history lessons

[aliasguy]

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Well, PK, I'd love to push your buttons all night, but I gotta go to bed.
PM me if you want - we'll clear this up.

Love ya, baby!!!!
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[ketostix]

ok, so no one really wants to talk about the very old history but what about the dawn of america?
there are diaries that date back to these settlers and children of settlers that write about their lives.
in the beginning of our country, women were not allowed to vote and the man controlled the money, unless he asked her to help ,very primary education and she stayed at home while he went off to work.
the men left the home and went out into the wicked world , and worked in all sorts of conditions, some very hazardous. he couldn't wait to get home to relax. he felt his wife had it great because she stayed home to relax all day.
on the other hand, she took care of children, planted and tilled the crops , cooked, churned butter, made candles, killed chickens by her own hands,sewed and spun all day and educated the children the best she could . all she did was work with no break and did not leave home.
if her husband died, she did not even get to keep their things unless she had a son to inherit it. it would go to the state.

however, if she did not marry, she was expected to be a primary school teacher or a spinner because that was about the only jobs available.

so the choices were, to either marry and be submissive to a man and raise a family with all the hard work one must endure OR become a spinster.

if men did not want to marry, they could choose other occupations.

some women wrote in their diaries about how they hated being a slave to a man that they did not love, how they only missed their husband who had been out of town for months a little and others wrote about how their husbands were their best friends and couldn't imagine life without them.

some longed for education, but men thought women were too stupid to go to school and become doctors and such.

I disagree that this is very factual. Women had wealth and prestige even in the colonial days. But the point is women complain and b!tch and blame men and claim unfareness no matter how good women have it. The past has nothing to do with justifying women getting advantages now.

All that matters now is the present. And if a guy expects anything good from a woman he's going to find it in high demand and short supply. I think I'm done with this thread.

 

[penkitten]

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AFC husbands

why are husbands referred to as afc these days?

 

[aliasguy]

why are husbands referred to as afc these days?

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ok, I lied, I'm going to bed in 15 minutes.

Not all husbands are AFC's (but I was)

But a lot are, and THAT is a benefit to many married women. (sorta!!!)

That's all i meant.

G' nite, sweetie......




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[STR8UP]

let me hime in.


the purpose of this thread is not a history of women, it is supposed to show a connection in lieu to women and being as feminist as they are, which it does not.

Agreed.

Women are the way they are today because we are on the "yin" side of a cultural shift that began as a good idea (giving women some of the same basic rights as men) and turned into an "I am woman, hear me ROAR" free for all that has the entire western world confused as to who and what a woman and a man are supposed to be.

I firmly believe that we are at the forefront of a grass roots movement that will shift things back a little closer to "normal". The "yang" will have its day.

Sosuave, the show "The Pickup Artist", simply the awareness of terms such as "wingman" (a guy at the party I was at last saturday said to me "c'mon, I need a wingman" as he pulled me over to dance with some girls) show me that men are catching on to the fact that they have been getting the short end of the stick for the past few decades.

Oh sure, women will always be women. They will always have their core desires. they want to have kids and decorate a home. We don't live in a society of "role reversals", we live in a society of "role confusion".

Want to make a woman's brain explode? As soon as she starts talking some irrational bullsh!t, counter every point she tries to make with cold hard LOGIC.

My last LTR always talked about how she wanted to have this big career in one breath, and how she wanted to have the perfect family and that she wanted to stay home with each baby for at least a year in her next breath.

Ok rocket scientist, how do you propose you're going to pull all of that off? You think you're gonna be able to leave work for a year every now and then and the world is going to stop spinning until you get back?

Women don't understand that their "push for equality" comes at a price. Who suffers? Well, the kids for one. Instead of coming home to a mother, they come home to the internet and video games.

Men also suffer, financially and emotionally. Want to gamble with 60% odds that you will lose half you wealth? Get married! Then you have the guys out there gunning down 30 people at their university because some chick rejected them.

But you want to know the kicker? The kicker is that this whole feminist thing has BACKFIRED on women and now they are left wondering why they can't find a decent man! Well DUH! You told him to go away now you wonder where he's at!

Women are having their heyday. But their days are limited. Men are catching on, and they aren't going to sit around and watch themselves be lampooned while they jerk off to internet porn forever.

 

[penkitten]

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Not all husbands are AFC's (but I was)

But a lot are, and THAT is a benefit to many married women. (sorta!!!)

why are more and more men becoming afc's now?
is it because there were not enough male role models?
is it because our mothers taught their sons to become what they wanted them to , and set women free of what they already endured?
the benefits that come to a bitter woman who has a vulnerable husband who jumps when she stomps her foot, is very rewarding to her.
now, how many married men do you know that honestly have control over their own finances? their free time?

