Guys who have used Seeking Arrangements and done Sugar dating, experiences?

[BillyPilgrim]

Miami is a city with a cocaine vibe. Meaning, you always want more, more, more. Glad you're finally looking in the boons.

We always pay for rides Jesse.

 

[SW15]

my experiences with Seeking Arrangements so far....

1. Number closed a girl off of the site. We had a date arranged the next day and she said she respected my take. We also have a phone call and it all goes well. Then, right after the call, she texts me and says if I can pay for her visit to the nail salon. I jump around it a bit and say "yeah your nails ain't that bad". She then gets pushy and tells me if I am going to be on the app, it isn't traditional dating so I should pay up. I tell her we should move on. She then texts me and says if I can financially help her out. WTF.

2. Number closed another girl off of the app and this one is going really good. She is in her thirties but really hot, originally from Colombia but has model-tier looks. It is going well but then the day before we decide to meet up, she say she has a son. I know where this is likely going and I cancel.

3. Number closed this French chick off of the site. She called me babe often and it seemed to go well. We had a date arranged for today and I got dressed up and all. My standard is that I will pay for the Uber and the meal but then this girl texts me. We are set to met and she asks if I am paying for the Uber. I have to keep repeating everything to this girl for days such as when we are meeting and where at. Then she says "alright cool so paypal me a hundred bucks". I am lost but she gives me her paypal which is a very pornographic name.....I tell her "an Uber does not cost a hundred bucks, you are right next door". Then she goes "alright fine paypal me 75". I cancel the date, get an angry text and then blocked.

It could be more Miami culture than it is Seeking Arrangements culture though, I have to be mindful of that.

This is typical Seeking Arrangement behavior.

Women who go to Seeking Arrangement expect to be compensated for their time. This differs from conventional dating, where the typical compensation is that the woman gets free drinks and free meals. Yes, you are paying for her either way. The big difference with Seeking Arrangement is that when the woman is compensated for their time, she is willing to reciprocate with sex more easily. When a woman is compensated with free drinks and free meals in conventional dating, she does not feel obligated to reciprocate with sex and often ghosts/flakes, creating the "one date, no sex, no second date" type interaction.

Going to Seeking Arrangement to find a conventional dating option is like going to Taco Bell and expecting an authentically Mexican home cooked meal. It's not going to happen. Food from Taco Bell doesn't resemble homemade Mexican food from some woman in Mexico.

Seeking Arrangement is a more directly paying for sex model whereas conventional dating is more of indirectly paying for sex. Yes, it's true that you are paying for sex either way, but it's a different experience in paying for sex. You can get tacos and burritos at Taco Bell or you can get tacos and burritos from an authentic Mexican restaurant or tacos and burritos cooked at home by a person with Mexican ancestry. Either way, you're eating tacos and burritos, but the experience of eating tacos and burritos is much different.

 

[corsica]

Jesse, it looks like a nightmare. I couldn’t deal with that type of pressure.
If you pay beforehand, you’re just a loser. If you don’t, the gold digger might think you’re wasting her time.

That website seems like prostitutes asking for money without giving sex in exchange. Just like OF.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Jesse, it looks like a nightmare. I couldn’t deal with that type of pressure.
If you pay beforehand, you’re just a loser. If you don’t, the gold digger might think you’re wasting her time.

That website seems like prostitutes asking for money without giving sex in exchange. Just like OF.

I'd sex them up pre-meet just like I do women from any app I'm on. Start with the chillest chicks you can find, even if you don't really want to bang them, to get a feel if there's any point to investing any more real time with it

 

[member160292]

OP,
You are a huge advocate of day/night game. For you to consider seeking arrangements, does that say that the game is inefficient?

 

[member160292]

So I thought I'd update a lot of you on my experiences with Seeking Arrangements so far and what has gone on. I took the advice of my friend and explicitly put on my profile no PPMs and what I am specifically looking for, practically implying that I want a traditional date to get to know them better. I made the extra effort to ask any girl that messaged me if she had read my profile and quite a few did, some said they even respected me for having standards. This is all because when I first started, I was getting a lot of girls telling me they charge per meet or that they charge per month.

I do say that I can pay for their ride over as a courtesy.

Here is what ensued.

