I think I might have to get me one of these stripper chicks

[Juando]

I don't know if you can draw any conclusions from this but here's my story:

After my breakup w/my ex, my friend's mantra was "you gotta go to a strip club, man". And I would say, why would I want to do that, I've never been interested, not interested now.

Well, after months of badgering me I finally broke down and we went.

I guess it was beginner's luck but my friend could not believe what happened:

I had the best time of my life. First a long chat with the cute manager.
Then the manager brings over a sexy blonde and nice convo, she goes back to dance. Then she brings a brunette, HOT. Italian-Brazilian. I talked to her for about 20 minutes total, made a date w/her and refused a lap dance, for obvious reasons, but got a great lap dance from the blonde.

The date: she showed up and she paid for everything. Had a great time.
Beautiful, lovely girl. Smart, a little spacey.

Then after that it got weird, flakey, unvailable, behavior, so I moved on.

A couple of months passed and she texts me that she has not heard from me,
what's up? So I called her and now I'm contemplating whether to go another round.

I dunno. It's all new to me but I'm not putting my eggs in her basket, but it is tempting.

A lot of what the guys here say rings true, but I also feel like she's intrigued with me, likes me. But I'm not sure how to play it other than to make her
work for it and stay detatched.

 

[ketostix]

Well I totaly disagree with edger's last post. Anyway. Str8up what happened with the middle eastern chick tonight?

 

[STR8UP]

Str8up, get over all this brainless nonsense "status" crap of yours. Ready for a reality check? You, are no different from the average minimum wage guy.

Man, now I know you're off your rocker. Like, seriously delusional.

Regardless of what YOU think or what any one person thinks, status is in the collective perception of a specific group. No different than an alpha male. A person with status in one town or state or country might have zero status somewhere else in the world. Same with an alpha male. Most men have the potential to be alpha in the context of a certain group, if only among a group of extremely low status betas.

Quite frankly, your friend is a complete moron to pedastalize you because of what he perceives as your stupid little "status" thing. Their is no such thing as status my friend, where people are above others in this world..if you believe that, then you've got the wrong idea guy.

No, he is not a moron. He is smart. He uses my status to boost his own. No doubt the guy is gonna go places one day. He has that go getter personality and he knows how to play the "people" game.

Despite the fact that YOU personally refuse to acknowledge something doesn't mean that the rest of the world thinks the same way.

Sorry, I think you add a lot to the board, but sometimes your posts come off as "hating" when it comes to subjects like this, which would lead me to believe that you personally do not believe that you can achieve certain things in life.

If you gotta rely on "status" to make you feel secure in life, then you've got some real problems..not to mention that it's also highly AFCish.

The is a HUGE difference between relying on status and using it to your benefit.

Your constant idealization and failure to recognize the ways of the world is only hurting you my friend.

 

[STR8UP]

A lot of what the guys here say rings true, but I also feel like she's intrigued with me, likes me. But I'm not sure how to play it other than to make her work for it and stay detatched.

Strippers are women too, albeit a different "species".

If she's buying I would go have a good time. Fukk it.

 

[edger]

Man, now I know you're off your rocker. Like, seriously delusional.

Regardless of what YOU think or what any one person thinks, status is in the collective perception of a specific group. No different than an alpha male. A person with status in one town or state or country might have zero status somewhere else in the world. Same with an alpha male. Most men have the potential to be alpha in the context of a certain group, if only among a group of extremely low status betas.



No, he is not a moron. He is smart. He uses my status to boost his own. No doubt the guy is gonna go places one day. He has that go getter personality and he knows how to play the "people" game.

Despite the fact that YOU personally refuse to acknowledge something doesn't mean that the rest of the world thinks the same way.

Sorry, I think you add a lot to the board, but sometimes your posts come off as "hating" when it comes to subjects like this, which would lead me to believe that you personally do not believe that you can achieve certain things in life.



The is a HUGE difference between relying on status and using it to your benefit.

Your constant idealization and failure to recognize the ways of the world is only hurting you my friend.

