Originally posted by Reach
When you're learing it's best to learn from other people who are learning because you're at the same point and recognize eachothers environment.
I'm not asking you guys if it works, I'm telling it does and has worked in the real world.
I'm understand your point. I'm not knocking that approach--hell, I've used that approach when I was younger. It will work . . . SOMETIMES.
When learning, I think it's a bad idea to just learn "what works." Sometimes, you can succeed using this learning technique and that's fine.
However, a more powerful way to learn is to understand the UNDERLYING PRINCIPLES that guide all situations in general. This is like learning to answer the question, "why?"
What I was trying to say is that, with most of the women I encounter, that tactic isn't a solid one AT ALL. The reason WHY it works on occasion is because the woman already wants to fvck and you've given her an excuse to do it--albeit a VERY LAME excuse. She has to want to fvck you pretty strongly already for this to have any chance of leading to sex.
When a woman has had more sexual partners (is watching her "numbers") or generally just has more incentive to NOT have sex, then this approach will break down.
I have actually heard several "horror stories" from women describing guys who used techniques like this. In fact, if you mention massages to a girl and don't do it tactfully, you can turn her off. For example, just this past weekend, I was talking to this chick on the phone and the conversation went like this (mind you she's in her 30's)...
HB30s: blah, blah tired
Mix: yeah, you sound a little stressed--like you need to unwind.
HB30s: my back is really killing me
Mix: funny, my back doesn't hurt me after doing a lot of work. I guess that probably comes from you being so old. I'm glad I'm not over the hill
HB30s: *laughing hard*
Mix: You know, I used to be a semi-professional masseuse
HB30s: *sigh* oh really?
Mix: Yeah, I could give you a massage
HB30s: *sigh* mmmmmmph *sigh* [VERY obvious that she has heard the "massage" approach before]
Mix: [noticing that she's not biting...I switch it up] Well, I COULD HAVE given you one in the past. I don't give massages anymore [pause long enough to let her think but not speak] yeah, it's hard giving massages because when I do, women always try to seduce me and that gets REAL OLD!
HB30s: *laughs*
Mix: [not laughing] I'm serious. They try to take off their shirt and bra or get all sexy and . . . I just want them to pay me my $20 so I can go home!
HB30s: *laughs hard* boy, you’re too much.
Mix: [still not laughing] See, you think it's funny. That's why I definitely don't trust you. Especially since you're always trying to seduce me [break off on tangent about how she's been trying to seduce me and how I won't stand for it! I say, "I am not an object! Okay, maybe I am but that was just that one time with that one girl, I swear!"]
If I had continued with the massage approach she would have been very turned off. I threw it out there to see how she would react (even if she reacted positively, I still would have told her she could not get one--because she'd probably try to seduce me). Frankly, though, I don't give massages to girls I haven't fvcked at least once. That sh!t tires my hands. Why should I work? They should be massaging me.
So bringing this all back to the topic . . .
I agree with what StrivetoThrive was saying. Basically guys, don't focus on WHAT specific tactics work because then you'll be stuck trying to learn the right tactic for every possible situation. As soon as your "lay down, I'll give you a massage" tactic doesn't work (real soon), she'll be leaving and you'll be stuck with no poontang--doing the knuckle shuffle. Instead, just understand the underlying principles and let those guide your actions.
The underlying priciple for kissing . . . just do it.
Well . . .
get close enough first.
(I should probably touch her, huh?)
Yeah!
Then . . .
Just do it.