1. Number closed a girl off of the site. We had a date arranged the next day and she said she respected my take. We also have a phone call and it all goes well. Then, right after the call, she texts me and says if I can pay for her visit to the nail salon. I jump around it a bit and say "yeah your nails ain't that bad". She then gets pushy and tells me if I am going to be on the app, it isn't traditional dating so I should pay up. I tell her we should move on. She then texts me and says if I can financially help her out. WTF.

2. Number closed another girl off of the app and this one is going really good. She is in her thirties but really hot, originally from Colombia but has model-tier looks. It is going well but then the day before we decide to meet up, she say she has a son. I know where this is likely going and I cancel.

3. Number closed this French chick off of the site. She called me babe often and it seemed to go well. We had a date arranged for today and I got dressed up and all. My standard is that I will pay for the Uber and the meal but then this girl texts me. We are set to met and she asks if I am paying for the Uber. I have to keep repeating everything to this girl for days such as when we are meeting and where at. Then she says "alright cool so paypal me a hundred bucks". I am lost but she gives me her paypal which is a very pornographic name.....I tell her "an Uber does not cost a hundred bucks, you are right next door". Then she goes "alright fine paypal me 75". I cancel the date, get an angry text and then blocked.

I have a few more dates in the pipe but man oh man.

I have filtered out a lot of escorts but these women will try to grab any dollar they can. It could be more Miami culture than it is Seeking Arrangements culture though, I have to be mindful of that.

In the meanwhile, I am having some chats with women in other Florida cities who seem way more chill, down to earth, and down to meet. We will see where this goes.

I just wish Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge were what they used to be for me years back. I wouldn't have to resort to this if that was the case.

Diude…come on. You don’t really understand the game with these chicks. There’s game that you run on hood rats and there is game that you do with quality chicks. You have a lot to learn, it comes from settling your 20 year old ass down and listen to members that have been there and done that

 

[Solomon]

So I thought I'd update a lot of you on my experiences with Seeking Arrangements so far and what has gone on. I took the advice of my friend and explicitly put on my profile no PPMs and what I am specifically looking for, practically implying that I want a traditional date to get to know them better. I made the extra effort to ask any girl that messaged me if she had read my profile and quite a few did, some said they even respected me for having standards. This is all because when I first started, I was getting a lot of girls telling me they charge per meet or that they charge per month.

I do say that I can pay for their ride over as a courtesy.

Here is what ensued.

1. Number closed a girl off of the site. We had a date arranged the next day and she said she respected my take. We also have a phone call and it all goes well. Then, right after the call, she texts me and says if I can pay for her visit to the nail salon. I jump around it a bit and say "yeah your nails ain't that bad". She then gets pushy and tells me if I am going to be on the app, it isn't traditional dating so I should pay up. I tell her we should move on. She then texts me and says if I can financially help her out. WTF.

2. Number closed another girl off of the app and this one is going really good. She is in her thirties but really hot, originally from Colombia but has model-tier looks. It is going well but then the day before we decide to meet up, she say she has a son. I know where this is likely going and I cancel.

3. Number closed this French chick off of the site. She called me babe often and it seemed to go well. We had a date arranged for today and I got dressed up and all. My standard is that I will pay for the Uber and the meal but then this girl texts me. We are set to met and she asks if I am paying for the Uber. I have to keep repeating everything to this girl for days such as when we are meeting and where at. Then she says "alright cool so paypal me a hundred bucks". I am lost but she gives me her paypal which is a very pornographic name.....I tell her "an Uber does not cost a hundred bucks, you are right next door". Then she goes "alright fine paypal me 75". I cancel the date, get an angry text and then blocked.

I have a few more dates in the pipe but man oh man.

I have filtered out a lot of escorts but these women will try to grab any dollar they can. It could be more Miami culture than it is Seeking Arrangements culture though, I have to be mindful of that.

In the meanwhile, I am having some chats with women in other Florida cities who seem way more chill, down to earth, and down to meet. We will see where this goes.

I just wish Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge were what they used to be for me years back. I wouldn't have to resort to this if that was the case.

Honestly, I'm not shocked they all asking for money or trying to finesse these are *****s they are looking to get paid!
I recommend OP go for 18-20 year olds might have better luck there

*Sips on Screwdriver*

 

[Solomon]

This is typical Seeking Arrangement behavior.

