Great advice Vassago

[jenna]

I just bumped into this forum today and thought how really interesting it was. Some of you guys really get what women are about. I had to give Kuddos to Vassago on the thread"How to make yourself good looking". Too many times, men complain about attractive women being a b* to them. Yet, most of these guys would really have more of a positive response from women if they took the initiative to make themselves more physically attractive.

Though I do not believe in being rude to anyone, I have noticed the guys who try the least with their looks are always the ones who are the pickiest.

From a woman's point of view I must admit looks matter. I do not mean you have to be a hunk, but take care of your appearance.

Someone mentioned Crest White stips. Great advice!. I do not know how many times I have met guys who are decent to look at, but their teeth are not the best. How many guys are willing to date girls with unattractive teeth? Your smile says alot. It says you care about yourself and you have good hygiene. Nice teeth and clean breath also make it very appealing to kiss you.

Bad posture is a turn-off. So is a pot belly. How do you perceive bad posture or a pot belly on a woman? Bad posture says you may be insecure. While a pot belly shows you may have little discipline. If you have a couple of extra pounds distributed in the right places that is alright. But a few extra pounds all in the wrong place in not attractive.

I agree with the fact a good haircut is very important. It can make a big diffrence. Also, agree with shaving head for balding men. I adviced a friend who is balding badly at 26 to just shave it and grow a goatee. He has seen a huge difference in the way women respond to him. The change in his confidence has been immense.

Nice clean somewhat stylsih clothes are nice. But a person who dresses too casual or too dressy is not. Somewhat in between as Vassago described is great.

Get a manicure once in awhile.

If you are heavy, lose weight.

Yes, there are gorgeous girls who will put up with guys who do not try. But I question what is wrong with these girls the same way a man would question a good looking guy who dates women that are not that appealing, yet also make no effort with her looks.

Most women want to be proud of the man she is with. Again,she does not expect you to be perfect. But a man who initially started off being a 5 can make himself into a 7,especially if his body is in shape. Girls who are 8,9 and 10's will have no problem feeling pride when she has a man looks confident and sure of himself. Just as you want to feel pride with your girlfriends, we like to feel pride walking hand in hand with ours.Your partner says alot about you.

Though I am a girl who responds to nice guys very well. I understand I am in the minority when it comes to that, so I understand what some are saying about women on this forum.

But if you are going to use these techniques, fix yourself up into an attractive package. Otherwise, what is the use?

Westcoaster, I too am a foreign woman(I preffer to leave my country out of this). But I have to say please be careful how you idealize us . I have known many men from my country who bring back wives to the U.S. because they do not want one influenced by American culture. Guess what? They will be influenced somehow when they get here.
My cousin married a girl who was a 19 year old virgin, never out of her parents sight. Guess who was caught having an affair? Another guy I know married a pretty Russian girl and she took him for a lot of money after filling charges on him,and this guy is a doctor. He swears he will be single from now on. Another guy I know(Who really should be reading this thread on how to be more attractive) married a girl from Venezuela and he complains though she was dirt poor back there,she is totally ungrateful for anything he does.


Sure there are nice girls all over the world, but there are nice girls in the U.S. too. It just takes time and technique to weed them out. Look into yourself. You may actually benefit from the advice given here instead of fighting it. All you need is 1 nice girl.

Once upon a time I though American men and latin menwere jerks(sorry guys) and Europeans better. But I realized I was wrong and there were some great ones out there who did not play games. To make a long story short, I met the man of my dreams 3 years ago. He is kind, sincere, loving. Does exactly as he says. Calls constantly to tell me how much he loves me.Tells me I'm beautiful all the time. I appreciate him very much for being so dependable and nice I guess I am different than most girls.I appreciate stability.

Good luck guys.There is plenty of good advice here.

 

[ScrewIt]

Originally posted by jenna
I just bumped into this forum today and thought how really interesting it was. Some of you guys really get what women are about. I had to give Kuddos to Vassago on the thread"How to make yourself good looking". Too many times, men complain about attractive women being a b* to them. Yet, most of these guys would really have more of a positive response from women if they took the initiative to make themselves more physically attractive.

Though I do not believe in being rude to anyone, I have noticed the guys who try the least with their looks are always the ones who are the pickiest.

From a woman's point of view I must admit looks matter. I do not mean you have to be a hunk, but take care of your appearance.

