How it Happened...How Things Seemed to Change.

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ALOT of talk is on board about feminism, anti-feminism, women, men, etc, and some believe it exists, others are skeptical, some still point the finger at negativity.

It is all of that, and then some. Let's stick with the FACTS though. I'll begin with an analogy.

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If you sat in a pot of water, and I squeaked the temperature up by 1 degree every minute, it would go from say 70 degrees to 130 over an hour. Over 2 hours, you'd be at 180 degrees. By the time it was too late, you'd be burnt or scalding hot. Because the INCREMENTAL increase occurred so slowly, so subtely that you had no chance to react. You were not AWARE or sensitive to the situations around you.

The same things occur in business. Most get so CONSUMED paying attention to making a living, to paying bills, that life passes them by, and 20 years later, the marriage they had is dead, the money they made is not enough, the car they drive is broken, the house they have is requiring of repair, and so on.

A cautious stance is OFTEN not advocated because MOST live for today. They live for "the temperature it is", and feel "they can live with it." Eventually you accept the temperature a little more. Then a little more. Then a little more. Until you've reached ROCK BOTTOM.

The same happens in relationships. Sometimes it's 1 fight, or 1 date blown off, or 1 time she bursts out, or 1 casual sex partner, then another, and another. Growth, progression, happens ever so slightly, over such a period of time that when you REALIZE IT, it often TOO late.

The same applies to relationships, to the state of affairs of men vs. women, society and so forth. It takes a "tweak" here, a "change" there, a new "law", a new "regulation," a new "socially acceptable trend." And bam...where you are, is it where you want to be? Do you question the progression? The norm? The situation?

The same casualness applied NOW, is where we will BE. Do you like that? Do you want it to change? At what point does it change?

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Facts (some observations, too).

1. Women mature MUCH younger physically then boys. In MOST cases, guys don't actually reach a physical peak until their late 20's, when they're lifting, earning some real money to enhance their image, and have strong self-confidence. Conversely, women reach a peak period from 14 to about 28, with some TRUE exceptions beyond 30, and the rare exceptions being those women with ACTIVE interest in maintaining themselves BEYOND 30 (not a large % though).

That said...their IMPRESSION of the world begins to SHAPE around them, all the way they have no FAWKING clue who they are, what they want, what life is about, and what to do. At an age when impressions, and confidence is formed, most BEAUTIES and a good number of NON-beauties are thrust UPON a throne because of their looks and the social regard for beauty. Beyond that, they also see how revered women are in history, in magazines, on TV, in movies, and basically everywhere. How, with a few moves of their hips, some lowcut shirts, and a skirt can really change things.

2. Birth Control DISCOUNTED the risks of SEX and PREGNANCY. With the PILL and CONDOMNS, most DISEASES are prevented. But it's not the DISEASES that are bad, it's the emotional BAGGAGE acquired, and the emotional stability that is LOST over a decade of casual sex.

What would your view of the world be if you hopped from bed to bed, between the ages of 18 and 28? Some guys do, but we DO developed a more CASUAL view of the world. I would admit that to be true.

You KNOW if sex is there, you can move onto another partner IF they don't suit you to a "T".

3. Girls, by and large, DO NOT learn much in home human values. I.e. they do not learn householding activities, nor do they get 'scummy' jobs like their mothers and grandmother's used to. In some ways, this is good socially, in other ways, it leaves a person NOT appreciating life as it is. It also leaves ALOT of poor work values OUT. Guys who bust their asses, APPRECIATE when good work comes along. Additionally, they realize they MUST work hard because MEN are afforded NO sense of Dependency or Any sort of income steam, via marriage or parents or state welfare by having a child.

4. Life has changed DRAMATICALLY for women, whereas it has remained DRAMATICALLY the same for men. We are EFFECTED by outside events, more than we are EFFECTING them. Women have been freed from the home-slavery by way of the washing machine, kitchen, fast food, longer school hours / forced schooling, college, daycare, gym daycare, the welfare state, computers, automation, easy vacuuming, simple home furnishing, easy bake foods, dry cleaners, and so on.