Women who go to Seeking Arrangement expect to be compensated for their time. This differs from conventional dating, where the typical compensation is that the woman gets free drinks and free meals. Yes, you are paying for her either way. The big difference with Seeking Arrangement is that when the woman is compensated for their time, she is willing to reciprocate with sex more easily. When a woman is compensated with free drinks and free meals in conventional dating, she does not feel obligated to reciprocate with sex and often ghosts/flakes, creating the "one date, no sex, no second date" type interaction.

Going to Seeking Arrangement to find a conventional dating option is like going to Taco Bell and expecting an authentically Mexican home cooked meal. It's not going to happen. Food from Taco Bell doesn't resemble homemade Mexican food from some woman in Mexico.

Seeking Arrangement is a more directly paying for sex model whereas conventional dating is more of indirectly paying for sex. Yes, it's true that you are paying for sex either way, but it's a different experience in paying for sex. You can get tacos and burritos at Taco Bell or you can get tacos and burritos from an authentic Mexican restaurant or tacos and burritos cooked at home by a person with Mexican ancestry. Either way, you're eating tacos and burritos, but the experience of eating tacos and burritos is much different.

If you had the option between smashing a 4 or 5 for free off Tinder
Or Smash a 8 or 9 for $700 of Seeking arrangement which would you do?

 

[CornbreadFed]

If you had the option between smashing a 4 or 5 for free off Tinder
Or Smash a 8 or 9 for $700 of Seeking arrangement which would you do?

tinder lol. Sex is not worth that cost of emptiness and to just see a back of a girls head pressed on a pillow lol.

 

[Gamisch]

tinder lol. Sex is not worth that cost of emptiness and to just see a back of a girls head pressed on a pillow lol.

40 euros in Europe..at the end of it all you'll see azz, long hair and bust a nut within 3 minutes. Oke for 700 maybe another nut. But it's the same nut a man pays 40 bucks for in Europe , or one that a decent DonJuan gets for free.

So I thought I'd update a lot of you on my experiences with Seeking Arrangements so far and what has gone on. I took the advice of my friend and explicitly put on my profile no PPMs and what I am specifically looking for, practically implying that I want a traditional date to get to know them better. I made the extra effort to ask any girl that messaged me if she had read my profile and quite a few did, some said they even respected me for having standards. This is all because when I first started, I was getting a lot of girls telling me they charge per meet or that they charge per month.

I do say that I can pay for their ride over as a courtesy.

Here is what ensued.

1. Number closed a girl off of the site. We had a date arranged the next day and she said she respected my take. We also have a phone call and it all goes well. Then, right after the call, she texts me and says if I can pay for her visit to the nail salon. I jump around it a bit and say "yeah your nails ain't that bad". She then gets pushy and tells me if I am going to be on the app, it isn't traditional dating so I should pay up. I tell her we should move on. She then texts me and says if I can financially help her out. WTF.

2. Number closed another girl off of the app and this one is going really good. She is in her thirties but really hot, originally from Colombia but has model-tier looks. It is going well but then the day before we decide to meet up, she say she has a son. I know where this is likely going and I cancel.

3. Number closed this French chick off of the site. She called me babe often and it seemed to go well. We had a date arranged for today and I got dressed up and all. My standard is that I will pay for the Uber and the meal but then this girl texts me. We are set to met and she asks if I am paying for the Uber. I have to keep repeating everything to this girl for days such as when we are meeting and where at. Then she says "alright cool so paypal me a hundred bucks". I am lost but she gives me her paypal which is a very pornographic name.....I tell her "an Uber does not cost a hundred bucks, you are right next door". Then she goes "alright fine paypal me 75". I cancel the date, get an angry text and then blocked.

I have a few more dates in the pipe but man oh man.

I have filtered out a lot of escorts but these women will try to grab any dollar they can. It could be more Miami culture than it is Seeking Arrangements culture though, I have to be mindful of that.

In the meanwhile, I am having some chats with women in other Florida cities who seem way more chill, down to earth, and down to meet. We will see where this goes.

I just wish Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge were what they used to be for me years back. I wouldn't have to resort to this if that was the case.

