I wipe my ass with Alpha-Male propaganda

[Jester]

I'm not a pick up artist.

I'm not a player.

I'm not even a candle-stick maker.

But I do know the difference between truth and fiction, and that is more important than anything else. So what is the going philosophy these days? Alpha male, speed seduction, or bust?

Seems narrow minded to me. Wouldnt you agree?


Now im not much of a writer, or much of a talker for that matter, but lets see if i can communicate my point here.

A lot of people like to think that they have no choice in their life. If theyre going nowhere doing nothing, they like to feel that it isnt their fault. Oh no, not anything they did, just got dealt a bad hand right? Like they have no control over what happens to them. Just like someone doing well for himself selectively ignores those save a child ads on tv, or instead of helping someone in need they just keep on their way, like nothing had happened. As if some idiot on The Price is Right determines everyones fate by spinning that oversized wheel and there isnt a damned thing anyone can do about it.

Well tough for them because they live in a fantasy dream land of their own creation. We may be dealt hands in life, but those hands can improve by our actions. It is time for everyone to have one loud wake-up call. There is a fundamental question you must answer in this world. Whether you know it or not, you have answered this question already, but your answer does not have to be finite. Are you going to leave this world a better place than you entered it?

If everyone truthfully answered yes to this question, what a glorious place this would be. Unfortunately, there are only few to stick to this ideal. Because *gasp* you might not be able to be selfish anymore if you answer yes!

So most of you were once nice guys right? BULL SH!T. you werent ****ing nice you were just pussies. So now youre clinging to this "be the alpha male" BULLSH1T like its your ****ing religious doctrine. So you've transformed yourself right? You dont take any sh1t from anyone right? Looking out for number 1 yeah? But YOURE STILL A P U S S Y the only difference is, that now youre a mean p u s s y.

...and why would anyone want to be a mean *****? A lot of bark without the bite. Thats all these "alpha-males" are.

What you should be striving to be, is a MAN. A REAL MAN, not an "alpha-male", there is a world of difference between the two.

A real man stands up for what he believes in, not just when it is affecting him, BUT ANYONE.

A real man does not do what he feels like doing, he does what is right.

hmm...

What is right?

Simple words arent they? Awe inspring if you ask me.

Unless youre completely mad, everyone knows the difference between right and wrong. It is a shame so many people choose the latter, but no matter....


The right thing is my thing. Is it yours?

 

[Brian20o2]

Yay!
A good post adressing an overlooked point.
Simply put: Be a man.

 

[tmpgstx]

Good post - being a man is accomplishing and conquering his problems. Looking at problems as challenges that will become sweet victories.

Being a man is fearing nothing or no other man and having much self-respect. Respecting others as they respect him. Not jumping to conclusions nor being foolish or following fools.

Being a man is living and dieing by the sword, yet enjoying life and having fun to becoming always more successful.

 

[Kidd]

If someone is naturally a leader through their actions, it is not a bad thing.

However it's pathetic how guys try to control every situation trying to be "alpha".

 

[Fluke]

A lot of people like to think that they have no choice in their life. If theyre going nowhere doing nothing, they like to feel that it isnt their fault. Oh no, not anything they did, just got dealt a bad hand right? Like they have no control over what happens to them

I agree that everyone determines their own lot in life, and you can't sit around hoping good things just 'happen' to you. You have to try your hardest to succeed.

However, I do not feel like I have ANY moral obligation to help anyone else. If I choose to do so for whatever reason, that is up to me. Just as I made my own way in life, it is up to them to do the same. I might sound unfeeling but I am tired of the beggars of this world always expecting someone to bail them out rather than themselves.

For instance this woman last night said, "I hope you crash and burn and go to hell, have a nice day." After I would'nt buy into her bull**** story and give her cab money and I wasnt rude to her either. Screw these people, I ran out of gas once and I ****ing walked for three hours to my house. I REFUSE to call anyone to bail me out of a situation I got myself into.

I do not consider it selfish to demand the same of someone else, their choices put them into that situation. Giving some kind of value to these kinds of people, whether it be money or simply your time, for nothing in return is simply rewarding failure.

 

[Don Juan Prototype]

Good post. I do indeed have some work to do when it involves doing what is right rather than what is right for only myself.

 

[Jamo]

i disagree

Fluke that is where you are wrong. I truly believe that if you have been fortunate in life you must help those who have been less fortunate. The world would be a better place. And I plan to uphold myself to that. I will help myself first, and if I am successful I will help others who have not been so fortunate.

Imagine you lose your job or something because your company went bankrupt or whatever, and have to sell your house and home, lose your family? Is that really your fault? Most probably not. If your dying of some wierd disease, and you are'nt rich enough to pay for the medical expenses? I think it is then when people really learn a lesson. Until then they are pretty much like those selfish b1tches that they date - and I hate to say that US culture is quite like this.