Someone mentioned Crest White stips. Great advice!. I do not know how many times I have met guys who are decent to look at, but their teeth are not the best. How many guys are willing to date girls with unattractive teeth? Your smile says alot. It says you care about yourself and you have good hygiene. Nice teeth and clean breath also make it very appealing to kiss you.

Bad posture is a turn-off. So is a pot belly. How do you perceive bad posture or a pot belly on a woman? Bad posture says you may be insecure. While a pot belly shows you may have little discipline. If you have a couple of extra pounds distributed in the right places that is alright. But a few extra pounds all in the wrong place in not attractive.

I agree with the fact a good haircut is very important. It can make a big diffrence. Also, agree with shaving head for balding men. I adviced a friend who is balding badly at 26 to just shave it and grow a goatee. He has seen a huge difference in the way women respond to him. The change in his confidence has been immense.

Nice clean somewhat stylsih clothes are nice. But a person who dresses too casual or too dressy is not. Somewhat in between as Vassago described is great.

Get a manicure once in awhile.

If you are heavy, lose weight.

Yes, there are gorgeous girls who will put up with guys who do not try. But I question what is wrong with these girls the same way a man would question a good looking guy who dates women that are not that appealing, yet also make no effort with her looks.

Most women want to be proud of the man she is with. Again,she does not expect you to be perfect. But a man who initially started off being a 5 can make himself into a 7,especially if his body is in shape. Girls who are 8,9 and 10's will have no problem feeling pride when she has a man looks confident and sure of himself. Just as you want to feel pride with your girlfriends, we like to feel pride walking hand in hand with ours.Your partner says alot about you.

Though I am a girl who responds to nice guys very well. I understand I am in the minority when it comes to that, so I understand what some are saying about women on this forum.

But if you are going to use these techniques, fix yourself up into an attractive package. Otherwise, what is the use?

Westcoaster, I too am a foreign woman(I preffer to leave my country out of this). But I have to say please be careful how you idealize us . I have known many men from my country who bring back wives to the U.S. because they do not want one influenced by American culture. Guess what? They will be influenced somehow when they get here.
My cousin married a girl who was a 19 year old virgin, never out of her parents sight. Guess who was caught having an affair? Another guy I know married a pretty Russian girl and she took him for a lot of money after filling charges on him,and this guy is a doctor. He swears he will be single from now on. Another guy I know(Who really should be reading this thread on how to be more attractive) married a girl from Venezuela and he complains though she was dirt poor back there,she is totally ungrateful for anything he does.


Sure there are nice girls all over the world, but there are nice girls in the U.S. too. It just takes time and technique to weed them out. Look into yourself. You may actually benefit from the advice given here instead of fighting it. All you need is 1 nice girl.

Once upon a time I though American men and latin menwere jerks(sorry guys) and Europeans better. But I realized I was wrong and there were some great ones out there who did not play games. To make a long story short, I met the man of my dreams 3 years ago. He is kind, sincere, loving. Does exactly as he says. Calls constantly to tell me how much he loves me.Tells me I'm beautiful all the time. I appreciate him very much for being so dependable and nice I guess I am different than most girls.I appreciate stability.

Good luck guys.There is plenty of good advice here.

I do agree highly as i have a friend who does nothing about his looks. the only thing he keeps groomed is his mustache and he's only 19. and believe me....HE's HIGHLY picky about girls, and btw, he's never had a gf NOR ever will if he keeps this up. not only girls, but he's picky with other stuff.
he does absolutely nothing with his hair, so it loks something like a bowl over his head. im sure if he wore the appropriate clothes and groomed himself better alongwith his hair, more girls would be looking his way. i do tell him, but he just likes be ignorant.

 

[Craig Reeves]

Whaddup, jenna. It's nice to have women posting here.

You mention that changing your looks can affect your response from women. I agree with this, but it is certainly not going to make the difference between a cold response and a positive one.

If you are getting a cold response, then it is not just your appearance that's causing you problems. You could change your look all you want to and you will still be unsuccessful. Sure you may get more looks, but that does NOT equal success.

The difference in response is small based on your looks. Looks DO NOT create attraction. Let me say that again, Looks DO NOT create attraction. Sure, they may help you get some physical interest from the ladies, but if you suck with women, your looks will get you nowhere.

