Have you guys ever given up

Jariel

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Re: well

Originally posted by kk2004
Well see its just that this girl who u refer to introduced me to a society or people or whatever, where everyone has sex with each other like every two weeks,

I think this is part of your problem. You're comparing yourself to these people and because you're not getting sex as often as them, you feel inadequate and feel a lot of pressure on you to keep up.

For the record, women who have sex with different guys every two weeks are slvts. You should be aiming higher and looking down your nose at women like this.

It's impossible for you to relax when you put so much pressure on yourself. You are sure to feel anxious about speaking to women if you make them such a big part of your life.

My advice to you is take a month off women and get back to other things you enjoy. It really worked for me and ironically it started drawing women towards me.
 

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hmmm...

Q Unit... thats very intresting.. I never thought about it like that. That Im so wound up that Im feeling anxiety from things that I am completly safe from. Now I need to just find a way to reduce my irrational anxiety.

thefonz..I was hoping that my anxiety in social situations would go away. Your telling me that if I can control my maladaptive thoughts and negative thinking that I can change how I feel and learn to cope. What would I need to change about my thoughts?
NO..I dont want to live a life of secrecy throughout my youth. What must I change about the way i view situations? I think what your trying to say is that I shouldnt look at things in a negative way, where Im judging myself and making myself feel miserable, rather to take a new angle like "Im improving, slowly and over time I def will get better" will help me and my mental health. Why is the word should removed from my vocab?
Maybe Im expecting too much from myself, to the point where it is unhealthy and depressing. This comparison is ruining my self esttem and making me feel miserable.

Hanging out with my ex-gf and her friends made me feel "really" good about myself, it made me feel..okay...normal..cool...liked..bcuz it was a niche and clicky, where if your not part of the "in" group then you never get a chance to hang out with them. I felt cool, bcuz my ex-gf had been around the block so many times, almost all the girls she knew had been and all the guys the talked about had been too. It felt like I was part of something bigger..I felt special to be part of a group and I felt even better that my ex-gf was part of the "cool" group bcuz here in NYC in the prep schools if you where italian then your where considered cool or if you where rich or if you moved around alot and had a busy social life. Now that I dont have that my self esteem took a hit, and Im feeling frustrated and anguished to fill it up however I can.

I guess all this means I have low self esteem, bcuz I have this need to feel okay..or cool... or normal...that means I dont feel normal right now, that I think there is something wrong with me. I think that feeling that there is something wrong with me comes from all the negative, incorrect and maladaptive thinking that I have, its about all the negative self talk along with the external factors of bullies and harsh people that made the mistake I started to believe them. I have to unprogram myself to think that Im not a bad person and I need to feel good about who I am.

thefonz--i never aimed this far up when I got with my ex-gf. I happened to fall aopn her and discover all this and in Highschool this was cool, and so when I met her in college and I got to know her better and realized that this was "cool", i needed her more and more for my self esteem deficency. hence the reason why she broke up with me.

Jariel you hit the nail on the head.

I think this is part of your problem. You're comparing yourself to these people and because you're not getting sex as often as them, you feel inadequate and feel a lot of pressure on you to keep up.

Im not pushing myself and comparing purposly or consiously, its just that I want it back so badly becuase I want something back that makes me feel good about myself. I cant relax and there feels so much pressure on top of me because I want to stroke my ego and fill my self esteem and make me feel good. I think I expect so much and want this so badly is bcuz it would make me feel better about who I am.

So in the end of all things it all comes down to wild negative thoughts and wrong... self thoughts with a very low self esteem..I think.

I sometimes feel like a loser and ****ty becasue I tell myself that I have no freinds that I must suck or when Im lonely then I start to feel bad and say nothing but still feel bad that Im alone. Then when I compare myself to other people, I feel even worse.

Its a trap Ive fallen into, and I dont know how to get out.

Your Right I cant relax around people, bcuz subconsiously I feel bad about myself and I feel inadequate or inferior. So everytime I face a social situation then I feel anxious bcuz Im trying my hardest to put up a good image and im trying to get attention so I can feel accepted. Probelm here is the Low self esteem.

Its just that, I need things to make me feel good about myself, or other people or knowing many people and being popular and messing with many girls was cool..that if you did those things meant that you where okay person otherwise you where inadequate. How do I know that I am an okay person, if I dont have any of those things, such as a gf or many friends or "in" people then how ill I feel good about myself?