 

[joekerr31]

I disagree that this is very factual. Women had wealth and prestige even in the colonial days. But the point is women complain and b!tch and blame men and claim unfareness no matter how good women have it. The past has nothing to do with justifying women getting advantages now.

all women secretly are angry that they are physically weaker than men. women just hate the fact that at the end of the day they can't stand up to a man face to face.

they do the best they can with it, they admire a man for it, they will harness a man's power on their behalf (kind of taming a wild horse) - but all the while they recent that while having equal intelligence to a man, they are none the less subordinate due to physical strength.

a woman's only protection from a man's physical strength is other men.

even when guns came on to the scene this didn't change anything (since most people aren't murderers at heart).

never underestimate the role simple physical strength plays in the huge difference between the genders.

 

[penkitten]

st8up
your reply was so insightful and i agreed with it.
except i don't know what you meant by the limited time with all this hillary running for president stuff going on.
what if she gets elected? how will that change things for women?

 

[penkitten]

all women secretly are angry that they are physically weaker than men. .

i don't know about being secretly angry but it is frustrating when you are not strong enough to do something that is needed to be done without depending on a man to do it for you.
for instance, changing a tire. most women do not know how. never learned. i know how, but can not get the lug nuts off because i am not strong enough. there is only so much strength in my 100 lbs ... however, while trying to loosen the lug nut, i will admit to be openly angry that i could not get the thing to budge and had to resort to paying someone to do it for me.

 

[joekerr31]

But you want to know the kicker? The kicker is that this whole feminist thing has BACKFIRED on women and now they are left wondering why they can't find a decent man! Well DUH! You told him to go away now you wonder where he's at!

Women are having their heyday. But their days are limited. Men are catching on, and they aren't going to sit around and watch themselves be lampooned while they jerk off to internet porn forever.

women are losing, its just not always evident. i've had 2 women in my past want to marry me. but i didn't marry them.

the reason? while i enjoyed screwing them and being aroudn them, they had issues that they weren't prepared to acknowledge they had. as a result, i deemed them unfit to be a mother to my children (given that we would have them if i got married).

those two women lost out on a great guy (me). they chalked it up in their minds as me being commitment phobic, but the truth was, they didn't know how to be a mature woman. not enough such that i could feel comfortable putting my future on the line with them (more specifically creating lives with them!).

women THINk they have power becuase they can go out and spread their legs and get laid - but the truth is that women have always had that power.

but because (most) women have watched too much Oprah and filled their heads with silly ideas that really only apply if you're a multibillionaire, us men suffer also because there are less quality women around.

 

[penkitten]

us men suffer also because there are less quality women around.

from what i read, they had quality issues in the past.
i think that is why there were so many rules on women in the past. it was to ensure men that a wife would have certain qualities/ abide by those rules.

 

[joekerr31]

i don't know about being secretly angry but it is frustrating when you are not strong enough to do something that is needed to be done without depending on a man to do it for you.

dont you find it strange how many guys on here are so focused on needing a woman, and yet, in reality, a man doesn't really need a woman for anything other than getting laid and sharing an emotional bond?

i can tell you this much. i can cook better than a woman, i do my own wash, etc.

a woman honestly doesn't enhance my life in any other way other than if i enjoy her company and the sex i get.

but when i think of the benefits a woman gets from me? i help her think straight when she's emotionally upset. if things need lifting no problem. she gets protection when im walking with her at night. she gets the potential of me as a provider for her and children (if she plays her cards right). etc.

seems a bit lopsided to me. women must scratch their heads at how, in exchange for basically sex, they get so much in return.

 

[joekerr31]

from what i read, they had quality issues in the past.
i think that is why there were so many rules on women in the past. it was to ensure men that a wife would have certain qualities/ abide by those rules.

correct. it was always though that women left to their own devices would cause a mess.

and they do!

because women will pit males against males and use her p*ssy to do it. this is why society created rules and norms to try and minimize how much women could pit men against men.

today though most of those rules nad norms are gone. women are encouraged to use their p*ssy to pit man against man and to get the best deal she can from the market. many women live life with the prostitute mentality.

and i actually hold that the reason everyrhing is a mess right now is because men have allowed women to control them. men will go against other men, steal their women, c*ckblock, AMOG, etc. - all because a woman flashes the p*ssy. and guys think they are being 'alpha' screwing other guys over, but in reality they are being controlled by the p*ssy.

and so everything degenerates into what it has - a society were a lot of people are simply out using each other to satisfy their base desires.

