Harriet Tubman makes the $20

[phillies]

 

[Skyline]

I personally think Martin Luther King Jr. should have been placed on that bill if they were going for an African American.

He made a great influence and protested peacefully and legally. He actually made people come together and unite against segregation. Harriet Tubman was a hero and a criminal for a her time. Not saying slavery is right in any way, but what she was doing was illegal at the time. Looking back at her actions you can say what she was doing was right but that's because society has evolved ever since. You would have to literally be there at that moment in time to make a judgment.

And you can't say Andrew Jackson was a bad president simply because it was a different time, that's comparing apples to oranges. The dude was around when other dudes were wearing wigs, we really have no idea what it was like.

Also, the Republicans back then were more Democrat based, and vice versa, compared to today's political belief standards. So Harriet Tubman would be considered a liberal in today's standards.

We already have Abraham Lincoln, whom stopped slavery to unite America again, why do we need her? If anything, I would want Martin Luther King Jr.

 

[YawataNoKami]

Who cares , nobody gives a fvck who is on the 20's. Go ahead call me me a racist , call this puertorican, born and raised in Utuado P.R. a racist.

 

[Maximus Rex]

I personally think Martin Luther King Jr. should have been placed on that bill if they were going for an African American.

He made a great influence and protested peacefully and legally.

White people's affinity for Dr. King as opposed to other black leaders is baffling to me.

That's one of Dr. King's mugshots from over the 30 times he was arrested. You don't get a mugshot by doing things legally.

He made people come together and unite against segregation.

So you support Dr. King's stance against the Vietnam War, The Poor People's Campaign which was motivated by a desire for economic justice: the idea that all people should have what they need to live. In other words Dr. King was a Socialist, and I'm assuming that support Dr. King's view that black people are entitled to reparations. White people's support of Dr. King seems to revolve around a rousing speech that was given on August 28, 1963.

Harriet Tubman was a hero and a criminal for a her time. Not saying slavery is right in any way, but what she was doing was illegal at the time. Looking back at her actions you can say what she was doing was right but that's because society has evolved ever since. You would have to literally be there at that moment in time to make a judgment.

What the f*ck are you talking about? You just co-signed slavery. You have to be there at the time to make a judgment? Are f*ckin' serious. This is one of the failings of the American educational system. This what slavery was, being kidnapped and placed in then placed in a cell and the crowded hull of ship laying in piss and sh*t for three months.

Being sold at auction and being forced to work, sometimes to the point of death. Not having enough food to eat or clothes to wear. Having yo endure the forced separation of your family. Being lent to work for somebody else only to have your wages go to your white master.

Being under the threat of being severely beaten for not working hard enough or beaten at the sadistic whims of an overseer, master or mistress or being subjected to inhuman form of punishment.

Being denied an education. If you were a freed black person and living with the reality that you could kidnapped an sold into slavery.

Being forced to indulge in the sexual depravity of the white slavers which included pedophilia, homosexuality, rape, being bred as if you were nothing more than livestock. Yet, you call what Harriet Tubman her life to do countless times was criminal and you needed to there to make a judgment call? Either one of two things is going here, you're completely oblivious to the savage, sadistic, and sexually depraved reality that was chattel slavery or your a suspect white supremacist. If it's former as opposed to latter, I strongly suggest that read some slave narratives and watch some Tim Wise YouTube videos.

And if what Harriet Tubman did was criminal, I guess your same f*cked up logic applies to George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, and Benjamin Franklin, after all not only what they was criminal, it was treasonous and some would say terrorism.

And you can't say Andrew Jackson was a bad president simply because it was a different time, that's comparing apples to oranges.

Why on these message boards do I constantly encounter people who either didn't pay attention to or go class on certain days for 8th grade or 10th U.S. history.

So your saying that being against the formation of a central bank to stabilize the economy and openly denfying a Supreme Court ruling, which forcibly removed native peoples from their ancestral lands which precipitated an act of genocide were good things?

The dude was around when other dudes were wearing wigs,

Actually that's partially true, James Madison was the last president to wear a wig, that was 1817. By the time Jackson became president in 1829, men wearing wigs had fallen out of fashion.

we really have no idea what it was like.