While their UP keep of the home has been abated, have they added MORE VALUE to it?

I know lots of women that do not have to do what my mother and grandmother did, but now they spend MORE money constantly REDECORATING it! Most guys know TONS of women doing this. They've become their own personal GC.

And because they've been FREED from the home, laws and regulations have been passed to FORCE employers, both public and private to HIRE women in the workplace, and afforded them certain benefits by way of having children, such as maternity leave. Additionally, their passivity and sensitivity in the workplace begs many questions as to HOW productive it can be when you're THINKING so much about working, and working conditions, versus actualy getting the job done. A little PROCESS versus PROGRESS thinking.

5. Marketing is geared toward the "matriarch"...which is also the root for MATERIAL, hence the obsessions with MATERIAL GOODS and a MATERIAL LIFESTYLE. This push toward women, inevitably LEAKS toward our pockets, men. Since they do the BRUNT of the spending and THEY DO it mostly on emotion, commercials FOCUS on that.

Guys buy logically, normally in a slower manner. MOST guys will price out, size out, and customize the purchase of a TV for their home. RARE is it when men run out to BUY a plasma TV.

6. Schooling, particularly colleges, gear themselves toward women. Any GUY heard of MASCULINE studies? I've never joined a German or Irish club, whereas there are PLENTY of other clubs for almost every other supposed minority.

7. Watch the media. I don't have to point out how much STUFF and CRAP slips through that APPEARS cool but is actually pretty gross and damaging, particularly to little girls just growing up. Role models for women are NON existent, other than their mothers, who may or MAY NOT be @ home.

Ever watch a H.S. get out? I have 1 across the St, I can't tell the difference between girls of my age bracket and the high schoolers. More over, they're dressing MORE and MORE like they're going to clubs and NOT to school where they are to learn. Instead, forced schooling is a social playground where kids WRONGLY learn things about life...

-looks matter
-grades matter
-social approval matters
-pick on people
-money matters

If you don't think it happens, look back on yourself and your time, and reconsider it. Sure, now, that you're enlightened maybe it's true you're aware, but back then you weren't, and it can certainly do MORE damage.

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What's to happen?

I'll leave that up as the remainder of a discussion for this thread.



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Tremendous post A-Unit

So much information A-Unit ... I'll just touch on the topic of ROLE MODELS.

I'll speak from some experiences of my job. As noted, I work at a university. I meet with students from freshmen to seniors, from 17-year olds to 60-year olds.

I often meet with prospective students, high schoolers who are looking at attending our school. They often come in with a parent or parents. When they come in with parents (plural) the dynamic is much different, or if they just come in with dad. The tone of the meeting is goal-setting, living right, doing things right. When they come in with mom (it's often a bitter b-tch), they get nagged.

One very bright young gal was being pushed by her mom to go into our technical school, which doesn't get one as good a job if they were going to go the four-year route. (There are exceptions, but I have the data to back up my statement.) Her b-tchy mom kept saying her daughter was not a good student. Her daughter, bright, enthusiastic, fun ... was being beat down by mommy, who surprisingly was married but dad wasn't there. He probably can't stand to be with her. Mean, ugly, and nagging aren't my favorite traits either.

So I call up her daughter's transcript: Wa-la -- a 3.2 GPA in college work! I re-focus the meeting where I'm only addressing the daughter and barely giving mommy lip service. Mom keeps trying to turn it back to daughter isn't a good student, I keep looking at daughter and say, "You have the ability to do well here."

She leaves with mommy wanting her to get a 2-year degree; girl calls me back and says she's going to get a 4-year degree. I'm pumped ... victory over another bad female role model.

Another example: high school gal from Wyoming comes in with her parents, both TREMENDOUS parents. They want me to plan out her academic career and help her, I tell them that's why I'm here. Dad is super cool, great sense of humor, but wants things done right; so does mom (who was a knockout by the way).

