If this isn't proof of unchecked hypergamy, I don't know what isn't

[Gamisch]

Because bodyfat and occupation can be attributed to work ethic & discipline while banging as many sloots as possible is something Ray Ray and Pookie do. Accomplished men are not wasting much time chasing after low hanging fruit 304s while women are coming to them instead. Ray Ray and Pookie might have high lay counts, but they wasted their entire lives on easy tail. Is that really alpha or is that just ridiculous? Again, if I wanted to triple my laycount RIGHT NOW, I would quit my six figure job, tell my LTR GF to kiss my @$$, tell my side business clients to kick rocks and go be a bartender/server in some young person area and party and do drugs all day. How is that alpha?!?

Kinda contradictory to what you said numerous time in this thread. You said that plenty of Chad Tyrone lites are going for 4's and 5's. Imo a Chad Lite is akin to a top-tier guy from a societal female point of view, where looks and feelz can easily rival status

Bodyfat might show discipline, but occupation is oftentimes a result of upbringing and opportunities. It's really very "USA like" to link these things to one another.

If anything I'd say that a lawyer is the type of man who thrives and ripes later in life and if he's lucky he makes the transition from a geek to a more stand-up type of guy. And then they might still lack raw experiences with women.

By the way I would appreciate it if you will respond to my thread about black men killing it lately https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...-the-balloon-shows.283565/page-2#post-3147452

 

[zekko]

Bodyfat might show discipline, but occupation is oftentimes a result of upbringing and opportunities. It's really very "USA like" to link these things to one another.

And occupation is very often a result of hard work and discipline. I don't understand the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) bias on this forum against guys becoming successful. IMO, becoming successful is far, far more important in life than how many women you can bed, and will reap you far more benefits. And it isn't even close.

 

[Gamisch]

And occupation is very often a result of hard work and discipline. I don't understand the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) bias on this forum against guys becoming successful. IMO, becoming successful is far, far more important in life than how many women you can bed, and will reap you far more benefits. And it isn't even close.

I am all for men being successful!

But I'm also realistic. I have zero bias against a guy being successful, why would I? This is unnecessary and too easy.

I just point out that being a lawyer does not mean a man is alpha , how can that even be argued against? There are career criminals that are considered alpha BY WOMEN as well. Please explain how that makes sense. Gotta pick one.

A lawyer might EASILY be a beta man because being alpha or beta is a mindset rather than an occupation.

Don't know if you know, but there's a BIG portion of "successful " men who have zero clue how to get or keep a woman. I know tons of them IRL.

 

[Gamisch]

And occupation is very often a result of hard work and discipline. I don't understand the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) bias on this forum against guys becoming successful. IMO, becoming successful is far, far more important in life than how many women you can bed, and will reap you far more benefits. And it isn't even close.

I don't understand the bullcrap about saying something just to say it, just to get some likes because it sounds cool. I know you are pretty level headed and quite intelligent so don't take it too personal by the way.

You got examples of men being against men being successful? Do you have examples of me saying men shouldn't be successful? I'll wait..

If I would be God I would say women SHOULD view lawyers and any hard worker as top tier men. But they don't. They might view a career criminal as equally if not more alpha. Can't complete this equation without..ya know..women's preferences.

 

[zekko]

I just point out that being a lawyer does not mean a man is alpha , how can that even be argued against? There are career criminals that are considered alpha BY WOMEN as well. Please explain how that makes sense. Gotta pick one.

Obviously being a lawyer doesn't make you an alpha. But it seems like every time somebody brings up an example of some guy who has some wealth, or a successful position, someone makes it a point to say that he can still be a beta. That is true, but if someone is flipping burgers at a fast food restaurant, you don't see people say "Well, that doesn't mean he's an alpha". Nothing against flipping burgers, by the way, that is honorable work as far as I'm concerned, although it is an entry level job.

Why should I care if some women like career criminals? Does that mean I'm going to want to become a career criminal, because some skanks like them? Women aren't that important, you have to be true to yourself first. By the way, I'm not trying to rip on you,

 

[CornbreadFed]

Kinda contradictory to what you said numerous time in this thread. You said that plenty of Chad Tyrone lites are going for 4's and 5's. Imo a Chad Lite is akin to a top-tier guy from a societal female point of view, where looks and feelz can easily rival status

I consider myself a Chad/Tyrone lite but we are not in the same category as real Chads and Tyrones. Women would rather choose an actual Chad or go for a lower guy in looks that is willing to compensate them with money, power, and etc over someone like me. As a result, it is common to see people like me dating 4s and 5s because we are the closest thing to a Chad that these women can pull long term. Too many men are in these microclimates and do not understand how competitive the real world is for most men. Once you enter the real world, you are competing against generous desperate beta males, Mr. Fun Brads, Professional Athletes, High Accolade professional men like doctors/lawyers, weekend warrior corporate Chads, and etc.

Bodyfat might show discipline, but occupation is oftentimes a result of upbringing and opportunities. It's really very "USA like" to link these things to one another.

Not really, the successful people I know right now we're not partying every weekend and stuck to monogamous relationships in college. Even the Chads that had women thirsting for them remained tamed in that department. I partied and had sex with a lot of women and that resulted in me being in a dead-end corporate job making 55k year nearing the age of 30. Meanwhile, my friends that skipped weekends to be at the library and lost their twenties in medical school were matching in residencies, graduating Law school, seeing successes in their businesses, and etc. That was the biggest kick in the face to my ego that I had ever experienced in my life. I am sure there are some exceptions to the rule, but this is how life works for most people. Fortunately, I woke up and started pursuing better avenues in life, but I am behind my peers right now for sure. My friends that partied every weekend and chased fast tail are not doing so great right now. The bartender I described has the highest lay count out of every guy I know, and I just sent him 50 dollars for food because he could barely make rent this month lol.

