How to pickup 30-40 years old women as a younger guy?

[crowolf]

New data on the subject. Consider this a mini field report:

Spring is here (sort of). Saturday + a very nice weather. I go outside with a wingman. First time meeting this guy from another forum. Cool dude. We walk around, talk game, etc... At one point I saw a woman that I find attractive. And she was wearing a lot of red. And she looked my way a couple of times (I was on a bench with this guy, while she was 20m away, entering and leaving a shop for healthy foods). Let's say she is an 8-8.5, around 35 years old.

Anyway, after some 15 min. of waiting her to pop out of 1 shop, then another, I approached her down the street. First set of the day and also first one in 2 weeks. I state my intent, tell her that she looks different from everybody around, and let her feel the good vibe + confident masculine energy. We talk some basic stuff, I tease her, she giggles, etc... She asked questions back, which is always a good sign. Then we proceed to walk for 10-15 minutes under the premise that I'm waiting for a friend to call me. Interaction was good, we had shared interests, and even built some connection (which is not so usual for a 5 min. since meeting someone).

But dammit, at one point as I was talking, I slipped something concerning my age. And this f*ckd everything up. I quickly realized that I screwed myself by bringing this topic. Then she started inquiring about my age. I didn't tell her. She didn't want to guess. Then for the next 5 minutes or so, as we are walking (I am leading the whole way btw, and she follows obediently) the whole conversation was around me not wanting to tell my age, and she wanting me to tell my age. Lol, what a childish bs that is, really, looking at it from the side.

Somewhere around that point she asked me if I live nearby. Maybe she thought I am leading her to my place. And felt unsafe by my unwillingness to share my age. I told her the truth - I don't live exactly here, but I live on a walking distance from here. Then turned back to her with a challenging/teasing question about her living in the dodgy hoods of the city or something.. She didn't know the name of this park, even if it was a very central place. Strange. She said that she doesn't go out much.

So, at this point we were searching for water. Found a shop and I went there. She waited for me outside. I wondered if she is going to leave but she didn't. Then I came back, and the topic still was stuck on my age. I tried to change it a couple of times, but she was so fixated on that. Maybe I should have just told her my age, and not worry if she is gonna reject me because of that. Instead of going through all of this bs.

Then I got a call from the friend that I was about to see shortly (I have parted ways with my wingman since I got on this set. he didn't mind, we discussed the possible scenario earlier). And soon we were heading in different directions with this woman. I told her I'm gonna get her contacts, so we can continue there. Not a strong close, but It's normal for a first set, which is that dizzy. I even mentioned I can tell her my age over text (that's really silly, I know). Regardless, she was staying in front of me with crossed legs, somewhat intrigued by my dominant demeanor. She said one thing, and got an attitude, but her whole body language was saying another.

Even if a bit earlier she got visibly frustrated that I don't tell her my age and she spilled out how: 1) she has a boyfriend, 2) bla-bla...., 3) she was talking to me because I seemed like a positive person (maybe she lacked attraction or was sh1t testing or whatever). I didn't react, just laughed it off afterwards and teased her for how fast she boils up. But I felt played that she is telling me about her "boyfriend" 15 min. into the set, when I stated my intent at least a couple of times, and my whole existence sends signals to her of "you know very well why I am talking to you"...

Clearly I dodged a bullet with this one but I still need to find a solution for the age "problem". Maybe I should have just owned it, and told her "I'm X years old. hope you are not too old for me. if yes, you should at least cook well" haha.

So I didn't get her number and I told her bye. Then I didn't want to approach another set because my energy was drained from this interaction.

 

[Drmuscular]

Hope you find more on this, I do think that because they are looking for a provider at that stage of life they will rarely pay you attention unless you are HOT enough or they are actively looking to cheat or "sex tourism" (yes I've been asked for that, gladly accepted haha!) or are somehow single and reaaally want sex, for one reason or another they will just see you as a harmless kid and be flattered but ultimately reject you.

Personally never had success with this even though some of them are gorgeous and more mature (less games and stupid shid).

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Sometimes I tend to find women that are slightly older than me attractive.

Ain't nothing wrong with it.

Let’s say I’m 25 years old, and they are 30-35 or sometimes even around 40s. I’ve cold approached some of those but it never got anywhere. They showed some interest throughout the interaction, and I've even got a few numbers but they didn’t respond to my texts afterwards.

These are rejections.

It has happened to me, too.

That is why, as a rule of thumb..I suggest that..

Instead of getting their numbers..

You give them your number.

