I long to cry.

[LikRetsam]

Originally posted by TonyTheTigerOI
This post is too hypocritical to be taken seriously. A friend of mine grew up in a city in Africa. When a new regiem took power, they began killing off everyone who had been outspoken supporters of those who used to be in power. They dragged his parents out of the house and meutilated them infront of him. He lives in a forster home in rochester now... I play soccer with him. You talk of things like this... terrible things... and ask that those who've never been through such things compare our lives to this...

Though not to that degree, some of us have suffered such experiences.

Originally posted by TonyTheTigerOI
then you go on to say you just smile, and yet, you want to cry.

Smile at the irrelevancies of life.

Originally posted by TonyTheTigerOI You lie to yourself because you are young and confused. Too young to understand the problems and suffering of the world. And far too young to understand how YOUR problems affect the bigger picture.

I'm 16, I'll be 17 in a week. I've seen a lot, and had my hands in enough to know I don't know enough. But I'm learning. You express yourself well, but take the time to experience first.

Understood.

Originally posted by TonyTheTigerOI
Take it from Julian, I write A LOT. I turn 2 12 pt font 1 in margin typed pages of raw verbose emotion a week. I tell a mean story. I could be a stand up comic. But expression of beliefs and proof of action are very different. I have done my time in the field, son. I've earned the right to insult these forums... I've done enough in my four years on these forums to know how and when to slant people, and more importantly, why to slant them.

People come and rant about crappy posts, insignifigant questions... who cares? I asked questions like that. Guys like Pulse, Sir Chancalot, Syncmaster, SexPDX we worked the simple **** out together... now I know and execute my **** better than anyone else here [well, almost, eh Julian? ]. Answer what you can, say it once, say it a hundred times, thats what this place is about.

You are 15, you are confused. You might have some potential, but don't let it go to your head.

Currently, this post in mind was designed to simply get rid of all the questions that don't really matter. To make people realise that they need not suffer for nothing. This was all in diary form and eventually I decided to add what I thought I really needed when aspiring. After that, I understand that my views will change and won't ever be the right ones. I accept that.

It is also through this post that I can get some tips from the older guys to help me see where I really go "wrong". I hoped to get some things straightened out without asking direct questions and so far so good. I'm being put back in my place =p .

More of a post for myself and changing views then to help others in my opinion.

Lik

 

[The Antichrist_Star]

Unless I am corrected otherwise, I gathered that the main point of this post was to seperate the relevant to the irrelevant... and then discarding the irrelevant. This is why I said it is good in theory Lik... but very different in practice. The problem with the issue of relevancy (among other things in life) is that it is often subject to well... subjectivity. Ergo... many of the things you guys are experiencing in High School are no longer relevant to me because I am now in college. Was it relevant to me at some point... yes, but it is no longer. Therefore, while it is easy to preach that you should simply let those unimportant (rather... what you deem unimportant) things go... it may not be another person's plan to do so. Some people create their entire lives around the premise of getting married. Is such a thing relevant to me (or even a good idea) of course not? But to some people... it is their entire purpose.

At one point in my life (just like many of the new posters) what was most important (and relevant to me) was becoming good with women. I have pasted that point Lik, and I congratulate you for doing the same at such a early age... but many of our peers have not. Is this a bad thing? Not necessarily... just a different plan of action than say myself, yours, or Diego (BBB). Moreover, because no matter what we do in life we still are men... women will always be relevant to us... it is in our nature. Do they become lower on the scale at some point? Yes... but at the same time, there are certain instances that occur in life (and yes... I even experience them) when women are at the highest of priorities.

My final point on what I believe the gist of your thread (and do correct me if I am wrong) is this: I have seen men killed, robbed, (have been robbed), women raped and such things... but that still does not make my heart bleed. No matter what you witness in our lives, asking people to have a bleeding heart is rather futile. Humans (for the most part) are much to self-centered and self-serving to care a good amount about what is occurring to another human, no matter how horrible... unless it is occurring to us respectively. Americans are probably the highest on the self-servant list, simply because no matter what your situation... it is still probably a million times better than billions of people's situations across the world. In fact... I believe that we do things more out of pity, than of an actual caring heart.

