YEP.. very true. I remember back in 2008 when Hillary Clinton was running against Obama and a lot of women I know hated Obama and thought he was trash.Who Dares Win said:The concept of respect requires from someone to consider someone's effort and/or be grateful for that.
Since most of women cannot tell sh1t from choccolate when it comes of behaving while taking for granted anything anyone does to them, the real base of respect do not exist.
What I suggest to aim at is not "respect" but more "being seen at the top of the food chain", this is much more congenial to females in general.
If you screw up your country but manage to get elected again you're on, if you fix your country then leave because you can no longer have the mental strengh to rule it right then you're off, hope this example is clear.
The one who cares the least has the power. So very true and some kum in the eyes helps as wellHowiestern said:I'm still trying to figure out the exact recipe, although I've made some great strides in this area. After going thru one failed marriage, multiple short term girls, and a few long term relationships, here is what I have realized:
1. Respect isn't something embedded in a woman's DNA like it is a man's. Respect, honor, loyalty....those are all male traits. I've finally had to accept this.
2. Be very "firm" from the start. Define what is acceptable/not acceptable right away because once the cat is out of the bag its not going back in. You might as well throw in the towel.
3. Just go ahead and be yourself from the start. If you aren't romantic, don't pretend to be. If you are a cheap/thrifty bastard, don't pretend that you like spending money. If you like to fart and drink beer then let it rip on the first date!
4. When she pulls b.s. on you, call her out on it. Yes I know we are all typical guys who prefer to just let things slide and not make a big deal out of an issue because we don't want the **** storm of drama that comes with it, but just realize that all of their kicking and screaming is just "noise". Most of it doesn't mean a damn thing. Letting her get away with poor behavior breeds more poor behavior.
5. Treat them like dogs. Reward them with affection when they do good, scold them when they act out. Eventually all you will have to do is raise your hand and they will know whats up.
6. Understand most women are like small children. Treat them so.
7. Set the expectations high. Oh sure she will ***** and moan but let her, they are all natural complainers. She will still try to meet those expectations.
8. Let her care more about the relationship than you do. The minute you care more about it than she does will be the beginning of the end. Women are the needy ones who need relationships, so be a man and let her be a woman.
The one who cares the least always has the most power. You might think this is harsh but it works. Its kind of like buying a car. The minute you get needy and start caring too much about buying some new vehicle you will get screwed. The ones who get the best deals and what they want are the ones who don't care and have the ability to walk away when they don't get what they want.
9. Never be afraid to walk away. Once she figures this out she'll keep her trap shut more often.
10. Don't go over board on compliments on how great she looks, etc.
11. Don't ever buy them new boobs unless you want to get rid of them.
12. Kum in her hair.
Tell her a little about yourself, but not too much. Maintain some mystery. Give her something to think about and wonder about when she's at home.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
Great stuff overall GotED? Very good stuff.GotED? said:RULE #5: Generate positive feelings with her. A woman's hamster spins rapidly and out of control most of the time. Women having to join the workforce just in the last 50-60 years is not something natural for them. Women by nature can not handle stress and work responsibility the way men are designed to take mentally and emotionally. You need to make sure you = FUN and HAPPY in her experience with you. Never let boredom settle in, or else your arse will be out the door soon enough. Always laugh together, enjoy fun things together; it doesn't require money always, just good companionship. Women wants a man who will SPEND time with her, period.
I agree, cause I deal with this myself. I feel like once your in a LTR, the man is usually the one who has to continue proving himself and if it loses control, that when the lady begins feeling entitled. But, I don't see a problem with that if its being reciprocated. I won't mind "pedalizing" my lady every now and then (NOT ALL THE TIME) cause I see she does the same to me from time to time.PlayHer Man said:Great stuff overall GotED? Very good stuff.
I only take some issue with rule #5 above.
I don't believe that you as a man should be responsible for the emotional health of another adult. You should not have to be her dancing clown with the job of keeping her "happy" at all times. To me.. THAT is AFC. Oh no! Can't make my girl mad! Can't let her feel sad or bored or else she might suck another man's c0ck!
