Hot married babe, would you do it?

[Latinoman]

So we are talking about the difference between commitments and contracts...

marriage = contract

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

marriage = contract

A contract with a great golden parachute for women and a fvcked up escape clause for men.

 

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Res ipsa loquitur.

 

[STR8UP]

Okay...lets assume your business partner is with this slut (money hungry slut).

Let's say something happens to him that cost his life. Do you the difference between having that "money hungry slut" as a girlfriend vs. having her as a wife?

As a girlfriend...she is out of the picture.

As a wife...she will take over his portion of the business and if she wants too...she can sell her portion.

That's the difference between LEGAL commitment and commitment.

You are talking about how this will affect the HUSBAND. I am talking about how it will effect the lover.

I never denied that there was a legal difference.

I was saying that I personally do not make a distinction between the two when it comes to my own morals, and I don't make a distinction when it comes to deciding if I want to have sex with a woman, although some guys seem to think that marriage is some sort of sacred bond, which is utter bullsh!t.

 

[blueguy]

:yes:

In fact, if you do it halfway good, she will often give her power to you ...

That depends if the willingly manipulative woman is not just using you to tick her husband off and consequently blow your brains out with a handgun.

 

[Bonhomme]

Didn't one of the fellows already address the venue issue?

 

[Rudra]

Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.

or put in simpler words:

Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

This is the so-called categorical imperative, the central philosophical concept of the moral philosophy of Immanuel Kant. One of the greatest philosophers of all times.

Would you like your wife cheating on you? Then go ahead with that hot married babe. Wouldn´t you? Then let it be.

 

[Bonhomme]

The problem with the "golden rule" is that everybody want to be "done unto" in different ways.

I might enjoy someone blasting some whacked-out spazz-rock, whereas someone else might be driven crazy by it.

I've found that everything comes down to circumstances. But beware of people using that as a cop-out from responsibility.

 

[Mr.Positive]

The problem with the "golden rule" is that everybody want to be "done unto" in different ways.

I might enjoy someone blasting some whacked-out spazz-rock, whereas someone else might be driven crazy by it.

I've found that everything comes down to circumstances. But beware of people using that as a cop-out from responsibility.

Are you suggesting that some guys would WANT to have their wives cheat on them?

I'd say, as a general rule, most married men would not.

 

[Bonhomme]

I've known people who are in "open" relationships that have worked fine for them.

Usually it's the woman who's less likely to be into such an arrangement.

A lot of people "cheat." Some just have come to grips with the reality of their desires and are straight about it.

And in some cases there's just not much you can do for the guy who's being cheated on left, right, and center anyway. Or perhaps the fellow's a total azzhole who really deserves it. There are many possible circumstances. I've never done it with a married woman myself, but can understand what grinder and STR8UP were saying earlier in the thread.

As a mental exercise regarding awareness of the many possibilities under a given set of circumstances, try the little tests that are found here: http://www.dh.id.au/InfTest1.htm

All people in law, especially jurors, should have to score a certain minimum on tests along those lines, IMNSHO.

 

[Mr.Positive]

You know, all the responses to this thread (which have been excellent), have me thinking about this in terms of a best case/worst case scenario.

Best case: I go over to her house for dinner. She's an amazing cook, our connection/attraction is through the roof, and we have the best sex of our lives. Her husband is a worthless prick, whom she was going to divorce anyway, and we continue a relationship of no strings great sex.

Worst case: I go over to her house. She's a horrible cook. Her house is a mess, she has 10 cats who sh!t everywhere, and the sex is the worst I've ever had. During the sex, the condom breaks, she tells me to stop in the middle to inform me that she has aids, hepatitis c, and crabs, from the other 20 guys she's currently cheating with. While I wallow in shock, the husband, a 7 foot tall caveman, walks in and squeezes my head to a pulp.

Notice how the best case is no where near the worst case.

Even with the best case, I still compromised my values (not judging anyone here)..but I sacrificed something that I hold important. I do value marriage, being the idealist that I am. The 'idealist' marriage so to speak.