You see, most guys rely too much on their appearance to get them women, because appearance isn't difficult to change, and makes for a good quick fix (and also an excuse for not being successful).

Though I do not believe in being rude to anyone, I have noticed the guys who try the least with their looks are always the ones who are the pickiest.

You indirectly proved a point that I have been trying to make ever since I came on these boards. You just told me that the most UN-attractive guys seem to want the most attractive ones. If I'm not mistaken, I thought the principle on this board was that the attractive only want the attractive. Wouldn't this carry over to women? It doesn't matter how attractive a woman is, that doesn't mean she wants somebody who's as good looking as her.

I agree that looks matter, but looks DO NOT create attraction. I make myself look good for ME, not to impress some woman that I don't even know if I'm going to like.

I don't do anything to impress women. I don't try and "look my best and be on my best behavior" so that women will like me. Sorry. And looks will NOT make women like you, nor will it give you success. Sure it will help, but looks alone are useless.

Someone mentioned Crest White stips. Great advice!. I do not know how many times I have met guys who are decent to look at, but their teeth are not the best.

Perfection is boring, everyone knows that. Everyone has some kind of flaw. The reason why some guys are picky, is because they are unsuccessful. I know that doesn't make much sense, but it's easy to be picky when you can't have ANY woman anyway.

How many guys are willing to date girls with unattractive teeth?

You're making it sound as if guys want women with perfect teeth, and women only want guys with perfect teeth. Some women are very attractive, but may not have perfectly straight teeth.

Your smile says alot. It says you care about yourself and you have good hygiene. Nice teeth and clean breath also make it very appealing to kiss you.

I agree with hygeine. You should practice hygeine anyway whether you're going out on a date or even going to work.

Bad posture is a turn-off. So is a pot belly.

To say that women will not date a guy with bad posture or a pot belly is actually not true, either.

Well, I digress. I DO agree with you on the posture part, because that goes more into how you carry yourself. However, I personally know more guys who are OVERWEIGHT and successful with women, than I know who BUILT and successful with women.

How do you perceive bad posture or a pot belly on a woman?

For some reason, women tend to think that guys CANNOT be attracted to women who aren't thin. That's bullcorn. I guess this is why y'all try so hard and end up racking up the statistics with your eating disorders, huh? It's WOMEN who are the superficial ones. Not only on guys, but themselves too.

Bad posture says you may be insecure. While a pot belly shows you may have little discipline.

If you pass the judgement that a guy may be insecure based off of his posture is a little odd to me. Insecurity is more based off of other body language to me. And if you pass the judgment that a man may be lazy just because he's overweight, then you prove the point that women are the shallow and superficial ones, NOT us like society says we are.

If you have a couple of extra pounds distributed in the right places that is alright. But a few extra pounds all in the wrong place in not attractive.

Most overweight guys are built pretty much the same. They're big, duh.

I agree with the fact a good haircut is very important. It can make a big diffrence.

Just make sure that the haircut is actually a style and is kept up.

Also, agree with shaving head for balding men. I adviced a friend who is balding badly at 26 to just shave it and grow a goatee. He has seen a huge difference in the way women respond to him. The change in his confidence has been immense.

Women responded to him more based mainly off of the confidence change, not necessarily goatee.

Yes, there are gorgeous girls who will put up with guys who do not try. But I question what is wrong with these girls the same way a man would question a good looking guy who dates women that are not that appealing, yet also make no effort with her looks.

Haha. It doesn't matter. Do you really think that the average looking guy who is dating the hot babe CARES what those other guys think? And do you think that the average looking girl over there dating the stud that all of those aspiring fitness models want gives a DAAMN about what they think? Of course not! If anything, it's kind of a compliment!

Most women want to be proud of the man she is with.

I agree, but women will not be proud of a handsome wimp, either.

Again,she does not expect you to be perfect. But a man who initially started off being a 5 can make himself into a 7,especially if his body is in shape.

Well, it's not all about the body. I know women can have the body of a 10 and the face of a 2, and I wouldn't touch them with a 20 foot pole, believe me. I know this carries over to women.

Your partner says alot about you.

That's bullsh!t. So you mean to tell me that you have no identity unless you have a girlfriend/boyfriend? Or what about the nice girl next door dating that jerk? I guess SHE'S a jerk, too, huh? No wonder why so many GREAT women cry themselves to sleep just because they don't have a boyfriend.