 

[Gamisch]

Obviously being a lawyer doesn't make you an alpha. But it seems like every time somebody brings up an example of some guy who has some wealth, or a successful position, someone makes it a point to say that he can still be a beta. That is true, but if someone is flipping burgers at a fast food restaurant, you don't see people say "Well, that doesn't mean he's an alpha". Nothing against flipping burgers, by the way, that is honorable work as far as I'm concerned, although it is an entry level job.

Why should I care if some women like career criminals? Does that mean I'm going to want to become a career criminal, because some skanks like them? Women aren't that important, you have to be true to yourself first. By the way, I'm not trying to rip on you,

No I know you ain't ripping on me no biggie.

I just want to point out that women are important in these matter. E.g I know way too many men who DO care about being alpha ( it's basically the foundation of my culture entirely). These men rather take the easy route ( career criminal) than the hard way( study and work hard for years). Because the outcome is the same; women will respond "positively " and open their legs.

I feel like to many of us keep using phrases like "just be you" stay true to yourself " women's opinion shouldn't matter" but yo..it's a SEDUCTION forum. At very least a man should be able to know his opponent like the back.of his hand.

If it was up to me women would operate differently, but unfortunately they don't. They give men several options to "become alpha" the honest and the crooked way. The outcome.remains the same and often they might even switch between these types effortlessly.

I didn't made the rules I just point them out.

 

[Gamisch]

I consider myself a Chad/Tyrone lite but we are not in the same category as real Chads and Tyrones. Women would rather choose an actual Chad or go for a lower guy in looks that is willing to compensate them with money, power, and etc over someone like me. As a result, it is common to see people like me dating 4s and 5s because we are the closest thing to a Chad that these women can pull long term. Too many men are in these microclimates and do not understand how competitive the real world is for most men. Once you enter the real world, you are competing against generous desperate beta males, Mr. Fun Brads, Professional Athletes, High Accolade professional men like doctors/lawyers, weekend warrior corporate Chads, and etc.



Not really, the successful people I know right now we're not partying every weekend and stuck to monogamous relationships in college. Even the Chads that had women thirsting for them remained tamed in that department. I partied and had sex with a lot of women and that resulted in me being in a dead-end corporate job making 55k year nearing the age of 30. Meanwhile, my friends that skipped weekends to be at the library and lost their twenties in medical school were matching in residencies, graduating Law school, seeing successes in their businesses, and etc. That was the biggest kick in the face to my ego that I had ever experienced in my life. I am sure there are some exceptions to the rule, but this is how life works for most people. Fortunately, I woke up and started pursuing better avenues in life, but I am behind my peers right now for sure. My friends that partied every weekend and chased fast tail are not doing so great right now. The bartender I described has the highest lay count out of every guy I know, and I just sent him 50 dollars for food because he could barely make rent this month lol.

First paragraph: yeah I kinda dig that explanation. Despair/ dryspell can make a Chad Lite lower.his standards significantly. I guess I also fit into that category right now so I 100% know what you mean. 9/10 you have to settle for a woman who shouldn't qualify, but realism takes over after a while.

Second part: I already said I'd rather be Brian because I was Brad for most of my life. Perhaps I need to adjust my view on my initial comment tbh. We keep learning.

 

[zekko]

I feel like to many of us keep using phrases like "just be you" stay true to yourself " women's opinion shouldn't matter" but yo..it's a SEDUCTION forum. At very least a man should be able to know his opponent like the back.of his hand.

Oh, I'm a huge proponent of "be yourself". I know a lot of manosphere guys like to rip on that concept, but to me that doesn't mean if you're a simp, then be a simp. To me it means be the best version of yourself, and work to improve yourself - you're a man, you have the tools to be masculine so do it. Embrace your strengths and work on your weaknesses. Your basic values and personality shouldn't change, unless you have reason to re-evaluate them.

 

[jhonny9546]

I see looks and money as offense and Personality as defense. Yes, you can rely on looks and money alone, but you will deal pretty shvtty behavior from women because you do not bring any soul or spark to the relationship. Offense will get you in the door, but defense is what is going to get your dvck consistently sucked, feminine behavior instead of masculine behavior, and etc. Offense is what everyone wants to talk about because it brings upfront excitement to people. However, defense is what separates the top winners from the rest. The Kansas City Chiefs, Texas Longhorns, Georgia Bulldogs, Saban's Alabama teams, and Ohio State Buckeyes all have elite level defenses, but you only hear about their offenses.

I think You comment it's being undervalued.
Very good points Mate!
Other than "imprinting", this is what explain a beautiful woman staying with an ugly men, but better.

Please say more about that!

becoming successful is far, far more important in life than how many women you can bed, and will reap you far more benefits. And it isn't even close.

I'd vote for both.
In your young years, many women, experiences friends.

After your 30's, go focus on your goals now.

Many people like me, regret not being "successfull" in their 20's in that social aspect, and now we must focus on our more "serious" goals. We didn't had a fun part yet.

 

[jhonny9546]

becoming successful is far, far more important in life than how many women you can bed, and will reap you far more benefits. And it isn't even close.

I'd vote for both.
In your young years, many women, experiences friends.

After your 30's, go focus on your goals now.

Many people like me, regret not being "successfull" in their 20's in that social aspect, and now we must focus on our more "serious" goals. We didn't had a fun part yet.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I just point out that being a lawyer does not mean a man is alpha , how can that even be argued against? There are career criminals that are considered alpha BY WOMEN as well. Please explain how that makes sense. Gotta pick one

One doesn’t have to be picked. BOTH are high status. John Gotti was high status. Johnnie Cochran was high status.