How many cold approachers are liars?

[Jariel]

I have a question for the guys who constantly approach women and claim to be successful with it. Let's say you did your approach and got the woman interested. What is your goal from there?

If you are just aiming to nail the girl and you're successful doing that, then it sounds like you are just picking up easy women and slvts, and then lie about them being quality women.

If you are looking for a quality woman (or a few) worth keeping around and you are successful, then surely there's no need to continue approaching any more. Or maybe you're lying about your success in finding these women.

Either way, I find it hard to imagine that you can handle all these women you allegedly pick up from constant sarging sessions. I mean, if you're doing upto 100 approaches per week I expect you'll have at least 5 dates come out of them (otherwise cold approaching clearly doesn't work, right?) So that's at least 5 dates you have to organise per week, because next week you'll have another 5 dates, and another 5 after that...

UNLESS, you guys: A) lie about the amount of approaches you do, or B) lie about your success rates.

Forgive me for being cynical, but I'm starting to think a large percentage of this forum is bullshyt, and we need to start asking questions instead of accepting things at face value.

Not everyone makes the claim of approaching 100s of women per week and being successful, but for those who do, please explain the flaw in my logic. Thanks.

 

[Sexual]

Are you seriously asking questions like this? Did you read the bible?

The whole point on that strategy of picking up women should be used by all men to get the confidence and social skills every man should have.

Don't wanna be a player and fawk em? Fine, do your own thing, but it will help you do it if that's what you want.

If you find the woman you want? Good for you, break it off with the others if you start becoming exclusive.

The main idea behind it though is to find a woman that you think is beautiful or ugly or whatever as long as she fits what you want, and most guys that don't have all women wanting them can't find that without dating multiple girls.

What do you honestly believe in love at first sight still? Read the bible and don't be a symp. Remember that all women can be picked up the same way using the same techniques, and as soon as you learn that getting the relationship that you want NOT the one that you accept takes work.

Love is a game until you make it what you want it to be. For a guy that has had over 1000 posts, you sure don't know ****.

 

[ikkenai]

Dude, shut up already about cold approaches. You can't do them, fine, stop crying about people that can.

 

[ketostix]

Fair question Jariel, but not everyone has a social circle currently and to break into one would require..a cold approach basically anyway. If we didn't cold approach how many girls would we get? Through CA , I'm just trying to work on my ability to spark attraction in girls..nothing else.

 

[Smooth Player 056]

Personally I cold approach day and night....I get plenty of numbmers too......my problem is i set up a date and get bored and want a NEW and exiting girl...so I cut off contact with the other girls. Its like a cycle.

I think you have a fear of approaching women...which is why you speak negitivly about cold approaching.

If you are weak in something....it is easy to find its flaws.

 

[Arioch]

To elaborate on what he's asking:

Do you cold approach?
If so:
-How many women do you approach per week?
-Define a successful cold approach.
-What percentage of your cold approaches are successful?

 

[MindOverMatter]

Here's a longass MindOverMatter post.

When I'm in a relationship, I still flirt with other girls a lot, but I don't follow up on it. As a result, whenever im with a girl for a long period, I miss being in the field and having some carefree fun. JC will be able to relate to this.

So when a MindOverMatter relationship ends, I can't wait to get back into the field (sometimes i'll approach the same night my relationship ends).

Once I'm single, and in the field again, the LAST thing on my mind is finding another quality woman. In my experiance, for me to stay sane, there has to be a buffer-zone of some carefree sex inbetween relationships. You can't end a relationship with a quality girl, then jump into a relationship with another quality girl. You NEED some time to just be CAREFREE, before you jump back into commitment.

I never do 100 approaches a week, that's WORK man. Picking up women is NOT supposed to be work, it's supposed to be FUN. Plus, I wont approach a girl unless I'm seriously attracted to her, and I usually like to go for girls that other guys get intimidated by. So the odds of finding 100 girls like that in a week are, lol impossible where I live atm (in Belgrade, it would be a different story).

For me, a realistic number of approaches is usually 1-2 approachs a day, but there have been nights when I'd club hop and get like 7+ contacts in that night. During the summer I approach a lot more tho then in the winter cause no woman is worth being outside during a Canadian winter.

That's a lot of numbers/IMs right? Obviously you don't date/f*ck all of them, because if you did, you wouldn't have time for anything else bro.

-Some you hook up with. These are never relationship material in my book.

-Some you never call. These are the girls whose number you got simply because you didn't wnat to walk away empty handed, but in reality you had 0 interest in them besides the physical.

