I don't really get any kind of a thrill from having sex with different women

[user43770]

No offence, but you've gotten a tonne of advice, and had the game sort-of mapped out. You seem keen to talk down any typical way of having a decent amount of women going through your life. Which tells me that you're more interested in rationalizing your current position, than making any serious changes to it.

It's really on you now. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Good luck with whatever you decide, fella.

This.

 

[byers90]

Not that I am any kind of player but I've slept with maybe 6 or 7 women last 3 years (I know that's nothing compared to you guys) and it did nothing for me. I would much much rather be in a relationship but the problem is none of the women have been anywhere near my league (I'm a good looking, fit, stylish, extraordinarily successful 28 y/old with no kids. I want a woman somewhat close to that)


Does that make me strange? I have very high testosterone. I can have sex 4 times a day but I would much rather do that with the same person. Is is that unusual for a 28 year old guy to only want to be in a monogamous relationship? What's so terrible is I can't even seem to get that with anybody decent

There's nothing wrong with that at all. If you find a really great girl that is a lot better in the long run than smashing a bunch of skanks that could mess with your head and prove to be annoying. That said i'm not exactly sure that is the main aim of this forum.

 

[bigdave17]

No, you misunderstand.

You were talking rejection and positive/negative. I was telling you how I stay positive against often difficult odds. Imagine online dating where you have a very engaging, mutually positive, highly stimulating interaction with around half the girls you open.

My number close rate is usually higher than 10%, to put your "only 10% of girls are even available" statement into perspective...

If I decided to start hitting on girls in your gym, I'm very confident it would go down well a lot of the time is what i'm saying (don't care how unapproachable you think they are). Even when it goes poorly, you just pick up on that and eject in a face-saving manner - but that's not something I did too well starting out, and why it's really best not to learn somewhere confined and in a venue that you value such as the gym in the first place.



Literally anything social-circle. I've never had a decent mixed social-circle in my life that I can remember not getting a girl (or unwelcome attention somewhere like work, or other guys girlfriends, or whatever). Social-circle is the easiest by far ime.

The reason I think being you don't have to change much about yourself.

If I were you, and all I wanted was a simple boyfriend/girlfriend relationship, not rock the boat or anything, and I was starting from complete scratch, I would start with joining a bunch of populous meet-up groups. If you don't have a girlfriend by say Christmas, then you really need to take a long hard look at yourself.

No offence, but you've gotten a tonne of advice, and had the game sort-of mapped out. You seem keen to talk down any typical way of having a decent amount of women going through your life. Which tells me that you're more interested in rationalizing your current position, than making any serious changes to it.

It's really on you now. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Good luck with whatever you decide, fella.

All the meetup groups here are sausagefests

where is this talk of meetup groups with tons of hot single young women?? And social circle pickups for me have been garbage- either they are too old or some have been hair stylists who work for my best friend who are absolute trainwrecks. I want somebody mature/stable/responsible/etc....

single hot young women without kids are insanely difficult to date in our society

 

[Dash Riprock]

what are the odds of finding 22-28 year old women with that service?

I would hate to spend 3-5,000 myself on something like that and i make 160K. The average 25 year old girl makes 40K a year. 3-5K for her is a fortune

Yeah, the average female range for that service is more 33-45 year-olds so a bit too mature for him unless he wants to date "up." I can definitely say that the women are of much higher quality and don't have nearly the issues on a percentage basis that the O.L.D. or even organic women do.

 

[guru1000]

40-50%?? Are you high?? 80-90% of hot young women are gonna be in serious relationships anyways. Maybe 10% are single and the odds of them liking you enough to want to go out with you from their 80,000,000 options are extremely slim. If you have 50% success rate, you must look like Brad Pitt in his prime and I commend you sir because that's f*cking incredible.


What's the much easier ways?? You commented about social circle, I make new friends and meet new people all the time everywhere I go - I never meet any women worth dating. I really am trying and trying - I want to meet new people all the time. Online dating is completely impossible unless you look like Channing Tatum. Even slightly above average girls there are looking for white 6'3 10/10 male models.

Extremely defeatist post. But I recognize you opine from experience, and your experience has not been good.

Few misconceptions:

1) You don't need to look like Brad Pitt to date hot young women;
2) You don't need to look like Channing Tatum or a 6'3" 10 male model to date online women; and
3) Dating hot young women is quite easy if you are within their SMV sphere.

If you are a 5 or 6 male, then yes ... you'll find it difficult to date 8s and 9s. This seems like the place you are operating from. Take a cold hard look at your own SMV, and you'll see why young, hot women are unreachable to you.

The good news is any deficiencies in your SMV can be redressed. All you need is the desire to.

 

[bigdave17]

Yeah, the average female range for that service is more 33-45 year-olds so a bit too mature for him unless he wants to date "up." I can definitely say that the women are of much higher quality and don't have nearly the issues on a percentage basis that the O.L.D. or even organic women do.

