I talked to guys who are getting laid a lot in 2023, here's how they are meeting women.

[JusSayin]

So is any guy here meeting quality LTR worthy chicks on OLD or is OLD just for hookups now.

I think its interesting if OLD (Tinder, etc) are just hookup apps now. It could be related to the death of LTRs.

I wanna know if anyone got LTRs off OLD?

OLD is norm now. Everyone does OLD, *****s and good chicks alike. The good ones delete the app after meeting someone solid. That's just how it works in 2023

 

[Dr.Suave]

OLD is norm now. Everyone does OLD, *****s and good chicks alike. The good ones delete the app after meeting someone solid. That's just how it works in 2023

Agree 100% with everything you said. Especially the part I bolded is so true and it hasnt been said enough.

That´s why using OLD is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Sometimes you have to spend weeks, months, or (worst case scenario) years screening out the trash before you can find a diamond in the rough.

 

[HaleyBaron]

I never trust a topic from Jesse cause of his mindset. I'm going to go against the grain here and say that OLD still sucks. It's basically dumpster diving. Instagram is a little better but you better have the status, pics, and followers to back you up. Otherwise, out in the wild is still the best approach.

We hear the stories of the woman looking at her phone during dates, but that is because she is preparing an in-person meeting with a guy she already knows who is going to pound that p*ssy all night while you pay for her drinks and lobster.

But at least in person, you have the most control over the situation. Online, the woman only has your non moving pictures and your texting. All of it can be interpreted from the comfort of her home. In person, your height, your voice, your eyes, your body language, your body shape, your inflection, your charisma, all of that hits her from so many angles, she cannot keep up. In that, she is in your frame.

Summary: OLD: female frame.
IRL: Male frame.

 

[HaleyBaron]

The problem with social circles becomes sustainability over a longer period of time (5+ years). Social circles have a way of getting pissed off at men who continually exchange girlfriends without marriage or babies, even if the relationships are semi-long (1-4 years) Remember that social circles generally have a blue pill viewpoint on romantic relationships. After 2 or so instances of medium term relationships, the social circle will run dry. Social circle is not likely ideal for a serial monogamist who does have extended relationships but doesn't commit or the player type who tends to have relationships of less than 1 year.

To add, yes, I've seen this happen irl to myself. As some know, I am not one to commit to a girl. I am seldomly seen with a girlfriend, but I do have girls that surround me. At the moment I am seen as kind of a playboy and as such I am not invited to a lot of the events or outings that the couples of the circle do. I know why: the girls are usually the excuse for the men going out so I lose out on a lot of social interaction with my friend group unless it is with other single men. I still get invited to parties mostly cause I am still good looking and girls still like me. But that is as far as their trust goes despite the way the girlfriends of the couples look at me.

It's a hard existence. Being a player is not for the easy heart.

 

[mbc0029]

Summary: OLD: female frame.
IRL: Male frame.

OLD can work with good pictures I've heard.

But yeah, women don't know what they want until you're standing right in front of them. They almost have to FEEL you. There has to be tension between you and her. Otherwise, it's a "friendship".

 

[BoostedArrow]

Sure, but sometimes your possibilities are limited. If someone's autistic, he won't have super-duper bulletproof game. So there needs to be advice on how he still can get laid.
With your body you can do a lot, like not being fckin fat. But getting extremely big, in terms of muscles, is not always easy.
And money: For guys that are well over 30 I don't see great chances to break out of their salary range when their career is already set. (I dunno though) For me it's alright, since I'm doing a good engineering degree and am aware of the things I have to pay attention to. So I can probably expect a better income than average.

It might not, considering the following men men cannot be “out-alphad,” but were nevertheless publicly punked or left by their women:

Bill Gates
Brad Pitt
Will Smith
Tom Brady
Ben Affleck
Jeff Bezos
Vladimir Putin




If you are not socially stunted and you have such a profession and you’re alright looking, you’ll be attractive to enough women these days.

What I meant by "Just be alpha bro"- doesnt help is that it's not specific actionable advice. I mean if sb. says this, what should I do? Alpha is an abstract place-holder term that means sth. different to everyone. I wasn't even talking about "alpha", but about this dismissive kind of advice that doesn't say anything.