What credibility do I have when I tell myself that I am okay and just rely on my own opinion when I can have tons of "cool" friends and hot gf's on me making me feel good?

I think I need to find a new source for my self-esteem, AND THATS ME, problem is that I dont believe myself when I tell myself that I am okay.

Its easier for a girl with low self esteem..bcuz all she has to do is offer her body..or give it up easily.. and in return get love and affection from a guy making her feel good. A guy cant do that or give up anything for affection and assurance.
 

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I don't envy most naturals. They get girls before they have the maturity to handle them and cannot deal with the consequences of sex. They end up with a kid at 16, divorced before 30, and a broken shell of a man. They're like lottery winners who lose their millions in a year. Starting late in life, you're better off than most naturals.

You're also ahead of all the AFCs who never received this information. Reading and reading the dj bible was not time wasted. You know how to be an ideal man. You only need the will to acheive it.

Why give up when you have so much going for you? You seem to regard yourself highly (good looking, funny, etc.) -- so just assume others will do the same.
 

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Hey kk2004,

A couple of observations. I may be an old bastard in comparison, but you're nineteen and have heaps of time to find yourself.

Focus on fun, find a passion, follow your dreams. The true source of self-esteem is when you can say to yourself that I'm being true to myself and trying to do what I consider worthwhile. I am following my dream to write for Tv and am closer than I thought I would ever be and I feel good about myself.

Girls sense when you're happy and they approach you. I'm no superstar with the chicks, but I get my fair share just the same.

Take on constructive criticism, but don't give a **** about what other people think about you.

THIS IS IMPORTANT. You can't control everything that happens to or around you but you can control your own reaction to what happens.

YOU ARE IN CONTROL.

Be a sponge for positive comments and have an invisible force field that deflects negative stuff.

Hope you can get something from this. Do waht you want and have fun.
 

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Im so frustrated with this whole *****in game, so many *****in rules and positions and the whole alpha deal, it feels like a science class with formulas and pickups with panty wetting strategies.
That's part of the problem right there bro. You're intellectualizing the shyt too much. Go reread Jvesti's post on T Theory in the bible. It should help you focus more on your inner game instead of a bunch of rules and methods that just seem to be hindering you.
 

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How many approaches have you done in the last month kk2004?
 

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wolfie

Outside of class..only 1 bcuz none of them where in my comfort zone and leaving it is one hell gut wrenching journey. In class ive talked to about 5 diffrent girls in all the diffrent classes I am taking and none of them seem intrested in me. One girl showed some IOI's but not enough to quantify as true intrest, so Im just going to next her.

If you simply ask me to sarge or go talk to random girls where I dont feel comfortable, ill frezze up or Ill be scared stiff as a board. Like I said before that I have social anxiety and actually forcing yourself to go and make approaches makes it worse because you feel even worse while doing it let alone thinking about it.

YeahEazy -G, I remb somewhere I read that "if your vibe is right your game will be tight" that when your feeling good about yourself and your nervousness is under control then your inner game makes your outer game shine. How did guys get laid in the 1920-30's they didnt have places or people to teach them this..its wierd.

My inner game is in turmoil because of this social anxiety..everyone has it but I think I have a bigger case to where now Im taking anxiety meds too. Doc recommended it.

I wouldnt have such a big problem if I had more women in my life, I like any women that is decent and likes me back, honestly right now I dont have any women in my life other than my mother. But my anxiety is holding me back..now IM not saying that "ME" is holding me back but my anxiety and apprehension. I gotta get rid of it somehow.
 

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it is you holding you back.


I have a friend who has aniexty like you..he had a gf for a yr...then they didnt last..so he went back to his shell..now he smokes weed everyday..and doesnt do ****.


dont let it happen to you
 

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Originally posted by frivolousz21
it is you holding you back.


I have a friend who has aniexty like you..he had a gf for a yr...then they didnt last..so he went back to his shell..now he smokes weed everyday..and doesnt do ****.


dont let it happen to you
Haha, doesn't everyone who smokes weed do nothing?
 

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I think the only place I will find help with is off this board.. bcuz anxiety and social anxiety is not a topic of this board. Most Dj's dont feel that...so its easier for them I guess.

I need to maybe talk to a shrink or join a few anxiety boards.

What do you guys say about my whole thesis on low self esteem being the cause of everything..I think I have a few strong points and I might be right.
 

