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Originally posted by Wyldfire
If they were pointing a gun at you and threatening to kill you and you shot them it's highly unlikely you'd serve any time...even if you killed them.
but what if the person is just pointing the gun? and does not threaten to kill you?

much the same as what if the guy was just feeling you up? and did not infact threaten to rape you or harm you in anyway,, you just percived it as that

and before you say pointing a gun at somone is threatening to kill what if the gun was empty? same as what if the guy had no intention of hurting you or raping you, he just wanted to feel
 

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Originally posted by john_x
but what if the person is just pointing the gun? and does not threaten to kill you?

much the same as what if the guy was just feeling you up? and did not infact threaten to rape you or harm you in anyway,, you just percived it as that

and before you say pointing a gun at somone is threatening to kill what if the gun was empty? same as what if the guy had no intention of hurting you or raping you, he just wanted to feel
Groping is SEXUAL ASSAULT. Groping is a CRIME. Groping is PUNISHABLE BY LAW. Men have NO RIGHT to grope women who DON'T want to be GROPED. The man who groped me COMMITTED A CRIME. I knocked him out with my beer mug. I was JUSTIFIED in knocking him about because he SEXUALLY ASSAULTED me.

I don't give a rat's ass if he "just wanted to feel" or not. He VIOLATED me because I did NOT want to "be felt". He SEXUALLY ASSAULTED me and I f*cking hit him with a beer mug. HE broke the law and I got his nasty ass off of me.

That has NOTHING to do with guns.
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire
Groping is SEXUAL ASSAULT. Groping is a CRIME. Groping is PUNISHABLE BY LAW. Men have NO RIGHT to grope women who DON'T want to be GROPED. The man who groped me COMMITTED A CRIME. I knocked him out with my beer mug. I was JUSTIFIED in knocking him about because he SEXUALLY ASSAULTED me.

I don't give a rat's ass if he "just wanted to feel" or not. He VIOLATED me because I did NOT want to "be felt". He SEXUALLY ASSAULTED me and I f*cking hit him with a beer mug. HE broke the law and I got his nasty ass off of me.

That has NOTHING to do with guns.
i have not once said that groping is not a crime,and yes it is punishable by law, your missing the point here, you where not JUSTIFIED in knocking him out, he commited a crime but he did not pose a threat to you, or hurt you in anyway

yes he sexually assaulted you,, and you where in your rights to walk away and phone the ploice, you did not have the right to smash a glass over his head, he felt your tits,, your treating it as if he tried to rape you in a dark alley,,over dramatic or what?

and yea i know it has nothing to do with guns that was just an example, you clearly have no control over your emotions and just let loose dont you?
 

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Originally posted by john_x
i have not once said that groping is not a crime,and yes it is punishable by law, your missing the point here, you where not JUSTIFIED in knocking him out, he commited a crime but he did not pose a threat to you, or hurt you in anyway

yes he sexually assaulted you,, and you where in your rights to walk away and phone the ploice, you did not have the right to smash a glass over his head, he felt your tits,, your treating it as if he tried to rape you in a dark alley,,over dramatic or what?

and yea i know it has nothing to do with guns that was just an example, you clearly have no control over your emotions and just let loose dont you?
Yes, I WAS justified in knocking his ass out. He was NOT justified in touching me and pinning me against the bar. I couldn't just "walk away" because I was pinned against the bar. Contrary to what you might think...when some strange guy touches you sexually it IS extremely upsetting and you DO feel threatened and frightened. Again...I was ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED in hitting him to get him off me.
 

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What if some dude grabbed your girlfriend or sister or moms ass? Would you pat him on the back and say it's only natural?

Or what if some dude grabbed YOUR ass, pinned you to the bar, put his hand down your pants and felt your balls?

I guess you could walk away and phone the police. Or you could smash him over the head with a beer mug. Which do you think is going to be more effective?
 

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Originally posted by Nighthawk
What if some dude grabbed your girlfriend or sister or moms ass? Would you pat him on the back and say it's only natural?

Or what if some dude grabbed YOUR ass, pinned you to the bar, put his hand down your pants and felt your balls?

I guess you could walk away and phone the police. Or you could smash him over the head with a beer mug. Which do you think is going to be more effective?
No doubt...I mean, I could have called the police and filed charges AFTER I got him off me. There were certainly enough witnesses to get a conviction easy enough. Then the guy would have had to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life for grabbing me in a bar when he was probably drunk and being stupid. The whack on the forehead will likely prevent him from ever doing it to anyone again and he won't be considered a sex offender for the rest of his life.

