How do you go about getting into a girl's dms on instagram? What are the fundamentals of instagram game?

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Years away from being able to approach? You won't get better at approaching by not doing it. Set the goal way closer... start with just making eye contact and saying "hi" to women you see in passing. Every time you do it is a win. Build that muscle and then start to get progressively bolder. Before you know it you're having little conversations and can go for a number. Just keep racking up small victories.

Sometimes we have to climb mountains. It can be tempting to stay at base camp scheming and planning for alternate routes, constantly searching for the easiest path. At the end of the day, you'll still be at base camp. Strap on your boots and get climbing, that's how progress is made
 

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You are not even close to being ready to send DMs on Instagram and get an acceptable response rate.

If you want responses on Insta, you need more Followers than Following, a good quantity of Followers, shirtless pics showing off your above average physique, and photos/videos that demonstrate a higher value lifestyle.
I agree with everything except the shirtless pics and absolute quantity of followers. In my opinion is better to not show too much of your body, if you have a good physique it will show with any clothes, preferably stylish classy slightly unique clothes. Anecdotically, I have seen successful guys with as little as 30 followers. Let me clarify that yes, they are above average.
 

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Years away from being able to approach? You won't get better at approaching by not doing it. Set the goal way closer... start with just making eye contact and saying "hi" to women you see in passing. Every time you do it is a win. Build that muscle and then start to get progressively bolder. Before you know it you're having little conversations and can go for a number. Just keep racking up small victories.

Sometimes we have to climb mountains. It can be tempting to stay at base camp scheming and planning for alternate routes, constantly searching for the easiest path. At the end of the day, you'll still be at base camp. Strap on your boots and get climbing, that's how progress is made
Cold approach is too much of a grind in order for me to consider learning it. Ideally I'd want ways to meet women irl that isn't that, but I have no way to do that either. Is there really no alternative to cold approach AND dating apps? Cold approach is an awful idea for someone like me. Nobody's answered the fundamental question I've always posed on this forum: How can I meet women if online no longer yields me any results, I'm not the sort of guy who would be well suited to cold approach, AND apps are literally the only way I've been able to meet women to date for my entire adult life? What the hell do I do then? Why won't anybody just give me a straight answer? People just keep pushing the idea of cold approach on me without any due regard to the nuances of my situation and personality. It's frustrating
 

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If no cold approach and no apps, you'll be limited to women you meet through social circle, work, some sort of shared activity/hobby.

Find a career and/or hobby that puts you in contact with attractive women
 

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If no cold approach and no apps, you'll be limited to women you meet through social circle, work, some sort of shared activity/hobby.

Find a career and/or hobby that puts you in contact with attractive women
But how can I do that when my hobbies are niche and solitary and I've never been able to ever get a date from my social circle either? How can I even begin to have any success trying to meet women irl when meeting them thru apps is literally all I know how to do? In my current situation, quitting dating apps would mean quitting dating all together. I never learned how to interact with women irl and get dates that way like how you're supposed to when you're a teenager. Now I'm 27, apps no longer work, and I'm flailing. Man all the threads I make always just devolve into me saying this over and over, but I've never gotten a satisfying answer
 

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Build a social circle from scratch then
How do I do that after college tho? Especially post covid. American social culture is just so cliquey and closed off, there's just no sense of community anywhere and people aren't looking to get to know others
 

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How do I do that after college tho? Especially post covid. American social culture is just so cliquey and closed off, there's just no sense of community anywhere and people aren't looking to get to know others
I would say making friends after college age is pretty difficult anywhere in the world. It is possible, just slower. I would start getting involved in some clubs/societies/community stuff that are of your interest. Don’t use these environments to try pick up, just friends in general, preferably male friends first. Then female friends. You’ll start meeting the friends of the friends little by little. Filter and get out your way to make friends with social people who will invite you to events, get together, trips etc. I know, easier said than done, because of the initial shallow traits of these interactions, you might be tempted to just forget about it.
 

