How much does the “abundance mentality” matter for low-tier men?

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The number one demotivator for me is this sort of subhuman treatment, because I CAN tell when a girl is not interested and back off, and by cutting me off like this the girl is making false assumptions that I am a pushy creep based on my looks alone. Of course, I'm jaded to the core, have no ****s left to give and have virtually no respect for modern young women (anybody who still does after going through what I've been through is a turbosimp), but I have to play nice to avoid being banned from venues or MeTooed. Also, this problem seems to be exclusive to American thots and has never happened when I went clubbing in Korea or Ukraine - nightlife is actually fun there and I don't need to force myself to pretend to enjoy it, despite still getting no results.
Well, I guess the only thing worst than that is you add another 25 years to that and are the pushy old creep. It's like women are going out of their way to make you feel bad because they are repusled by your looks.

But I think a positive energy injection using an ASMR youtube video can help in these situations because allot of times you thoughts may go into a spiralling negative feedback loop and even saying a hot nice girl say nice things to you can help reset that thinking (ie since you can't get it in real life, try some videos like I did when I was feeling down).
 

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This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Well, I guess the only thing worst than that is you add another 25 years to that and are the pushy old creep. It's like women are going out of their way to make you feel bad because they are repusled by your looks.

But I think a positive energy injection using an ASMR youtube video can help in these situations because allot of times you thoughts may go into a spiralling negative feedback loop and even saying a hot nice girl say nice things to you can help reset that thinking (ie since you can't get it in real life, try some videos like I did when I was feeling down).
I don't think I am ugly enough to repel girls without doing anything, but I definitely look like somebody who "should" be a docile nerdy type and am "not meant to" be confident and take initiative with girls, in their mind, and they are repulsed by me acting out of character and getting onto the dance floor instead of nursing my drink on the sidelines all night, like other guys who look like me.
 

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I don't think I am ugly enough to repel girls without doing anything, but I definitely look like somebody who "should" be a docile nerdy type and am "not meant to" be confident and take initiative with girls, in their mind, and they are repulsed by me acting out of character and getting onto the dance floor instead of nursing my drink on the sidelines all night, like other guys who look like me.
Just visit Thialand or some place like that.
 

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Just visit Thialand or some place like that.
It is funny that people are saying these things now after just trying to convince me to make it work in America in the previous thread I posted specifically to solicit suggestions like this for “Ascension Junkets” abroad. On what basis do you think Thailand will be easier? I should clarify that if a girl is only sleeping with me for the implicit hope of locking me down as a green card mule (which is the only financial value I can provide as I have little wealth to flaunt), and feels no real sexual attraction towards me, that is no different to directly paying an escort and not good enough for me - like with an escort it may be a technical virginity loss but not “ascension”. Whatever the case may be, I am going to keep hammering out the Thousand Approaches everywhere I go in the world, including America, because I know I’m not a monster and it’s ultimately not my problem if some thots start belly-aching over my mere existence. Also, what I said in my last post may have implied low confidence, but that’s not actually my opinion; that is just what I believe the girls’ perspective is.
 
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It is funny that people are saying these things now after just trying to convince me to make it work in America in the previous thread I posted specifically to solicit suggestions like this for “Ascension Junkets” abroad. On what basis do you think Thailand will be easier? I should clarify that if a girl is only sleeping with me for the implicit hope of locking me down as a green card mule (which is the only financial value I can provide as I have little wealth to flaunt), and feels no real sexual attraction towards me, that is no different to directly paying an escort and not good enough for me - like with an escort it may be a technical virginity loss but not “ascension”. Whatever the case may be, I am going to keep hammering out the Thousand Approaches everywhere I go in the world, including America, because I know I’m not a monster and it’s ultimately not my problem if some thots start belly-aching over my mere existence. Also, what I said in my last post may have implied low confidence, but that’s not actually my opinion; that is just what I believe the girls’ perspective is.
Ok, good luck on your 1000 approaches.
 