I'm not gonna date a woman older than me. Women age fukking terrible compared to me...especially since I'm a very high testosterone dark skinned male. Most men in my family look 35 at 50

 

[bigdave17]

It's funny, I often say "well I don't want to date down because that won't be fair to her because I might have too much temptation." Well, that's exactly how hot women feel when they date a guy at their own level or below...and they have 100x the temptation. It's definitely a very big mistake to date very hot women for a ltr, explains some of the recent instability in my dating actually. Guru wasn't kidding when he said dating 9s is a completely different ball game.

Dating 9s?? Where do you guys come up with this stuff?? I'm not looking to date a 9. 9s are looking to date exclusively professional athletes and movie stars

I want a cute, classy, low maintenance 6 to 7/10. I don't like white girls either- I would love an ethnic girl (Latin, Asian or dark skinned European)

but even 7s for example on dating sites are looking for 10/10 men. In real life, they are a lot more realistic about their standards but the level of difficulty there to approach and the amount of obstacles in the way and the tiny percentage of them who are even single makes it all extremely difficult

 

[bigdave17]

Extremely defeatist post. But I recognize you opine from experience, and your experience has not been good.

Few misconceptions:

1) You don't need to look like Brad Pitt to date hot young women;
2) You don't need to look like Channing Tatum or a 6'3" 10 male model to date online women; and
3) Dating hot young women is quite easy if you are within their SMV sphere.

If you are a 5 or 6 male, then yes ... you'll find it difficult to date 8s and 9s. This seems like the place you are operating from. Take a cold hard look at your own SMV, and you'll see why young, hot women are unreachable to you.

The good news is any deficiencies in your SMV can be redressed. All you need is the desire to.

who told you I'm a 5 or a 6? I look like a 6 in pics but I'm easily a 7 to 7.5 in real life with excellent presentation (posture, fashion, body language, etc...). I'm going for women who are realistically a 6 to 7.5/10. I don't want anybody significantly better looking than me as I know those women will have absurd standards (6s have absurd standards already)

 

[guru1000]

who told you I'm a 5 or a 6? I look like a 6 in pics but I'm easily a 7 to 7.5 in real life with excellent presentation (posture, fashion, body language, etc...). I'm going for women who are realistically a 6 to 7.5/10. I don't want anybody significantly better looking than me as I know those women will have absurd standards (6s have absurd standards already)

If you’re 7.5 and socially calibrated, then you should be dating young, hot women—which, according to you, are women who would only go out with Brad Pitt at his prime. So either you aren’t the 7.5 you think you are or you aren’t socially-calibrated. Maybe neither.

Young, hot women are dime a dozen to men of equal or greater SMV. And you don’t need to be a celebrity or GQ model to spin them.

You’re confused.

 

[bigdave17]

If you’re 7.5 and socially calibrated, then you should be dating young, hot women—which, according to you, are women who would only go out with Brad Pitt at his prime. So either you aren’t the 7.5 you think you are or you aren’t socially-calibrated. Maybe neither.

Young, hot women are dime a dozen to men of equal or greater SMV. And you don’t need to be a celebrity or GQ model to spin them.

You’re confused.

Young hot women are literally the top of the food chain in our dating world

My sister, who is basically me without the ripped physique, the 160K a year income, college degree, big house, fancy car, etc... had extremely high quality men worshiping her from the age of 15. I can't even get a date with somebody worth seeing. We could be damn near twins - we talk and act the same way, look the same way (although I'm obviously very masculine looking and she is very feminine looking, we both share identical features in the face).

I should note that when I'm talking about wanting a 7, I'm talking about a woman who is a decent all around catch also - intelligent, decent job, classy, cute, nice fit body, no kids, mid 20s, not a smoker or terribly heavy drinker, super sweet/nice, etc... I've had 7s all over me who were single moms or in their late 30s but that obviously doesn't count, anybody can get that. The women who are in my league in terms of overall package are insanely unreasonable about who they want

 

[bigdave17]

Wow my guess is you have no male friends because you whine a LOT. I don't give a fvck about you or what you want, Im making my own point lol.

I have about 15-20 good close friends who love me to death

I can't talk to them about this stuff in real life, they would see me in a terrible light. They think of me as this awesome guy who is great at everything he does and he's only single because he hasn't met the right person

 

[guru1000]

I should note that when I'm talking about wanting a 7, I'm talking about a woman who is a decent all around catch also - intelligent, decent job, classy, cute, nice fit body, no kids, mid 20s, not a smoker or terribly heavy drinker, super sweet/nice, etc...

Yes girls like this, as well as 8s and 9s are dime a dozen to me. I am no celebrity. And in my early 40s.

If you can’t find decent 7s, you may be fighting above your “weight” class.

 

[bigdave17]

Yes girls like this, as well as 8s and 9s are dime a dozen to me. I am no celebrity. And in my early 40s.

If you can’t find decent 7s, you may be fighting above your “weight” class.