I salute you for trying . It's clear that on SA you'll need " feck you money ". 100 bucks should be considered a start fee. Like @SW15 always says: "1 date ,no sex ,no 2nd date." Hahaha. In this scenario a few drinks with a tinder date wil cost you...30 bucks?

Having said that, I also think your next step should be a rather unconventional and more spiritual approach: to step back and focus on other things now.

You've been through the trenches now. If you happen to meet a woman you'll be able to chat her up. You make sure you always look the best you can, make money and be there where hot women are(plus you are in FECKING MIAMI). But imo you wanna be in a less desperate state of mind. The most money can be made when you sell men a dream. SA is the perfect place to shamelessly sell a man a dream. So stepping back is my advice. I know, on a seduction forum this is the last you wanna hear. To step back as a strategy to take a few steps forward.

But sometimes life tries to tell us shyte. Listen if possible .

I supposed at least you are guaranteed that the women on there are skanky. They can't join seeking arrangements and then say they´re just there to "make new friends". I haven´t tried it, but I´d imagine you´d meet women that are willing to put out than the timewasters/Instagram attention seekers on Tinder. Also, you´d filter out the average picky woman looking for Mr Right. Yawn.

This 100.

These women are fully aware of how desperate dudes are. They know their own SMV and try to bank on it now they still can. This is the route they'll take. SA- stripper- prostitution- only fans.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

This is typical Seeking Arrangement behavior.

Women who go to Seeking Arrangement expect to be compensated for their time. This differs from conventional dating, where the typical compensation is that the woman gets free drinks and free meals. Yes, you are paying for her either way. The big difference with Seeking Arrangement is that when the woman is compensated for their time, she is willing to reciprocate with sex more easily. When a woman is compensated with free drinks and free meals in conventional dating, she does not feel obligated to reciprocate with sex and often ghosts/flakes, creating the "one date, no sex, no second date" type interaction.

Going to Seeking Arrangement to find a conventional dating option is like going to Taco Bell and expecting an authentically Mexican home cooked meal. It's not going to happen. Food from Taco Bell doesn't resemble homemade Mexican food from some woman in Mexico.

Seeking Arrangement is a more directly paying for sex model whereas conventional dating is more of indirectly paying for sex. Yes, it's true that you are paying for sex either way, but it's a different experience in paying for sex. You can get tacos and burritos at Taco Bell or you can get tacos and burritos from an authentic Mexican restaurant or tacos and burritos cooked at home by a person with Mexican ancestry. Either way, you're eating tacos and burritos, but the experience of eating tacos and burritos is much different.

I don't want to throw the towel in on Seeking just yet, especially since I paid for the membership as Dash did when he used it. However, I think as much as it may be a Seeking thing, it is even more of a Miami thing. The culture here sucks in regards to online dating as I am slowly starting to find. When a Sugar Dating website did a study, they found that Miami on average had a higher Pay Per Meet than even NYC and LA. I am not surprised that Seeking worked out for @Dash Riprock if he is not in Miami.

I think location is so big here. Meanwhile, I have connected with a number of women who are from outside of Florida and they seem to be more down for a genuine conversation. Miami is practically Gold Digger Central 2.0 and Sugar Baby LaLaLand. You really have to be careful with dating here and have some wits to you. Women will, especially if they are Russian or Colombian, find every way to squeeze a dime out of you.

For one, women here never go Dutch. They always expect you to pay. Then, when you are on dates they will even try to sucker you into buying them stuff at a mall or any nearby store. I 100% avoid all Russian women here, they are all gold diggers no exception. You luck out with American girls and tourists but that is about it.

 

[SW15]

For one, women here never go Dutch. They always expect you to pay.

I have paid on nearly all of my first dates in Dallas. There have been times where I paid for a first date and the woman had a higher annual salary that I had. That did not sit well with me.

I don't know if it is fair to say that women in Dallas never go Dutch and split costs on first dates. It hasn't been my experience here.

Then, when you are on dates they will even try to sucker you into buying them stuff at a mall or any nearby store.

I've never had that happen to me, either in Dallas or the places I lived prior to Dallas.

I 100% avoid all Russian women here, they are all gold diggers no exception. You luck out with American girls and tourists but that is about it.

