Grrr.. I feel this forum is warping my view of women

[Alle_Gory]

no. mary jane only likes peter as a friend... and she starts seeing his best friend harry instead of peter.
but peter does fall in love with him and keeps it a secret.

while dating harry, spiderman kisses mj and she starts having feelings for him (spiderman not peter). for a very long time, every time peter tries to ask her out, she isn't interested. she is always interested in spiderman.
then one day, she realizes that peter is spiderman and tells him she knows it is him and plants a big fat kiss on him

That actually makes alot of sense...

Sure, right after you point out the guys who aren't hypocrites too.

Keep waiting. In my life, I've only met a handful of guys that can fit that description and maybe one girl.

I like that you defend your "sisters" but there's nothing honorable there. Talk is cheap.

 

[wait_out]

Penkitten it's different in the original comics published in the 60's or 70's. After she eventually found out, what I remember is MJ supporting Peter through the stress and danger of his alter-ego and absolving him of his failures to do more. I'm guessing you're talking about the movies, times change I guess.

Ease i would take Roissy's words with a grain of salt. The most honest article he ever wrote was about his own failed marriage. He has emotional reasons for banging the same drum all the time and in 5-10 years it will be obvious (and embarrassing to say anyone took him seriously). Paragon of reason my ass. Otherwise I agree with what you both said about Rollo's anecdote.

What I take issue with here is the idea that in all relationships your partner is going to undercut you rather than support you. A good woman will prompt you to re-establish your frame, not sabotage you. There's a limit to how much support you'll have (until you became a leech) but that doesn't mean relationships can't exist which are primarily cooperative rather than adversarial.

So many things in relationships are mundane -- washing dishes with your girlfriend for example. Even these things can be happy memories though if your frame is both correct. Who in god's name is going to be mysterious all the time? What kind of girl expects that? It's immature and it's stupid, and its doomed to failure. Lois in this anecdote was not a good partner, because she was too stupid to recognize what made herself tick, too passive to tell Clark to get his sh!t together, and too spineless to break it off when the relationship passed its expiration date. *Lots* of girls like her out there -- it can seem like the whole world -- but if you think that represents a typical relationship rather than an utter disaster from a deeply immature and oblivious couple, you are going to become cynical. Some girls like it rougher in bed and they'll ask you politely to pull their hair, rather than just being silently b!tchy and dissatisfied before they rationalize a reason to cheat on you.

If you get punked by an entitled princess who wants a superhero, but won't support you through your moments of humanity, you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

[Ice882]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npW35bpmZfc

 

[penkitten]

That actually makes alot of sense...

oh typo... peter fell in love with her not himself... sorry about the typo...

 

[CuriousGirl]

That actually makes alot of sense...



Keep waiting. In my life, I've only met a handful of guys that can fit that description and maybe one girl.

I like that you defend your "sisters" but there's nothing honorable there. Talk is cheap.

I can't believe you can say that, there are a hell of a lot of guys like that and yes a hell of a lot of girls too. And I'm not saying it for the sake of defending women, I just don't understand why you can't see that some men are like that too.

 

[Alle_Gory]

I can't believe you can say that, there are a hell of a lot of guys like that and yes a hell of a lot of girls too. And I'm not saying it for the sake of defending women, I just don't understand why you can't see that some men are like that too.

Hon, you're brighter than most other girls your age... but you're still 19.

You're going to eventually learn that people, in general have no clue about most things and especially about themselves. They'll say one thing and do another. That's hypocrisy.

This is why I try to judge by actions and not words. What someone does will tell you far more about that person than what they tell you.

oh typo... peter fell in love with her not himself... sorry about the typo...

I thought you meant peter had a thing for harry. This would explain alot of the subplot between peter and harry in the spiderman movies.

 

[zekko]

then one day, she realizes that peter is spiderman and tells him she knows it is him and plants a big fat kiss on him

Actually, I just saw this movie and that is not what happened.
At the end of the film in the cemetery she tells Peter that when her life was in danger he was the one she was thinking about, and she realized that she loved him.
THEN they kiss. Pete friendzones her and walks away. That's when she realizes from kissing him that he was Spider-Man (because she had kissed Spider-Man earlier in the movie). At least that was what was implied.

Funny you guys brought up this movie. As I was watching it I kept thinking about SoSuave, just because Peter was being such a huge AFC through most of the movie. He was kind of being the ultimate AFC dream in a way, orbiting Mary Jane as a friend, hoping one day she would wake up and realize he was the one. Which she does, but that just goes to show that Hollywood is mostly BS.

 

[penkitten]

when i was a kid, i remember there were lots of different comics with spiderman and as i remember it... he dated other girls before mj even the cat buglar chick and mj was his best friend first... and then he fell in love with her and she fell in love with spiderman and then when she realized he was spiderman, he became her man.

 

[zekko]

when i was a kid, i remember there were lots of different comics with spiderman and as i remember it... he dated other girls before mj even the cat buglar chick and mj was his best friend first... and then he fell in love with her and she fell in love with spiderman and then when she realized he was spiderman, he became her man.

Oh, I thought you were talking about the movies. If you're talking about the comics, I honestly don't remember what happened there exactly, they were kind of a mess, all over the place.

I used to read Spider-Man back in the 70s. He was dating Gwen Stacy, and Mary Jane was kind of a flirtatious friend. Then the Green Goblin killed Gwen, and later I remember he and Mary Jane were kind of dating. I know they later got married, but by that point I wasn't reading it anymore. So I'm not sure how that happened. I always thought Spider-Man worked best as a teenager, rather than as a grown up adult.

 

[ARrocket]

So I used to watch the Spider-Man cartoon series on Fox Kids back in the 90s, and in that Peter Parker was dating Mary Jane, although not really exclusively. She was not aware of his true identity at the time, which is why she always used to get pissed off when all of a sudden he'd just "disappear" (to go fight crime of course). There was also Felecia Hardy, some super wealthy chick who had a thing for Peter (and also was unaware of his identity), whom he would see from time to time.