Her daughter wants to tryout for the prestigious dance team here, I tell her to go for it ... so do the parents! They're pumped up. They keep telling me how good a dancer their daughter is, and also that she's a fine student, but they want me to make sure she doesn't slip up.

The gal makes the dance team as a freshman (unheard of here at school) and frequently e-mails me for academic advice.

Great parental role models. If anyone doesn't think a dad doesn't make a difference -- society is currently trashing dads and their importance -- their nuts. If anyone doesn't think a good, positive mom doesn't make a difference, they're equally nuts.
 

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Agree deejay

Awful parenting, it's just brutal. In my job I see it every week, just clueless parents.

Here's a clue: Instead of buying a $30,000 or more SUV, buy a much cheaper car and invest or save some of that money. Make your daughter work for college money, but then reward her down the road. That stupid Disney vacation? F--k that! Take them into natural beauty, go hiking or biking. It's a lot more effort to get a bigger payoff. Studies show that kids who are brought up in the outdoors are much more grounded, commit fewer crimes, and have a lower rate of teen pregnancy than those who watch TV and go to Disneyworld or whatever.

The problem I see is little adversity for kids. I hate to do the "back in my day" deal. But when I was in college in the pre-internet days, most guys and gals didn't even have cable TV in their rooms, the dorm food was just that, dorm food; now it's an international buffet. Nice, but once again, spoiling kids. High school kids are spoiled, too. I think they should have to bus or walk to school. I think unless a kid lives 5 or more miles away, he can't have a car at school. But when I was in high school, kids drove like four blocks to school. F'n stupid.

Basically, high school kids need to suffer a little more and be put through more adversity. A bad day for most of them is when their text messages aren't getting through.

We've become fat, lazy, obnoxious, and undisciplined.
 

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Re:

Thanks.

I absolutely agree. I worked as a tour guide during my college years, and normally the larger groups had the BEST chemistry with BOTH parents and a healthy perspective.

To me, the dichotomy between LOVE and FEAR is what overshadows women. And let me explain...

Ever get in a disagreement with a woman?

No.

You know most times why YOU ARE at fault?

Because, MOST times she ASSUMES your a leader AND responsible, yet so many guys LET women feel they have it, and most don't know what they're doing.

They DO follow your lead, and this is what ALOT of hurt mothers and girls experience.

MANY of them followed feminism to it's very awful end, and are NOW disappointed.

MANY of them are disappointed at how we allowed it to happen.

Sure, we can't save the world, but like Neo in the Matrix:

SEE THE CODE
GAIN THE POWER
FREE YOURSELF

Will lots of girls/women be like this?

Most assuredly.

Will you have to dig deeper to find a good woman?

Definately.

What can be done?

Change starts within. It doesn't begin by carpeting the world, but carpeting your feet, and working within your OWN realm.

It's 1 thing to ACCEPT pieces of a person AS THEY ARE, it's another to be ignorant or tolerant of BAD behavior and PERSONALITY flaws. DO NOT DO THAT!

And that's just it, most guys do. Oh well. I know lots of chimps and chumps who married the bar slvts at places that are now closed down. How can anyone pass on progeny to the world AND BE SO CARELESS??

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I would put it on the POOR PARENTING, but it's deeper, it's IGNORANCE and FEAR.

Ignorance stems from FEAR, but it's IGNORANCE.

How many guys here BELIEVE in any of this? How many of it view it past their own lives and ability to hook up? How many times does it get flamed?

Do you see how we're moving SO FAR past what is right to aspire to PERFECTION?

Do we?

POOR PARENTING stems from IGNORANCE and FEAR. They IGNORE what's going on because they do not ascribe to the problems of the world. "It won't happen to me." "I can do that later."

Most PEOPLE don't have the ability to self-reflect LIKE alot of guys here do. ALOT of guys here do 95% more thinking the main population does. Thing is, they FLAME the HELL out of an idea if it doesn't fit their reality. Fine. Go ahead. But why do they do that?

Fear. They don't want it to change them, anymore than do the parents want to change themselves. So again, people build these little lives and try to insulate themselves from all the things that bothered them in their youth. Don't we?

