How women turn men into AFC's, and how to stop it

[PlayerinTraining]

Iqqi, I hope you keep posting! Your rants just keep me in stitches!

And, they just further prove my point about women, and what
irresponsible, irrational, b!tches they can be.

Regarding female cheating, and the double standard on responsibility, iqqi wrote:

riiiight....what planet do you reside? obviously in your own fcuked up head, as any self respecting PERSON would know what's up.

Can anyone notice her inability to actually offer REASONS as to why I'm wrong? All she can post are flames and insults.

Lame insults at that.

Regarding female responsibility for pregnancy:
Originally posted by iqqi

oh, i see, you are just fcuking retarded. [/B]

It's retarded to expect a woman to take responsibility for her own body and what happens to it?

The proof is right in front of you. Iqqi thinks ANY MALE who expects a woman to take responsibility for getting pregnant is a retard.

Do civilized, mature, adults refer to others that they disagree with as "retards?"

I'm supposed to take the thoughts of Iqqi seriously, yet her behavior is no better than that of a spoiled 3 year old.

 

[iqqi]

Originally posted by PlayerinTraining
Regarding female responsibility for pregnancy:
It's retarded to expect a woman to take responsibility for her own body and what happens to it?

The proof is right in front of you. Iqqi thinks ANY MALE who expects a woman to take responsibility for getting pregnant is a retard.

it is retarded,stupid, irresponsible, that you assume a woman should take complete responsibility for something that takes a man as well as a woman to create. a woman can not become pregnant without a man. i feel like i am talking to a 4th grader. and that is retarded. unless you are a 4th grader.

i am sorry but you are either joking (and bad at it) or i just can't take you seriously. peace out.

 

[red sky30]

give it up iqqi. You're making yourself look foolish.



PlayerinTraining: great post.

 

[Trogdawg]

Enough Iqqi

Yes, iqqi, it takes a man and a woman to make a baby. So why do women get complete control of that baby until its birth. Why do they get more custody(sp?) in divorce cases? Why doesn't a man get any say in the matter of HIS CHILD???

So first you flame Player for his arguments. Which are professionally written, full of statistics, and some very viable concerns. Then after getting burned for you flaming you blame it on illness? Right babydoll, and for your next act monkeys will fly out your butt. To continue you revert back to flaming with very little facts or logic. Has any of your participation in this thread helped your cause or have they just further point out Playerintraining's concerns?

No it hasn't. I'm also very surprised to not see the other ladies on this site rush to defend you.

In the words of Dave Chapelle "chivalry is dead, and women killed it!"

 

[TheInfamousCBear]

1. AFC's are gonna get played because they are weak. PERIOD. They lack the common sense on this site...This site isnt really special, cause its sh1t people should know anyway...

2. Women, and anyone, who is in a relationship with someone who is allowing themselves to be used, will get used...

3. Women will take stuff from men, even if they dont like them..

4. If you let the actions of several people make you bitter, then damn...Its one thing to have your guard up a little bit, but some of you sound like your one some "fukk b1tches in the puss and a$$, cumm on their face, and cut their heads off" sh1t..Slow down, accept life for what it is, grow from it, and move on...

5. Oh yeah, none of the things people speak of will occur if the girl really likes you and you put her a$$ in place...

 

[ShortTimer]

Originally posted by iqqi
it is retarded,stupid, irresponsible, that you assume a woman should take complete responsibility for something that takes a man as well as a woman to create. a woman can not become pregnant without a man. i feel like i am talking to a 4th grader. and that is retarded. unless you are a 4th grader.

A different, and saner, woman smacked down this view very well:

"TMB:Women get pregnant. Men do not. Women have access to numerous methods of birth control. Men have one. Women can have abortions. Men cannot force women to have abortions.

Women hold all of the power. When a woman becomes pregnant, it is often because she either chose not to use birth control or did not use the birth control correctly. When a woman has a child, it is because she decided to continue with her pregnancy. When a child grows up without a father, it is usually due to the mother choosing to procreate with someone who either made it known that he did not want to be a father or through his actions, made it known that he would not be a good father.

Children do not get born because men shoot loads. Humans are conceived because of that, but it takes the decision of a woman to bring about the inevitable.

So, yes, the blame lies with women because it is their bodies that host the fetus and it is their minds that decide to "choose life.""

 

[SourFox]

Originally posted by legolas
So you're saying that men are to be blamed for their problems, because if it isn't women, and it is our socitey, and our society is made up of women and men,(male and female) then logically it has be men who are responsible for this.