Russian women tend to like rich men. White women in Miami from elsewhere in the USA might be ok.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

OP,
You are a huge advocate of day/night game. For you to consider seeking arrangements, does that say that the game is inefficient?

Assuming we are cool now Chowdah, allow me to answer your question.

If you have been keeping up with my field report log, I have had a rough go at game in recent months and it is not even game related. I got back into it in May and then end up falling really sick to a bug. Then I winged with some old wings and realized just how toxic they were and how much they dragged my game and vibe down. I got new pics done to meet women off of online as a way to supplement actual game for myself as well.

Game is inefficient if you are walking around with dead weight (crap wings) and not making the most of it. In order to do it right, you have to be sharp mentally and focused. Even then, to truly have a great dating life these days, you need some online to run in the background too so you can supplement your approach lays with online lays.

 

[eli77]

Are you not scared that the site might be hacked some day.?

 

[SW15]

Game is inefficient if you are walking around with dead weight (crap wings) and not making the most of it. In order to do it right, you have to be sharp mentally and focused. Even then, to truly have a great dating life these days, you need some online to run in the background too so you can supplement your approach lays with online lays.

Most Game methods are inefficient even when they are effective. Game is naturally inefficient. Game is worse when you're dealing with crap wings who are dead weight.

I agree that you have to be sharp mentally and focused for Game to go well. That's why good habits like healthy eating and no porn/no masturbation are so essentially to good Game efforts.

I disagree that online Game is needed to supplement real life Game. Some of it may be dependent upon the Gamer's goals.

It's important to pick the right "marketing channels" for Game efforts. The right "marketing channels" are dependent upon one's goals in romantic interactions.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I don't want to throw the towel in on Seeking just yet, especially since I paid for the membership as Dash did when he used it. However, I think as much as it may be a Seeking thing, it is even more of a Miami thing. The culture here sucks in regards to online dating as I am slowly starting to find. When a Sugar Dating website did a study, they found that Miami on average had a higher Pay Per Meet than even NYC and LA. I am not surprised that Seeking worked out for @Dash Riprock if he is not in Miami.

I think location is so big here. Meanwhile, I have connected with a number of women who are from outside of Florida and they seem to be more down for a genuine conversation. Miami is practically Gold Digger Central 2.0 and Sugar Baby LaLaLand. You really have to be careful with dating here and have some wits to you. Women will, especially if they are Russian or Colombian, find every way to squeeze a dime out of you.

For one, women here never go Dutch. They always expect you to pay. Then, when you are on dates they will even try to sucker you into buying them stuff at a mall or any nearby store. I 100% avoid all Russian women here, they are all gold diggers no exception. You luck out with American girls and tourists but that is about it.

If @biggoal (aka @Schwing) was still around he could tell you about all of the grannies in Naples on the Southeast coast.

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...ound-here-for-awhile-now.275558/#post-2973257

Maybe you could sign up as a SugarBaby and make some $. Come back to Miami and get revenge. These skanks don't need to know how you made your cash, Jesse.

 

[Bokanovsky]

So I thought I'd update a lot of you on my experiences with Seeking Arrangements so far and what has gone on. I took the advice of my friend and explicitly put on my profile no PPMs and what I am specifically looking for, practically implying that I want a traditional date to get to know them better. I made the extra effort to ask any girl that messaged me if she had read my profile and quite a few did, some said they even respected me for having standards. This is all because when I first started, I was getting a lot of girls telling me they charge per meet or that they charge per month.

I do say that I can pay for their ride over as a courtesy.

Here is what ensued.

1. Number closed a girl off of the site. We had a date arranged the next day and she said she respected my take. We also have a phone call and it all goes well. Then, right after the call, she texts me and says if I can pay for her visit to the nail salon. I jump around it a bit and say "yeah your nails ain't that bad". She then gets pushy and tells me if I am going to be on the app, it isn't traditional dating so I should pay up. I tell her we should move on. She then texts me and says if I can financially help her out. WTF.

2. Number closed another girl off of the app and this one is going really good. She is in her thirties but really hot, originally from Colombia but has model-tier looks. It is going well but then the day before we decide to meet up, she say she has a son. I know where this is likely going and I cancel.