Isn't fear the ONLY thing that limits people from aspiring to new heights? I can't think of anything else, even if you site poverty, poor upbringing, lack of skills, ugly, stupid, all these things CAN be corrected.

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I DO put it on Parents, but what most people turn to is MAJORITY thought. They don't turn INWARD, since if their parents or family ignored them, MOST people LACK self-confidence, which is instilled in youth. Instead, they go ******ds, to signs of success, popular books, popular guru's, lines of thinking systems, etc.

Ever notice how people REALLY are defending only forms of thought?

Republican
Democrat
Man
Woman
Black
White
Asian
European
German
Islamic
Christianity
Jewish
Muslim
Rich
Poor
Middle Class
Baseball
Football
Patriots
Indianapolis
Analyst
Salesman
Feminist
Anti-feminist
Hetrosexual
Homosexual
North
South


And thoughts just come and go like dust in the wind. So people, fashions, supposed identities, just melt away....yet we wage war, we label, we slander, we bias, we hate, we love, all on MOMENTARY things. The only thing REAL is that essential energy of a person you can only sense or feel, but can't place, touch, see, or speak of. It's like energy you know of, but few comprehend. I'd say MOST astute masters KNOW of what it is in any given field. Sports, science, dating, investing/math, health, modeling, etc.

Alas, I am off point...the problem here is DEEPER. Poor parenting is but a symptom. So is feminism. As a social movement, fine. But it's at another level being used as a psychological and emotional tool AGAINST society, not for it. And if it's not HELPING society, what's it doing?

You'd think with 6 billion people on the planet, loads of wealth everywhere, the ability of nations to come together, and relative peace, we'd basically be able to do WHATEVER it is we want, right? I mean come on. We're 1 planet, and possibly the only 1 in our lifetimes we'll find inhabited. YET we fight like we're the ONLY beings in the universe or of creative thought!

Where's this come from? Largely the ego, which OTHER egos play off each other. And when you think in bigger terms, yes, it's that way. The other alternative is that we're all EVOLVED apes, from some amoebas, and we must OUTSURVIVE each other to live. VIVA LA SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST!

If it was that way...why not just wipe each other out now?

I'd say it's more a divide and conquer strategy.

So is it fear? absolutely. It's the MORE common outcome. Because POOR parenting ORIGINATES from something ELSE, which is POOR philosophy BEFORE kids are born. Which likely began as POOR philosophy while being born, etc. It doesn't just HAPPEN that people become bad parents, they're bad or poorly working people to begin with.



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The one thing that surprised me ...

... was the inability of women in the U.S. to mature. Yeah, they mature quicker physically than men, and often mentally and emotionally -- but then after age 25 or around there, they completely freaking regress.

Look, I've known many of stoners in high school and college, and playboys -- guys who just didn't have their sh-t together. I see them years later and they've pulled themselves together, gotten married, become successful.

Women, on the other hand ... I really am amazed. When I got into my 30's I thought, OK, enough goofing around, let's move this career forward. And enough with dating GIRLS, I want to date women; sophisticated, polished, classy, professional WOMEN.

Let's put it this way ... don't judge a book by its cover. I'm truly amazed at women 25 on up -- all the way past 50 -- who will put getting the d-ck inside them above everything else. They will risk a career by sleeping with a boss, they will risk an STD by sleeping with anyone, they will risk a marriage, risk anything to get the d-ck inside them. It's stunning really. Most women I know are wired like this ... even professional ones.

Yeah, we'll get the example of the happily married guy here -- good for you, you just met 1 out of 1,000 women in the U.S. who don't put the d-ck as priority one. (Or the latest fad, "experimenting" with lesbianism.)

I'm was shocked and continued to be shocked at the lack of focus on family, children, and/or a career by women in this country. It's all about who they can f--k ... or at least that's what I've seen in the ultra-feminist Northwest.

Even women who are so-called church going, religious/prudes ... the second they get a chance to hop into bed with someone, that is priority one. Believe it or not, women 18-23 or so may sleep around, but most I know at this age are focused on finishing college or advancing a career. Once the get older, the sleaze sets in.