Every night I go out to bars, I have 2-4 people who compliment me on my face/how handsome I am, how I dress and my physique (these are random strangers in most cases)

The problem is the people who find me to be extremely attractive tend to be gay men, straight men, older women, single moms, etc.... I don't get any opportunities with anybody in my league

The women who are cute, my age, decent job, classy, etc... never go out to meet anybody. They are usually there with 10 friends and clearly not interested in talking to anybody. If I ever approach one, they are clearly very annoyed and want to get away from me immediately. I'm not a weirdo or a social retard here guys. I know how to have very pleasant conversation and to make people feel very comfortable around me

 

[guru1000]

Every night I go out to bars, I have 2-4 people who compliment me on my face/how handsome I am, how I dress and my physique (these are random strangers in most cases)

The problem is the people who find me to be extremely attractive tend to be gay men, straight men, older women, single moms, etc.... I don't get any opportunities with anybody in my league

The women who are cute, my age, decent job, classy, etc... never go out to meet anybody. They are usually there with 10 friends and clearly not interested in talking to anybody. If I ever approach one, they are clearly very annoyed and want to get away from me immediately. I'm not a weirdo or a social retard here guys. I know how to have very pleasant conversation and to make people feel very comfortable around me

Your internet persona seems a bit uptight. You’re probably not aware of that. You state you have many friends; random people compliment you; you're handsome, ripped, dressed like a superstar, socially calibrated—yet ... you can’t find a decent 7?

Doesn’t add up.

You have to be real with yourself. Something is off.

 

[Dash Riprock]

hhhhmmmmmm I would love to date a girl making great income

That's available in downtown Chicago but it's not going to be available around here (I'm 45 minutes from Chicago). Maybe I should try that

If you live in the Chicago area, the talent pool and database for It's Just Lunch matchmaking service will be huge. Probably in the 1000's. Tell them you want to start out meeting people in your vicinity first. In a city of 10,000,000, you will find a match through the IJL service.

Good point by @BeExcellent when she said parents may pay for the service for their daughters as all people and matches are vetted and you must pass an interview.

 

[bigdave17]

Your internet persona seems a bit uptight. You’re probably not aware of this. You state you have many friends; random people compliment you; you're handsome, ripped, dressed like a superstar, socially calibrated—yet ... you can’t find a decent 7?

Doesn’t add up.

You have to be real with yourself. Something is off.

15-20 is not a lot of friends. It's just a normal amount. I'm about quality, not quantity

I told you the cause of my problems

1)I live in the suburbs
2)I don't meet women in my social circle - which means I have to cold approach (the level of difficulty is insane)
3)I only look like a 6ish in pics which is an absolute death spell for online dating. I would realistically have to be a 8.5/10 minimum to have any chance at all with women online who are quality 6s. You have to generally go 3-4 points below your level with online dating - women who are 4s expect to date men who are 7s. Women who are 6s are looking for 9s and 10s

 

[guru1000]

15-20 is not a lot of friends. It's just a normal amount. I'm about quality, not quantity

I told you the cause of my problems

1)I live in the suburbs
2)I don't meet women in my social circle - which means I have to cold approach (the level of difficulty is insane)
3)I only look like a 6ish in pics which is an absolute death spell for online dating. I would realistically have to be a 8.5/10 minimum to have any chance at all with women online who are quality 6s. You have to generally go 3-4 points below your level with online dating - women who are 4s expect to date men who are 7s. Women who are 6s are looking for 9s and 10s

I understand 1 and 2.

You are grossly wrong on 3. You don’t have to be a 8.5 on OLD to score 6s. If you’re truly a 7.5, what you need are strong pics. This is what you need to do:

1) Hire a professional photographer. Snap 100 photos split among sports, casual, dress. Change the angles, facial and body posturing, lighting.

2) Take the 5-10 best pics and rate them on photofeeler.com.

3) Do not post any pics on OLD that rate less than a 70% attractiveness on photofeeler.com.

4) Try to get five pics rated above 90% attractiveness. This will likely happen within the first 100 photos if you are truly a 7.5.

If you manage to get and post five photos above 90% attractiveness (as rated by photofeeler), you will be the king of OLD.

OLD is kid’s play when you know what you are doing.

 

[bigdave17]

I understand 1 and 2.

You are grossly wrong on 3. You don’t have to be a 8.5 on OLD to score 6s. If you’re truly a 7.5, what you need are strong pics. This is what you need to do:

1) Hire a professional photographer. Snap 100 photos split among sports, casual, dress. Change the angles, facial and body posturing, lighting.

2) Take the 5-10 best pics and rate them on photofeeler.com.

3) Do not post any pics on OLD that rate less than a 70% attractiveness on photofeeler.com.

4) Try to get five pics rated above 90% attractiveness. This will likely happen within the first 100 photos if you are truly a 7.5.

If you manage to get and post five photos above 90% attractiveness (as rated by photofeeler), you will be the king of OLD.

OLD is kid’s play when you know what you are doing.

an unbelievable amount of work to get 1/10th the success that Chad has from taking bathroom selfies


the world really is ****ed

 

[Tenacity]

an unbelievable amount of work to get 1/10th the success that Chad has from taking bathroom selfies


the world really is ****ed

Sir post some pics of yourself

 

[icantgetlaid]

people are still feeding this troll?