If this isn't proof of unchecked hypergamy, I don't know what isn't

[SW15]

i have yet to hear a good definition of an alpha male

An alpha male is a male who is dominant, assertive, has a strong frame in sexual interactions, has strong social skills, and is able to attract many women. It is usually a man with above average looks (good physique).

 

[Manure Spherian]

alpha male

I think the term is goofy, but consider it synonymous with high-status male.

 

[zekko]

Right. A small minority of men are.

Statistically, only a small minority of men can afford to.

 

[zekko]

An alpha male is a male who is dominant, assertive, has a strong frame in sexual interactions, has strong social skills, and is able to attract many women. It is usually a man with above average looks (good physique).

I'm with @Manure Spherian , I think the term is goofy. But you bring up an interesting point. I think it's entirely possible for a man to be an alpha male but not necessarily be attractive to women. Usually leaders of men attract women though, regardless of looks.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I'm with @Manure Spherian , I think the term is goofy. But you bring up an interesting point. I think it's entirely possible for a man to be an alpha male but not necessarily be attractive to women. Usually leaders of men attract women though, regardless of looks.

Yup. Politicians, even homely, brutal dictators, celebrities, executives, highly-skilled professionals, athletes, mafiosi, and so on who were or not gorgeous men have or had no shortage of women.

Positions of authority can help ordinary men too (eg, professor).

 

[CornbreadFed]

Yup. Politicians, even homely, brutal dictators, politicians, celebrities, executives, highly-skilled professionals, athletes, mafiosi, and so on who were or not gorgeous men have or had no shortage of women.

Positions of authority can help ordinary men too (eg, professor).

so is Joe Biden alpha?

 

[zekko]

so is Joe Biden alpha?

What's his body fat?

 

[Manure Spherian]

so is Joe Biden alpha?

For much of his life, yes!

Even Hitler was flooded with love letters from young women; it was quite obvious who the alpha male in Germany was despite his funny mustache, modest height, and ordinary looks. King Louis XIV had female admirers in his 70s when he had missing teeth.

Of course women lust for good looking men. They also do for status, rule breaking, and brutality.

 

[CornbreadFed]

What's his body fat?

the body fat of a greek god lol

An alpha male is a male who is dominant, assertive, has a strong frame in sexual interactions, has strong social skills, and is able to attract many women. It is usually a man with above average looks (good physique).

For much of his life, yes!

Even Hitler was flooded with love letters from young women; it was quite obvious who the alpha male in Germany was despite his funny mustache, modest height, and ordinary looks. King Louis XIV had female admirers in his 70s when he had missing teeth.

Of course women lust for good looking men. They also do for status, rule breaking, and brutality.

This is where the grey area comes in. Yes, I know both of these guys, but just gave them nicknames.

Brad is a 30-year-old downtown bartender with a lot of experience with women. He manages to pull the cool Hipster Jesus persona and has little trouble with women because of his experience and he is constantly around him. His social skills are strong because he is an experienced bartender lol. However, Brad is constantly broke, and I just had to lend him 50 dollars for food.

Brian is 30-year-old entrepreneur that runs 3 major grocery stores owned by his family. He lives in a 7-million-dollar house, drives a cyber truck, but has little free time in the day other than gym and minor hobbies. He does not have the best social skills with women because he has been in 1 monogamous relationship since college, and it ended not too long ago. As a result, he has been on the dating apps searching for women.

Despite the fact that Brian manages people and contributes a tremendously more GDP to the American economy than Brad, Brad is more of an alpha male than Brian because he fvcks more women than Brian. This is exactly why I don't like the Alpha/Beta male comparisons because they are RIDICULOUS!

 

[Manure Spherian]

the body fat of a greek god lol






This is where the grey area comes in. Yes, I know both of these guys, but just gave them nicknames.

Brad is a 30-year-old downtown bartender with a lot of experience with women. He manages to pull the cool Hipster Jesus persona and has little trouble with women because of his experience and he is constantly around him. His social skills are strong because he is an experienced bartender lol. However, Brad is constantly broke, and I just had to lend him 50 dollars for food.

Brian is 30-year-old entrepreneur that runs 3 major grocery stores owned by his family. He lives in a 7-million-dollar house, drives a cyber truck, but has little free time in the day other than gym and minor hobbies. He does not have the best social skills with women because he has been in 1 monogamous relationship since college, and it ended not too long ago. As a result, he has been on the dating apps searching for women.

Despite the fact that Brian manages people and contributes a tremendously more GDP to the American economy than Brad, Brad is more of an alpha male than Brian because he fvcks more women than Brian. This is exactly why I don't like the Alpha/Beta male comparisons because they are RIDICULOUS!

I don’t mind it and the ability to have sex with numerous women doesn’t make a man alpha or high status. The second is an example of a high status man who fumbles and isn’t the slickest with women.

There are also high status and good looking men who do not want to bed down many women (my uncle, my cousins’ husbands, and some friends being examples).

And as I said, women like looks and social acuity, as in your first example. I don’t dismiss that.

 

[CornbreadFed]

The second is an example of a high status man who fumbles and isn’t the slickest with women.

it’s pretty common actually. Most men do not have the free time or jobs/hobbies that give them opportunities with women, so they struggle on the apps. Right now, if I wanted to put myself with the most women at possible I would become a bartender/ service worker or work in entertainment. However, I have a career and other stuff on my plate so that’s not possible at all.