Guys may mature later than women, but at least they stay matured.

That's my personal experience, then again it might be different for you guys.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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WestCoaster...I just recently moved back to Maine. The first thing that I noticed after being away for so long (this is where I was born and raised) was that there are more people who are married than who aren't over the age of 25...at least that I've met and talked to. There is a much stronger family ethic here than I have seen anywhere else I've lived. Hard work and knowing you have to earn what is given to you is pretty much ingrained here. You just don't see the same level of entitlement. It's kinda nice. The man are more masculine and the women are more traditional...but most also work outside of the home.

I'm not sure how common what I'm seeing here actually is in the country...but it really is a very stark difference from what you describe.
 

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I think it's a Northwest thing

From talking to my fellow Northwesterners who have travelled a lot, I think the women in this part of the country are whack. It's a very loose, open society up here. Most of the birkenstock-wearing women here complain about men all the time, then sleep around like a bunch of rabbits in heat. Experimenting with lesbianism is huge in the Northwest.

Washington/Puget Sound area has the largest amount of single moms in the country; Oregon has the second-highest divorce rate (behind Nevada); and Oregon is the least-churched state in the country, with Washington close behind. I live in Idaho, which is too conservative for my liking, but a lot of the Mormon gals here sleep and drug around like no tomorrow because they were repressed growing up.

I love the area here for scenic beauty and that my family and friends all live here. Women-wise? It's the worst in America by far, and I've travelled to all locales except the deep south. The women are pretty homely and sleazy ... not a good combination.

I like the wholesome Midwest women a lot -- and California women are nice, too, because they have to COMPETE. In the Northwest, more men than women, so the women don't have to compete.

I think it's a Northwest thing and I can get you about a dozen or more opinions like mine.
 

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Wow, Maine Wyldfire? Ha, you might be close to my cousin's IN St. Albans, ME.

I agree, Maine is VERY down to earth and VERY family oriented. My cousin, who's soon to be 20, is ALREADY married. She married her h.s. sweetheart. For people across country THIS IS NUTS, but to people in lesser known parts of the country, it's perfect bliss. What else is there?

They don't see education as some MECCA of PERFECTION! They don't see MONEY as a means to happiness! If you've ever spent an amount of time up there you'd SEE why it's so great.

IT's PURE.

Wow, I'm glad she brought Maine up. NICE JOB WYLDFIRE. They're the PERFECT example.

I've been there, when you're there, it's surreal. It's like a vaccum. You're out there, all alone. Parties are awesome. People drop by and help each other. WEddings are HUGE. The atmosphere is CLEAN. And what reigns is what people ACTUALLY want.

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The CITY itself has a way of dissipating things, too. It confuses the psychi. Alot of guys miss this. CULTURE and SOCIAL differences. Sure, I've met my hand full of girl-slvts up there, that's a % of the population, BUT, up there, guys make the dough mostly, because it's a crude world. So it flows back to the traditional model.



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Location, location, location

Maine sounds interesting. One thing about the Northwest, is if you meet some nice Eastern Washington farm girls, you have it made. I've met some and they grew up on huge wheat farms and often had to drive a combine or at least be up at 4 a.m. in the morning, some to even milk cows. They learned work ethic and humbleness because farming isn't glamourous, and with each president since the 1980's cutting back and doing their darndest to get rid of the American farmer, they don't make much money either.

Sadly, the farm girls who go off to Portland or Seattle sometimes get corrupted into the city life of these two places. I like both places, but each has absolutely zero morality. If you want to drink, drug, and sleep around, those are the cities for you. If you want to convert to lesbianism, both cities are definitely for you.

Not all small towns are great as I've met my share of ho's in small towns, but I'd take a true blue farm girl any day of the week.
 

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The answer ...

... is a one-year required social service right after high school. Some countries require military right when kids turn 17. I think upon high school graduation -- unless there is a need to care for a family -- all men AND women should do one year of service.