For what? A night of 'possible' great sex? Also, for a woman where the sex would not lead to any sort of lasting satisfying relationship. She would always be a 'cheater' - major red flag.

The worst thing a guy can do is think that he's different, and that a cheater would not cheat on him.

Also, too add, you would still always have a husband rooming around out there that was cheated on. I don't want to live wondering what that guy could or would attempt to do.

I think it's better to focus the time and energy wasted on a situation like this, to focus on finding quality women who are single and available.

I guess what I'm saying is...the best case scenario with a cheating wife no where NEAR comes close to the best case scenario with a single quality woman.

I'll focus on the single quality woman.

 

[STR8UP]

I'll focus on the single quality woman.

Focus on single women...absolutely. But we're ALL opportunists when it comes to sex, anyone who says different is lying.

 

[Mr.Positive]

Focus on single women...absolutely. But we're ALL opportunists when it comes to sex, anyone who says different is lying.

True, however my point is that as men, we should have enough self-control to CHOOSE which opportunity is worth pursuing.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

The problem with the "golden rule" is that everybody want to be "done unto" in different ways.....

The "golden rule" has little if any foundation other than making you feel good (any maybe playing the morality card). Consider the non-smokers who have died from Cancer because of second hand smoke. Consider a mother, father and their nine month old daugher who dies while driving home from Grandma's on a Saturday night because they got broadsided by a drunk driver who miraclessly survives the accident.

Consider the contless men, women and children who have shot dead at school or work by some pissed of guy who just broken up with his girlfriend, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time because they either was trying to get an education of make enough money for the mortgage... "Golden rule..." Pffffttttttt......

The Golden Rule, Karma, Faith and the like are pannaceas that help people get through life, it's just another form of "hope." Hope has no effect on your destiny nor the destinies of others. Consider my examples, did hope or the golden rule help any of those people in their times of need? At best it gives them some solice if something beyond their control happens.

Your actions have outcomes, or consequences for those who enjoy focusing on the possible fear, gloom and doom of their actions. I seldom hear about the consequences of someone who gets a good education or someone who achieves in securing a career that's viable to them. Are their outcomes consequences? Bygones...

The purpose of this sermon was to point out that the many of the "feel good" sayings tossed around in society only do one thing, they make you feel good, it has little bearing on what's happening around you; anyone remember "Don't worry be happy?" What Bonhomme said about people wanting to be done onto in different ways is an attestment that projecting those sayings (your epectations) beyond yourself into the rest of the world is akin to putting your fate into someone elses hands.

 

[STR8UP]

I'm sorta kicking myself for this one...

Your words....the first line in your post.

You were caught with your pants down (bad euphamism) and in retrospect you didn't react how you would have liked to.

95% of the time when an attractive woman propositions a man and he "turns her down" it isn't him "making a choice". Your monkey brain isn't wired that way

 

[STR8UP]

The "golden rule" has little if any foundation other than making you feel good (any maybe playing the morality card). Consider the non-smokers who have died from Cancer because of second hand smoke. Consider a mother, father and their nine month old daugher who dies while driving home from Grandma's on a Saturday night because they got broadsided by a drunk driver who miraclessly survives the accident.

Consider the contless men, women and children who have shot dead at school or work by some pissed of guy who just broken up with his girlfriend, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time because they either was trying to get an education of make enough money for the mortgage... "Golden rule..." Pffffttttttt......

The Golden Rule, Karma, Faith and the like are pannaceas that help people get through life, it's just another form of "hope." Hope has no effect on your destiny nor the destinies of others. Consider my examples, did hope or the golden rule help any of those people in their times of need? At best it gives them some solice if something beyond their control happens.

Your actions have outcomes, or consequences for those who enjoy focusing on the possible fear, gloom and doom of their actions. I seldom hear about the consequences of someone who gets a good education or someone who achieves in securing a career that's viable to them. Are their outcomes consequences? Bygones...