So I'm "off my rocker" and "seriously delusional" because I think all people are equal, and one person isn't above the other? Wow bro, how 'bout I say you're off your rocker and seriously delusional for even thinking thinking that. The difference between me and you Str8up, is that I'm a humanist; a person that see's everyone the same. Of course, there are different levels that people are on financially, like low income, middle income, and high income people, but I don't view them as any higher or lower than me as people. This is my point. But I guess you just can't understand that, it goes over your head.

Of course some of my posts might come off as "hating", why shouldn't I speak out against that which is wrong? Like I always say in life, "there's a right way, and a wrong way". You choose your own path.

So you think I don't believe I can achieve certain things in life. I've acheived everything so far that I've wanted to achieve. I finished 4 yrs of school, have a job with a good income, and have just started a business in the music industry. The only thing I have not acheived yet, is being in an established touring band. But it happens. I'm not one of those musicians who lives in a fantasy world thinking, "I'm gonna get signed". I always pursue something thinking realistically, as in, "it might, or it might not happen". The odds of getting signed by a record label aren't in a musicians favor, for too many reasons to mention. That's why I have everything else backing me up.

I can care less about having a lot of money, yet another difference between me and you. Like I've said before, as long as I'm able to support myself, and stay above water, that's all I care about. Money is a lousy piece of paper, that's all it is. Those who make it the focal point of their life, are lost.

 

[eyedogg]

This one is going to get really good edger and str8up. I can't wait to hear some others opinions on this topic. Humanist vs....hmmmm what would I "label" str8up....hmmm..I will go with a "realist". He realizes that in this world of "sex, money, power, drugs". that STATUS (aka how you carry yourself, how confident you are amongst your peers, etc) DOES MATTER.

My 2 c's!

-E.D.

 

[edger]

This one is going to get really good edger and str8up. I can't wait to hear some others opinions on this topic. Humanist vs....hmmmm what would I "label" str8up....hmmm..I will go with a "realist". He realizes that in this world of "sex, money, power, drugs". that STATUS (aka how you carry yourself, how confident you are amongst your peers, etc) DOES MATTER.

My 2 c's!

-E.D.

Eyedog, you're missing my point; point being, "everyone is equal, nobody is better than the other" in this world. A person with a low income is no better than a person with a high income; and a person with a high income is no better than a person with a low income. Anyone who believes so, is deluding themselves into oblivion. Ya know, I can't believe we're even having a discussion like this...this is such an old age debate, I thought people were on the path of moving past this, especially on here.

 

[eyedogg]

edger - on a philisophical level I TOTALLY agree with you, as I TRULY believe in my HEART OF HEARTS that I AM NO BETTER then a super poor street living person in the ghetto's of Bangladesh, and vice-versa.

Again, i agree with you. HOWEVER, and unfortunately - this is difficult to apply in our phucked up society. Sticking as close to this "idea" and living your life within those values, all while feeding yourself and taking care of you and yours (career, work relationships, social life, women, etc) is the challenge as these things, forcibly, include STATUS levels and status symbols (the symbols piece, in my opinion is where things become - selfish and corrupt).

 

[aliasguy]

Eyedog, you're missing my point; point being, "everyone is equal, nobody is better than the other" in this world. A person with a low income is no better than a person with a high income; and a person with a high income is no better than a person with a low income. Anyone who believes so, is deluding themselves into oblivion. Ya know, I can't believe we're even having a discussion like this...this is such an old age debate, I thought people were on the path of moving past this, especially on here.

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"everyone is equal, nobody is better than the other"

Get REAL. I personally know MANY people who are better than me. And not because they are rich, or popular, or powerful, but because they are GOOD PEOPLE. Most or all of them are better than YOU, too.

Everybody ISN'T "equal." Do you include degenerate child molesters in with this? Are THEY equal? (and don't give me some cr*p about how they themselves might be "victims" in some way, I won't buy it.)

You're silly. Your attitude is head-in-the-clouds, feel-good B.S.