It could be in the military, it could be in the Peace Corps, it could be teaching in the inner city, it could be working in a nursing home. And I think the requirement should be done a minimum of 500 miles away from home.

These people would get a small stipend to live on and when they returned, would get money for college. (Trust me, the U.S. government has this money.)

Hollywood and commerical companies would scream bloody murder because kids would come back disciplined, focused, and have a value change.

The best time ever for universities was when the GI's returned from WWII and were on the G.I. Bill. These students were incredibly focused, driven, and classy.

What would one year social service do? It would probably eliminate "spring break on MTV" within four years. It would raise the consciousness of our college students, it would reduce date rape, assaults, drugs, unwanted pregnancies, crime, binge drinking ... he-l, it would cure a lot of ills in college today.

We're too lazy and complacent as a country to demand this. We'd rather feed Hollywood and Wall Street and ruin our culture.

One f'n year away -- and it would solve a lot of problems.
 

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I moved to Spokane about a year ago (after 30 something years in orange county, ca), and still absolutely love it here. Clean air, clean water (you can actually drink it), breathtaking scenery, low traffic, low crime, and the fact you can buy a mansion for less than what a condo costs in southern california.

It's rural, but at 20 minutes from an international airport, not too rural. The best of both worlds. There's a ton of young, attractive, friendly women here - not all the skanky homegirl types like So. Cal. The bagger at the local grocery store looks like a 20 year old Uma Thurman, mmmm. Plus, the men don't seem to be taking care of business here. It's AFC central - I see so many weak / failed approaches it makes me cringe. It must be like shooting fish in a barrel for the guys that know what they're doing here, and as an old married guy, it's like heaven just chatting them all up.

Spokane isn't anything like Seattle or Portland. There's a small town mentality here. People are nice, strangers wave to you, and everyone seems to look out for each other.
 

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Re: The answer ...

Originally posted by WestCoaster
... is a one-year required social service right after high school. Some countries require military right when kids turn 17. I think upon high school graduation -- unless there is a need to care for a family -- all men AND women should do one year of service.

It could be in the military, it could be in the Peace Corps, it could be teaching in the inner city, it could be working in a nursing home. And I think the requirement should be done a minimum of 500 miles away from home.

These people would get a small stipend to live on and when they returned, would get money for college. (Trust me, the U.S. government has this money.)

Hollywood and commerical companies would scream bloody murder because kids would come back disciplined, focused, and have a value change.

The best time ever for universities was when the GI's returned from WWII and were on the G.I. Bill. These students were incredibly focused, driven, and classy.

What would one year social service do? It would probably eliminate "spring break on MTV" within four years. It would raise the consciousness of our college students, it would reduce date rape, assaults, drugs, unwanted pregnancies, crime, binge drinking ... he-l, it would cure a lot of ills in college today.

We're too lazy and complacent as a country to demand this. We'd rather feed Hollywood and Wall Street and ruin our culture.

One f'n year away -- and it would solve a lot of problems.
And the Constitution would be in shreds.

Forced labor = slave labor.

The 13th Amendment to the Constitution explicitly prohibits forced labor except as a punishment to a crime:

"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. "

A "forced service" would be involuntary servitude and expressly forbidden. Totolitarian tactics are NOT going to solve the problems in the US.
 
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It's rural, but at 20 minutes from an international airport, not too rural. The best of both worlds. There's a ton of young, attractive, friendly women here - not all the skanky homegirl types like So. Cal. The bagger at the local grocery store looks like a 20 year old Uma Thurman, mmmm. Plus, the men don't seem to be taking care of business here. It's AFC central - I see so many weak / failed approaches it makes me cringe. It must be like shooting fish in a barrel for the guys that know what they're doing here, and as an old married guy, it's like heaven just chatting them all up.
Hey guys,

I have been on hiatus for a bit but I'm back.