None of this is to bash you in any way Lik, because you have good intentions. But as I told you before... you have not even begun to jump into the rabbit hole.

P.S.: I would not say that the rabbit hole is going deeper Need-2-B-Pimpin... let's just say it is curving a bit.

Anthony:

 

[LikRetsam]

Thanks Matrix, that last reply opened up my eyes quite a bit.

 

[Biphoria]

I just added this to the list of ultimate threads on this site that need to be reread every now and then.

This post is truly great. Not only is the original article wonderful but the whole debate that ensued was just jaw dropping. Congrats to you Lik, Matrix and Tony (and the others too!!) for making such a great piece of work.

 

[TheGothicCowboy]

Originally posted by LikRetsam
It is best to be quiet and let people think you're a fool then to speak and remove all doubt.

i have to say that i strongly disagree with this. see, in your post, you also said, "what is a dj?" in my opinion, one aspect of a dj is seeking self improvement. your not going to improve yourself if you hide all of your problems. hiding them just makes them worse. in your example of failing the math test, which do you think would be the best course of action? just don't let it known that you did badly on the test, or go ask the math teacher for lessons?

 

[Craig Reeves]

OK, you come in here, rant and rave, and basically display how "superior" you are to all of us hand how much everyone here sucks.

Look, if you're so great, then how come you don't come up with posts to HELP people instead of bring them down? If you were so great, you'd be ENCOURAGING people instead of saying that they sucked.....last time I checked, that's what GREAT people did.

 

[LikRetsam]

Originally posted by Craig Reeves
OK, you come in here, rant and rave, and basically display how "superior" you are to all of us hand how much everyone here sucks.

Look, if you're so great, then how come you don't come up with posts to HELP people instead of bring them down? If you were so great, you'd be ENCOURAGING people instead of saying that they sucked.....last time I checked, that's what GREAT people did.

The post is back from the dead is it?

TheGothicCowboy, in french there is a saying "Parler pour ne rien dire". It means to speak but to say nothing. That sentence, that you quoted, is simply a tip: Don't talk when you don't know what you're talking about!

Hey Craig, I'm sorry my post offended you. You know, I reread it this morning and i don't really like the tone I took in it... It's not really me. It was me on that moment. I looked at the edit button but said... nah. Leave it. Why? So people like you could come here and post about how offended you were.

As I reread this thread, it just didn't strike me as me trying to be superior as much as people are stressing it. I told you you sucked. I said I sucked. I called you AFC and I called myself an AFC. Frankly, it is quite clear why. Because it illustrates my point. Take Pook's post for example. He keeps giving great tips but you think to yourself you can't achieve them so he builds rapport with you by illustrating your thoughts in his post. This is the opposite. I'm not trying to make the greatest post ever that will appeal to everyone and be added to the DJ bible. I offended you. That made you dislike my post and not look at the overall theme of it. It just illustrates how most people are here and in the real world. If I don''t keep bringing myself to your level, be it higher or lower than mine, then you won't enjoy my post. You can not adapt. I stand by every comment made by me in this thread. People are stupid and are consistantly blinded by the most irrelevant issues.

You see, this post did help alot of people. It helped me aswell. Never did I claim that I was great, that was something you came up with on your own (HUMMMM). Why can't I encourage people? Are you seriously asking me that question? People here don't need to be flattered. They are here, have a sh*tload of information at their disposal to lead a great life, but they are too f*cking lazy to do anything with it. So? I try to put them back in their place. Now this will not please people, but that's not what's important. What's important is that people understand where they are wrong, according to me. By coming on to people negatively by bringing down their image, there is a sort of hate that builds up and people want to prove me wrong. You don't agree with me once your [fragile] ego has been hit and you have motivation to prove me wrong, to go against my sytem. I have numerous private messages going something like "I didn't like you telling me I sucked and whatnot, because you are in no position to do so but in the end, through that "hate"I was able to understand your post and realise that it actually motivated me to not fall into the categories you described".

