How to fix the n00b problem and give a good idea on who knows their stuff

[MetalFortress]

1) To fix the newbie problem? A board for rookies. This was suggested by someone else, and I love the idea. Don't ban someone from posting til after a certain amount of time, just make sure that newbie threads stay in the newbie forum and move if necessary.

2) Reputation system. vB3 has it. You give someone good rep points if you like their post, and bad rep if you dislike it. This way, post count doesn't matter one bit, but you instead give someone reputation based on if their tip is good or not. It would be even better if your reputation, rather than your post count, determines the "Don Juan/Senior Don Juan/Master Don Juan" user titles rank (with real low reps going into AFC/WBAFC)

 

[comic_relief]

Double_Diamonds professionalism has what you are talking about over at Crazykid's new site

A board for rookies, a board for the more advanced, and it keeps getting more advanced as time goes on. (This will stop the newbie b!tching ) but I do like the rating systems. I think that this idea was debated before hand though and not put into effect. (I could be wrong)

Click onto a crazykid link to get to get onto his website.

Have fun

 

[Ever onward]

Hey I'm a newbie and I fully admit it. I don't know jack about women! I do however get tired of "Master DJ's" *****ing about newbie's posts.

You know I may not be on the same level as many people on this board CLAIM to be but I have valid situations that I could use some help with. Because I'm an AFC, does that mean that my problems or situations aren't as important as everyone else's?

Maybe a rookie forum would be in order so us new guys don't disturb the "delicate Dj's" on this board with our pathetic attempts at gettting better with women.

 

[Capi Crimini]

I do however get tired of "Master DJ's" *****ing about newbie's posts.

I honestly answer newb questions... But you have to understand that hearing the same question over and over again gets anoying...

Anyway... I doubt anything will be done... Alex tends to be lacksadaisical with the forementioned sit. inde, you'll probably just have to deal with it.

C. make a test and once anyone passes with accuracy 70%^ they can use the higher DJ boards or get a DJ rating...

I have the programs availible You'd just need to type up some questions.

 

[Ever onward]

I honestly answer newb questions... But you have to understand that hearing the same question over and over again gets anoying...

I'm sure it can get annoying but everyone's situation is unique even if similar in some respects to earlier posts. I thank you and members like you who are helpful to us new guys. But sometimes it seems we can't even make a post without getting *****ed out. If the more experienced guys don't want to deal with us then they don't have to read our posts and could stop acting like they own the place and constantly griping. Can't we all just get along?

But seriously I think it would be nice to have a forum for new members where we can ask our questions without getting our heads bit off.

 

[Eternal]

Maybe a list of peoples favorite posters could help too. I mean, if people see "wow, all these people like THIS guy, he must know his stuff!" Or, you know, we could keep thinking...

 

[Capi Crimini]

But seriously I think it would be nice to have a forum for new members where we can ask our questions without getting our heads bit off.

What would the fun be?

Maybe a list of peoples favorite posters could help too. I mean, if people see "wow, all these people like THIS guy, he must know his stuff!" Or, you know, we could keep thinking...

People that come to mind.....
i really havn't seen to much new stuff since I've been here. 99% of the stuff that gets proclaimed is basic knoledge by no0bs... I know you see that too... sometimes for fun I'll proclaim something as a new idea that anyone knows, at least those who read the bible, has been stated ten times before.

And then watch four or five people say it's a great new idea

Anyway... Hmmmm..... I'll create a no0b forum on invision free. if thats what you guys want....

 

[squirrels]

Originally posted by crazykid
Maybe a list of peoples favorite posters could help too. I mean, if people see "wow, all these people like THIS guy, he must know his stuff!" Or, you know, we could keep thinking...

Heh, maybe a FAQ forum...any time a question starts coming up a lot, answer the question one place, and move it to an easy-to-find FAQ forum...then tell people to check there first before posting. And if they still post there, give them the link to the appropriate FAQ thread and lock the post.

There really shouldn't NEED to be a FAQ forum, though.

I know there have been a hell of a lot of times in the past week alone where I've went digging for an old post so I can link it to a new poster because I didn't feel like typing the same stuff.

Originally posted by Ever onward
I'm sure it can get annoying but everyone's situation is unique even if similar in some respects to earlier posts.

No, you all THINK your situation is unique...or want to BELIEVE your situation is unique and it's not as simple as the articles and the DJ Bible and all the other threads lay it out for you. 99% of the time, your case, despite being "unique", has nothing in it that makes it fundamentally different from all the rest.

But a lot of new people just don't recognize that yet, so it IS OK to ask questions. What we need to do is not stop newbies from asking questions, but create an easier way to forward answers to simple questions. Thus the FAQ idea. There are a lot of these questions that pop up again and again, mostly troubleshooting crap, that isn't in the "Bible."

 

[Ever onward]

No, you all THINK your situation is unique...or want to BELIEVE your situation is unique and it's not as simple as the articles and the DJ Bible and all the other threads lay it out for you. 99% of the time, your case, despite being "unique", has nothing in it that makes it fundamentally different from all the rest.

I have read the DJ Bible and I often do searches but that doesn't mean I don't have unique experiences that I want to post or talk about. If people's experiences with women weren't "unique" and everything is "fundamentally" the same how come there isn't a fool proof method for meeting women that works every single time?

If you've been here so long that none of this is new to you anymore and you already have all the knowledge that you need, why do you still come here? No offense.

Can't we all just post on the same forum without b1tching at each other? That's life I suppose.

 

[Eternal]

Originally posted by Capi Crimini
Anyway... Hmmmm..... I'll create a no0b forum on invision free. if thats what you guys want....