Sorry if this is gonna sound harsh, but dude with your attitude no wonder the female b1tch culture is so prevalent in the States. Heck if I was a woman and had to deal with your type (and there are quite a few) Id become a sordid b1tch too.

 

[Egoist]

Re: i disagree

Originally posted by Jamo
Fluke that is where you are wrong. I truly believe that if you have been fortunate in life you must help those who have been less fortunate. The world would be a better place. And I plan to uphold myself to that. I will help myself first, and if I am successful I will help others who have not been so fortunate.

Imagine you lose your job or something because your company went bankrupt or whatever, and have to sell your house and home, lose your family? Is that really your fault? Most probably not. If your dying of some wierd disease, and you are'nt rich enough to pay for the medical expenses? I think it is then when people really learn a lesson. Until then they are pretty much like those selfish b1tches that they date - and I hate to say that US culture is quite like this.

Sorry if this is gonna sound harsh, but dude with your attitude no wonder the female b1tch culture is so prevalent in the States. Heck if I was a woman and had to deal with your type (and there are quite a few) Id become a sordid b1tch too.

:crackup:

you are absolutely clueless.


I swear--by my life and my love of it--that I will never live for the
sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
--John Galt's Oath from Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged"

 

[Egoist]

Originally posted by Fluke
I agree that everyone determines their own lot in life, and you can't sit around hoping good things just 'happen' to you. You have to try your hardest to succeed.

However, I do not feel like I have ANY moral obligation to help anyone else. If I choose to do so for whatever reason, that is up to me. Just as I made my own way in life, it is up to them to do the same. I might sound unfeeling but I am tired of the beggars of this world always expecting someone to bail them out rather than themselves.

For instance this woman last night said, "I hope you crash and burn and go to hell, have a nice day." After I would'nt buy into her bull**** story and give her cab money and I wasnt rude to her either. Screw these people, I ran out of gas once and I ****ing walked for three hours to my house. I REFUSE to call anyone to bail me out of a situation I got myself into.

I do not consider it selfish to demand the same of someone else, their choices put them into that situation. Giving some kind of value to these kinds of people, whether it be money or simply your time, for nothing in return is simply rewarding failure.

good man. i'm right there with you.

 

[Fluke]

Jamo- It might not be my fault but I dont expect anyone to help me get out of the situation. I will help people that are trying to help themselves, I just dont give handouts. Mostly this doesnt even have to do with material belongings, if my neighbors house burned down Id help.

A lot of it has to do with things like if some girl is still trying to complain to me about her ******* boyfriend that beats her, im not gonna listen. My time is more important than that and the girl is obviously not helping herself.

I see nothing wrong with you choosing to help other people that is your choice. I just dont think its right if that person does not appreciate what is being given to them. Which they wont if they aren't trying to help themselves.

Sorry if this is gonna sound harsh, but dude with your attitude no wonder the female b1tch culture is so prevalent in the States. Heck if I was a woman and had to deal with your type (and there are quite a few) Id become a sordid b1tch too.

While I defintely see how what I said would be considered cold by a lot of people. My philosophies do not make me treat a woman like ****. I treat everyone with respect just like I expect that from other people. If you disrespect me you dont hear from me anymore its as simple as that.

 

[Boner da Stoner]

Some people raised from childhood to follow certain beliefs are forced into the mindset and it is anchored completely into their egos ids and superegos until somebody takes the time to hammer it out of them... It is respectful to yourself to do more with you life and carry on as best you can, it is disrespectful to that other person if you do not...

I take the time to offer my two cents where I see fit and it will help me at the same time by iterating my beliefs to myself if others listen or not, because giving something valuable for free is never a wortwhile endeavour, for either party

Same goes with women, You don't give them something of yours for their admiration, you give them yourself.

As for the arguments at hand... here's what I "think" is right

The bum on the street, you are but one man, and one dollar may save a life. With the dollar many things can be done, but more often than not a bum will live to the word and react as such by sitting on his ass and doing nothing. As for the cab money lady, rude is in the beholdrs eyes not yours, and depending on the situation you do not have an obligation to help, but you can be in a generous mood and lend a helping hand, but remember, you cannot help everybody with your one hand.

The Alpha-Male argument to me is a great mind-set it sets you apart from others in that you do what needs to be done, not trying to impress everybody with your prowess, but doing it because it should be done... Same as your argument... But what is right is what you believe, some are raised to believe that committing sucide for your cultures rights is honourable(suicide bomber) and thats when you need to be an alpha-male and do for yourself what you know is right for your well-being, in mind body, and spirit.

 

[medaille]

I agree with Boner da Stoner.