The great people of this world help the people they want to help. The people I want to help will be helped by my posts. Others will fall off topic and misunderstand my post and it just shows me that they are not ready to see the world under the same light as me.

Cheers.
Lik

 

[TheGothicCowboy]

Originally posted by LikRetsam
TheGothicCowboy, in french there is a saying "Parler pour ne rien dire". It means to speak but to say nothing. That sentence, that you quoted, is simply a tip: Don't talk when you don't know what you're talking about!

okay, that i agree with.

 

[Wont Stop Mackin]

Originally posted by TheMinistered


You take all the concepts, all the useful stuff provided here at such a deep level, examining everything to it's fullest extent.

However, most things here are meant to be taken at a "surface" level.

What you are doing is like examining the following sentence: "Mom thinks peanut butter is awesome and tasty."

Then trying to derive every meaning from every word and every context.

When all this sentence really means is mom thinks peanut butter is awesome and tasty, end of story.

I Strongly agree with what this man said. But on top of that, you my friend at only 15 must of experienced something really horrible to write all this. I sense your tone to be angry or bothered in some way, but listen to what i have to say. To tell you the truth i dont really sense your attitude as being in anyway helpful to the people on this board. Maybe i am wrong and everyone who is supporting you here is right. But because some 13 yr old kid asks what he should do after talking to a girl he met at the mall and froze up in embarassment, does not give you in any way the right to put him them down and say that is irrelevant. Irrelevant to you maybe? Yes irrelevant to me too but to him it means something, what you are trying to do is speed up the growing process, because without these kids learning for themselves what is irrelevant and what isn't you really have no right to tell them. You might have some pretty good points, and i mean no disrespect but maybe you'd have a better time writing to the white house about all the "real problems" you mentioned because theres not a lot we can do about people dieing in 3rd world countrys or even our own. Yes we can help, we can volenteer we can probably fly our asses over there and start killing some bad guys and helping some good guys but somewhere somehow someone will die, someone will lose everything, and someone will lose someone they love, and you nor i will have any say over it. So whats the point of taking up all of these horrible issues on your 15 yr old head.

Also what kind of angers me is that you say people come here to get an "approval on everything they do" you must of forgotten what this board is for, its for advice, and if people are asking " what should i do " or " should i do it " its not for approval in anyway its for advice from his peers because lets face it me and you know a thing or two DJhood as u put it more than than some of the people that post here. But thats ok, i know how you feel at one point i started dogging people about stupid questions, but the board is for relevant and irrelevant questions a like, it is for helping people not telling them that their problems are irrelevant. Maybe People ask stupid questions who are you to stop them let them ask, is it really bothering you that much? If you asked a question in ur math class that you had no idea about, would your teacher just flat out say " OMG THAT IS A STUPID FVCKING QUESTION, C'MON NOW... " and go to the next kid? No i dont think so, so why should you be doing the same on this board, its not fair to the members who post topics regardless of wether they are serious issues or not.

Sorry but the first part of your post was in no way in my beliefs helpful to anyone here, just discouraging. As for the rest it was an interesting read and i do agree with most things, i just didnt like the attitude you came with, you went about it the wrong way in my opinion, but whos to say? Maybe its just how i portray you when i read? Who knows.

Just my 2 Cents. Respect. And good luck.

P.S. I dont know where you come from, but down in VA a 30 grand mercedez is my pick over a 15 grand toyota any day =).

 

[LikRetsam]

Originally posted by Wont Stop Mackin
OMG THAT IS A STUPID FVCKING QUESTION, C'MON NOW...

I've gotten that.. Though she used a bit more correct language, but I've gotten it!

Anyways... no. I don't recall being in the greatest of moods. I recall some unfair event and also recall the top 10 posts of the highschool forum having nothing to do with anything of interrest.