Yeah, I remember back a couple years (about 11th or 12th grade of high school I was in a LDLTR for quite a bit of time) and I still remember my ex-girlfriend's sister, her mom, and myself driving down the area near Philly and I let someone in front of me and would wave and say hello to people. I would go chat up anyone, girls or guys. They just stared shocked at me like I was nuts. I even chatted up a few gang members that the family didn't like because of who they looked like. When we left, they looked at me and said:
Sister: "Hey, where do you come from?"
Me: "Western PA. Why?"
Sister: "Where you come from. It maybe alright to talk to anyone but out here you will get shot."
Me: "Haven't got shot yet."
Sister: "Whats with all this waving as well?"
Me: "its a sign of hello"
Sister: "Yeah, but no one does that down here."
Me: "So? Thats how I am deal with it."
Exes Mom: "You must come from nice town, PA with your driving ability because you let people merge in with you. Down here that is unheard of."
Me: "Yeah? your point?"
Exes Mom: "I just don't get it."
Me: "Funny thing is. I've had this too and the people down here let me merge in. You just have to be a good person and they let you in. It's all karma"

The reason that I used this as an example is because if you look at how I am you will notice this is how people are around my area compared to the Philly area. Rural vs. Urban setting. It is amazing.

My exes grandparents still love me because of how I treated her. They said "This kid is amazing. He treats you just like I treated your grandmother. with respect. This kid is your soul mate, [exes name]. You better not let this good catch go."

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Re: Re: The answer ...

Originally posted by Alicorn
And the Constitution would be in shreds.

Forced labor = slave labor.

The 13th Amendment to the Constitution explicitly prohibits forced labor except as a punishment to a crime:

"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. "

A "forced service" would be involuntary servitude and expressly forbidden. Totolitarian tactics are NOT going to solve the problems in the US.
Darn Constitution, gets me every time -- LOL!

We gotta fight for our right to paaaaaaaaarty -- and ruin this country.

But I digress ... how about this. Hand out a nice two-year full-ride scholarship for the people dedicated enough to do SERVICE for their country?

Let the slackers slack ... they'll be working for me some day.
 

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Originally posted by A-Unit
Wow, Maine Wyldfire? Ha, you might be close to my cousin's IN St. Albans, ME.

I agree, Maine is VERY down to earth and VERY family oriented. My cousin, who's soon to be 20, is ALREADY married. She married her h.s. sweetheart. For people across country THIS IS NUTS, but to people in lesser known parts of the country, it's perfect bliss. What else is there?

They don't see education as some MECCA of PERFECTION! They don't see MONEY as a means to happiness! If you've ever spent an amount of time up there you'd SEE why it's so great.

IT's PURE.

Wow, I'm glad she brought Maine up. NICE JOB WYLDFIRE. They're the PERFECT example.

I've been there, when you're there, it's surreal. It's like a vaccum. You're out there, all alone. Parties are awesome. People drop by and help each other. WEddings are HUGE. The atmosphere is CLEAN. And what reigns is what people ACTUALLY want.

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The CITY itself has a way of dissipating things, too. It confuses the psychi. Alot of guys miss this. CULTURE and SOCIAL differences. Sure, I've met my hand full of girl-slvts up there, that's a % of the population, BUT, up there, guys make the dough mostly, because it's a crude world. So it flows back to the traditional model.



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I'm actually very close to St. Albans...

I'm in the Bangor area...but I grew up in Washington County...a tiny little town known for it's lobsters and clams. My father was a fisherman and jack of all trades, my mother worked her tail off and myself and my 3 sisters were raised to appreciate things, work hard for them and value the things that are most important in life. As I've mentioned before...all 3 of my sisters have been married at least 20 years. Two of their husbands are also from Maine. My oldest sister and myself married men who were stationed on the Navy base nearby. My sister's husband is Columbian, so he comes from a more traditional background as well. My ex husband was raised in California and then later in Florida. He was a lousy husband, especially considering what I grew up knowing as normal.
 

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I love Maine.

I went to UMaine for 1 semester, but found Orono too secluded for this city guy. When I got there, I was used to working, making $7-8 per hour. I couldn't really find a job to fit school and classes. Not to mention when it snows, esp. that far North, it sucks to leave campus or drive in general to work. If I was rich, or didn't have responsibilities, I'd have stayed.