I'll be attractive to women in their 30ies, but am I arousing to the girls in their 20ies?

 

[Manure Spherian]

I'll be attractive to women in their 30ies, but am I arousing to the girls in their 20ies?

Isn’t this for you to observe and find out?

PS: was not speaking against your by the way. I was agreeing with you.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

We hear the story of the woman looking at her phone during dates, but that is because she is preparing an in-person meeting with a guy she already knows who will pound that p*ssy all night while you pay for her drinks and lobster.

For the sake of argument, we can just assume that your assertion has merit.

How does initiating a relationship through direct interaction—as opposed to online dating platforms—provide immunity from encountering the same challenges or scenarios? The circumstances under which you met her hold no sway over her involvement with online dating apps.

It would be a reasonable conjecture to assert that most women, perhaps more than 65%, have a dating application installed on their smartphones, irrespective of whether they engage actively or casually. Research corroborates this notion, indicating that 48% of women have utilized a dating app at some point.

And more links I came across:

42% of daters think apps like Tinder and Bumble make it easier to find a long-term partner

Of respondents ages 18 to 29, 35% said dating apps make finding a serious partner easier, while 33% said it makes things harder.

www.cnbc.com

Dating App Revenue and Usage Statistics (2025)

In 2013, Tinder revolutionised the online dating industry with a simple system, swipe right if interested, left if not. Instead of having a matchmaker rifle through thousands of profiles to find someone unique, users are allowed to decide whether they like someone based off a few photos. In...

www.businessofapps.com

Old OLD article, still interesting:

Conquer love with these crucial dating app statistics

By Priceonomics

medium.com

Given all the analytics available today, I cannot find stats published by Google Store or The Apple Store that show the prevalence of types of applications installed on phones and subsequently broken down by gender. The data is available to the companies and easily charted in a pivot or database.

It would be interesting to see the popularity of apps installed or actively used by gender.

 

[jhonny9546]

This is really where stranger approaching becomes valuable. If you're looking for a longer term solution in your life, are below the 90th percentile (as most men are), and desire extended relationships without ruining your social circles, then approaching strangers becomes the thing you'll want to do.

Your post totally resonates. I can see the LTRs with kids and marriage, which are flimsy. It's what you're talking about. Usually, someone will "settle down" with the company they've found. Which is good because you can be "friends" for a lifetime, but it's not so good because you'll still have to live a limited life with it. So if you want a limited and sacrificed life, you'll get the beta guy, which is the alpha guy of the circle.


But what you're saying after is really interesting!
"Then approaching strangers becomes the thing you'll want to do." Why?

 

[BaronOfHair]

I have not met anyone getting laid regularly through cold approach.

If we define CA to mean walking up to random women and saying "Yo, honey... Let's go back to my place and shag", then yeah. There's been no time in history where that's ever been a particularly successful strategy

To your overall point: It's definitely astute for men in '24 to not rely exclusively on any one method, be it online or in-person

 

[Salvation]

So are women on TInder just there for quick s3x? I mean are women using Tinder for hookups?
I find it hard to believe women would be on Tinder looking for quality romantic interactions, due to its seedy nature. Women may be on Tinder for validation from men, attention, maybe find a guy to take women out, or just quick s3x.
It seems to me Tinder is the most degen place I think most women should be ashamed to be on there. Women must be so depressed and lost that they are on TInder to get quick no string s3x from random guys like Jesse is posting about.

Tinder is mainstream since yeeears, meaning normal women use it, meaning they nearly all are looking for a relationship there. Of course if Chad comes along they can go slutty fast (as seen with Tinder experiments with fake hot guys). And a small minority looks for casual.
When tinder started in 2012 and the first few years it was different, it had clear reputation of 'hookup' app, where it's 'just about looks'. The 'just see a picture and then swipe left or right' was revolutionary and was seen as totally degenerate and Tinder was seen as an app for quick sex. Then there were middle years were it was like 'oh, i know a pair who met on tinder and then married!' and since 2016 Tinder is number one online dating app and then every dating app copied the swipe model..