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[STR8UP]

So I'm "off my rocker" and "seriously delusional" because I think all people are equal, and one person isn't above the other? Wow bro, how 'bout I say you're off your rocker and seriously delusional for even thinking thinking that. The difference between me and you Str8up, is that I'm a humanist; a person that see's everyone the same. Of course, there are different levels that people are on financially, like low income, middle income, and high income people, but I don't view them as any higher or lower than me as people. This is my point. But I guess you just can't understand that, it goes over your head.

You ARE delusional, but you can't even see it cause you are so hung up on this "everyone is the same, everyone is equal, women don't desire a man who can provide, blah, blah".

Hell even ANIMALS (and not just primates) establish hierarchy's based upon certain criteria.

You would have us believe that all people are equal, but there is a pecking order. Like it or not, with every social group you interact with (yes, this even applies to YOU) everyone has a "place" that is defined by the collective definition of those within the group. Every person on this earth (again, yourself included) is involved in a game where people constantly move up and down the ladder, everyone jockeying for a higher position.

I'm not even going to continue because it is so blatantly obvious that you have your head in the clouds and there is nothing that I or any of the other half dozen people here can say to change your mind.

I can care less about having a lot of money, yet another difference between me and you. Like I've said before, as long as I'm able to support myself, and stay above water, that's all I care about. Money is a lousy piece of paper, that's all it is. Those who make it the focal point of their life, are lost.

It's easy to take the popular "money means nothing" stance, but it's all bullsh!t. But there are plenty of other sheep out there parroting the same things out of ignorance who will back you up on that, so at least you have company.

And I just caught something.

You said one of your goals was to be in an "established touring band".

Now why on earth would that be important to you if you weren't seeking some form of status or validation? If you were TRULY a person who could care less about "status", you would be just as content to play your music WITHOUT an audience.

Case closed.

 

[ketostix]

Some reading material for Edger (actually good stuff for anyone to read):http://www.primechoice.com/philosophy/shelp/sdattraction.htm

 

[edger]

you are so hung up on this "everyone is the same, everyone is equal, women don't desire a man who can provide, blah, blah".

No, I said women who DON'T want kids, don't desire a man to provide for her, and doesn't NEED a man to provide for her. The women with no desire to have kids, who go for chumps that will provide for them, do so because they want the easy way out, and don't wanna work. They wanna FREELOAD. Those women are no different than some of those people in the ghetto that don't wanna work. Any man who wishes to provide for this type of woman is the chumpiest of AFC CHUMPS.

You would have us believe that all people are equal, but there is a pecking order. Like it or not, with every social group you interact with (yes, this even applies to YOU) everyone has a "place" that is defined by the collective definition of those within the group. Every person on this earth (again, yourself included) is involved in a game where people constantly move up and down the ladder, everyone jockeying for a higher position.

Again, my point was that NOBODY'S better than another. Get it?

I'm not even going to continue because it is so blatantly obvious that you have your head in the clouds and there is nothing that I or any of the other half dozen people here can say to change your mind.

If my head's in the clouds, then yours has got to be in another galaxy. I agree, I'm done with this topic. Do what you wish in life. My regards.

It's easy to take the popular "money means nothing" stance, but it's all bullsh!t. But there are plenty of other sheep out there parroting the same things out of ignorance who will back you up on that, so at least you have company.

I'm part of a herd? Hahahaha. I'll just leave that statement with a laugh.

And I just caught something.

You said one of your goals was to be in an "established touring band".

Now why on earth would that be important to you if you weren't seeking some form of status or validation? If you were TRULY a person who could care less about "status", you would be just as content to play your music WITHOUT an audience.

Case closed.

You caught something? Where?

Dude, I have no problem with "statuses". The problem I have, is when those with a certain status think they're BETTER than those with another status. That's what my whole discussion with you is about.

Everyone wants a certain status; some want a musician's status, some want an artist's status, some want a chef's status, some want a carpenter's status, etc. etc. etc.