-Some you put in the friendzone until you're ready for a relationship again (and the longer you keep her in the friendzone while she wants out, the better gf she usually is [in my experiance]). Most of my relationships have started this way.

-Some you put in the friend zone, and you keep them there. These are the girls you use to expand your social network. Through them, you meet other girls, and you get a good word put in for you. There's nothing wrong with befriending a 7 if her social circle has a lot of 9s.

Eventually, if you do this for long enough, you will get sick of the field and be ready for a quality woman again.

 

[griffon65]

Well I havent seen anyone claim to have 5 dates a week but if you(jariel) have actually seen that and posted about it I see your point. It seems pretty unbelivable.

Approaching 100 women in a week in the right way w/o the stupid "are u single" yes? "whats your number?" takes AT LEAST 10 minutes per women (building just a lil bit of rapport/attraction, finding the right girl to approach blah blah)

So thats roughly 14 girls a day 14 * 10 = 2 hours 20 minutes

Lets say you get 14 numbers from the 100 approaches, so you need to call up 2 girls a day. Thats another 10-15 minutes minimum per girl to build more rapport/attraction.

2 * 10 = 30 minutes

And then lets say you get 5 dates per week. Thats at least 4 hours per date. And frankly unless these girls are below average, plain ugly or sluts you wont get these girls in bed with that 40 minutes of talking and 4 hours in the date.

5 * 4 = 20 hours

So you have to go on dates 5 days a week. Now for 5 days your gonna tell me that your gonna

a. go to work for 8 hours
b. Go meet girls for 2 hours and 20 minutes
c. talk to girls for 30 minutes
d. Go on a 4 hour date
e. Sleep 8 hours

Thats almost 23 hours right there, thats excluding the time it takes for basic need such as eating, driving to work/these places, showering and a few other missalineous things. If anyone did claim what jariel said then its bull-****

 

[Inc. ©]

You have to keep in mind there are a lot of FUN approaches as you can see from JC's video. Nobody is approaching 100 women per week hoping to date them all, that would drive you crazy. However, some guys will approach 100 women per week and have a lot of fun conversations and maybe try to close some of them.

 

[everywomanshero]

Again....

I don't think you'd even want all 100 girls #s, would you? Surely, you mst have some standards and rule some out???

This guy seems obsessed with convincing himself that cold approaches don't work. Maybe he's scared ****less of doing them and this is his way of justifying to himself that it wouldn't work anyway?

A cold approach usually takes less than 5 minutes. You chat a girl up, if things go well you get a number or ask her to go somewhere with you. If it fails, then you go on and do another. What's the big deal? It really doesn't take long. You can do this while out with your buddies or even while grocery shopping. I've got 3 dates this weekend., so obviously I'll be limited in how many cold approaches I can do FRI-SUN. However, there is always he gas station to/from dates, when she's in the bathroom, when we go out.... I'll still get cold approaches in even when out on a date. It's not that hard.. jeez.

007 is apparently releasing videos for God's sake! I'm not going that far, but I make no secret that I lhang St. Louis, MO. Guys off the forum are welcome to sarge with me at any time. I just need t o get enough notice to not schedule dates for that day/night. If we are all really liars, I'd suggest taking the train out for a night of sarging just to prove us wrong.

 

[griffon65]

^^ too bad you dont live in my area, I would take you up on that offer.

 

[S-lemond]

me 2

 

[quest]

I approach probably 5 girls a week - sometimes 10.
But my approaches are solid as hell.
they're all club approaches.

I delete a number as soon as I have no intent of seeing her again (theres a couple i've kept as friends for the social network.)
i'll look at every girl in my phone and give a little run down.

girl 1. I f*cked on friday night, its a casual hookup, over many years.
girl 2. A friends girlfriend.
girl 3. A girl I approached and kiss/number closed on Saturday night. I might see her this weekend. -haven't had sex
girl 4. A girl i've casually hooked up with a couple of times over the last 6 months, and cancled about 10 dates on, including tuesday night because i got sick. -haven't had sex
girl 5. Casual hookup. I've deleted her number, but i keep getting it back when i'm drunk... -haven't had sex.
girl 6. My ex girlfriend.
girl 7. i'm deleting now, should have months ago. was meaning to have sex with her, but never did before she moved away. -havent had sex
girl 8. best looking girl in my phone. I f*cked up by getting with 1 of her friends - went no where. Still friends for the social network - but close to delete.-haven't had sex
girl 9. close to delete. Got her number 3 weeks ago, tried to meet up on weekends but hasn't happened. -haven't had sex
girl 10. lives across the road from by best mate/wingman, shes hooked us up with a couple of parties, i think she wants me, but no. -haven't had sex
girl 11. friend who i have had sex with.
girl 12. sl*t who i've had sex with and is begging for more, good looking but a real wh*re.... (the best kind?)
girl 13. sister
girl 14. girl i'm doing a project with at school -don't want to have sex with this one.
girl 15. mum
girl 16. mates girlfriend
girl 17. old best friend. see her as a friend.
girl 18. i've banged, good friends, don't delete because i get random messages from her sometimes.
girl 19. dating on and off for a while. very keen to get her into bed. will happen by mid october i think.
girl 20. this girl is older, been trying to set up a date, but our scheduals don't match. made out with her a bunch of times.