Our culture is not just is not just composed of individuals, it is composed of the beliefs and traditions that those individuals are conditioned with. I would compare it to the Matrix. Don't blame the people. Blame the Matrix. (hmmm so would feminaziis be Agents in my analogy?). I am in no way trying to say that it is the fault of men that women behave the way they do. Though a lot of the resposibility for that behavior falls on AFC guys who let women get away with it. Though AFCs live in the Matrix and don't know better, so I like to draw a distinction between fault and responsibility. I am also not saying that women are to be totally absolved from blame, because many of them will blatantly abuse the already-unfair system for their own gratification.

Just read any seduction book. It teaches men to DO certain things so that women will act the way we want them to act. It's like she is the system, and we are the program trying to get into the system (pun intended) so we have to be the flexible ones, while she just sits there and REACTS to our behavior.

I would take a different look at it. Things weren't always this hard for men. In hunter-gatherer times, it is quite probable that it was a lot easier to have sex. I suspect that in that time, men were simply able able to seduce women with the simple tools that nature and nurture gave them (remember, marriage didn't always exist). However, today our nurture is destroying our nature, because we were conditioned to be AFCs. I see most of what we are doing on this forum as deconditioning those AFC habit that we should never have been inflicted with in the first place. Note that a lot of the stuff we are doing in learning how to act naturally around women by learning (or perhaps rediscovering) proper eye contact, body language, voice tonality, kino, confidence, etc...

Why can't she change while we change so we meet in the middle? Because society tells her that she doesn't have to. So she believes that she doesn't have to and for her it becomes a game of picking and choosing.

I agree with you there.

Most of the time though, they get caught up in creating these intricate pathways that they get high on it, and keep making it impossible for the poor guy to get close. No wonder most males are depressed. They don't realize that this is all part of the weeding process.

Ahhh, I see we are going to go evo-psych here. Let's assume for a minute that women are naturally more selective than males (though this might now necessarily be true). Although I agree that this could be a factor in female pickiness, I think the main factor is the AFCness in our culture. This makes women 10x more picky than they would normally be, because most AFCs simply don't even make it to the playing field. Imagine if there were only a few hot girls on earth, and the rest were ugly. Then men would appear to become more selective that we already are, because the average female would not attract us.

Sure.
However this way of thinking ASSUMES that all guys need p*ssy and that they are willing to learn intricate pathways to get to the woman's pants, which is similar to a thoughtful sperm learning intricate ways to get inside the egg, while the rest of them complain that the road inside the egg is so complex and hard.

No. This way of thinking simply assumes that men should learn how to better their situations with women, and stop acting like AFCs. And to learn to benefit from the advantages of the behavior.

But is f*cking really our highest purpose in life? Would we have the ability to think and rationalize if all we were supposed to do in life was f*ck? If it were, we wold just be like animals and we wold f*ck when we found a female in heat.

Hmmm, I thought this forum had something to do with sex. Doh!

Seriously, to take your biological standpoint, there is no higher purpose in life. You have your causality backwards. Both our rationalizing and our f•cking are adaptions that are selected for. Though this is a whole other topic.

 

[PlayerinTraining]

Originally posted by iqqi
it is retarded,stupid, irresponsible, that you assume a woman should take complete responsibility for something that takes a man as well as a woman to create. a woman can not become pregnant without a man.

Control over reproduction IS completely in the woman's power.

She can:
a) have the child
b) have an abortion
c) use some form of birth control.

Technnology has given women COMPLETE control over reproduction. This is described in the book _Decline of Males_

"Profound social changes over the last several decades are rooted in reproductive technology, which "has given enormous general power to women that has been translated beyond the family sphere," says Tiger. This is not an unequivocally positive development, he believes, and it has led to a slew of problems that include general family breakdown."

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t..._sbs_b_1/002-0520913-5157669?v=glance&s=books

You really should check out the link in an earlier post. There have been studies done in Europe that strongly suggest between 20-30% of children are not biologically related to the man the mother identifies as the father. About a third of women are LYING to the male about his responsibility as a father!

There are also countless cases where the woman tells the man she is on birth control, secretly stops taking it, gets pregnant, and then forces him to be a father, even though HE thought the BOTH agreed they didn't want children.

I do agree the man is responsible--he should never be foolish and take a woman at her word.

Bottomline: Women have complete control over reproduction. If a woman has a child, it is because SHE wants it. And if she wants it, she should take responsibility for it.

 

[Trogdawg]

A child is not an 'it'.

 

[legolas]

Originally posted by SourFox
Hmmm, I thought this forum had something to do with sex. Doh!