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I would say making friends after college age is pretty difficult anywhere in the world. It is possible, just slower. I would start getting involved in some clubs/societies/community stuff that are of your interest. Don’t use these environments to try pick up, just friends in general, preferably male friends first. Then female friends. You’ll start meeting the friends of the friends little by little. Filter and get out your way to make friends with social people who will invite you to events, get together, trips etc. I know, easier said than done, because of the initial shallow traits of these interactions, you might be tempted to just forget about it.
I'm not very good at finding those kinda things, though I attend religious lectures every week and I've met some people that way. Still that's the only thing I really do right now where I can socialize on a regular basis. Meetup.com is pretty much useless in my area and like I said I'm not good at finding social events in the first place
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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So they don't approach you. That's what you can definitely be sure of.
Well how do I get them to? Meeting women would be so much less stressful for me if they did that. If a girl approached me irl I would actually really appreciate it. How can I make something like that happen for real? Is it even realistic to expect? Is it possible to learn this power?
 

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Is it even realistic to expect? Is it possible to learn this power?
I doubt he's talking about a super power. Basically all advice in this forum boils down to 'hit the gym more to get in better shape' and 'make more money'.

But as far as getting approached a lot by really hot girls, I wouldn't bank on either of them things to help i'm afraid. VERY few people are gonna have hot young girls walking up to them and hitting on them (bar celebs and stuff of course). I have one friend who gets cold approached a tonne but he's the only one out of hundreds of friends I have. He hit the genetic lottery lol.
 

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I doubt he's talking about a super power. Basically all advice in this forum boils down to 'hit the gym more to get in better shape' and 'make more money'.

But as far as getting approached a lot by really hot girls, I wouldn't bank on either of them things to help i'm afraid. VERY few people are gonna have hot girls walking up to them and hitting on them (bar celebs and stuff of course). I have one friend who gets cold approached a tonne but he's the only one out of hundreds of friends I have. He hit the genetic lottery lol.
Still tho is there any way to increase likelihood of women approaching you? If I could actually find some way to get them to on a consistent enough basis, it would solve a lot of the problems that I won't shut up about on here
 

Create self-fulfilling prophecies. Always assume the positive. Assume she likes you. Assume she wants to talk to you. Assume she wants to go out with you. When you think positive, positive things happen.

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Build a social circle from scratch then
How do I do that after college tho? Especially post covid. American social culture is just so cliquey and closed off, there's just no sense of community anywhere and people aren't looking to get to know others
Your options are:

1. Swipe apps, where men face many disadvantages. Swipe apps are a big sausage fest and you're nowhere near the Top 10-20% in looks. At best, you'll be able to slam some overweight woman pussie with what you offer. And said overweight woman will probably put you through many hoops to do so. Many swipe app experiments show that overweight women have more abundance of Likes on the apps than Top 10-20% in looks men.
2. Instagram, where your profile is nowhere near optimization
3. Approaching strangers, either at nightlife venues or non-bar venues
4. Building a social circle

Your realistic options are Options 3 and 4.

Social circle introductions are the best option for a normie range guy. Most men are normie range.

Social circle is great for getting a girlfriend. Pay close attention to the words "a girlfriend". That means one girlfriend. If you're looking for an extended relationship (2-5 years or more), your best bet for getting that with the least amount of grief and frustration is social circle. Many men who get social circle girlfriends tend to retain those girlfriends for a long time and often beyond the useful life of the relationship. A lot of the social circle girlfriend guys are beta males and beta males operate from a scarcity mindset. It's common to see a 10 year+ relationship from social circle which does lead to a marriage proposal.

For men with social circles, the problem with the social circle method eventually becomes sustainability as social circles get pissed at men who continually exchange girlfriends, even if the relationships are semi-long (1-4 years). The behavior described in the last sentence is serial monogamy, so it is accurate to say that social circles get pissed off at serial monogamists. It is important to remember that social circles generally have a blue pill viewpoint on romantic relationships. A man might be able to pull 2 LTRs from a social circle without marrying one. After 2 instances, he will have typically bled the social circle dry. This is known as "poisoning the well".

When the paragraph above starts applying to men, they will either need to have stranger approaching skills, or they need to start developing them.

Most men with normie range looks will have a rather difficult time in approaching strangers for many reasons. It's inefficient. You'll probably be starting a lot of conversations with women with existing boyfriends, and that's even if you optimize your venue selection for approaching. The good thing is that most of those interactions will fall flat and die within 30-60 seconds, probably before she can even tell you she has a boyfriend.

Also, after about ages 30-35, if you were to build a social circle with similarly aged people, most of them would be in LTRs and the majority of their contacts would also be in LTRs and married. I'm 40 years old right now and all my mid-30s to mid-40s contacts are married people, and most of these marrieds have kids.