I could seriously care less about being in an established touring band. All I care about is the groupies. I'm in it for that..at least 95% in it for that..always have been..and any musician who say's otherwise, is full of sh*t. I remember Kid Rock saying the same in an interview once. Not that I like to quote Kid Rock. Nobody's really in it for the music, they're in it for the b*tches. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE the music I create and listen to. I love the way it sounds.

 

[edger]

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"everyone is equal, nobody is better than the other"

Get REAL. I personally know MANY people who are better than me. And not because they are rich, or popular, or powerful, but because they are GOOD PEOPLE. Most or all of them are better than YOU, too.

Everybody ISN'T "equal." Do you include degenerate child molesters in with this? Are THEY equal? (and don't give me some cr*p about how they themselves might be "victims" in some way, I won't buy it.)

You're silly. Your attitude is head-in-the-clouds, feel-good B.S.

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Aliasguy, you still haven't figured out how people apply certain words and what context they're used in as they pertain to particular discussions; in this case the word being "equal"? I was talking about people being "equal" in general. Put 2 and 2 together, do you really think I consider someone with bad characteristics as being equal?

 

[edger]

Some reading material for Edger (actually good stuff for anyone to read):http://www.primechoice.com/philosophy/shelp/sdattraction.htm

I read it, and?

 

[aliasguy]

Aliasguy, you still haven't figured out how people apply certain words and what context they're used in as they pertain to particular discussions; in this case the word being "equal"? I was talking about people being "equal" in general. Put 2 and 2 together, do you really think I consider someone with bad characteristics as being equal?

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People in "general" being "equal"?? What the hell do you MEAN?????

2 plus 2 "equal" 4. Write what you mean, edger........

You want words to only mean what YOU want them to mean? Good luck with THAT.

Speak to us in English, with comprehensible stuff, please.

Who is "equal," and how do you DEFINE "equal."?

YOU are the one who said "everyone is equal." Backing off, now???

EEEESH. You're creeping me out, man.

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[STR8UP]

Again, my point was that NOBODY'S better than another. Get it?

Yea, my mom told me the same thing when i was growing up.

You have this idea that I think that I am somehow "better" than other people? I don't know where you got that from, since I am one of the most down to earth people you will ever meet.

I have friends that live in the ghetto. Most people would look at them and label them as "white trash", but when it comes down to it, they would do just about anything for you if they consider you a friend.

Now if I thought I was "better" than other people, do you think i would associate with someone who has a 1984 Ford Mustang sitting on blocks in his front yard?

You are confusing and INDIVIDUALS perception of themself with the collective opinion of their peers. That's all status is. It has NOTHING to do with your OWN opinion of yourself.

You said "status doesn't exist". If you truly believe that, the conversation can't go any further. And the simple fact of the matter is, no matter how "equal" you believe people to be, it doesn't mean a damn thing because EVERYONE ELSE is living in the real world. It's like saying "sh!t tests don't exist" just because you think it's wrong for a woman to test a man. Right or wrong, you are living in a world where women test men. You can pretend it doesn't exist, fight to be "above all that", or do the practical thing that most people do and simply acknowledge it for what it is and learn to live with it.

This isn't something that goes against the laws of nature. You aren't going to effect any sort of change by crusading against it.

I could seriously care less about being in an established touring band. All I care about is the groupies. I'm in it for that..at least 95% in it for that..always have been..and any musician who say's otherwise, is full of sh*t. I remember Kid Rock saying the same in an interview once. Not that I like to quote Kid Rock. Nobody's really in it for the music, they're in it for the b*tches. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE the music I create and listen to. I love the way it sounds.

So you DO want status, yet you claim that it doesn't exist.

And a hundred hot women standing in line wanting to fukk you at the end of the night would change ANY man's perspective, I don't care who you are.

Who is the one thinking they are "better"? It's YOU, but you can't see it and it's easy to cloak it under the guise of "taking the high road".

You aren't any different than the rest of us dude.

 

[edger]

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People in "general" being "equal"?? What the hell do you MEAN?????