-How many women do you approach per week?
-Define a successful cold approach.
-What percentage of your cold approaches are successful?

1. 5-10. (so long as there aren't girls i'm already with at the club)
2. kiss close + number close (clubbing. if i was street sarging i'd say number)
3. I think about 30%. hard to say.

 

[everywomanshero]

trains/planes are cheap..

I'll be heading back to school soon, but before I had those plans I traveled all over. Argentina, Costa Rica, Europe. It's not expensive for a guy working full-time. The main problem is getting time off to do so.

St. Louis lacks any sort of major attractions but what we do have is this:
A few places to approach women such as nightclubs, the loop, university campus areas, etc. Full scale orgies in the back of strip bars on weekends. Lesbian shower shoes right infront of your face. Lots of easy women It's not a world-class city. In fact, it's a crime ridden dump, but it can be fun if you have the right tour guide.

The stuff I've learned here and from the seduction community in general is priceless. There is a certain level of negativity, but I try to end that by extending my openess to this community. I'm always trying to help others being one who believes in a certain level of Karma. As far as accusing people of lying, that is just plain silly. I think some of you guys are lying to yourselves as an excuse to avoid contact with women

 

[salsipuedes]

I like long term relationships, but i find that picking up women gives me a confidence i did not have, in fact so far, i don´t even call them because i am already in a relationship, i just like the fact that IF i wanted, i could date as many women as i like, so that makes me feel confident, and also makes me have a better relationship with my woman, because i know i can date a lot of beutiful women, and i have choosen her, so shes lucky i am a decent guy and i am not afraid of her dumping me, if she does, its her fault.

 

[Bradshaw]

Some Thoughts...

-It is my belief that you cannot be fully comforatable with yourself as a man, until you 'soil your wild oats'. Do you have any idea how many older guys I have talked to who say the same damn thing: "Nail as many girls as you can while you are young." I already give that advice to kids I know in high school, and I am still young and in University. I have yet to meet one older guy who told me "Try to get into a commited relationship from 18 to 25. Don't try to meet new people at all. Stick to you own existing social group."

-I would LOVE to see how they would respond to this at fastseduction.com "Have you guys ever done a cold approach? I bet you guys are making it all up."

-Go to this site:
http://www.puamedia.com/

Go download some of the videos. Look at how quickly and efficiently they move from set to set. Do you think that this is all a hoax? Was it done in a studio? For what purpose? To trick those guys over at sosuave into thinking that they are actually approach a lot of girls?

 

[animal crackers]

I don't understand why all these threads pop up over cold approaches every day.

'cold approaches don't work'
'what's the success rate of cold approaches'
'you will only pick up an easy girl from a cold approach'


Retarded.

Ok, some guys are better at interacting with woman than others. Some guys are better at meeting other people than others.

And for a cold approach to 'work' what does that mean?

Does that mean that you meet someone and have a pleasant interaction, and have a new aquaintance that you see around town?

Or is it sex?

It comes down to your goals, and yes you can lay girls from cold approaches fairly easily. You do have to realize however that just by the fact that you are approaching random girls that not ALL are going to be looking for something like that.

Recently, none of my 'approaches' have been negative at all. I'm just being myself, hahah good advice right, and some pan out, some don't.

In the vid, I was using routines, which I sometimes like to use for opening, but if you can't just have a normal conversation routines don't even help.

I'm going to try to get a video clip up once we get the wireless mic, just so some people can see how easy a cold approach actually is, and that a girl isn't going to smack you if you talk to her.


True, you won't lay every girl you approach. But for those guys that meet girls only through friends, do you lay every one of them?

Being able to cold approach gives you:

-Enhanced social skills
-More confidence in yourself
-Unlimited opportunities
-Sex
-Friendships
-Non-neediness (you have so many options)


Jariel, and guys like him. Why limit yourselves? Cold approaches are FUN man. I still get a rush almost all the time, and i have never had ANYTHING bad happen. I will quote some famous PUA guy right now:


"The worst thing that could happen, is that NOTHING could happen."