3. Number closed this French chick off of the site. She called me babe often and it seemed to go well. We had a date arranged for today and I got dressed up and all. My standard is that I will pay for the Uber and the meal but then this girl texts me. We are set to met and she asks if I am paying for the Uber. I have to keep repeating everything to this girl for days such as when we are meeting and where at. Then she says "alright cool so paypal me a hundred bucks". I am lost but she gives me her paypal which is a very pornographic name.....I tell her "an Uber does not cost a hundred bucks, you are right next door". Then she goes "alright fine paypal me 75". I cancel the date, get an angry text and then blocked.

I have a few more dates in the pipe but man oh man.

I have filtered out a lot of escorts but these women will try to grab any dollar they can. It could be more Miami culture than it is Seeking Arrangements culture though, I have to be mindful of that.

In the meanwhile, I am having some chats with women in other Florida cities who seem way more chill, down to earth, and down to meet. We will see where this goes.

I just wish Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge were what they used to be for me years back. I wouldn't have to resort to this if that was the case.

This is hilarious although perhaps not very surprising. What you are describing is reminiscent of aggressive panhandlers (which, if you think about it, is who these women ultimately are). I suspect the overall dynamic is the same everywhere, with the difference being the degree of greediness and entitlement. No doubt that Miami wh0res are going to be more pushy because of the presence of a large number of wealthy simps compared to smaller towns.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

This is hilarious although perhaps not very surprising. What you are describing is reminiscent of aggressive panhandlers (which, if you think about it, is what these women ultimately are). I suspect the overall dynamic is the same everywhere, with the difference being the degree of greediness and entitlement. No doubt that Miami wh0res are going to be more pushy because of the presence of a large number of wealthy simps compared to smaller towns.

And the presence of dudes who move there for the women, not quite realizing the extent that the women themselves moved there for wealthy simps.

Miami is built not just on cocaine but also old simp money. A perfect environment for ambitious women who want it all. And they can go sit on the beach to sooth her frustrations if her road has any speedbumps (pun intended). This is also a key point as a girl in Orlando has to phuck to relieve stress, she can't just go and sit on the beach, feel the breeze and stare at the ocean like a girl in Miami can.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

This is hilarious although perhaps not very surprising. What you are describing is reminiscent of aggressive panhandlers (which, if you think about it, is who these women ultimately are). I suspect the overall dynamic is the same everywhere, with the difference being the degree of greediness and entitlement. No doubt that Miami wh0res are going to be more pushy because of the presence of a large number of wealthy simps compared to smaller towns.

It is most definitely a Miami thing. I went ahead and had a few video chats with women I met elsewhere in Florida and a couple of them even did it in their bra and panties. TBH, it turned me on but was a genuine conversation. One even told me if a guy pays for a date then she is good, she only wants him to pay for an Uber if she is way too far away. All of these women were outside of the Florida area lol.

Man, Miami is truly a sh1tshow and has the worst simp and Sugar Daddy epidemic in the country. I mean it is even worse than NYC, LA, or Vegas down here. I was out doing daygame today and came across so many age gaps where it was obvious she was with the dude for the money.

However, I am not going to leave Seeking so easily. I have a few more dates arranged and will let others know how it goes.

TBH though, I think Online Dating in general is dead for a lot of dudes out there. The ratios are insane and unless we get an app that disrupts the marketplace like crazy, we are kind of stuck.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

It is most definitely a Miami thing. I went ahead and had a few video chats with women I met elsewhere in Florida and a couple of them even did it in their bra and panties. TBH, it turned me on but was a genuine conversation. One even told me if a guy pays for a date then she is good, she only wants him to pay for an Uber if she is way too far away. All of these women were outside of the Florida area lol.

Man, Miami is truly a sh1tshow and has the worst simp and Sugar Daddy epidemic in the country. I mean it is even worse than NYC, LA, or Vegas down here. I was out doing daygame today and came across so many age gaps where it was obvious she was with the dude for the money.

However, I am not going to leave Seeking so easily. I have a few more dates arranged and will let others know how it goes.

TBH though, I think Online Dating in general is dead for a lot of dudes out there. The ratios are insane and unless we get an app that disrupts the marketplace like crazy, we are kind of stuck.

If the girl is in her bra and panties it is your duty to turn the conversation at least somewhat sexual, Jesse.