Seriously, to take your biological standpoint, there is no higher purpose in life. You have your causality backwards. Both our rationalizing and our f•cking are adaptions that are selected for. Though this is a whole other topic. [/B]

Hahahaha, I got tanged up in my own reasoning there. What I meant there is that, yeah sex is important and we should have it for fun, although it was not designed for that. But I know guys who spend their whole life perfecting some kind of system for picking up chicks, while having sex with as many of them as possible. If that lifestyle appeals to you, then there's no point in us arguing about this.

I see making a living on your own terms, as a pretty high purpose in life. It seems like we live in a free country, and there are so many choices and opportunities out there, but a lot of people still work at the same company they worked at 10, 15, even 20 years ago. And even though they can leave at any time, they choose to stay because it's way too scary out there. To me, that's not living life to it's fullest potential.

But then again this is off topic and another discussion thread.

I agree with you on the idea that AFCness is one of the causes of female pickiness, yet I can't help but ask "Isn't this the way our moms trained us?" We are trained in the ways of AFC since day one, as PlayerinTraining pointed out, and then women in the US complain that there aren't enough men out there. It's almost a conspiracy!!!

By the way, this site does not teach any particular system, or just techniques. This site focuses more on the self-improvement of males, and in changing their attitudes, which by the way should have been done from day 1 by our dads. But AFCdom has it's roots way back into the history, so most likely guys have AFC dads.

Oh and another thing, if you had a younger sister about to enter her "blooming" years, what would you tell her about guys? 9 times out of 10, her dad or you, her brother, will tell her that most guys are jerks and all they want is p*ssy so she should be selective and be careful.

 

[SourFox]

legolas—we seem to be on the same page, here.

Hahahaha, I got tanged up in my own reasoning there. What I meant there is that, yeah sex is important and we should have it for fun, although it was not designed for that. But I know guys who spend their whole life perfecting some kind of system for picking up chicks, while having sex with as many of them as possible. If that lifestyle appeals to you, then there's no point in us arguing about this.

Well, I would quibble that sex is not designed for anything...there are species of monkeys that have sex for fun also. As for lifestyles, I agree that every guy needs to choose his own terms and decide his own goals with women (also depending on his age), whether they are to become the next big cheese pickup artist, a simple healthy sex life, LTRs, or ONS.

I agree with you on the idea that AFCness is one of the causes of female pickiness, yet I can't help but ask "Isn't this the way our moms trained us?" We are trained in the ways of AFC since day one, as PlayerinTraining pointed out, and then women in the US complain that there aren't enough men out there. It's almost a conspiracy!!!

By the way, this site does not teach any particular system, or just techniques. This site focuses more on the self-improvement of males, and in changing their attitudes, which by the way should have been done from day 1 by our dads. But AFCdom has it's roots way back into the history, so most likely guys have AFC dads.

Oh and another thing, if you had a younger sister about to enter her "blooming" years, what would you tell her about guys? 9 times out of 10, her dad or you, her brother, will tell her that most guys are jerks and all they want is p*ssy so she should be selective and be careful.

Exactly...you are pointing out some excellent examples of the cultural conditioning I was talking about. Men aren't born AFCs, they are made AFCs; it is not really their fault. Women aren't picky just to piss us off, there are trained that way. I consider it a tragedy that women are actually being told that men only want them for their p•ssy. Yet, there are plenty of men who do only want sex, but the real tradegy is that men are so often forced to f*ck women who they don't like to just get a healthy amount of sex. So you can't really blame the guy for a f*ck&dump, if he can't get any girls he really wants a relationship with due to female bull****/pickiness. Then girls withhold sex more, guys withhold relationships more...and we have the mess that is the current sexual landscape, a mess we pay for, no less. Vicious cycles, vicious cycles.

 

[elvis aint dead yet]

While women can abort, use more protection and on and on,

DO NOT EVER SAY A GUY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT>



If you BANG some chic and she gets pregnant, DONT GO AND BLAME EVERYTHING ON SOME CHIC>


Yeah she might be another %HORE, but you BANGED her. Take some damn responsibility.


ANd i dont care what statistics you dig up, there are many DEADBEAT fathers in the world.

why? cause they thought they were PLAYA's who didnt have to take any responsibility.

You know what these fathers really are, nothing more then LOSERS. You can be an AFC or a DJ or whatever the hell you want, and you can blame the CHIC for stealing your money, ruining your life, getting pregnant and all that crap, BUT YOU BANGED HER.

Dont go and blame the world cause you did have something to do with it.

there are too many MOTHERS in the world who are &HORES and drug addicts and scum and there are too many FATHERS in the world who disappear as soon as they find out the girl's pregnant.