Peace and Love




animal crackers

 

[animal crackers]

Originally posted by Jariel
I have a question for the guys who constantly approach women and claim to be successful with it. Let's say you did your approach and got the woman interested. What is your goal from there?

If you are just aiming to nail the girl and you're successful doing that, then it sounds like you are just picking up easy women and slvts, and then lie about them being quality women.

If you are looking for a quality woman (or a few) worth keeping around and you are successful, then surely there's no need to continue approaching any more. Or maybe you're lying about your success in finding these women.

Either way, I find it hard to imagine that you can handle all these women you allegedly pick up from constant sarging sessions. I mean, if you're doing upto 100 approaches per week I expect you'll have at least 5 dates come out of them (otherwise cold approaching clearly doesn't work, right?) So that's at least 5 dates you have to organise per week, because next week you'll have another 5 dates, and another 5 after that...

UNLESS, you guys: A) lie about the amount of approaches you do, or B) lie about your success rates.

Forgive me for being cynical, but I'm starting to think a large percentage of this forum is bullshyt, and we need to start asking questions instead of accepting things at face value.

Not everyone makes the claim of approaching 100s of women per week and being successful, but for those who do, please explain the flaw in my logic. Thanks.

Ok, so I actaully went back and read your post. Let me tell you my perspective on your questions.

As far as continuing to cold approach. Girls come and go, and surprising as it sound many of the girls I've been with are of real quality.

The thing is that quality girls 'usually' won't stay with you forever if you've made it clear that you are seeing other people. I don't have any need to lie also.

Sometimes there will be a couple weeks where I don't even approach at all. This is kind of stupid of me actually, but it's because I get caught up in life, and excuse myself that I can do it later (I do this with too many things)

I guess it depends on the lifestyle you want. I'm young and have done the ltr for years before. Time to 'sew my wild oats' as one of the other posters put it.

I hope you find what you want and stop posting about how guys are lying on a dam message board.

 

[muttley]

Re: Again....

Originally posted by everywomanshero
I don't think you'd even want all 100 girls #s, would you? Surely, you mst have some standards and rule some out???

This guy seems obsessed with convincing himself that cold approaches don't work. Maybe he's scared ****less of doing them and this is his way of justifying to himself that it wouldn't work anyway?

A cold approach usually takes less than 5 minutes. You chat a girl up, if things go well you get a number or ask her to go somewhere with you. If it fails, then you go on and do another. What's the big deal? It really doesn't take long. You can do this while out with your buddies or even while grocery shopping. I've got 3 dates this weekend., so obviously I'll be limited in how many cold approaches I can do FRI-SUN. However, there is always he gas station to/from dates, when she's in the bathroom, when we go out.... I'll still get cold approaches in even when out on a date. It's not that hard.. jeez.

007 is apparently releasing videos for God's sake! I'm not going that far, but I make no secret that I lhang St. Louis, MO. Guys off the forum are welcome to sarge with me at any time. I just need t o get enough notice to not schedule dates for that day/night. If we are all really liars, I'd suggest taking the train out for a night of sarging just to prove us wrong.

Yo yo, where can i download this vid by JC? can some one gimme the link!! JC you crazy fvcker lol
some one hook me up

im also sarging too. My goal is not really to get girls, i have a small supply of girls but it wouldnt hurt to make that larger now would it
Sarging REALLY REALLY boosts confidence around women. My goal is to be relaxed around women like im relaexed around men. That is happennign slowly. Cold approaching rocks and is fun.

heres my small ( soon to be bigger ) journal
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=83593

 

[Jariel]

Thanks to those who have given sensible responses.

Personally, I don't do cold approaches because I'm usually involved with someone and contented with that. And I certainly don't need any social confidence any more. I'm not trying to talk people out of approaching, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

It's kind of sad how some people get defensive and insulting when they're asked basic questions, instead of just answering them.

I can appreciate what some of you said about the fun side of approaches and how it can be good for your social confidence. I can't argue with that. But I do find it hard to understand how some guys, like the PUAs, dedicate so much time to it (100+ approaches per week) and why.

The first thing that springs to mind is that they are insecure and need a large quantity of attention to feel any worth and need to prove they can pick up women, rather than just accepting themselves and getting on with life.

Personally, I've reached my main goals as far as this site is concerned, so I don't care if you guys are fvcking 1000 HB10s a week or masturbating to porn every night. I'm just trying to provoke some discussions on this discussion forum.