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i think anxiety are more common here than you think.

you have to find a way to control this anxiety even if you need to get on medication or speak to a dr.

its very common these days.


as far as giving up, have you considered a little "me phase" where you have time to relax and have some self growth?
there are times one does not need to be tied down when they need to gear themselves up for life.
it is ok to take a break or a time out.
 

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liqour

I love liqour....

Just kidding.. its not the solution to my problems..well it is lol.. but only for a few hours and then you feel sh*ty in the morning..but Im getting off topic.

Yeah ill have to somehow control it and stop the anxiety and fear that I feel. Now I have to foind out how...there many books on this subject so Im looking into them now.

No I cant become that guy who smokes weed and sit on his a*ss all day. But I dont want to pressure myself so much where I become unhappy, I have to realize that right now I need to learn how to better manage my anxiety and this anxiety needs to be taken care of first before I can have what I want or have as much of it as I want. women and sex. I wont stop but I dont want to have unrealistic goals.
 

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Re: well

Originally posted by kk2004

Like --"Hi how are you"
her--"im fine whats up"
blah blah
me---"let me get your number"
her--"sure"

call her up in two days
her" hey you wanna hang out with me"
me--"sure"

later that night its a kiss close and then a week from now its sex.
Are u living in the land of OZ ? ... Unless she's from the red light district , I just dont c that happening to often :D .....
 

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ok man, what you need to do is change your entire way of thinking.....I believe you when you say your a cool guy. But if you let yourself sink deeper into the gap you'll never see the bottom, cus it's a bottomless hole. Likewise, you can bring yourself up through setting fear conquering goals and slowly working your way up to where you want to be. How can you bang 2 chicks a week when you can't even talk to the cashier at the grocery store......this is what I mean about being realistic. You're going to overwhelm yourself the way you're thinking right now. Set small but CHALLENGING goals and keep trying until you are successful. Once you conquer one goal use that confidence to go after a harder but more attainable challenge, and don't see every failure as a setback, it's a LEARNING experience. You WILL blush, you WILL stutter, and you WILL be uncomfortable sometimes......but this is about learning that you can overcome these things, learn that it's not the end of the world

Ok, do a search on H2O, this guy conquered his SA and is a true inspiration to me.....read his approach journal and then read his recent posts
 

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You need to stop worrying about your problems first of all. Trying to fight anxiety will probably just make it worse. I'm not expert, but if you start thinking like you don't have a problem, you won't have a problem. The only problem you have is one you've created. Perhaps you have some sort of "chemical imbalance in the brain" causing this, but just live your life man, and stop worrying. There are guys much worse off than you.... many men never get laid until their 30's probably, and some even later. Just have patience, or you're gonna end up in a worse position than you are already.
 

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lol

well my game was pretty tight actually...thats how I got my last gf...but I had enough chance to build a half an hours rapport and if the girl is loud and outgoing and funny and talkative..its so much easier and I can make it work.

Yeah what I posted is exaclty how it went down with me, and my last gf.

Today me and my friend drove over to the docks and you could see couples pulling up and the girls giving all the guys head all the cars where steamy and you cud see what was going on..we left quickly. But we drank half a bottle of JD while we where there and then played some pool....

Later tonight My friend got a prank call and he played along for 3 hours and he kept them intrested and when I spoke to them for 5 min they asked If they cud have the last guy back which was my friend.

I dont get it man..its like all around me ppl are living there lives while I live in this f*ckin box. I hate it. Im sure some of you guys feel that way.

I need more of a Social Life...lets see..its not going to come out of thin air..and its cant come from me being shy so I dont know.

Being on this board isnt healthy...its great for dj'ers who are set and need a few attitude changes but I need a major over haul..If I want to get to where I want to.

Time I said goodbye to this site...bcuz all I do is whine and do nothing and something is better than nothing.

So let me go..maybe in 3 months I will come back...I swear..

Maybe then I will be closer to my goals of having a life that I am proud of with a social life I can enjoy and having girls who might actually make me happy but I gotta be happy on my own first.. Im not looking to get laid ten thousand times, but I want a hot gf.

Im getting my ass off this board..period thanks guys for all the help. Im going to go to a shrink and then see what happens.
 
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UNORGANIZED RANT TIME FOR KK

this is one of the best threads i've read on this board, so many awesome ideas, especially from q-unit, javier, pimpday1, also kk himself.

but wow... this has really changed me. This guy (kk) has explained everything I hate about my group, my area, etc. The only difference between his dilema and mine is I have hatred where he has anxiety... but, the problem still remains.