This is why I'm more in the "hump and dump" crowd and less in the LTR crowd.
To be in a successful LTR with a woman.. you have to give more than you will get in return. You have to pedestalize the woman on some level. Its easy to say "make her earn it".. but this only works for so long. Eventually... by committing to you and giving you regular sex.. all women become ENTITLED.
They will believe they own you and its your job to prove over and over to them that you are still "worthy" of her p*ssy.
A woman believes she only has to "prove herself" ONCE.. but a woman also believes a man must prove himself on a daily basis.
Love it.Slickster said:I will give you an example.
Years ago I started dating this really hot chick who obviously had a lot of dudes chasing her. The kind of chick who drives guys nuts.
It was probably our 4th date and I guess she started feeling comfortable around me so instead of being on her best behaviour she pulled some bullshyt.
I picked her up and the plan was to get dinner. She gets in the car and asks where we are going. I tell her XYZ. She says in this bratty tone "No I don't wanna go there". So I say okay how about QRS. Same response but even more bratty. I suggest a third place and she shoots that down too.
Now most guys she dated would probably say "Fine where do you want to go?" and it would probably start a fight. She would get her way and at that very instant her respect would be lost.
Instead I just swung the car around and parked right back in front of her place. She asked what are you doing? I said "Get out I don't wanna hang out with you if you're acting like that."
Right away she started apologizing profusely and almost begging me not to kick her out. We ended up going to XYZ and throughout the entire time I dated that chick (about 6 months) she never once tested me again.
You need to nip that sh!t in the bud RIGHT AWAY! The moment respect is lost the relationship is OVER. How many guys lose respect right away and then get strung along for months or even years while she is basically looking for a bigger better deal from some other guy who demands respect?
Be prepared to walk at the first sign of disrespect no matter how small. Make a point of telling her that sh!t won't fly with you ever. Watch how your relationships with women will change.
Most guys are afraid of losing her at this point but if you don't stand up for yourself you've already lost her anyways. It's a win-win.
Be alphaglass half full said:I would like to start a positive thread, on how to get respect from the woman we are beginning a relationship with. Tired of repeatedly experiencing, and reading of others having this problem and not really knowing how to do this with today's femcvnts.
This seems to be a "thing" with all men @ some point in their relationship with a woman. So lets try to figure out a good game plan we can use to de-fuse this bomb. Any ideas?
woman: I am therefore love meglass half full said:I would like to start a positive thread, on how to get respect from the woman we are beginning a relationship with. Tired of repeatedly experiencing, and reading of others having this problem and not really knowing how to do this with today's femcvnts.
This seems to be a "thing" with all men @ some point in their relationship with a woman. So lets try to figure out a good game plan we can use to de-fuse this bomb. Any ideas?
my1ken said:You do realize that ''today's women'' see *respect* as a sign of weakness from a man?
Gotta bump this. I realise there's some negativity towards women on these boards but this thread talks of women as though they're twisted, evil creatures out to destroy men, ha. Granted there are a large number like that but jesus christ not every woman is evil..synergy1 said:Good lord, way too much negativity regarding women on this thread. disrespectful *******s exist on both sides here, not just women. Maybe just because women disrespected YOU doesn't mean that for the rest of us. Lets focus on what we can do:
Men lead and women follow. This dynamic is easily seen in social circles where women make their friends based on the interactions guys have. In my own life, I have seen multiple women become bestest friends because us (as guys) introduced them and led the way. With that in mind, rather than try and enlist respect directly from women, its much easier to earn respect of the group ( read men) - women will follow without question. When I go out and socialize with groups of people I don't know, I focus first on earning some sort of respect from the guys in the group. Once that happens, the women will look at you with puppy dog eyes since they see their male friends looking up to you in a way, which in turn means they will follow.