What I meant by people seeking approval is not the advice part. That's the whole problem... the lacking advice part. People coming here and posting about their experience (which I think is great) but they do so in such a manner that if the next poster disagrees, it completly gets them down.

The examples of real problems are just ideas. Quite frankly, none of my examples could be true. The point isn't to go about thinking what you can do about them or really realizing that your problems arn't problems but rather to take thinks more lightly and have them in better perspective. If you were to raise a child in a fake world in a society that taught him nothing of ladies, being a nice guy etc. I believe that that guy wouldn't have a problem approaching women. Which comes back to say that we shouldn't view the game as the war. Rather, just the game. Play it, lose it, win it, master it.

Your example on the 13 year old is completly authentic and got me thinking. You're right. It all depends from where you look at the matter. I can not speed up the process of growth in the DJhood domain but I can encourage people to not make detours on this road. For example, worrying about will she call or not. It just slows down the process.

I also do agree the the tone was misplaced and should have been written on a much friendlier tone. The state of the forums at the time of writting were a huge influence on my tone though so somewhere, I stand by it remembering that I wouldn't continue to frequent these forums if it contiunued on the same path. Since my post, I've seen alot less crap on the boards so somewhere, I am happy.

Lik

 

[October]

Wow. Bump.

 

[Dj Joey]

true

I totally agree with you. I came to this site last year, i read the whole bible, enjoyed what mr fingers said, i memorized almost everything, and yup... i must say, it changed my life.

The bible is just an eye opener to what you are doing wrong, like, why not to tease? i mean, a lot of stuff in the bible is true, but while i was being what you call a dj, I had a little accident.

I reached my goals, but only because i had a better life. Not because i memorized things in the bible.

IT was an accident. I fell in love accidentally to this girl, and with this kind of experience, i learned a lot. We are both crazy for each other, but guess what?

I acted my way. I did what i felt it was right, because not everything that the bible says is true. You need to apply, and see. You need to learn your moves, and only by trying, you will see the light. The truth, the real meaning of everything.

I tell that girl she's beautiful everyday, and she likes me even more... why? why? i dont know, but one thing is for certain.

Be honest. Be smart. Be the way you want to be, the person you dream of.

 

[Best friends? NAY]

I disagree with comparing your life to anyone elses besides your own previous life. You are the only good bar to judge yourself by.

If you say I should be happy beacuse soemone else is worse off, then that is just an excuse to stay down beacuse you're still better off then that other guy.

Emotions are always realtive to YOUR situation. Thinking about someone else won't make your high's higher or your low's lower.

About keeping yourself up and happy.
You aproach a chick and get turned down. Ohh well stuff happends you can respond in a few ways.
A. Make it a positive, you learn from the experience and use it to help you on your next aproach. The only way failing afffects you is positivley. You failing this time won't make your next aproach fail, infact it helps you out.
B. You get sad, deppresed and discouraged. Failing this time will either make you stop trying (the ultimate form of failing) or make it even harder to succed next time.

Both situations are self fullfiling prophices, situation A. leads to happiness.

I agree with most everything else.

P.S. Do I kick ass at spelling or what ?

 

[Baseball05]

Read into philosophy, you have just scratched the surface...

 

[Void]

No disrespect or anything, I get the point of your thread except consider this...

A kid comes here and posts what he thinks is a "Problem" to him, about maybe learning how to speak to other people around him because he's too shy and you call him "an idiot." His post is silly, and a load of ****.

He never becomes social, ever. Because he was blasted over internet by a "Master Don Juan."

We do all have our own problems, some which we can solve some that we can't.

But YES their is a certain point where you won't need to ask anymore. But you'll realize it, it'd be people reiterating what you said. Or to an extent.

It's like learning to swim...(as our examples seem to be in the aquatic today...) once you know how swim and you don't need people to tell you how to swim again...bad example but you get the point.

Would a confident man need to go to an internet forum for help?

But once you're confident enough you can leave....

we all have different points...