If you provide them your number, you'll know that if you are contacted by them, that they have a genuine interest in you.

This by itself is not enough of evidence that I won't have success with these women anytime soon, but even in the sets oftentimes they will hear my age, and then just have the mental block, on a logical level, that this man-to-woman thing between us is not going to happen.

Yeah, the mental block .

I've been there, too.

And they usually share their objections in the conversation. Or it just might be an excuse for their lack of attraction to me, but I can't confirm that yet. Most of them seemed somewhat intrigued.

That's what Ive been trying to tell dudes...most (virtually all) of the interactions I've had with women during cold approach have been positive...even the rejections (in fact, most of the rejections).

The women are often intrigued, flattered, pleasantly surprised, and some have even blushed.

These are all genuine, sincere feelings in real time.

I know that according to social conditioning and hypergamy, it doesn't make sense that an attractive 30-35 years old woman will date a younger guy who is nowhere near her "level" in the main fields of life. In my mind, I think such a woman would be aiming at successful men at their peak SMV, who can provide luxurious experiences for her, raise her status in society, grant her access to opportunities, build a family with her, and treat her like an experienced man would (?)

I do believe that social conditioning plays a role in the female mindset and to a certain degree, even hypergamy.

But I dont believe that either are the majority.

I am of the belief that physical attraction breaks through both of those barriers more often than not.

And so according to my logic, the only thing I can provide them in such case is: good time, adventure, emotions, "fun" + the fact that I boldly approach them in public and try to seduce them without hiding my intentions, which they seldom experience in this way. However, most of them seem to be already over that fun phase, and now are more pragmatic than ever. I guess the only possible path to success in such a scenario is to "game" them hard, have a strong masculine frame, be smooth, and avoid at all cost everything logical. But since they are more mature, this is not that easy.

I agree.

Game, strong masculine frame (mental and physical) smooth...and avoiding her logic, while maintaining yours.

Once you can captivate their minds with those^, their bodies will follow.

(I haven't tried it lately, so more evidence might be needed to get a full sense of how it works or why it doesn't. Might post updates here later this year.)

What's your take on this?

Yes, keep us updated.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Sometimes I tend to find women that are slightly older than me attractive. Let’s say I’m 25 years old, and they are 30-35 or sometimes even around 40s

What's your take on this?

Give Schema Focused Therapy a whirl. You may have Mommy Issues

 

[MatureDJ]

Guys in their 30s who don't get puzzy its because they haven't done anything in life for them. A moderate successful guy with some game can get puzzy anywhere from 18 to 45. And like you said most men in their 30s aren't well put together

What if that guy is short?

 

[MatureDJ]

There was a time in my early 30's where I dated a lot of women that were 5-10yrs older. At the time I found them more attractive than girls in their 20's. To me, they were more alluring, more physically developed, more confident, and they dressed sexier. All I cared about was good times, fun, and sex. I didn't want anything long term. Most of my relationships in that era didn't last more than a few months and I was onto the next.

The difficulty I ran into was when it came to sex. These women that were older than me, always drug their feet. Being younger, they saw me as a toy and automatically suspected all I was after was pu$$y.....and I sort of was. They required more time, more dates, more convincing them that I wasn't going to pump and dump. After investing in them and not getting any sehx I put a few of them on notice. Only had one that wasn't willing to have sex the next time we saw each other. I also can't deny the fact, that I lacked a lot of experience when it came to seducing and understanding women so that played a part as well.

It's my friend's experience, when he was in his 40s, with dating any chick that a bar acquaintance would set him up with (this guy is akin to Norm from "Cheers", so he knew a lot of folks, although not roly-poly, LOL) was that on the 2nd, maybe 3rd date, they would make it extraordinarily easy, like getting back to her place and quickly changing their attire to just a bathrobe, etc. . These gals were on a mission (pun intended). He said that recent grandmothers were especially easy.

 

[MatureDJ]

Why would you want to get 30-40 year old women if you are under 30? Enjoy the 20 something pussie while it is relatively easier for you to get.

What if the only non-fat chicks that give him any IOI are the cougars?

 

[MatureDJ]

A 50 year old woman basically demands the same as an 18 year old woman. Ofcourse we can argue there will be nuances, but in general ALL women now want the same: a somewhat good-looking man who can take care of himself, carries himself with confidence and can "handle " a woman.

You won't get an easier way out, sorry OP.

It's OVER for WaitingUntilItGetsEasierCels.

 

[MatureDJ]

Ya gotta look the part.

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Yes, just be born with every millimeter of bone and every frontal-scalp follicle being perfect.