Actually we do because people like
Alexis de Tocqueville wrote extensively about the time period.

So Harriet Tubman would be considered a liberal in today's standards.

Actually she would considered what she was then, a dangerous militant revolutionary.

We already have Abraham Lincoln, whom stopped slavery to unite America again,

Lincoln was racist white supremacist who could a f*ck about slavery. He was rather indifferent to the issue. His primary interest was preserving the Union, not starting a war to risk white lives to free black slaves.

why do we need her?

To recognize and pay tribute to a true American heroine who literally put her ass on the to free her people from the sadistically savage barbarism and sexually depravity of chattel slavery.

Who cares nobody gives a fvck who is on the 20's.

I do.

Go ahead call me me a racist , call this puertorican, born and raised in Utuado P.R. a racist.

You are which explains a lot about you. White latinos are the worst with the sh*t because they get to practice racism and white supremacy with impunity and for some reason, they're never called out on it.

 

[Maximus Rex]

You know, I have often heard from the SJWs of the awful treatment of slaves, but I have not seen any documentation or proof.

How you provide proof that they weren't beaten, kidnapped, straved and worked to death, malnourished, tortured, raped, and killed. As I've previously stated, racist white supremacists have a persistent dislistening for inconvenient truths.

Additionally, and this question is to you maximus, what do you think of the continued slavery which is happening in non-white countries of the world?

Again, another wack ass attempt at deflection. Stay on topic, obviously you don't have a problem with because you think it's acceptable for human beings to be kept as property and subject to wanton abuse and savagery no matter the time period.

 

[Tictac]

because you think it's acceptable for human beings to be kept as property and subject to wanton abuse and savagery no matter the time period.

Making sh*t up is your specialty.

 

[Jaylan]

Who cares , nobody gives a fvck who is on the 20's. Go ahead call me me a racist , call this puertorican, born and raised in Utuado P.R. a racist.

Because Latino is a race? Its not, its an ethnicity. You can be of any race and still be Latino. And being Latino doesnt mean someone cannot be racist. There are Afro-Latinos (black), European descent Latinos, and those who are mixed with Native Blood. And there are even those with Asian or Indian blood(sub-continent)

Also, there's tons of racism in Latin America. And yes, Mexicans, Boricuas, and Dominicans will tell you this. I have Puerto Ricans in my family. So it's not like I don't know this stuff.

Ah I see, when you get called out on your anti-white thoughts, you push it back to topic.

You think whites should be displaced and you believe they do not deserve a land for themselves.

You are a full-on anti-white racist and a complete hypocrite when it comes to them having any rights at all.

In these threads I am not going to stop reminding you and the board of your position on this.

Like I always tell you. Prove it. Show everyone here exact quotes of my racism that you always whine about. Not false and disingenuous interpretations or you putting words in my mouth...show us all exact quotes. Because I have plenty of exact quotes of these stormfront-lite fools being racist, and you've never had a peep to say about that.

And actually, you and others whined like little girls when some of those of the posters were perma-banned from this forum for being racist tool-bags. Now either put up, or shut up.

I personally think Martin Luther King Jr. should have been placed on that bill if they were going for an African American.

He made a great influence and protested peacefully and legally. He actually made people come together and unite against segregation. Harriet Tubman was a hero and a criminal for a her time. Not saying slavery is right in any way, but what she was doing was illegal at the time. Looking back at her actions you can say what she was doing was right but that's because society has evolved ever since. You would have to literally be there at that moment in time to make a judgment.

And you can't say Andrew Jackson was a bad president simply because it was a different time, that's comparing apples to oranges. The dude was around when other dudes were wearing wigs, we really have no idea what it was like.

Also, the Republicans back then were more Democrat based, and vice versa, compared to today's political belief standards. So Harriet Tubman would be considered a liberal in today's standards.

We already have Abraham Lincoln, whom stopped slavery to unite America again, why do we need her? If anything, I would want Martin Luther King Jr.

