I get farther with women when I'm nice

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You cant go around in life scared of confrontation.
And yet you're lucky he was scared and let you skip the queue. Otherwise all sorts could (and should - threatening someone makes you open season) have happened and today you'd be telling us not to be a cvnt to random strangers.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Being neutral >>>>>>>Being nice/jerk
Reacting to supplicate/degrade both come across as "try hard"
 

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It’s best to be a good guy with bad boy traits and characteristics,like James Bond.
 

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I had lots of incidents but very rarely did they get physical. 90% of aggro is just strutting.

I follow a local football team (soccer) in England and you tend to get into a few scuffles doing that as a young lout, as I was for a short time probably 16-20.

most of it is just gesticulating and singing.

I’m not sure if you’re stateside but I wouldn’t act like that in a country full of firearms. Football aggro is a result of knowing the worst thing you’re going to get coming your way is a pint glass of beer.
Also UK and also big football fan of local team, travelled the country a lot to away games in my teens/20's so I know exactly what you mean.
 

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Within the context of dating, a "nice guy" is someone who is submissive, compliant, and agreeable, in the hopes that he will gain the approval of the woman he likes, and that she will eventually allow his penis into her vagina. Essentially, he uses kindness as a means to an end, not the end itself. He's using kindness as a manipulation tactic to get what he wants. This is obviously repulsive to women.

A "bad boy" is someone who is the stereotypical loud-mouthed obnoxious "alpha male" jerk, with tattoos, muscles, backwards baseball cap and who treats people like sh!t.

They are both caricatures representing the dichotomy that "dating gurus" employ to state the tired platitude "bad boys get the girls, nice guys finish last."

In my experience, obnoxious a$$holes who treat people like sh!t are angry, insecure, and socially inept, and are no more attractive to women than meek people-pleasers.

Being a "nice guy" and being a good guy are different things. You can be a good guy who is kind, treats people well, and is liked by others, while still being confident, assertive, socially fearless, and enforces personal boundaries with a willingness to walk away.

Women are generally attracted to status. A$$holes who are disliked by people don't get very high up on the social status ladder.

The exception being, of course, classically tall and handsome men who are essentially the male counterparts of spoiled brat hot women. Ie, that small segment of the human population that the black and angry red pillers b!tch and moan about here on SS.

For the rest of us, kindness with strong personal boundaries will get us farther in life -- whether with women, or in general.
 

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Actually yeah if it was in tip top shape inside and out. Damn straight, probably more. Cars like that become classics worth even more than they were originally.

100,000 is nothing, I have seen absolutely gorgeous cars, still running beautifully with over 250,000 miles.
The exception proves the rule,it doesn’t disprove it.
 

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I know this is hard for people to believe, but it's true. I also notice this with my friends as well. None of them are "bad boys" or act anything remotely resembling this forum, and get hot girls.

This seems to be an internet thing of trying to be a bad boy, calling a woman out on their behavior, putting them in their place. I have done this before and it doesn't work. Women think I'm an a$$hole and want nothing to do with me.

Same thing with my male co-workers. They are nice guys, and get girls. I've been around them plenty, and seen them interact with women who are very receptive to their advances, and end up in long-term relationships as a result.

What's interesting is I also know a few guys who are jerks, and I never see them with any girls.

A lot of this seems to be internet advice that never translates into real life.
This post is full of ambiguity.

First off, you can get laid often if you disregard your self respect. You can choose women that take more than they give, you can choose to put pu$sy over your career, it all depends on your priorities.

This doormat mentality is unfortunately what most men crater to, and they'll tell you their own reasons for why it's worth it. Personally I've met few men in relationships that I would swap places with, and I'm single.

If a man prioritizes his craft over pus$y, it can come across as 'bad boy' because he won't always be available.

It's not an act. That's what forums like SS try to show men, that being a natural bad boy is just a man chasing his dreams. He naturally avoids commitment because he understands it'll slow him down.

Calling women out is something you do if you're not a doormat. It's the act of asserting personal boundaries. If a woman can't respect those then why do you want to spend time with her anyway?
 

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This post is full of ambiguity.

First off, you can get laid often if you disregard your self respect. You can choose women that take more than they give, you can choose to put pu$sy over your career, it all depends on your priorities.

This doormat mentality is unfortunately what most men crater to, and they'll tell you their own reasons for why it's worth it. Personally I've met few men in relationships that I would swap places with, and I'm single.

If a man prioritizes his craft over pus$y, it can come across as 'bad boy' because he won't always be available.

It's not an act. That's what forums like SS try to show men, that being a natural bad boy is just a man chasing his dreams. He naturally avoids commitment because he understands it'll slow him down.

Calling women out is something you do if you're not a doormat. It's the act of asserting personal boundaries. If a woman can't respect those then why do you want to spend time with her anyway?
Cratering to a taker is because some of those men equated relationships to prostitution and in their world view he will be a slave either way, so he chooses his master.
 