Its not to say be a kiss ass. Rather, be a good conversationalist, knowledgeable, and likable. Don't be the dude who ONLY focuses on the women of the group as this will earn you disrespect from everyone, which in turn means women won't find you attractive in that way. We all know who we are talking about .. the guys who come up to your friends and only focus on the women. You dislike them. They are dislikable. Conversely, think of random people who actually added something interesting to an otherwise regular evening. If I wasn't trying for the chick in our social group, I'd try and set them up...why not?
There needs to be less venom towards women, and more of what works. Not all women are as evil as depicted ( there are some real pieces of work out there for sure).
Very good post,thank you.GotED? said:I have been on SS for over 6 months and I have to say this is probably the most important thread so far that every guy on here need to adhere to. There's truth to every poster on this thread, and I will pitch in my experience after 40 years, most of them beta-fagg0t like and I am guilty as charged.
However I have learned the secret to dealing with women after all the trial and error, I will only give you the Golden Rules I abide by, the rest fluctuates depending on the woman you are with (some chronological order in this)
RULE #1 - Start with GOOD STOCK as Colossus said. It is much harder to re-design a HO and teach her how NOT to open her legs to everyone other than yourself. This takes many 'NO's to women in dating before you accept the right one (that's right, dont' settle for 'convenience' of women coming into your life and fall in love with them, be selective)
RULE #2 - Establish your frame early on. You can never do it again later. Women don't want to have their nails painted pink and then later forced to get them painted blue just because you decide on it. Establishing frame means NIPPING SH!T behavior in the bud. Some poster said, women are like children - mentally once you get to know a woman intimately, there is ALWAYS a youthful, girly side to them ALL. They just put on the mask of adult-likeness during the daytime and with strangers. They require conditioning, like Pavlov-The-Dog, but you need to figure it out with HBx-The-****t and make her behave.
RULE #3 - Establish a deep emotional connection. Another poster mentioned he has p0rn ridden women for hours and still he earned no respect. This is TRUE. Women need a deep emotional connection with a man to hold respect and loyalty. You have to provide some vulnerability and allow her to access some deep parts of you, but only by perception (perception IS reality). Make her think she's got SOME of you but never all of you (or else you are fooked). This is not an AFC move. This is critical if you want a LTR. But if you are into hump & dump, don't come on here crying about not getting respect. You are picking to ride a Pinto instead of a Cadillac and expect leather interior for your soft arse.
RULE #4: Generate the perception of value in her eyes. You MUST always create the perception that you are highly wanted and valued by all women. Women are fiercely competitive with each other. They all want the man that ALL women want. You need to (not by actual action or else that will generate huge insecurity, some women lack confidence and will dump you because they don't think they can keep your interest) talk and act that you ALWAYS have options and other women and she's not 'THE ONE' bullsh!t . And you should be never afraid to walk away from her (or threaten to) as a lot of posters have said.
RULE #5: Generate positive feelings with her. A woman's hamster spins rapidly and out of control most of the time. Women having to join the workforce just in the last 50-60 years is not something natural for them. Women by nature can not handle stress and work responsibility the way men are designed to take mentally and emotionally. You need to make sure you = FUN and HAPPY in her experience with you. Never let boredom settle in, or else your arse will be out the door soon enough. Always laugh together, enjoy fun things together; it doesn't require money always, just good companionship. Women wants a man who will SPEND time with her, period.
RULE #6: RESPECT CHEMISTRY. That is the 'unknown' which is irreplaceable. Sometimes you just have to understand, some woman you are with has just that natural 'hotness' for each other and you just can't get enough. While other women, you have to imagine another women in your mind while you are doing it to get it up and going. Sometimes, despite all the SS-uaveness you have in your blood, it just won't work. CHEMISTRY is that unpredictable attraction (or lack of) that will determines how much effort you need to put in, or to let it go. It is totally out of your hands.
RULE #7: RESPECT AND LOVE YOURSELF. Don't ever let anyone treat you worse than your own dog.
With respect,
Exodus