Have you discovered the POWER of mirroring

George Gordon

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I haven't really posted here in awhile, but wouldn't mind a little feedback. What I mean is: how many of you find that you're "over-qualified"? you know, you have all this knowledge, but little experience? Anyway, this is were I feel I am, and just want to experiment now, because having this know-how accounts for about 10% of success while actually feeling it out and fitting your knowledge into something that works for you personally, accounts for 90%; the coordination, the timing, and intuition so to speak.

Okay . . . I read an interesting article on here (Master of the Universe), about the results from experimenting with mirroring. He said that he was sitting, waiting for his take-out food, mirroring this women the whole time. And when she was leaving she came over to him and brought up this connection she felt . . . or something along this line, I can't rememeber the name of the thread. If you read it, I hope it modivated to really just go out there and perfect your mirroring ability. At least, for me, I am discovering how important it is to establishing rapport and connection; commonality.

Now, as I said, I have been doing experiments with this just about every chance I get, both: while interacting with a person, and when a person is merely in my facinity; I am in their periphery but not interacting or looking at them. The results I am getting are phenomemonal. There is no real evidence that I can give you, but you start to feel this sensation with the person, they start to look at you differently, even with a person across the room. This, I have been doing also: mirroring someone at another table in a resturant while I am simultaneously having a conversation with a friend. And after about 5-10 minutes of mirroring, I start to notice that they start becoming responsive to me, it's like I have slowly come into their present sense of awareness.

I have also discovered that by mirroring people, my 'radar' or my awareness of what people are doing with their bodies is heightening, all without concentrating directly on their actions. In effect, I feel like I can listen to the person better, like I am thinking the same thing as them . . . maybe because we are both doing the same thing with our bodies at relatively the same time, which needs first, the mental/thought stimuli or incentive. But enough, analytical babble . . . I find that I intuitively recieve more signals than before, body language maybe. It's giving me so much power.

Important! I know exactly what I am concentrating on when I am interacting with someone, Them! fully and completely, in two ways: listening to what they say Verabally and what they are saying with their Body.

Oh! one more thing, which I had read when I did a little research on mirroring, is that a person is supposed to eventually start to mirror you back . . . which I discovered first hand- they DO! But more importantly than the truth that this does occur, is that it is a sign to you that you have established rapport.

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SO, has anyone else found similar affects when they've mirrored people? I am interested in some stories that would be of more insight into the understanding of mirroring (and matching).

-George Gordon

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Thanks for the research

When you've established this mirroring connection does it often lead to success in terms of dates, kissing, sex etc. ?
 

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In a sense it can lead to... because a connection or commonality is needed for these to occur, right? Of course mirroring is just a supplementary tool- a very powerful one, mind you! to aid your interaction.

I found that thread by MotU, and re-reading his description of how this woman looked at him with puzzlement, etc. was exactly the same result that I got:
http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/017818.html


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What did I do?- I will leave a brief account of a mirroring episode from about three weeks. One, of which, I discovered today, seemed to have a had an interesting effect. But, before I do, I bought a pack of cigarettes from a 7-11 a couple of months back. The attendant was a girl with distinctively unique, almost grecian looking features, who seemed a little reserved. I made some small talk; asked her why she seemed so bummed out. She said she was tired from partying the night before, yet this was during the late evening the night after. Who knows. Anyway, there was no real rapport and she seemed very withdrawn and shy.

Now, a month later, I walk into a coffee shop down the street from this 7-11 and she is sitting there with a group of friends. My friend and I sit down; I sit facing her, three tables down. I am conversing with my friend, and start to prep my awareness by zoning my peripheral vision on her movements by assuming her posture while maintaining my conscious attention on my friend, and then I slowly start to follow her gestures and body movements. As the conversation with my friend continues; I accelerate the amount of movements I mirror, and decrease the duration of their delay. Meanwhile I can sense a change in her mood, as well as mine. I am getting more in to my conversation with my friend and am feeling really energized (emotionally and confidently); I notice that she is starting to smile a lot, which she wasn't earlier. Soon enough, we begin to mirror each other, then, I take the lead just to test her reflex.