Fluke,

While I agree with your statement that everyone determines their own lot in life, that is only partially true. No one creates their own lot entirely on their own. We are all dependent on others for our success. Your statement is true in the sense that you as an individual must provide the effort and will power necessary for change and no one else should be obligated to do that for you. With that said your success is entirely dependent on other peoples actions. Without this website or others like it or other people helping you out in real life, it would be almost impossible to stumble upon the solution yourself. Certainly, even if you did stumble upon the answer yourself, you would still take longer than if you would by having a roadmap to follow and thus would still only develop into a portion of the person that you are capable of becoming with other peoples guidance and wisdom to assist you.

Most people on this planet are walking around completely blind like little children. The remaining few are only partially blind. If you weren't blind, you would be the all-knowing God. Without other peoples good grace, you would only be a shadow of who you are now, and if you had more peoples good grace you'd be a much more capable person than you are now. We are all limited by how much time we have on this earth and there is not enough time to learn everything.

If you are aware of the graciousness that people have shown that has allowed you to develop to where you are now, than you would feel ashamed to withhold that opportunity from other people.

No one is arguing that the strong should do the work for the weak, but the strong have to show the weak how they are weak so that they have the opportunity to become stronger. This is completely seperated from protecting yourself from being taken advantage of. In those situations where its obvious that they are trying to get something by exploiting it from you, I feel it is best to try to point out their error to them if possible. They need to know that their bullsh!t ways are hindering others from developing by preventing that money from helping others, but in the same sense without giving them the opportunity to see where their error lies, your action was no better than their's was because it was equally as effective in preventing them from growing into a better person.

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by Jester


Unless youre completely mad, everyone knows the difference between right and wrong. It is a shame so many people choose the latter, but no matter....

And there's the major fallacy in your (scattered) argument. False dillemma. Surely everyone who's SANE must agree with you about what's right and wrong! It's common sense!

 

[Skydiver43127]

A real man does not do what he feels like doing, he does what is right.

A real man wants to do the right thing, does what he wants to do, and believes what he has done is right.

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by Skydiver43127
A real man wants to do the right thing, does what he wants to do, and believes what he has done is right.

Why hello thar, Hitler.

 

[Skydiver43127]

Why hello thar, Hitler.

Know any good restraunts in Poland?

 

[thederekeffect1]

Originally posted by Jester

So most of you were once nice guys right? BULL SH!T.

Great post. But I don't disagree here. Obviously, I can't speak for the majority of the men, but I honestly was a nice guy. Of course, this site wasn't my bible anyway. In fact, I'm only here because I agree with a lot of the articles and I like to talk to other men who have the same interest in seduction as I do.

But back on subject. I honestly was a nice guy. The few girlfriends I did have, I never cheated on. I never lied to them. When it came to sex, I went down on her more than she went down on me. I put my own pleasure aside to give her pleasure. She took advantage of that. I was the only man that she's ever been with that didn't ask for a ******* in return. I did it to be nice. Yeah, sure. I spent money on her. Sometimes because she didn't have the money. Sometimes because I thought it was a nice thing to do. Not because I was a p*ssy. Because I thought it was a nice thing to do. I never put them down, called them names, made fun of a physical feature, etc. I treated them with respect. Why? Because it's a NICE thing to do. When she was down, I was kind enough to pat her on the back and tell her everything was going to be better. "That guy is just a jerk".

I treated them like I wanted to be treated...
They took advantage of this...
End of story.
I claimed to be a nice guy. I was.

 

[Jester]

Re: Re: I wipe my ass with Alpha-Male propaganda

Originally posted by Duke
And there's the major fallacy in your (scattered) argument. False dillemma. Surely everyone who's SANE must agree with you about what's right and wrong! It's common sense!

whats your point? If its common sense, then why did you say its a "fallacy". roflmao fallacy

Originally posted by thederekeffect1
When she was down, I was kind enough to pat her on the back and tell her everything was going to be better. "That guy is just a jerk".

I treated them like I wanted to be treated...
They took advantage of this...
End of story.
I claimed to be a nice guy. I was.

Are you claiming to be altruistic? Giving and asking nothing in return? If you expected nothing in return, then you wouldnt have minded that they didnt return it.

If you weren't being altruistic, then you would expect something in return. SEX, LOVE. You would then be upset if you didnt get those things.

So how nice were you really?

 

[Duke]

Something funny about your logic fallacies?

Right and wrong are NOT objective or set in stone. Saying that a man is a person who does what is "right" sounds great but isn't concrete enough to mean anything. And just because a person defines right and wrong differently than you does not make that person insane.

Also, there is nothing wrong with being selfish. Selfishness leads to personal fulfillment. Until I have kids, I am not responsible for making anyone happy but myself. The end. If it makes me happy to make others happy, so be it.

I do agree, however, with the part of your post saying that we should make the best out of the cards we've been dealt. Your post would have been great without the superfluous moral agenda.

 

[Jester]

Well im a superfluous dude mr. duke.

Lets see if I can crack that ignorant republican bubble of yours.

If youre not for helping people...GET THE F U C K OFF OF SOSUAVE.


You dont deserve to be here, you dont belong here, get out.


peace.