 

[zekko]

so is Joe Biden alpha?

Well, he did say he threatened Corn Pop with that bicycle chain. And Corn Pop was a bad dude.

 

[zekko]

I don’t mind it and the ability to have sex with numerous women doesn’t make a man alpha or high status. The second is an example of a high status man who fumbles and isn’t the slickest with women.

There are also high status and good looking men who do not want to bed down many women (my uncle, my cousins’ husbands, and some friends being examples).

I've always considered the alpha/beta labels to be mostly useful for teaching. Real humans are too complicated to fit into such little boxes.

But I'd add you don't have to be jacked to be an alpha male either. Mick Jagger probably wore a woman's size 2, but I bet he's been laid more times than anyone here. And that's only counting the women.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Mick Jagger probably wore a woman's size 2, but I bet he's been laid more times than anyone here.

Iggy Pop too.

 

[jhonny9546]

An alpha male is a male who is dominant, assertive, has a strong frame in sexual interactions, has strong social skills, and is able to attract many women. It is usually a man with above average looks (good physique).

How do you consider to have "frame": closed or open mindend?

I mean I can see many "closed" minded guys, with their attitude to not let you change their ideas, even if they're wrong about something obvious, to still be considered "alpha" with frame.

While an open minded guy, intelligent, could be seen as weak, just because it's open minded or have a growth mindset.

This is important, what's your take on this?

 

[SW15]

what's your take on this?

Closed mindedness vs. open mindedness is not that important in seduction.

An open minded guy might be able to give some women slightly more "feels" and an "emotional high", but I doubt it's that important.

These are personality traits. Personality is far less important than looks and even money.

 

[zekko]

Iggy Pop too.

I'm certainly no expert, and I don't mean to speak ill of anyone, but that is my idea of an ugly man.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Closed mindedness vs. open mindedness is not that important in seduction.

An open minded guy might be able to give some women slightly more "feels" and an "emotional high", but I doubt it's that important.

These are personality traits. Personality is far less important than looks and even money.

I see looks and money as offense and Personality as defense. Yes, you can rely on looks and money alone, but you will deal pretty shvtty behavior from women because you do not bring any soul or spark to the relationship. Offense will get you in the door, but defense is what is going to get your dvck consistently sucked, feminine behavior instead of masculine behavior, and etc. Offense is what everyone wants to talk about because it brings upfront excitement to people. However, defense is what separates the top winners from the rest. The Kansas City Chiefs, Texas Longhorns, Georgia Bulldogs, Saban's Alabama teams, and Ohio State Buckeyes all have elite level defenses, but you only hear about their offenses.

 

[Gamisch]

are you really going to call a 8/10 lawyer with 10%bf a beta though? I’m glad you aren’t but the majority of men aren’t just messing around but making sweet love to 4s and 5s.

??

What does occupation and bodyfat has to do with whether a man is alpha or not?

And talking bout jobs yeah, as long as the oldest profession on planet earth is alive and kicking men will go for the cheaper option ( which is dealing with a 4/5 before paying for a 6/7 or higher).

the body fat of a greek god lol













This is where the grey area comes in. Yes, I know both of these guys, but just gave them nicknames.



Brad is a 30-year-old downtown bartender with a lot of experience with women. He manages to pull the cool Hipster Jesus persona and has little trouble with women because of his experience and he is constantly around him. His social skills are strong because he is an experienced bartender lol. However, Brad is constantly broke, and I just had to lend him 50 dollars for food.



Brian is 30-year-old entrepreneur that runs 3 major grocery stores owned by his family. He lives in a 7-million-dollar house, drives a cyber truck, but has little free time in the day other than gym and minor hobbies. He does not have the best social skills with women because he has been in 1 monogamous relationship since college, and it ended not too long ago. As a result, he has been on the dating apps searching for women.



Despite the fact that Brian manages people and contributes a tremendously more GDP to the American economy than Brad, Brad is more of an alpha male than Brian because he fvcks more women than Brian. This is exactly why I don't like the Alpha/Beta male comparisons because they are RIDICULOUS!

Well, Brad will very soon hit the wall and when he does he will have nothing to show for expect tons of fun memories that fade day by day into nothingness. Seem it happen over and over again.



Brian on the other hand will be set and ready to go if he manages to adjust his mindset or gets lucky once. And his chances of being lucky are much bigger than Brad's.



I rather be Brian in this case.

 

[CornbreadFed]

??

What does occupation ad bodyfat has to do with whether a man is alpha or not?

And talking bout jobs yeah, as long as the oldest profession on planet earth is alive and kicking men will go for the cheaper option ( which is dealing with a 4/5 before paying for a 6/7 ir higher).

Because bodyfat and occupation can be attributed to work ethic & discipline while banging as many sloots as possible is something Ray Ray and Pookie do. Accomplished men are not wasting much time chasing after low hanging fruit 304s while women are coming to them instead. Ray Ray and Pookie might have high lay counts, but they wasted their entire lives on easy tail. Is that really alpha or is that just ridiculous? Again, if I wanted to triple my laycount RIGHT NOW, I would quit my six figure job, tell my LTR GF to kiss my @$$, tell my side business clients to kick rocks and go be a bartender/server in some young person area and party and do drugs all day. How is that alpha?!?