2 plus 2 "equal" 4. Write what you mean, edger........

You want words to only mean what YOU want them to mean? Good luck with THAT.

Speak to us in English, with comprehensible stuff, please.

Who is "equal," and how do you DEFINE "equal."?

You are the one who said "everyone is equal." Backing off, now??-

Backing off what??? What are you talking about?

You're creeping me out, man.

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You're creeping yourself out douchebag, and me for that matter. Stop overreacting and dramatizing what I say. I thought I explained myself fine. By "equal in general", I meant, just that, all the bad qualities of a person aside. I don't know how else to explain it to you.

And define the word equal? Please tell me you ain't serious. I explained it enough in this thread. You should've caught on. Not my problem you're an idiot.

 

[edger]

Yea, my mom told me the same thing when i was growing up.

You have this idea that I think that I am somehow "better" than other people? I don't know where you got that from, since I am one of the most down to earth people you will ever meet.

I have friends that live in the ghetto. Most people would look at them and label them as "white trash", but when it comes down to it, they would do just about anything for you if they consider you a friend.

Now if I thought I was "better" than other people, do you think i would associate with someone who has a 1984 Ford Mustang sitting on blocks in his front yard?

You are confusing and INDIVIDUALS perception of themself with the collective opinion of their peers. That's all status is. It has NOTHING to do with your OWN opinion of yourself.

You said "status doesn't exist". If you truly believe that, the conversation can't go any further. And the simple fact of the matter is, no matter how "equal" you believe people to be, it doesn't mean a damn thing because EVERYONE ELSE is living in the real world. It's like saying "sh!t tests don't exist" just because you think it's wrong for a woman to test a man. Right or wrong, you are living in a world where women test men. You can pretend it doesn't exist, fight to be "above all that", or do the practical thing that most people do and simply acknowledge it for what it is and learn to live with it.

This isn't something that goes against the laws of nature. You aren't going to effect any sort of change by crusading against it.



So you DO want status, yet you claim that it doesn't exist.

And a hundred hot women standing in line wanting to fukk you at the end of the night would change ANY man's perspective, I don't care who you are.

Who is the one thinking they are "better"? It's YOU, but you can't see it and it's easy to cloak it under the guise of "taking the high road".

You aren't any different than the rest of us dude.

Str8up, I'll reply to this tomorrow, but I'll say this real quick...I was refering to "status" used in the context of someone being better than another, doesn't exist. It's 5:30am in the morning, I'm tired right now. And after that, I'm calling it quits on this thread, cause it's a lost cause.

 

[aliasguy]

Backing off what??? What are you talking about?



You're creeping yourself out douchebag, and me for that matter. Stop overreacting and dramatizing what I say. I thought I explained myself fine. By "equal in general", I meant, just that, all the bad qualities of a person aside. I don't know how else to explain it to you.

And define the word equal? Please tell me you ain't serious. I explained it enough in this thread. You should've caught on. Not my problem you're an idiot.

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"douchebag," very cute.


I'm only asking you to define "equal" because you seem to be changing what you mean. In an earlier post, you state flat out that everyone is equal. Then, you said everyone ,in general, is equal (except in those areas where we're NOT, I guess.)

So, if everyone is equal, bad qualities aside (your terms), what does equal really MEAN? It's like saying: "Everyone is attractive, ugly features aside."


If by "equal," you mean "equal before the law," or "equal in the eyes of god," or something like that, well ok, let us know what you mean exactly.

But you can't say that everyone is equal and then follow it up with everyone is equal in general, except for their bad qualities. What does equality even mean, then?

Sorry you feel I'm an idiot. Humor me, and clear it up. Are we all "equal," or not?

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[STR8UP]

Str8up, I'll reply to this tomorrow, but I'll say this real quick...I was refering to "status" used in the context of someone being better than another, doesn't exist..

If I didn't know better I would think that you were projecting some insecurities here, cause nobody said anything about one person being "better" than anyone else. You only heard what you wanted to hear, which had nothing to do with what was really said.