The purpose of this sermon was to point out that the many of the "feel good" sayings tossed around in society only do one thing, they make you feel good, it has little bearing on what's happening around you; anyone remember "Don't worry be happy?" What Bonhomme said about people wanting to be done onto in different ways is an attestment that projecting those sayings (your epectations) beyond yourself into the rest of the world is akin to putting your fate into someone elses hands.

Francisco....I think this might be your best post to date.

My take....bad behavior DOES come back to you eventually, but not the way most people would have you believe. It just catches up to you when you fukk with the wrong person.

In the case of screwing someone's wife, yea, the hubby could put a cap in your ass, but it's unlikely. A jealous husbands anger is misdirected if it is focused on anyone other than his wife anyway. And that's not even what we are talking about here.

When you fukk someone elses wife or g/f YOU aren't doing anything wrong. When you ARE the wife or g/f, you ARE doing something wrong. If it's your best friends girl, that's a different story.

What if you didn't KNOW she was married? You still fukked a married woman. Is Karma gonna get you in a case like this?

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...When you fukk someone elses wife or g/f YOU aren't doing anything wrong. When you ARE the wife or g/f, you ARE doing something wrong. If it's your best friends girl, that's a different story.

:yes: You've got it. In your first example, you are just a third party (unless you yourself have committed yourself to someone). She is cheating on her husband. Who are you cheating on, her husband too?

...
What if you didn't KNOW she was married? You still fukked a married woman. Is Karma gonna get you in a case like this?

Good point. All Karma does is give people a reason to b1tch and gripe sometime in the future when they are in the wrong place at the wrong time, they can blame it on Karma (an easy scapegoat).

 

[Mr.Positive]

Your words....the first line in your post.

You were caught with your pants down (bad euphamism) and in retrospect you didn't react how you would have liked to.

You are right. At the time of this post, which was only hours after, I was questioning my reaction. Honestly, I was thinking "how in the f*ck could I have passed this up?"

In essence, I wasn't thinking clearly due to the temptation, and male instinct.

However, I'm glad I did make, what I feel, is the right decision. The right decision for me that is, not everyone.

 

[Mr.Positive]

The Golden Rule, Karma, Faith and the like are pannaceas that help people get through life, it's just another form of "hope." Hope has no effect on your destiny nor the destinies of others. Consider my examples, did hope or the golden rule help any of those people in their times of need? At best it gives them some solice if something beyond their control happens.

The purpose of this sermon was to point out that the many of the "feel good" sayings tossed around in society only do one thing, they make you feel good, it has little bearing on what's happening around you; anyone remember "Don't worry be happy?" What Bonhomme said about people wanting to be done onto in different ways is an attestment that projecting those sayings (your epectations) beyond yourself into the rest of the world is akin to putting your fate into someone elses hands.

Great post, this is very deep, and a lot to ponder.

I guess the real question is really whether you live your life in a manner so as to expect returns for your actions. Whether by doing unto others, as you would like done to you, is just a mask for what we expect to happen...what we "feel" we deserve in life.

Karma doesn't pay dividends for good behavior.

However, maybe....just maybe, a lot of societies problems would dissappear if men, in general, would go back to being men again.

To lead..

...to have honor in the way we conduct ourselves. In the way we face challenges. To make decisions that are above our personal needs, above ourselves, for just the sake of believing that it is for the greater good of the "whole", instead of the individual parts that are so apparent in our faces everyday.

To lead, as men, maybe women will follow. Maybe, in a society where values are not rewarded, where confusion of gender roles and right/wrong of cheating in marriages, where women are grabbing whatever branch that resembles strength, just to have that branch break on them...

Maybe, if more men lead as individuals, the group, as a whole will benefit.

Maybe, if more men made the right decisions, just for the fact that they were the right thing to do..there is HONOR in that, and the reward for honor is not apparant in our day and age.

The reward..is within ourselves.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...Karma doesn't pay dividends for good behavior.

...Maybe, if more men lead as individuals, the group, as a whole will benefit.

...The reward..is within ourselves.

'Nuff said.