Oh...and I didn't call out for some other guy to help me and risk getting hurt or in trouble, either. I handled it myself.
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire
No doubt...I mean, I could have called the police and filed charges AFTER I got him off me. There were certainly enough witnesses to get a conviction easy enough. Then the guy would have had to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life for grabbing me in a bar when he was probably drunk and being stupid. The whack on the forehead will likely prevent him from ever doing it to anyone again and he won't be considered a sex offender for the rest of his life.

Oh...and I didn't call out for some other guy to help me and risk getting hurt or in trouble, either. I handled it myself.
what the **** are you on about(yea good u handled it your self yea wicked) but did you even ask him to get off you? um no u never, as u said u reacted so fast and just done it

you went stright for the last option,,
 

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Originally posted by john_x
what the **** are you on about(yea good u handled it your self yea wicked) but did you even ask him to get off you? um no u never, as u said u reacted so fast and just done it

you went stright for the last option,,
Actually, I DID tell him to leave me alone after he grabbed me. That's when he pressed up against me and pinned me to the bar...laughing. That's when I smiled at him and belted him with the beer mug. Even if I hadn't told him to leave me alone it was HIM who assumed that it was his right to touch me. It was him that pinned me against the bar. So...it was him that found himself picking himself up off the floor. There was nothing unjust about how I handled it.
 

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Ok, for legality's sake . . .

You are authorized the use of deadly force if you BELIEVE that your life, or the life of a third party, is in immediate danger. However it must be IMMEDIATE danger. You can't pull a gun and then shoot him as he's running away. I actually asked a cop this question two days ago.

As far as the mug smashing incident, if there would've been severe damage to the male, you probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble. You're a woman, and the legal system is heavily biased when it comes to women. Now if you were a male, yeah you probably would've gotten arrested.
 

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Originally posted by fender85
Ok, for legality's sake . . .

You are authorized the use of deadly force if you BELIEVE that your life, or the life of a third party, is in immediate danger. However it must be IMMEDIATE danger. You can't pull a gun and then shoot him as he's running away. I actually asked a cop this question two days ago.

As far as the mug smashing incident, if there would've been severe damage to the male, you probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble. You're a woman, and the legal system is heavily biased when it comes to women. Now if you were a male, yeah you probably would've gotten arrested.
If I were a guy then he would not have sexually assaulted me and pinned me up against the bar so that I couldn't get away from him. Telling him to leave me alone didn't make him leave me alone. I had three choices. I could have allowed him to violate me and just let him sexually assault me. I could have called out for help from some guy to step in on my behalf. I could have hit him. I hit him. If I had of hit him with just my hand it would not have been effective in getting him off me. In fact, it could have led to me being hurt by him. In a situation like that where you are at a severe physical disadvantage...if you are going to hit to defend yourself you need to make it count. That's what I did.

And again...I would not have gotten into any trouble for what I did. The guy had me PINNED against the bar and wouldn't let me move. His intent was to continue with what he was doing...committing a sexual assault against me. I did NOT intend to hurt him. I intended to get away from him. When an indictment is considered, the INTENT is looked at.

If I were a guy and reacted as I did to some dude grabbing me and pinning me against the bar none of you would see anything at all wrong with what I did. Sorry guys...but just because some men think they should be given a pass for doing something like this to a woman or think it's "no big deal"...I have news for you...it IS a big deal. I should be able to walk up to the bar and get a drink without some idiot putting his hands on my body and trying to force himself on me in a sexual way. I"m not going to apologize or be made to feel in any way guilty for protecting myself against a sexual assault.
 

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Originally posted by flexion_
I'm not sure why you didn't leave when the person that invited you asked you leave? Thats their right to do that...

That pretty much asked for a fight with that so no surprises there.

Besides, if you were in with the girls then you should have just got their phone numbers and left with the boys - there was too much sausage there in the first place. Most likely the the girls would have left with you!
It wasn't his party - it was the girls' party, and their apartment. Considering he had nothing to do with throwing the party, he was in no position to ask me to leave. It was the girls' house, not his. In fact, it pissed me off that he was trying to make me leave.

But, you're right, it was a sausage fest - and an angry one at that so we were glad to excuse ourselves. I don't think that the girls would have left their own house party though.
 

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Originally posted by Nighthawk
What if some dude grabbed your girlfriend or sister or moms ass? Would you pat him on the back and say it's only natural?

Or what if some dude grabbed YOUR ass, pinned you to the bar, put his hand down your pants and felt your balls?