Throughout the period of my mirroring, I threw her the old eye for a split second now and again when I would make a pan of the coffeeshop, but she really started glancing over once our gestures started to coincide at a steady rate. In fact, I also implemented some of the opinions (sutble trance phrases perhaps) that she said to her friends into my own conversation with my friend. After having expressed a similar opinion in my conversation, she really threw me the old eye, yet I didn't let on that I noticed.

Now, for those of you who haven't tried mirroring a complete stranger from across a room like this may think, "I will get busted, for sure! how could they not think I was doing this on purpose. It's too risky." Listen!- They DO NOT! especially if you don't acknowledge their reactions when they throw it at you- Though I do want to try winking at them next time, when they suddenly give you that first PRICELESS astonished and baffled look.

Ok, so as I walk out of the coffee shop, she locks eye contact with me for a gentle grip as I pass by, and then looks at her coffee cup on the table.

SO! There were already results achieved during the experiment, but, today! Today, I walk into this 7-11 and she is working; she looks up from her work, smiles, and I smile and say 'hi'. And then we ensue to have this completely open friendly conversation as if we've had many conversations before. As if we are already aquaintances. There was instant rapport; I am assuming, from the effect the mirroring had on her thoughts later, in retrospect.

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Time and time again, I experience this bond after mirroring; this equal wavelength, if you will, with my subjects. So PLEASE, if anyone has experimented with mirroring to any degree: Did you get the SAME results as I am posting here??? the sense of connection!

-George Gordon
 

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I'm absolutely fascinated. More examples please!
 

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Yes mirroring does work
Girls get more friendly if you mirror them


Learn to mirror and absord it, so that mirroring another person will become as natural as maintaining eye contact and kino
 

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Nicholas Hill, I feel the exact same way as you do. ABSOLUTELY FASINATED with this tool. Other examples would generally be the same from me at the moment, but why don't you consider experimenting more yourself.

I will post reports, if they would interest you or anyone else, when I have completed them. Some of the variables will be: the attempt to mirror 2 people at once, that is, rotating my actions between both people; working with different rythmns; and general discoveries in body language, which you start to pick up on pretty quickly as your awareness and mirroring abilities progress.
 

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I've tried more mirroring, and it really does work!

Its going to be the thing of the week...
 

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i tried it at a cafe yesterday and boy was i stunned by the results...i kept mirroring the posture and little actions that she was making and that caught her attention...a firm believer now....
 

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A solution for the grand?
A necrotic Mirroring brand?
Carven deep upon the pity of the damned? But.... no settlement is planned
A great renewal( my advice) growls at hand
And only when they're running
Will they come to understand......
(screams in agony)

Mirroring is for the weak. It brings out the very best of a peeping tom, thus spewing hidious acts and cowardness..


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Originally posted by Tristania:
Mirroring is for the weak. It brings out the very best of a peeping tom, thus spewing hidious acts and cowardness..
Oh great, all-knowing Tristania . . . what then, is for the strong? . . . wasting time on the DJ Discussion Forum for three weeks, posting idiotic antecdotes, with the sole purpose of becoming a 'master don juan' . . . and for what?- to try and and gain acceptance of herself?


Originally posted by Nicholas Hill:
I've tried more mirroring, and it really does work!
Nicholas, I'm curious as to what you were FEELING when you discovered that there was some kind of connection developing? Did it seem like you were going into a trance; there was only you and your subject in the universe . . . a lucid state of mind . . . like you were starting to feel a bizarre bond with your subject? A deep and personal link?

Does any of this sound like it fit your experience(s)?
 

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So is mirroring just for someone sitting across the room, or should you try mirroring the woman you are talking to? I have never done this and am curious.
 

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[In a Brooklyn accent]

"Hey Geowahge, I'm witcha."


I too believe in the power of mirroring. It's actually a large part of flirting. I am naturally quite good with non-verbal flirting, and I've meet utilizing this for a while. Good for you George!



- Jake


Originally posted by George Gordon:
Nicholas, I'm curious as to what you were FEELING when you discovered that there was some kind of connection developing? Did it seem like you were going into a trance; there was only you and your subject in the universe . . . a lucid state of mind . . . like you were starting to feel a bizarre bond with your subject? A deep and personal link?

Does any of this sound like it fit your experience(s)?
 