My area is so much worse than his, so much worse than what is on tv with bullshyt shows like laguna beach and the OC. 10 times more fake, and 10 times harder to succeed in popularity wise. I say F*CK YOU to every single person who is involved with this fake bullshyt. You can see it with my expression, my attitude, basically the "i'm better than you, tell me different, dare you" attitude I show to all of these people. I have an ebay business, I am getting into club promoting, I sell all kinds of products (LEGAL!! I hate drug dealers, they should be shot), I know hard hitters from New York, I have friends that are cops, one friend who just got back from Iraq killing hadjis, I am also helping organize a gigantic trance event that is going to be at Fedex field or ravens stadium. Basically, I am trying to prove myself saying I can succeed and at the same time say F*CK YOU to the world and this group I hate so much. I drive a jaguar, I know a lot of people that share my same hatred, share my same idea, my same dream, my same goal. All want to be powerful and squash the fake competition. It will happen, we will win, so KK, do not be anxious about these f*cks, they are garbage, and will be get theirs. (I live in montgomery county maryland, which is surrounded by the most horribly fake cities in the delmarva area: georgetown, bethesda, potomac, falls church, etc.) You want to know about fake people all grouping together in a clusterf*ck of bad-mouthing, one-uping, and "trumping"? Go to these places, open your eyes, and marvel at what we have become. Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to say i'm not full of garbage also, because I am to some extent, but not as bad as these people.

I don't know if I want to say I hate people now, or if I want to laugh at stupidity in our species. I feel like we've slipped as a group, like we are not as good as the people before us in time. I hate this generation, I hate my generation. At least i'm not the only one that sees this, that gives me some comfort.

KK, try taking this from a different angle. There is a possibility that your anxiety is misplaced. Maybe it is not that you are down by the fact that lesser males are getting all the girls, driving the fast cars, blasting music, cut like arnold, gelled hair and striped shirts (Guidos)... but maybe you're down on how stupid our species has gotten. Maybe your anxiety is not about your ability to compete with retards, but about how low people have gotten.

Am I the only one who feels like a lacrosse player playing table tennis? I think kk does to a certain extent. We are so much better than these people and trying to play their games is not in us because we are not them. We can play with it and try and be like them, but its not legit, its not real. It starts out fine, then gets bad when they realize you're not really like them, you're not fake. Hopefully at this point you haven't lost your power with them, because it will go downhill. It is like these people (the ones who are living the "fast life") don't get how life works, what life is about, and just f*ck their life away (literally) and put stuff up their nose to compensate. Sorry to rant on, but this has seriously hit a note in me. I fu*king hate people. It is like I enjoy the company of the 20% of the 20% of people that most would concider good. I am bitter, and determined and succeeding. Good? maybe. "shut up already mike!" possibly good advice, but I will go on with my rant.

I am sick of people putting others down out of envy. I am sick of back-stabbers. I am sick of two-faced liars. I am sick of drug dealers. I am sick of "thugs." I'll show thugs some real killers. Russian mafia, italian mafia, special forces retired killers who miss the action... uh yeah, thats the scary stuff, they had to do what they did to survive, not these "thugs" who live off of mommy and daddy and think they're hard because they're out of exchange with their parents and are beaten down by themselves ethically/morally into violence. I am sick of scared people who are malicious. I am sick of competing with losers thinking their way is the best. I am sick of feminism. I am sick of people ignoring the real truth out of sympathy for weaklings. I am sick of confrontational liberals. I am sick of people not being courteous. I am sick of men not showing respect. I am sick of woman not giving gratitude to men who show respect. I am sick of people badmouthing old people. I am sick of people not being spiritual. I am sick of a lot, and could go on for hours. Finally, i'm sick of bottling up my anger and only releasing it in the form of antagonism. I battle to not let myself drop to boredom and antagonism when confronted with the bullsh*t that is humans. I seriously hate people, but this thread has shown me one thing, some people care. Thank you everyone for trying to help this fellow dj, and thanks for reading my unorganized rant on my anger with society.

I know, I know, life is for happiness, accomplishment, and pleasure. Hopefully my mindstate will get back into cheerful mike, but its been a hard few weeks. Anyway kk, KEEP YOUR HEAD HIGH, AND F*CK THE COMPETITION. Endure man, good luck with your shrink, lol.
 

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once a quitter always a quitter.

There is no failure if u try again.
 
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