You want to have sex, YOU KNOW YOU MIGHT catch a disease or get some chic pregnant. TAKE some responsibilty even if the CHIC DOESN"T.


Dont blame the mother and ruin your own SONS or DAUGHTERS life cause you think your above the statistics.


you know what the statistics mean when your using it against your own child, it means your just another DEADBEAT FATHER who should spend the rest of his life in prison. Because your nothing more then a freaking loser.

Yes go out, get dna, blood tests and the works, but if the tests come back and it's YOUR KID, you better FREAKING change your life and stop blaming the world for something you played a part in.


I'm tired of all this talk about bettering yourself, when in fact, whats the point of being a DJ, when crap gets tough, YOU RUN LIKE A FREAKING PUZZY. You bang her, she gets pregnant, has yor kid, TAKE FREAKING CARE OF IT. STop whining it's her fault.

If you gonna do the crime, be prepared to do the TIME. And just
because the HO is a HO, doesn't mean your child should suffer.

So you find all these statistics that support your claim and then complain why the worlds filled with AFCs.

Well you know what, if you, as the FATHER of a girl or boy, runs for the border when you get some chic pregnant, HOW ARE YOU GOING to IMPROVE THE WORLD?

If your son hates you because your a deadbeat dad and is raised by some HO of a mom, what's the point of being a DJ.

Yeah my daddy was a DJ, but he's also a FREAKING AZZHOLE.

yeah I'm sure your son would want to be just like you.

It starts with one person at a time, and if you run when your girls pregnant, then your whole DJ philosophy is BULLCRAP!

 

[elvis aint dead yet]

and when you blame everything on WOMEN and the world,


how does that make you any different then a women, who blames everything on men and the world?

 

[THA REALNESS]

There is a big difference men (most ) don't lash out at women because they are frustated with them they AVOID them when they are in that " All women skanks " phase even if they get pissed off at some hoe they won't take it out on another broad.

But when it comes to women ...OH Boy! They take it out ON EVERY MAN IN SIGHT YOUNG OR OLD.

For example,how many times have you been to th DMV or the BANK where it's mostly women working ?

Every fukking day they are all pissed off at men and treat you like **** right in front of your face for no reason . You go to an auto-shop or a hardware store (mostly men) do you see those guys openly bad-mouthing women?(in front of women)and treating them like ****? NO ,why? Because men are rational creatures.

Ok,now let's say a guy treats a women like **** and cusses her off in front of peopel for no reason other than he's pissed of at a girl ....**** if he's not careful about what he says he'll probably get some jail time over it! and that's fair?

The fukking double standard works for them on EVERYTHING . FUkk Facts it's common sense : Employers,Schools,Judicial System,Goverment ..Everyone choses women over men.No matter what the women does they are graded on a curve by life and they don't take advantage .Why ? Because women are irrational creatures ...They are the immature ones.


**** a *****(a moderatley attractive one) doesn't even have to work for a living !! Men(most) are more then willing to take care of a broad.She don't even gotta chase guys just show up and give a guy a clear signal that you like him and she 's approachable she'll bag him . They got is easy ..Don't beleive the hype! When you look at it women ARE supposed to be running the world ,they get everything they want and then THEY FUKKING LIVE LONGER ...and they piss it all away because their attitude .

That's why they Don't run **** .They are taught to be emotionally reckless and they always fukk it up.


FUKK DUMP BUMP.

 

[ShortTimer]

Originally posted by elvis aint dead yet
While women can abort, use more protection and on and on,

DO NOT EVER SAY A GUY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT>

No one has ever said that, try actually reading the replies.

Originally posted by elvis aint dead yet
If you BANG some chic and she gets pregnant, DONT GO AND BLAME EVERYTHING ON SOME CHIC>

Children do not get born because men shoot loads. Humans are conceived because of that, but it takes the decision of a woman to bring about the inevitable.

So, yes, the blame lies with women because it is their bodies that host the fetus and it is their minds that decide to "choose life."

I don't know why that logic is so hard for people to follow.

Originally posted by elvis aint dead yet
Yeah she might be another %HORE, but you BANGED her. Take some damn responsibility.

That responcibility should be proportional to what you did. You didn't MAKE her have the baby. You shot a load and anything her body did with it after it left you is all up to her. Here is the real issue you want to avoid: men have at least 1/2 the responcibility to their child but NONE of the choice when it comes to their child.

Originally posted by elvis aint dead yet
ANd i dont care what statistics you dig up, there are many DEADBEAT fathers in the world.