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interesting...very. ive always done mirroring in conversations w/ girls but never knew how they could be applied to peeps acroos the room...fascinating. i wonder how that works, maybe, it could be a shortcut for all that rapport i have to make later on. this week im experimenting w/ that. thx for the idea george
 

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Originally posted by George Gordon:
Nicholas, I'm curious as to what you were FEELING when you discovered that there was some kind of connection developing?...
I felt "great!". Truth is, only I know I'm mirroring her (one example being a CUTEEEE woman on a train last week), so when she copies, I get an ego boost.

Do you wink at a friend and have them wink at you? You can't really do this to a stranger, but her copying your 'wink' shows 'acceptance' - its rapport, she knows you well enough to do this.

Its all in the subconscious.

Do you think that body language is less important than an actual conversation? Surely so! I mean, you have it all worked out, you know the ****y and funny response to every line she throws at you, but try it with bad or unrelaxed, unopen body language. You fail. I tried it over the past two days, and when I walked around with an OPEN body posture, I got a lot more hi's and I FELT MORE OPEN.

So, we conclude that body language is at least AS important as what you actually say.

What am I getting at? I'm trying to make the point that "those things that seem unimportant to a RAFC are actually amazing things that can change your game more than you think". More to come in the next reply...
 

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Originally posted by RDtoo:
So is mirroring just for someone sitting across the room, or should you try mirroring the woman you are talking to? I have never done this and am curious.
Mirror anyone you want to. The person you're speaking to right now, or a person you have MADE EYE CONTACT WITH. She has to know you are there!

The best thing you can do is go out there and try it. The next time you're in a group of people (oh come on, we ALL have our little groups, right? Christian Union, Yoga, Iraqi society, clubbing club, AA...) try copying some people.

Always wait a few seconds before making a similar move, this is the key
 

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Brilliant, so acting like a mime who obsesively mimics the suttle movements of a person can get you in bed with them....
rrriiggghhhhtttttt.
 

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I tried this and I feel it is a good way to check interest. I will be sitting down at a table, initiate eye contact, hold it till I feel she is going to look away. I then look at my watch. A person that has interest will also look at there watch. I don't mirror how the chick sits, I sit strait up giving her the impression of confidence. I usually use my looks to get interest.

To my knowledge mirror is kinda taking the role and mood your interest. This is what I feel about it. I feel you should mirror her interests not her actions or mood. If you are talking to a chick that just broke up with her boyfriend I won't act depressed around her or down in the dumps. I ALWAYS act upbeat and smile no matter what vibe I am getting off the chick. It works wonderfully. Does the chick that just broke up with her boy what a person that is mirroring her...NO! She wants someone that is upbeat, that can show her a good time.
She wants to get her mind off her boy, not be around someone that is acting like a jackass.

I mentioned earlier that I mirror her interests. I ask her what she likes to do when she is not at <place where at>. She says I like to play video games. I mirror her actions with what she said because it is one of the things I love to!! Well since you like those things its not hard to create a convo. When she says I like to arrange flowers....not much for you to talk about, you really don't like arranging flowers or know anything about it. This is not a good thing to mimic! Thats when being discriptive and being inquisitive to her interests is important. I am not going to say I love arranging flowers. Some women us this is a test to see if you are a push over and just trying to get in her pants. I will say somethink like. "So, you like to arrange flowers, what do you like about arranging flowers, what is the turn on? I ask a open ended questions. Acting interested, but not mirroring.

Personally I don't like mirroring I feel it is kinda a crap concept. Remeber just be yourself. Be outgoing and don't worry about mirroring. If you see the chick hold the eyelock. After the 3rd glance stand up and go talk to her. Be outgoing, and confident. Don't try to theorize as much, Just do it. If you are using mirroring get the initial contact, give it a try, if you mirroring dosn't work time to grab the balls and make a cold intro. Try to think of somthing situational.
 

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I agree w/ Sir Shags A Lot, don't use mirroring alone. However, what I think the main point of the original post was to convince us to APPLY mirroring to our DJ ways. It happens naturally with people we're close to, or friendly with ... look at yourself and your gestures the next time you're out with your best friend and tell me you don't mirror him/her at least a little bit during the conversation unintentionally. Artifcially creating this strange connection can help you more I would think. I'll try it out for myself and see the results for myself.
 
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