And plenty of people in the South said Lincoln was a criminal and tyrannical leader....but history looks at him as one of the greatest presidents of our history and the man who saved the nation. That said, Lincoln's actions were more about uniting the nation, moreso than rights for Blacks as a whole.

Because after the Civil War, and into the 20th century, the GOP wasn't doing all that much for the black community. Which is why the Democratic party (at least in the North) started taking the reigns on civil rights and gaining black support. All that said, just because Lincoln has his recognition, does NOT mean Tubman and other black freedom fighters and leaders shouldnt get theres.

So honestly, it matters little what bigots of the past thought of Harriet Tubman's actions. She is more than deserving of being on the $20 bill. Martin Luther King has plenty of honors as it is. He has numerous streets, buildings, plazas, and a federal holiday named after him. Harriet is deserving of this recognition she's now getting.

EDIT - And even for his time period, Andrew Jackson was a sack of sh!t. And not just because of the forced relocation and massacring of Native Americans. (Though you might want to not look at past genocide, and simply say "oh...times back then were bad in general")

You might want to look at his domestic policies as well.

 

[Jaylan]

So according to Danger... in that old thread he brings up displacement,...and because I bring up other past displacements, where I added none of my own opinion to the matter...somehow Im an anti-white racist.

Thats a huge stretch by someone with a vendetta and chip on their shoulder.

Basically he failed at directly quoting any racism from me. I think everyone can see that now. Maybe he'll finally stop b!tching about an old thread where he put words in my mouth because he was butthurt over my stating historical fact.

Anyways, enough of that.

Give it a fvking rest.

And for the record, I believe humans have freedom of movement, and the right to go to whichever nation will have them. Im not someone who believes in building nations based on race alone. Because usually the people who go down that rabbit hole aren't far from being prejudiced jackasses or racists, if they aren't already.

Want an all-white nation? Raise the capital, get the connections and go create one. Because as it stands, it doesnt seem like any current legitimate and successful governments are trying to make their nations all-*insert race*.

 

[Jaylan]

I love how Danger says "you basically said" and then goes on to add his own bullsh!t to my posts.

"You basically said" = "Let me put words in your mouth and add stretch interpretations to what you said because I disliked your post. Let me twist your words to make you look bad, because I dont have direct quotes from you to prove my accusations"

Thats all youre doing.

My point was that history repeats itself...and moreso that Russian foreign policy in the Crimean peninsula is full of sh!t because they are breaking international law, yet again to sweep through a region. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of those upset over supposed "white displacement" in the west, while they turn a blind eye to displacements that's happened elsewhere in the world.

Again, part of my post was that history repeats itself, and that people are constantly moving in on land and taking it over. Nothing in that post you quoted says anything anti-white or even includes the word white.

Like I said, give it a rest. But it seems you cannot do that. So have at it. Hold onto your pathetic little grudge. We can derail another thread with this tired garbage another day.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Making sh*t up is your specialty.

What f*ck are you talking about?

1. You must prove guilt, it is not up to me to prove innocence, no matter how much you SJW's try to proclaim otherwise.

Yes it is up to prove that slaves weren't subjected to every indiginity and crime known to man. As matter of principle I refuse to engage your intellectual dishonesty, willful stupidity and "because I'm white and say it, therefore it's right," attitude.

2. Now who is deflecting? I am not ok with slavery, and neither are white nations who abolished slavery at the expense of many lives.

What lives? The United States is the only country that endured an insurrection behind slavery.

So, again I ask....what are your thoughts of the continued slavery in non white countries?

See, this why I normally avoid these conversations because it will eventually become insulting my intelligence. This white suprmacist racist piece of sh*t scumbag actually had the f*cking nerve to ask me if I'm cool with slavery if somebody other than white people are doing it. Miss me with that bullsh*t.

 

[Jaylan]

 

[Tictac]

because you think it's acceptable for human beings to be kept as property and subject to wanton abuse and savagery no matter the time period.

What f*ck are you talking about

I'm talking about the words in your head that you ascribed to someone else.

 

[phillies]

I personally think Martin Luther King Jr. should have been placed on that bill if they were going for an African American.

