How hard are mixed sets?

[oliver109]

Hi all, I have on 3 or 4 occasions approached girls with guys either in a group or a set with a guy and a girl, it was quite hard to get any momentum going in the set and i did not get any numbers or contacts from those approaches, does it work for you? i find that 2 sets are not that hard when it is both girls or even a girl with a family member, groups of girls are also challenging.

 

[SW15]

Quite challenging. I'd generally recommend avoiding mixed sets. It's not that difficult to avoid them.

 

[oliver109]

Quite challenging. I'd generally recommend avoiding mixed sets. It's not that difficult to avoid them.

Depends where you are, most of the time a hot girl will not be on her own and often in a group with guys, especially if you are approaching at a busy place like a mall or coastal resort or a park on a sunny day, potentially half the of the time the girl will be with friends, half of that time with male friends.

 

[chrisdontmiss]

I've only approached girls who are by themselves but I'd imagine it would be much harder

 

[Masculinity]

It really depends on the context. One concern is the risk of confrontation if one of the males ends up being the target's boyfriend or husband. If that happens, just be remain respectful and excuse yourself. Simply saying "my bad" can defuse a situation.

I have approached mixed sets and turned the friends (male or female) in the group into advocates. Acknowledge their presence and build rapport with them first. The target is secondary until you pull her away for a moment and number-close. Sometimes the guy is so beta or friend-zoned that he will be irrelevant. You may even see your pre-redpill self in some of the guys and feel fad for them. Other times, the guy may block your approach or try to AMOG you.

I have approached mothers with their daughters. "I just wanted to meet you and your daughter and now I realized where she gets her cuteness from." I have had some ignore me or reject me. I have had some moms smile and become part of the conversation.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Hi all, I have on 3 or 4 occasions approached girls with guys either in a group or a set with a guy and a girl, it was quite hard to get any momentum going in the set and i did not get any numbers or contacts from those approaches, does it work for you? i find that 2 sets are not that hard when it is both girls or even a girl with a family member, groups of girls are also challenging.

Just bring the party. Your not trying to get into hers.

I like rsd Ty 6steps especially for noobs. It's best to approach as if it's one big set. Work volume. Start fast. Avoid spectator mode. Assume attraction. Dudes are potential wings not threats (better mindset then every guy will fight). If you approach and vibe with other girls, you can bring other girls in with you vs going in solo. I can open without saying a word. Learn how??? Create routines to bump your state. Create your own routines, gambit, role playing with girls, and games. See humor in EVERYTHING. The game is funny. Pickup and pulling is funny. Finger blasting is funny. Rejection is funny. It's all lulz! Start here.

 

[Zimbabwe]

You need to engage with the whole group and slowly isolate her, the guys will do their best to ****block you

 

[Tilex]

Not hard at all.
It's all about timing.

The first time you interact with the set, you need to bounce in and out.
Engage everyone in the group, say something funny, mention something about the venue, maybe talk about the weather.
Make eye contact with everyone, read their body language and gracefully exit. Do not overextend yourself in this interaction.

Engage with other people or other sets and then come back to that original one.
Your presence will be more inviting to them during the 2nd interaction and they will welcome you into the group.

There's a bit of psychological familiarity behind this.

 

[anonymous12345]

Yeah, sure, sometimes guys are a problem. They feel threatened, gonna play the protectionist, etc. I've sometimes winged other guys (though they never knew it), but it of course would be cool if some guy winged me without having met before or prearranged it.

I think guys in sets can be resources. Girls can be hesitating/on their marks, while you can connect with guys and become "bros" quickly, if you know how to work them. Voila. Now they have socially proofed you, and this can be useful if you're going solo.

This becomes easier if you're a bit "high value"; for instance, this Saturday a bartender complimented my clothing, another guy wanted to cheer, another guy networked (though I initiated), etc. I'm tired of the social hierarchies and status, but girls care about these things. It's probably their hypergamy, they use the social system for judging who has value.

 

[oliver109]

Thanks for the responses guys, any more thoughts on this?

 

[Mike32ct]

I always avoided mixed sets except in the very rare case where they had a “third wheel” girl.

If you are extremely observant, with a 3-set, you might notice a guy and girl couple plus a (possibly single) female friend tagging along. That can possibly work. Try an indirect situational opener on the third wheel girl. She might be bored.

 

[SW15]

I always avoided mixed sets except in the very rare case where they had a “third wheel” girl.

You're correct that this is rare.

If you are extremely observant, with a 3-set, you might notice a guy and girl couple plus a (possibly single) female friend tagging along. That can possibly work. Try an indirect situational opener on the third wheel girl. She might be bored.

I was trying to think about how many times I've noticed this situation when out and about during the past 20+ years. I tend to see this less than once a year. Perhaps I'm not observant enough.

Depends where you are, most of the time a hot girl will not be on her own and often in a group with guys, especially if you are approaching at a busy place like a mall or coastal resort or a park on a sunny day, potentially half the of the time the girl will be with friends, half of that time with male friends.

At the bars, there is zero chance you'll get a woman showing up to the venue alone. You're going to need to isolate her from her set. If you mainly do non-bar approaching, which is what I started doing in the early 2010s, it's common enough to find women alone in the mall, at a park, on a walking/hiking path, at the beach, etc. You are right that there are more and more instances when women are with friends at non-bar venues, which takes away one of the biggest advantages of non-bar approaching (easier isolation).

 

[Mike32ct]

It is a rare setup. Obviously don’t waste time searching for it. But if you pick it up on your radar, fine.

A more common scenario is a two set of girls plus one rando guy who already started gaming one of the girls. A lot of guys will pick up on this and move in on Girl #2. I don’t recommend this. You are unlikely to “split” the set and pull her (unless maybe she’s older and her gf doesn’t gaf). You will usually end up with some creepy MF guy as part of your group. “Instant wingmen” are almost always horrible to deal with. They aren’t your buddy.

 

[RangerMIke]

Hi all, I have on 3 or 4 occasions approached girls with guys either in a group or a set with a guy and a girl, it was quite hard to get any momentum going in the set and i did not get any numbers or contacts from those approaches, does it work for you? i find that 2 sets are not that hard when it is both girls or even a girl with a family member, groups of girls are also challenging.

What the fvck is a 'set'? Just stop this PUA bullcr@p.

If you have a group of human beings and you want to join the group. Men.... women... men & women.... Just observe them for 15 minutes and figure out which one everyone appears to be leading the social group. Then approach them just like you would approach the leader if they were there alone. It's just normal human interaction, don't overthink sh1t.

Every group has a leader, figure out who that is and that how you get in.... but understand, when you do this, until that person leaves, you are going to fall in as a follower until that leader departs. If you go in like you intend to take over and lead anything you'll only create conflict. PUA's fvck this sh1t up all the time because the stupid PUA bullcr@p these PUA's teach only creates a group conflict dynamic and will not work... THAT is why you think this is hard, because if you are talking 'sets' in a group dynamic... this doesn't work.