******** translation: I don't care about reality, I'm going to believe what I want to believe.

Originally posted by elvis aint dead yet
You know what these fathers really are, nothing more then LOSERS. You can be an AFC or a DJ or whatever the hell you want, and you can blame the CHIC for stealing your money, ruining your life, getting pregnant and all that crap, BUT YOU BANGED HER.

Sex does not equal pregnancy. Welcome to the 21st century wher women have all the choices and power and men don't have any of either.

Originally posted by elvis aint dead yet
You want to have sex, YOU KNOW YOU MIGHT catch a disease or get some chic pregnant. TAKE some responsibilty even if the CHIC DOESN"T.

That's why you pay for her abortion. Which, btw is the only 100% birth control known to man. What's interesting is this:

Woman wants to have child. Man has no rights.
Woman doesn't want to have child. Man has no rights.
Man has NO say in the process but gives up 1/2 to 2/3rds of his salary for the next 18 years, somehow the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

Originally posted by elvis aint dead yet
you know what the statistics mean when your using it against your own child, it means your just another DEADBEAT FATHER who should spend the rest of his life in prison. Because your nothing more then a freaking loser.

What are you talking about? Women are so independant now! Just look at the *****s on Sex in the City! GIRL POWER!

Originally posted by elvis aint dead yet
Yes go out, get dna, blood tests and the works, but if the tests come back and it's YOUR KID, you better FREAKING change your life and stop blaming the world for something you played a part in.

How about when it's not my DNA in there but I still have to pay because the law says that any child born to my wife is mine no matter who impregnated her? Clever that.

Originally posted by elvis aint dead yet
Yeah my daddy was a DJ, but he's also a FREAKING AZZHOLE.

Now here is the real reason for all your bitterness. You should really have those issues resolved.

 

[iqqi]

Originally posted by ShortTimer
the blame lies with women because it is their bodies that host the fetus and it is their minds that decide to "choose life." ......

well, i remember your arguments from a previous discussion a few months back. so i know that it is no use to argue with you, this is obviously a belief of yours. but it is disgusting to me that you think like this. but hey! that is the beauty of the world.

people are different. with different realities and beliefs and ways of being.

and once again, i am grateful there are such differences in men.

Originally posted by ShortTimer
I don't know why that logic is so hard for people to follow.

i will try to make one last point before i head out. a lot of the view i have read on this tread regarding beliefs, have truly disgusted me.


1. people are all different. and it does not all have to do with their gender.
2. people treat you bad only if you allow them too.
3. you get what you give.
4. why the hell are you hung up on what someone else is doing? you should be focused on yourself.
5. you create your own reality.

peace out.

 

[iqqi]

one more thing

one more thing, i think a lot of people won't bother posting here because it is such a lost cause. the only reason i did was because it was funny to me, so pathetic, it all started out as a joke.

i know i would not have bothered if it wasn't for me being sick and out of my mind, har har har.

peace guys, power to ya. don't let them evil wimmens get cha!

 

[WestCoaster]

Iqqi, only YOU can make excuses, right?

Yeah, when I'm sick I usually get on the internet and start calling people p-ssies.

You say we need to take responsibility and not make excuses, yet you excuse a sickness for trashing people here.

I think you have something to contribute so I hope you contribute something worthwhile next time besides insults and excuses.

The initial post here was titled wrong, but it did have some good points. I think it was dealing more with women's behavior than how they actually turn men into AFC's.

Right now the U.S. world is designed for women and made for men to look bad. If you don't believe it, watch TV sometime. Some of us are tired of it.

 

[iqqi]

Re: Iqqi, only YOU can make excuses, right?

Originally posted by WestCoaster
Yeah, when I'm sick I usually get on the internet and start calling people p-ssies.

hahaha, i love being sick....it is SO fun, almost like being drunk! but i wasn't making any excuses. i meant everything i said, i only apologized if i hurt anyone's feelings with my more vulger vocabulary, seeing as alot of the men on this thread seem...so fragile and easy to hurt....

Originally posted by WestCoaster
The initial post here was titled wrong, but it did have some good points. I think it was dealing more with women's behavior than how they actually turn men into AFC's.

i didn't come on here blaming anyone, i was just calling you out. if you want to say someone is to blame for their own behavior, i agree, but leave it at that! don't blame anyone else for the way you turned out (and that was done alot here on this thread). you made the choice to be the way you are. you made the choice to learn whatever fcuked up lessons you learned.

this whole thing makes me sad.

 

[iqqi]

Re: Iqqi, only YOU can make excuses, right?

Originally posted by WestCoaster
If you don't believe it, watch TV sometime.

hahaha, am i the only one who thinks that this sentence is fcuking funny as hell!?

yes! not sad anymore!