 

[STR8UP]

st8up
your reply was so insightful and i agreed with it.
except i don't know what you meant by the limited time with all this hillary running for president stuff going on.
what if she gets elected? how will that change things for women?

If it weren't for the fact that the president is "controlled" by many outside influences, I would be worried sh!tless. I don't believe that (most) women have a place being in charge. they always have something to prove, and they are still WOMEN, and as such are not capable of rational thought in the same way that men are.

Like I said....this is GRASS ROOTS.

I'm not even sure that I will still be able to get it up when things really begin to change.

But even riding on Bill's popularity (and Bush's UNpopularity) I doubt America is ready for a female commander in chief.

 

[joekerr31]

oh just one other thing...

when i hear women talking about the history of women in real life (not referring to this thread pk)... i kind of have to laugh.

its like me referring to my scottish geneology as though it has anything to do with me today.

"i am woman hear me roar" means about as much to me as some white kid who grew up in california saying "i am irish hear me roar"

my reaction is to laugh and think to myself "wtf are you talking about? who cares that your a woman or from irish descent. means nothing to me. "

 

[ketostix]

i don't know about being secretly angry but it is frustrating when you are not strong enough to do something that is needed to be done without depending on a man to do it for you.
for instance, changing a tire. most women do not know how. never learned. i know how, but can not get the lug nuts off because i am not strong enough. there is only so much strength in my 100 lbs ... however, while trying to loosen the lug nut, i will admit to be openly angry that i could not get the thing to budge and had to resort to paying someone to do it for me.

I've stumbled across and I've changed 3 tires on 3 occassions for women who cars broken down. I've worked on cars for years so it was really just nothing for me to do it and I was trying to be helpful. Now 2 of them who were younger didn't even seem grateful or even offered me a dime. That made me feel like and they acted I was a sucker and they were entitled after I fixed it. One a middle aged woman did give me $5. Guess which woman I felt respect for?This is what I'm getting at msot women have no respect or gratitude towards men or anything they do.

So you have women driving around in cars, just to name one technology, that men invented and mostly built. What I'm getting at is, if the shoe was on the other foot so many women are so jealous and selfish of men they would've most likely never brought technology like automobiles to the market because it would benefit men who didn't "deserve" it. This might seem extreme, but it's really true. Try being a man in a female dominated field. This is how women treat msot men with their pvssies, their affection etc.

 

[STR8UP]

all women secretly are angry that they are physically weaker than men. women just hate the fact that at the end of the day they can't stand up to a man face to face.

Is that a form of "penis envy"?

a woman's only protection from a man's physical strength is other men.

Very very interesting point. Could the manipulative nature of women have something to do with the fact that they must be able to have a "safety net"?

 

[ketostix]

from what i read, they had quality issues in the past.
i think that is why there were so many rules on women in the past. it was to ensure men that a wife would have certain qualities/ abide by those rules.

Bingo. The problem is now there aren't any quality assurance program for women in place.

 

[penkitten]

dont you find it strange how many guys on here are so focused on needing a woman, and yet, in reality, a man doesn't really need a woman for anything other than getting laid and sharing an emotional bond?

i can tell you this much. i can cook better than a woman, i do my own wash, etc.

a woman honestly doesn't enhance my life in any other way other than if i enjoy her company and the sex i get.

but when i think of the benefits a woman gets from me? i help her think straight when she's emotionally upset. if things need lifting no problem. she gets protection when im walking with her at night. she gets the potential of me as a provider for her and children (if she plays her cards right). etc.

seems a bit lopsided to me. women must scratch their heads at how, in exchange for basically sex, they get so much in return.

you and i both know that not all men know how to function without a woman.
just like some women can not function without a man.
i am going to go so far as to say it is how you were brought up.
if you are brought up to do the things that you need to , and that being with someone is for companionship and not out of need , then i think you are less likely to ever become defendant on another.
lots of men and women are not raised to be independent, they need the other gender to get along in life and taught that is how it is supposed to be.

 

[STR8UP]

those two women lost out on a great guy (me). they chalked it up in their minds as me being commitment phobic, but the truth was, they didn't know how to be a mature woman. not enough such that i could feel comfortable putting my future on the line with them (more specifically creating lives with them!).

Being the serial boyfriend I once was, I had 3 that would have married me.

And you gotta love the "commitmentphobe" label.

Nah, couldn't be YOU honey.