While I am not a social outcast due to my personality and vibe, I am in a different place in lifestyle than a lot of my social connections, and that impacts the relationships.

My social circle at this time cannot provide me with the introductions that I need to find dates. Even when I was 30, that was true as well. It's even possible to have friends but not have social connections that can provide you with meaningful introductions. When I was 30, my mid-20s to mid-30s contacts were either unattached people or people in extended, non-marital relationships who were all childless. Although my social circle was stronger on paper at 30 than 40, it still wasn't capable of anything meaningful.

I would say making friends after college age is pretty difficult anywhere in the world. It is possible, just slower. I would start getting involved in some clubs/societies/community stuff that are of your interest. Don’t use these environments to try pick up, just friends in general, preferably male friends first. Then female friends. You’ll start meeting the friends of the friends little by little. Filter and get out your way to make friends with social people who will invite you to events, get together, trips etc. I know, easier said than done, because of the initial shallow traits of these interactions, you might be tempted to just forget about it.
That's the biggest issue with social circle game. Most men have an immediate sexual need, yet it takes years to build an effective social circle. Even if a man can make friends in the way that you describe, there's no guarantee that he can make friends with people with valuable social contacts.

If someone approaches strangers, they are going directly to the source of pussie. However, these direct approaches are judged more harshly than an introduction from a trusted mutual acquaintance.

Still tho is there any way to increase likelihood of women approaching you? If I could actually find some way to get them to on a consistent enough basis, it would solve a lot of the problems that I won't shut up about on here
There isn't for most men. Even 'Chad' tier guys have to approach in-person if they choose that method. 'Chads' who choose that method might get more indicators of interest/approach invitations and have easier approaches than more normie range guys, but even they can't rely on women approaching them.

Eliot Rodger the incel was pissed that his BMW 328 and designer clothes weren't even for college aged women to approach him at a college known for attractive women and a party environment. Eliot Rodger did one total approach lifetime and the interaction lasted less than 15 seconds.
 

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That's the biggest issue with social circle game. Most men have an immediate sexual need, yet it takes years to build an effective social circle. Even if a man can make friends in the way that you describe, there's no guarantee that he can make friends with people with valuable social contacts.
This is a huge concern of mine. People have told me to expand my social circle but as an introverted guy it's daunting and there's only so much I'd be able to get out of it. I'm terrible at finding social events or things I can do regardless. ANother thing is that even if I expand my social circle, it's actually very unlikely to meet women who are single, attractive, and willing to date me. From my experience if I come across a woman irl who's attractive and interesting she already has a boyfriend. But regardless I would expect anywhere I go to try and expand my social circle to be a sausage fest. I'd have to try to expand my social circle and grind and grind and try to meet people when the likelihood that I'll meet a woman who's worthwhile and willing to date me is no higher than it would be on apps. Furthermore if I try to do this for a sustained period and i don't meet women or make any connections out of it, I'll have no motivation to continue and will just give up. Everything anybody has suggested to me ends up being a huge long shot, and no advice I've heard has been able to make me ditch the dating apps for good. At the end of the day I feel like there's nothing that will give me any better results than what I'm accustomed to on apps.
 

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There isn't for most men. Even 'Chad' tier guys have to approach in-person if they choose that method. 'Chads' who choose that method might get more indicators of interest/approach invitations and have easier approaches than more normie range guys, but even they can't rely on women approaching them.
Man that really makes me sad. For a guy like me to meet a woman in real life and eventually come to date her, it would almost have to be the women approaching me in order for that to succeed. I would really appreciate it if a woman did that. I really wish women approached guys more often. Maybe we should try to implement a psyop to convince women to start doing that lol. Is there really not any way to get women to approach you or at least make it more likely? God I'd be so much less stressed out about my problems meeting women if women actually did that sometimes. Are there any cultures in the world where it's more normal for women to approach men?
 

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Listen OLD largely does not work if you want hot girls aged 18-24. They will always see you as a beta. I have spoken with guys with hundreds of thousands of followers and they all say the same. None of them meet girls on the gram, even though girls slide in their DMs. You can have some success online but it’s usually the worst way to meet girls ESPECIALLY if you are a HVM/Chad and want a girl on your level
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

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