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This post is full of ambiguity.

First off, you can get laid often if you disregard your self respect. You can choose women that take more than they give, you can choose to put pu$sy over your career, it all depends on your priorities.

This doormat mentality is unfortunately what most men crater to, and they'll tell you their own reasons for why it's worth it. Personally I've met few men in relationships that I would swap places with, and I'm single.

If a man prioritizes his craft over pus$y, it can come across as 'bad boy' because he won't always be available.

It's not an act. That's what forums like SS try to show men, that being a natural bad boy is just a man chasing his dreams. He naturally avoids commitment because he understands it'll slow him down.

Calling women out is something you do if you're not a doormat. It's the act of asserting personal boundaries. If a woman can't respect those then why do you want to spend time with her anyway?
I think your reply was more ambiguous than anything I wrote.
 

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I have actually learned quite a bit here and even post about it sometimes on that other blue pill forum.

I certainly stir some feathers over there when I do, it's pretty funny actually.
Which forum is that ?
 

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I think your reply was more ambiguous than anything I wrote.
Then reply with substance and point it out, otherwise wtf are we doing?

'getting far' could mean anything, that's what I found vague. Also we know nothing about how cucked your friends are in these relationships, or what kind of guys they are or where they're getting women.
 

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Then reply with substance and point it out, otherwise wtf are we doing?

'getting far' could mean anything, that's what I found vague. Also we know nothing about how cucked your friends are in these relationships, or what kind of guys they are or where they're getting women.
What does it matter how "cucked" these guys are? The point is, they are in relationships with these women. You can speculate all you want to make yourself feel better, it's not going to change anything. You're throwing out all these random scenarios that are completely off base, because you don't know these guys, or the women they're dating. I do. That's the difference.
 

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What does it matter how "cucked" these guys are? The point is, they are in relationships with these women. You can speculate all you want to make yourself feel better, it's not going to change anything. You're throwing out all these random scenarios that are completely off base, because you don't know these guys, or the women they're dating. I do. That's the difference.
That's why I'm asking for details, what's the demographic? How many girls do you think they've met or slept with before committing? At 30, I'm not crazy about a relationship when there are more women in the world than seconds in my lifetime. One woman for life or multiple years seems like an insane option at this age.

Think pragmatically, what do your friends gain by being in a relationship with one woman? What do any of us gain? Unless she has valuable family influence what is the point? When you're ready for a family, compromise and settle, but until then it's in your best interest to meet as many women as possible. The world has many treasures, women and experiences beyond your wildest dreams.

That's my opinion, and I respect people that commit younger than myself and already have kids, it's your personal choice; but there's definitely a lot of pressure on men to commit out of insecurity into a codependent union, rather than an interdependent one. A toxic relationship can kill you slowly, this forum is riddled with threads as a testament to that. It pays to be picky. If it turns out well for them that's great, it's simply not worth it for me until I'm in my 40s.

Anyway, my point is you might not seem 'nice' when you're really just being pragmatic.
 
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That's why I'm asking for details, what's the demographic? How many girls do you think they've met or slept with before committing? At 30, I'm not crazy about a relationship when there are more women in the world than seconds in my lifetime. One woman for life or multiple years seems like an insane option at this age.

Think pragmatically, what do your friends gain by being in a relationship with one woman? What do any of us gain? Unless she has valuable family influence what is the point? When you're ready for a family, compromise and settle, but until then it's in your best interest to meet as many women as possible. The world has many treasures, women and experiences beyond your wildest dreams.

That's my opinion, and I respect people that commit younger than myself and already have kids, it's your personal choice; but there's definitely a lot of pressure on men to commit out of insecurity into a codependent union, rather than an interdependent one. A toxic relationship can kill you slowly, this forum is riddled with threads as a testament to that. It pays to be picky. If it turns out well for them that's great, it's simply not worth it for me until I'm in my 40s.

Anyway, my point is you might not seem 'nice' when you're really just being pragmatic.
What do they gain? I don't know, I've never asked them. I'm just telling you I have personally seen them interact with women as they are close friends of mine, and their mentality is not from this forum.
 

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You just aren’t supposed to be a doormat. That’s the important thing. It’s not hard to see why: people who are fun to be around typically have a point of view, have interests, have preferences, and they aren’t afraid to express them.

It you have that part figured out and you are meeting girls, then you have graduated from online girl advice.
 
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Reminds me of a friend of mine who considers himself a "nice guy". He is, it's just that he's oblivious to the selfish behaviours he does with people. He's just totally not conscious of it. So from his point of view he's a perfect gentleman. And always acts reasonably and with beautiful equity and care, but really he's very dominant and self-centred.

Not saying OP is like that, but it could be a possibility.
 
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