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Women that only chase down high value men with options need to understand the potential consequences of that.
I could say that more than my uncle was high value, it was my aunt who had low SMV value

Not to sound like a prude, but the fact that someone has to ask how many women does it take to show an "abundance mindset" shows that person cares about what others think to an unhealthy degree......which is the total opposite of an abundance mindset.
But he could do it because he has never had the experience of abundance, so he is only asking the opinion of more experienced users

That girl will find herself. Keep up the good work.
 

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As I mentioned earlier, when seduction guides tell people to adopt an "abundance mentality" they're telling them to PRETEND to have abundance and act accordingly; your actual level of abundance does not matter. My concern was whether working on pretending to have abundance was worth your time if you have Incel-tier looks, since I suspect women know full well which men have no options and will figure out quickly that you're just bluffing by going cold,



I appreciate the effort you put into your post and will put your advice into practice, but... 3-4 dates a MONTH?! You should realise that I am so far behind the curve and have such a vanishingly low level of SMV that reading this claim is no different to reading a hypothetical promise that I'll be able to climb and descend Mount Everest three or four times in a single day after just 18 months of athletic training. I'm not saying I won't make an effort anyway nor do I mean to disrespect anything you or anyone else has written, but time and time again I have read seduction advice written by people who have either never participated in the Generation Z dating market as an equal (i.e. not leveraging money to close an age gap) or assume the achievement of "basic" prerequisite milestones that they're not aware would actually be like ten Christmases at once for an increasingly large number of men. Back in the late 90s and early 2000s very few men were adult virgins not by choice and you could expect the median "Average Frustrated Chump" turning to the seduction community to have had, at worst, an unsuccessful and sexless dating relationship with a girl, but usually at least one previous long(ish)-term girlfriend that he banged if not a lucky hookup, but nowadays there are millions of "totally socially invisible" adult virgin men that are at their wits' end after trying unsuccessfully for years just to get a first date.

For context, yes, I am one of them. I am also short, fat, autistic, and ugly, rating myself a 3.5/10 or a 4 on a good day, and I am still a virgin at age 24, although to be fair I have only done 69 approaches thus far and am not allowing myself to quit until the year is 2030 or I complete 1,000 approaches, whichever comes first. Any time I go out to a bar or club in America I consider it a very successful night if every woman I encounter treats me like a HUMAN BEING - on multiple occasions girls have told me that they "have a boyfriend", told me to "go away" when I was just walking past them on a packed dance floor, actually called me out for making a joke that didn't land instead of just acting disinterested, pretended to be friendly to me instead of giving me negative cues only to finally snap and tell me to **** off when I had the gall to keep being friendly back, or were so creeped out by me that they felt the need to tell a mutual acquaintance to tell me to back off instead of even saying it themselves - and ALL of these cases were girls that weren't even approach targets, and to whom I wasn't saying or doing anything unambiguously flirtatious!

The number one demotivator for me is this sort of subhuman treatment, because I CAN tell when a girl is not interested and back off, and by cutting me off like this the girl is making false assumptions that I am a pushy creep based on my looks alone. Of course, I'm jaded to the core, have no ****s left to give and have virtually no respect for modern young women (anybody who still does after going through what I've been through is a turbosimp), but I have to play nice to avoid being banned from venues or MeTooed. Also, this problem seems to be exclusive to American thots and has never happened when I went clubbing in Korea or Ukraine - nightlife is actually fun there and I don't need to force myself to pretend to enjoy it, despite still getting no results.

I am a very late bloomer because although I got my first romantic crushes at the usual time, for whatever reason I had no standalone sex drive as such until I was 19 years old. I also have several strong principles that I will never compromise on for any reason, regardless of the rewards (mostly to provide some element of stability and stop me from going completely off my rocker rather than for the purpose of moral grandstanding) and these are that I won't lie to people (except if it's about mice or recorders; long story as to why those are the exceptions), and that I won't completely reinvent my personality and live a lie for ulterior motives.