He made a great influence and protested peacefully and legally. He actually made people come together and unite against segregation. Harriet Tubman was a hero and a criminal for a her time. Not saying slavery is right in any way, but what she was doing was illegal at the time. Looking back at her actions you can say what she was doing was right but that's because society has evolved ever since. You would have to literally be there at that moment in time to make a judgment.

And you can't say Andrew Jackson was a bad president simply because it was a different time, that's comparing apples to oranges. The dude was around when other dudes were wearing wigs, we really have no idea what it was like.

Also, the Republicans back then were more Democrat based, and vice versa, compared to today's political belief standards. So Harriet Tubman would be considered a liberal in today's standards.

We already have Abraham Lincoln, whom stopped slavery to unite America again, why do we need her? If anything, I would want Martin Luther King Jr.

I agree MLK would be a better choice.

I disagree Harriet being a liberal by today's standards. Not only did she tote a gun, but she had family values and I doubt she was for more government involvement in people's lives.

Liberals don't believe in individual freedoms, they tend to want more control, it's like new speak.War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Cultural Marxists, useful idiots, controlled by feelings.

 

[Skyline]

White people's affinity for Dr. King as opposed to other black leaders is baffling to me.

That's one of Dr. King's mugshots from over the 30 times he was arrested. You don't get a mugshot by doing things legally.



So you support Dr. King's stance against the Vietnam War, The Poor People's Campaign which was motivated by a desire for economic justice: the idea that all people should have what they need to live. In other words Dr. King was a Socialist, and I'm assuming that support Dr. King's view that black people are entitled to reparations. White people's support of Dr. King seems to revolve around a rousing speech that was given on August 28, 1963.

I said I supported MLK's stance against segregation. Not saying I don't support Harriet Tubman but I am saying MLK made a much bigger difference.

 

[Asmodeus]

MLK is a man to be respected. Nobody is perfect, I do not expect perfection. One can agree with and admire parts about a person and not agree with other parts. I supported his stance against Vietnam as that war was inevitably useless.
I am not entirely against reparations. I am against just giving a check of money to somebody for past transgressions that existed well before their time. However, reparations in the form of economic development programs I support and just some of that is being done already.
Besides my family never owned slaves so I cannot be shamed into that, I am a 1st generation American from a purebread Serbian family none of which were American Southern slave owners. Do not assume all white Americans had a part in that. Your slavery ended in the 1800s. You think history dealt you a bad deck? Heck Serbians were getting mass murdered in the Holocaust, and do not even get me started on the Ottoman Empire in their 300 year occupation of the Balkans. In fact my ancestors were actual slaves too, just look at the Ottoman Empire where slavery was banned in early 19th century, white slaves who would have thought right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

But I am not so obtuse as to ask for money for what my ancestor's suffered.

 

[phillies]

White people's affinity for Dr. King as opposed to other black leaders is baffling to me.

That's one of Dr. King's mugshots from over the 30 times he was arrested. You don't get a mugshot by doing things legally.



So you support Dr. King's stance against the Vietnam War, The Poor People's Campaign which was motivated by a desire for economic justice: the idea that all people should have what they need to live. In other words Dr. King was a Socialist, and I'm assuming that support Dr. King's view that black people are entitled to reparations. White people's support of Dr. King seems to revolve around a rousing speech that was given on August 28, 1963.



What the f*ck are you talking about? You just co-signed slavery. You have to be there at the time to make a judgment? Are f*ckin' serious. This is one of the failings of the American educational system. This what slavery was, being kidnapped and placed in then placed in a cell and the crowded hull of ship laying in piss and sh*t for three months.

Being sold at auction and being forced to work, sometimes to the point of death. Not having enough food to eat or clothes to wear. Having yo endure the forced separation of your family. Being lent to work for somebody else only to have your wages go to your white master.

Being under the threat of being severely beaten for not working hard enough or beaten at the sadistic whims of an overseer, master or mistress or being subjected to inhuman form of punishment.

Being denied an education. If you were a freed black person and living with the reality that you could kidnapped an sold into slavery.