ST. Albans is quiet, and small, but my uncle is one of the richest in town, if not the richest, so I'm not sure how that plays out. As a "flatlander" he gets alot of "eye" from people not as fortunate, and they see him sneaking money around with his business. But if you have any amount of money, it's a good place. It's a good place without it, but I can see that being tough because that area doesn't have alot of industry except that of physical labor, some Wal-marts, and basic jobs. You don't find financial planners, lawyers, or marketers around every corner like you do around Boston.

However, being that far out from "civilization" gives you a sense of peace and quiet. You can think. And when you're outside of money, you're not wasting time on how you look, instead, you're in on having fun, family, and meaningful times together.

I even recall a conversation a guy had with my father about living there. He noted they didn't make as much as he did, but they had more time for family. And if anybody needed anything, they knew they could trust the guy down the street, or across the town. Moreover, the KNOW their neighbors, unlike us in MA and further across the US, so you have a sense of safety not felt elsewhere.

That's when you realize ALOT of the b.s. that comes, is just ALOT of extra icing you don't really need. If you can make a good living, and be up there, I think it's ideal, at least for me. Sure, the night life is lacking, but you have the space and freedom to HOST parties. Even my recently married 19 year old cousin just bought a $200,000 home with her hubby, who's in business with his dad. My cousin poured the foundation and stairs so it become increasingly cheap, and my uncle and his co. did the plumbing. But you have that network so readily up there, unlike in larger cities.

People call it "networking", like some fashionable statement in Boston. But in Maine, it's just about being friends, and naturally you want to help your friends, and they like you want to help, too. I always envision moving there, or getting a home on the lake nearby and making things simpler, because it doesn't take much to get by, and you could save a ton dough, buy a home, get some property, invest, and work an average job and live. It isn't THAT simple, but it's much easier than trying to get LESS house down here.

Very nice job moving back.

Can't say it's all Traditional up there, but because of the lack of "noise" people aren't so careless. They get down to basics, and people aren't "confused". The things you seek can be found right up there. Family. Friends. Good times. Laughs. Women. Relaxation. Peace. Sure, work isn't right on a platter, but the entrepreneur can survive if he's in construction or physical labor like most of my family is up there.

And sure, women still cheating, because my uncle's partner lost his wife to a younger new guy who moved in the town some 10 years ago. It was a huge to-do, because that doesn't happen in Maine and everybody knows everybody, but both parties MOVED on and still did right by their kids. They're not f-ed up liked you see here, and much of that has to do with the parents and how they handle it. So many kids from divorced families act like they're in HS when the divorce, sure it hurts, but you're an adult, and just like you learned as a kid, you can't FORCE people to do anything. You can't force the relationship. You can only provide best for the welfare of the kids.

Ah, I'm rambling. Stay warm up there.



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Yeah...when someone has an affair the whole county knows about it by morning, lol. It's so true that adults are adults here. It's just so different from anywhere else I've ever lived...and I've lived a lot of places.

My daughter works at one of the movie theatres up here. Most of her co-workers go to either UMO or Husson. I landed a job at one of the few electronics manufacturers in the area. The pay is less than I'm used to, but rents are cheap. You can also buy a place for really cheap here. I almost rented a place right in Bangor a few houses away from Stephen King's house for just $900 a month. It had a jacuzzi, wet bar and a view to die for. I opted for something just outside Bangor, though. I'm only 15 minutes from anything I want.

I'd rather be back in my tiny home town...but there's no work for a single mom up there...fishermen and families and that's about it.

So you're one of those "M*******s"? hehe...I love that word. ;)
 

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I dunno why but there are so many missed connections in the first part of A-Units thread.

The analogy about turning up the heat is about cold blooded animals. The guys who stick it out in horrible straits make bad decisions... If I see that many errors in the start I generally don't bother reading any further.
 

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nitpick: Material and Maternal are not from the same root words.

Material: materia (latin)
Maternal: mater (latin)
 
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