Though I am a girl who responds to nice guys very well. I understand I am in the minority when it comes to that, so I understand what some are saying about women on this forum.

You're probably about the 10,000th woman to say such words.

But if you are going to use these techniques, fix yourself up into an attractive package. Otherwise, what is the use?

I have never believed in "tactics and techniques" to get a woman. Trying to use tricks and tactics to get a woman impressed and gain her approval is retarded.

Westcoaster, I too am a foreign woman(I preffer to leave my country out of this).

I know you're from Europe, because it is by far the most superficial and shallow continent in the world. Not that YOU'RE superficial and shallow (although you certainly seem to be), but because of the fact that you didn't tell us where you're from.

You may actually benefit from the advice given here instead of fighting it. All you need is 1 nice girl.

The predominant advice on here is to get as many girls as you can. And YOU'RE saying that you only need 1. You're contradicting yourself.

I met the man of my dreams 3 years ago. He is kind, sincere, loving. Does exactly as he says. Calls constantly to tell me how much he loves me.Tells me I'm beautiful all the time. I appreciate him very much for being so dependable and nice

******** Translator: "I met a nice wuss that I could control very well 3 years ago. I decided to date him because he had a cute a$$. He does exactly what I tell him to, and I have perfect control over him. He constantly calls and tells me how beautiful I am because I'm so hott and he's lucky to be with such a European hottie like me. I appreaciate his ablitly to be a great pet that I can have on a leesh and show off to my hott girlfriends. I must congratulate myself for raising such a nice BOY.

Good luck guys. Keep using tricks and tactics in the effort to impress us.....because we see what you're trying to do and it's flattering. I like desperate girly-men, so that's what you should be."

 

[Vigilante7]

THANK YOU!

Please post more often, we need more women opinions rather then gay men's..........

 

[jakethasnake]

Originally posted by Vigilante7
THANK YOU!

Please post more often, we need more women opinions rather then gay men's..........

That is a really stupid thing to say.


ONLY certain women who understand themselves and their sub-conscious motives should be posting here. Most should stay the hell away and silently appreciate that DJs understand them (like Jenna does) - it's better that way.

 

[Slashco]

^ Good thinking. Why would anyone listen to what _women_ say in the matter of relationships with women, especially when we've got the valuable advice of the bitter, dateless AFC wonders making up 90% of this forum?

I was wondering how long until this particular female poster got a hostile, combative, somewhat nasty reply 'just for the sake of arguing with a woman'. Happened quicker than usual. This forum hasn't changed much since I left (and reminded me why I did).

 

[jenna]

Reeves,
I did not state in my post anything about a man having to be handsome or a 9 or 10. I did not say what style of clothing he should wear.
What I did advice pertained to hygiene,clothing and good health.Take care of yourself, your body,and have some confidence.

You are right, not all women are attracted to the same look, just as not all men are attracted to the same type. But I do believe all men and women search for a partner who has good hygiene,dresses with care and is physically healthy. Do those things attract more partners? Yes.

Is learning how to deal with the opposite sex going to attract more partners? Yes. But how are you going to attract a lot of potential partners if initially you will have 5 minutes or so to get a phone # or contact info?.
There are tons of places to meet nice women. Libraries, coffee shops, beach, anywhere really. But you may have just a few minutes to make a first impression and if you really are looking into the numbers game. Looking more attractive can certainly help you get your foot in the door quickly and more often. Also knowing how to deal with women will keep you there. A man who has that package can be a powerhouse.

If you feel I am shallow,so be it. I said a man who is a 5 can easily make himself up to be a 7 and attract women who are 8's 9's and 10's. I guess to you that statement makes me shallow.

having pride in your partner for his achievements and appearance is not a bad thing. Men can have pride in their partners, why can't women. Yes, your partner and friends do say alot about you. Someone once said show me a man's friends and I can tell you who he is. I find that to be true.

Last but not least, my boyfriend is far from a wuss. He is a man all the way. Just because he does what he says and is willing to open his heart does not make him weak.

In fact, he is definately one to put his foot down when it is needed. I moved to be with him and left everything I have ever known behind. My family is far and I have to travel to see them. But I was willing to sacrifice a lot because I found a good man.