Being forced to indulge in the sexual depravity of the white slavers which included pedophilia, homosexuality, rape, being bred as if you were nothing more than livestock. Yet, you call what Harriet Tubman her life to do countless times was criminal and you needed to there to make a judgment call? Either one of two things is going here, you're completely oblivious to the savage, sadistic, and sexually depraved reality that was chattel slavery or your a suspect white supremacist. If it's former as opposed to latter, I strongly suggest that read some slave narratives and watch some Tim Wise YouTube videos.

And if what Harriet Tubman did was criminal, I guess your same f*cked up logic applies to George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, and Benjamin Franklin, after all not only what they was criminal, it was treasonous and some would say terrorism.



Why on these message boards do I constantly encounter people who either didn't pay attention to or go class on certain days for 8th grade or 10th U.S. history.

So your saying that being against the formation of a central bank to stabilize the economy and openly denfying a Supreme Court ruling, which forcibly removed native peoples from their ancestral lands which precipitated an act of genocide were good things?



Actually that's partially true, James Madison was the last president to wear a wig, that was 1817. By the time Jackson became president in 1829, men wearing wigs had fallen out of fashion.



Actually we do because people like
Alexis de Tocqueville wrote extensively about the time period.



Actually she would considered what she was then, a dangerous militant revolutionary.



Lincoln was racist white supremacist who could a f*ck about slavery. He was rather indifferent to the issue. His primary interest was preserving the Union, not starting a war to risk white lives to free black slaves.



To recognize and pay tribute to a true American heroine who literally put her ass on the to free her people from the sadistically savage barbarism and sexually depravity of chattel slavery.



I do.



You are which explains a lot about you. White latinos are the worst with the sh*t because they get to practice racism and white supremacy with impunity and for some reason, they're never called out on it.

First off, interesting how you accuse all white people.

You were not a slave ever so you can't even relate you know and understand nothing about being a slave. It's not justified for you to even be upset about that

Also you were born in a time where blacks have equal rights. You have nothing to complain about. You sound like a whiney little girl.

Get over it, it never happened do you.

Seriously if you keep complaining about this stuff, maybe society should give you an actual reason to complain.

You're not a victim and especially not a victim of white people.

 

[yuppee]

Black tribes in africa enslaved them FIRST, then Arab traders hauled them to the coast. So why not ask for reparations from the Saudis, etc, hmm? Cause white punks break weak? Well, a lot of them dont, so don't push your luck.

 

[Jaylan]

Black tribes in africa enslaved them FIRST, then Arab traders hauled them to the coast. So why not ask for reparations from the Saudis, etc, hmm? Cause white punks break weak? Well, a lot of them dont, so don't push your luck.

"Mommy she did it first".

That's a mature response when trying to minimize a historic cruelty.

/sarcasm


PS - Africa and Asia didn't have the widespread and brutal chattel slavery introduced by the Europeans and used in the Americas.

 

[Jaylan]

Lmfao.

Danger is still kvetching, putting words into my mouth and applying his own whiny-victim interpretations to my posts. Notice how he chops up my posts and leaves out pieces of what I said, in order to remove my complete thought and also remove context.

Lol, I can't imagine just how butthurt he is over this, considering he's held this grudge months and years later. It truly is pitiful that every single thread I take part in, this dude is biting at my ankles for attention in an attempt to bring up the same tired old argument. But keep saying it all you like... Im the "real" racist huh buddy?

Say it some more, I didn't hear the first 15 times lol

 

[Jaylan]

Lmao...I asked you to show where I said white people couldnt have a land for themselves and you couldnt do it. Nothing in my quotes says what you are saying.

All you could do was show posts where I stated historical fact regarding invasions, and how invasions will occur in the future. I then in this thread even said that I believed people have the right to move to whichever nations will have them.

But of course you chopped up my post, even when I said that you're free to start an all white nation if you found the human support and monetary capital to do so. Just like I said earlier...dont b!tch about governments not sharing your world view...go out and make your white nation happen.

But the constant whining over this grudge you have, after months and even years...its pathetic and pitiful. This is my last post on the matter. Though Im sure youll find another thread to whine about this again. But you should let it go. You're worse than a woman scorned when it comes to holding onto things. Pretty weak.