*Cough**Cough* Way ahead of you man...

 

[diablo]

Adding a rating feature to the board is an excellent idea. It will have multiple benefits - for one, the amount of *good* advice given will skyrocket, and you'll find that more and more posts are becoming useful and engaging - not just random spam or repetitive whining. Also, I'd think that people wouldn't post as frequently when they knew that for each post they made, they had the potential to be rated down. Of course, you might have people who do nothing but create tons of useless threads (not like there aren't any of those already on this board *cough*), but I'm positive that this would be short lived as they would find their points dropping drastically. One last thing - isn't there something like this called 'karma' on other boards?

 

[Eternal]

Originally posted by [T]he ishop
Adding a rating feature to the board is an excellent idea. It will have multiple benefits - for one, the amount of *good* advice given will skyrocket, and you'll find that more and more posts are becoming useful and engaging - not just random spam or repetitive whining. Also, I'd think that people wouldn't post as frequently when they knew that for each post they made, they had the potential to be rated down. Of course, you might have people who do nothing but create tons of useless threads (not like there aren't any of those already on this board *cough*), but I'm positive that this would be short lived as they would find their points dropping drastically. One last thing - isn't there something like this called 'karma' on other boards?

By rating, who would rate? How would you decide? How do you make sure people don't rate thier own stuff over and over? Or other people rate over and over?

Also, other sites do have karma. Same question and situation though.

 

[diablo]

I'd say let there be an option to rate each individual post. If your IP matches the IP used to post whatever post it is you're voting on, your vote isn't counted. If you've already voted for a post, your vote won't count. If your account matches the account used to make a post, your vote doesn't count. (This will mean that if someone gets on their account on a different computer, it won't help them out any - obviously they could make a new account, but it would be rather tedious and odds are good that it wouldn't be abused). After all, there is no reward system for getting a higher rating - sure, you can manipulate things so that you vote yourself up - but if you have a low score to begin with, there's probably a good reason for that - your advice sucks. Having a higher score thru fraud won't change the fact that nobody's going to listen to what you have to say. Also voting accordingly.

Because of the possibility of being voted down, people will think before they post. There won't be these "get a life and go into the field" one-liner replies to some of the questions posed. Instead, they'll either hold their tongues or actually give constructive criticism.

That's just my take on things...

 

[Caveman]

I agree with [T]he ishop. The only problem i still see with this system (no system is waterproof) is that already some guys get praised for comments that are completely off. Still i believe it is better than noobs listening to MDJs just because they are MDJs AND it most probably WILL stop the one line replies just so they can make another post.

 

[Capi Crimini]

is that already some guys get praised for comments that are completely off.

I don't think newbs should be aloud to vote. I notice newbs praise pointless posts more often...

Or posts that only say whats been said....

I wouldn't mind... Unless you get a bad rating for posting pointless things....

then where would I be

 

[diablo]

How do you determine who a noob is and who isn't? Would you say that anyone with less than 50 posts is a noob? What if the only posts they make are 2 pages long, filled with numerous new ideas, strategies, and insight? What about people who have 720 posts, and have yet to make something worth reading - spending all of their time with spam threads and the like? Just because they have a high post count, does this mean that their vote should count more - that they are some experienced DJ?

Obviously, there's no realistic way to determine who's inexperienced and who is... it's definitely not a perfect system but it's the best we've got on the drawing board...

 

[Dirtheart]

Adding a rating feature to the board is an excellent idea. It will have multiple benefits - for one, the amount of *good* advice given will skyrocket, and you'll find that more and more posts are becoming useful and engaging - not just random spam or repetitive whining. Also, I'd think that people wouldn't post as frequently when they knew that for each post they made, they had the potential to be rated down.

I agree and it might reduce the amount of theories coming off the top of people's heads and maybe even some of the abusive replies.

Perhaps there could be a hall of fame or an ongoing chart system where people can rank their favourite posters.

I must admit when I first came to this board I thought EVERYONE knew more than me, when the truth is many of them were newbies just like myself. Unfortunately, I trusted their advice too easily at times.

 

[Survivor]

A reputation system would be distracting to the real purpose of why you are here; which should be to improve yourself as it relates to your relationships with women and girls in the real world. You are not here to establish an online persona. Neither are you to give too much respect to those who have establish such a persona. Cause at the end of the day, its just a message board, people.

Then you'd have the problem of naive noobs giving rep points to the WRONG people. If a reputation system existed, that would mean that we should not listen to anything Gunwitch says, since his appearances and post count are so low. How much sense does that make?

Internet hiearchies should be the least of our problems. In fact if I owned this site I'd get rid of the silly "Don Juan","Senior Don Juan" and "Master Don Juan" titles we have now.

 

[diablo]

Get rid of the post counts while you're at it.

As for the Gunwitch argument, his rating would be astronomical. You're forgetting each forum member would have the ability to rate once each post by every other member than themselves. This means that, even though Gunwitch has relatively few posts, his "status" would go thru the roof with 1k+ members rating him on his one thread "The Gunwitch Method". What he lacks in quantity would be made up for in quality.

That being said, I agree with you - but as this is a suggestions forum, why not toss some suggestions out?

 

[Seeph]

If you think about it you can just scroll through the discussion board and see what people are asking stupid questions and giving stupid advice and make a true "Don Juan" board by allowing those members access to it.. Mystery's Lounge and Club PDX are for the "Advanced" DJ members yes.. but why not make a forum for the "DJ" and moderators can tell who is serious and actually reads and is mature about things.