I do not expect him to support me . I work and we share all the bills. I also am not afraid to give him compliments and to be 110% reliable. We are not club people, but rather homebodies. I feel I have met the person I want to grow old with. That may not be what you or anyone else on this forum wants, but please have some respect and try not to stereotype everyone.

 

[Eternal]

Originally posted by Craig Reeves
Well, it's not all about the body. I know women can have the body of a 10 and the face of a 2, and I wouldn't touch them with a 20 foot pole, believe me. I know this carries over to women.

"It ain't no fun unless we all get some, we need a tip drill."

 

[jakethasnake]

Originally posted by Slashco
^ Good thinking. Why would anyone listen to what _women_ say in the matter of relationships with women, especially when we've got the valuable advice of the bitter, dateless AFC wonders making up 90% of this forum?

I was wondering how long until this particular female poster got a hostile, combative, somewhat nasty reply 'just for the sake of arguing with a woman'. Happened quicker than usual. This forum hasn't changed much since I left (and reminded me why I did).

Oh please. Now go take your self-righteous azz away and leave us "idiots" alone, then. How ingratiatingly irritating you are.

 

[Slashco]

Yep, thanks for confirming my beliefs.

Originally posted by jakethasnake
Most [women] should stay the hell away...

I found that quote particularly funny because with your type of attitude, that is exactly what will happen for the rest of your life.

Don't worry, I will now take my 'azz' out of here and let you and your friends get back to working on 'da smoove moves fer mackin on da hunniez'...

 

[jakethasnake]

Just go away. I'm not even gonna bother. Now GO.

 

[Jon E]

Originally posted by jakethasnake
Oh please. Now go take your self-righteous azz away and leave us "idiots" alone, then. How ingratiatingly irritating you are.

Ha-Ha, you guys crack me up.

President Bush, President Bush! We've found some members of Al-Qaeda that say they know where Osama is hiding!

Bush: I dont need any of their Goddamn help, I can find him myself!

 

[JustDoItAlways]

Hey you guys, do not encourage the female posters.

Sure jenna's first post is ok. But give her 10 more and you'll be wishing she never started.

No, I love women. But when they post on this forum, 95 times out of 100, they end up causing nothing but problems.

 

[Slashco]

Well, I've seen more than a few in my time here, and when there is trouble I know who generally starts it (hint: belligerent, hostile, bitter and not female). Personally I think a site dedicated to pursuing women could benefit from women posting, but maybe I'm just insane...

 

[MetalFortress]

Maybe all you frustrated nutjobs can quit bickering and dedicate your time here to actually giving advice, flawed or not, as Jenna did. At least she did that much, you fools just sit at your comps bickering and being holier than thou.

One comment about Jenna...

"To make a long story short, I met the man of my dreams 3 years ago. He is kind, sincere, loving. Does exactly as he says. Calls constantly to tell me how much he loves me.Tells me I'm beautiful all the time. I appreciate him very much for being so dependable and nice"

Call me crazy, but this doesn't sound mutually exclusive to wimp-hood, except for "calling constantly", unless she doesn't think of "constantly" in the same way we do. Aside from "calling constantly" this pretty much describes me, but I am also big, powerful (heavy iron is my drug!), masculine, natural leader, take no disrespect from women or anyone, and if someone is pissing me off, I'm going to straighten them out.

 

[JustDoItAlways]

You'll change your tune after Jenna becomes a "Master Don Juan" by posting daily about the ups and downs in her personal life.

See "Iqqi" on the main discussion page if you want proof.

 

[AMF]

Originally posted by Jon E and edited by AMF
President Bush, President Bush!

We've found some members of Al-Qaeda that say they know where Osama is hiding, but they are international terrorists who lie habitually!

 

[Jon E]

Of course they lie all the time, but every once in a while they slip in a little good info that can be very useful.

Even if its all 98% crap, its the 2% that makes it worth while.

 

[Slashco]

I honestly don't understand how you people can ever expect to have a good, fulfilling relationship with a woman when you consider them 'the enemy'.

 

[jakethasnake]

You're right.

Originally posted by Slashco
I honestly don't understand how you people can ever expect to have a good, fulfilling relationship with a woman when you consider them 'the enemy'.

For many of these guys, "DJ-ism" is just hardcore feminism with a healthy dose of testosterone. Equally as useless as those Fem-Nazis.