I have yet to fully kick my longtime computer addiction but when I do, I am only going to pursue in-person hobbies that interest me, not endure yoga classes, for instance, purely because they are target-rich environments (and even then only in theory). I also find very few people worth having as platonic friends, and I do not gain enough from platonic friendships that they are worth making an effort to seek out; most friends are a means to an end but again, acting chummy with people just for material benefits goes against my principles.

I will definitely hit the gym and try to lose 20 kilos if for no other reason than to be able to ski at a high level again. As far as fashion goes, I basically never stopped dressing like a Hong Kong schoolboy (this isn't helped by the fact that I'm broke, and even if I wasn't would likely still be a miser who hates spending money; I can count on one hand the number of articles of clothing other than socks and underwear that I have bought new), but when I change this, it's going to be to what I like the look of, not to what is "fashionable". For instance I like growing my nails out to the point that I am strongly considering getting fake ones installed; so ****ing what if girls that are too busy riding Chad's **** to give me a second glance anyway mistake me for a homosexual? I have realised lately that I have been playing fast and loose with my principles this whole time by being overly conformist, and how many dates has that bloody gotten me so far? Now that I'm all out of ****s left to give I am going to play by my own rules alone (within reason) because I'd rather be alone and happy than alone and bored. I know I am playing the game on "I Am Death Incarnate" mode but if I have to sacrifice my soul to play it on Hard Mode, it's a game I'd rather not play at all. Anyway, I'll try to open at least one girl on campus tomorrow and report back.

OK, wow. Well it sounds like you know what you need to do. First thing first, get to the gym and start eating right. You will look dramatically better just as a result of doing these two things. Devote yourself to the bodybuilding lifestyle. Next you have to learn to dress well. Find a way.

I believe it is against forum rules to post a link, but I just did a couple of videos on exactly what you need to do to go from a 3 to a 5 and then start dating 7's. My YouTube channel is in my link and my most recent 2 videos are on this topic (in fact your post was the motivation for doing them). I also have a video titled "You only need a minimum of good looks" to get women. It describes the fact that you only need a 50% plus interest level at first, but then how to steadily drive that interest level up over the next few dates.

You can find a lot of what I am saying on this forum but by watching my videos you will get a concentrated summary.

Mods, if I am breaking forum rules please remove my post.

But like I said, listen to what the other wise posters have said on this topic. You need to start with a 180 degree change in your mindset.

Less attractive men CAN get women.
 

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For low tier men I think it is better to strive for non-neediness. (For instance if you text her twice and no answer don't contact again etc.)
When a girl flakes, is saying nothing the best thing to do, or should I instead text her with something along the lines of "You let me know when and where you want to reschedule"? I wouldn't want to give her the impression that I've actually lost interest and won't take her back if she decides to quit screwing around.
 

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When a girl flakes, is saying nothing the best thing to do, or should I instead text her with something along the lines of "You let me know when and where you want to reschedule"? I wouldn't want to give her the impression that I've actually lost interest and won't take her back if she decides to quit screwing around.
She should reinitiate contact and give a very good reason to have flaked and ask to reschedule. A flake is a good indication of a lack of interest on her part.
 
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When a girl flakes, is saying nothing the best thing to do, or should I instead text her with something along the lines of "You let me know when and where you want to reschedule"? I wouldn't want to give her the impression that I've actually lost interest and won't take her back if she decides to quit screwing around.
No, she has your contact info, and could contact you at any time. Why don't you just move on and spin more plates? If you had options, you wouldn't care about her at all.
 

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When a girl flakes, is saying nothing the best thing to do, or should I instead text her with something along the lines of "You let me know when and where you want to reschedule"? I wouldn't want to give her the impression that I've actually lost interest and won't take her back if she decides to quit screwing around.
As someone already mentioned, it's a woman's job to offer a counteroffer with the initial text of flaking. If a woman doesn't or it's some vague "We should meet another day" it's a sign of low interest. Even with a strong counteroffer, the likelihood you may see her might be 50/50 at best.

This is especially true if you haven't met the woman yet (Online dating) or just gone on a few dates with.
 
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