I guess you could walk away and phone the police. Or you could smash him over the head with a beer mug. Which do you think is going to be more effective?
yea **** head read up,ive already said id glass a man if he touched me,me debate is that is not justifiable to do,
 

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I don't even care about the mug incident or any of that other ****... but I will go so far as to say you couldn't be too classy if you spend all this time hanging out with players on the net.

Ok, well, you smiled before hitting him. Does that say you were pissed? No, it says you felt PROUD of what you were about to do. Automatic reaction? If you screamed at him and stabbed him, at least I'd know it was automatic. You're talking about some feminist bull****, on a player's site...

Furthermore, you never should've been showing enough interest and flirting with him to the extent of him taking that as being okay. So like someone else said, don't dress or act like a slut and you shouldn't have to worry about it. And don't try to tell me he just walked up to an attractive woman, and harrassed her, with no indicators of interest. It just doesn't work that way.
 

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Originally posted by john_x
ah now you story changes slightly from the originalll i see:D

anyway if women didt go out dressed up like slags,maybe it would happen less:D
You're a f*cking moron troll...


That is all.
 

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Originally posted by Nighthawk
So... you're syaing it's not justifiable, right?



Wait... so it is justifiable? Got it.



Oh I get it, you're an idiot.
No your the ****ing idiot as u do not read,
(you are also missing the point here,you think people are trying to make you feel bad wronge etc for what you did,, its not that,,do what you want,, just dont true to justifie it to make your self feel beter,, its BS)<-----quoted from me
ive pointed out on more than one time,that im not debating weather she should have done it or not,im debating that YOU CANT JUSTIFIE THAT ACTION
ill say it to you once again( as hay you seem a bit on the slow sisde) id glass the queer for touching my arse,,but i wouldt try and justifie it,, as its wronge and i know that
****ing idiot
 

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Originally posted by Iamnotacrook
I don't even care about the mug incident or any of that other ****... but I will go so far as to say you couldn't be too classy if you spend all this time hanging out with players on the net.

Ok, well, you smiled before hitting him. Does that say you were pissed? No, it says you felt PROUD of what you were about to do. Automatic reaction? If you screamed at him and stabbed him, at least I'd know it was automatic. You're talking about some feminist bull****, on a player's site...

Furthermore, you never should've been showing enough interest and flirting with him to the extent of him taking that as being okay. So like someone else said, don't dress or act like a slut and you shouldn't have to worry about it. And don't try to tell me he just walked up to an attractive woman, and harrassed her, with no indicators of interest. It just doesn't work that way.
I didn't even LOOK at the f*cking guy, let alone talk to him or "flirt" with him. I'd never even laid eyes on him before. I was wearing jeans and a nice blouse...nothing revealing or suggestive. And for God's sakes...STOP blaming me for a guy's LACK OF SELF CONTROL.

Yes, there are guys in bars who you don't even know or talk to DO think they can grab you when you walk past them. There are some who think they can expose themselves to you in store parking lots and on the sidewalk. I've had that happen to me too. One night around 10pm while I was sitting on my front steps a guy jumped out of the bushes bare bollocky ass naked and started cuffing his puppy in my direction. I was wearing sweatpants and a t-shirt and didn't have any makeup on and my hair was in a ponytail...hardly provocative dress.

That's it. From now on if a guy grabs me or acts like an idiot in that way not only will I hit him, I'll file sexual assault charges too. I have NEVER disliked men, but some of you idiots are giving me reason to...

ANYONE who would defend someone who commits sexual assault needs their heads examined. It's men who behave that way that make things harder for normal guys. It's the bad men who give feminists ammunition to portray men as monsters. Defending those same men is pretty counterproductive and is the reason why some women think all men are the same.
 

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What's justifiable to one person is not to another. Wyldfire clearly feels her actions were justified, and you're not going to change her mind. You have stated that if you did the same thing, you would feel your actions were not justified. So that's that cleared up.
 

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Originally posted by john_x
and as for you , you little attention seeking SLAG, if i was with a friend and he felt a girls arse and she glassed him id beat the **** out of her,
your the one making the situation violent,, SEXUAL ASSULT SEXAUL ASSULT!!!
keep shoutng it from the rooof tops in your capital letters wont you:D
No, the second the guy touched me and pinned me against the bar HE was being violent. Violence isn't just hitting. You're an idiot.
 

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Originally posted by Iamnotacrook
Furthermore, you never should've been showing enough interest and flirting with him to the extent of him taking that as being okay. So like someone else said, don't dress or act like a slut and you shouldn't have to worry about it. And don't try to tell me he just walked up to an attractive woman, and harrassed her, with no indicators of interest. It just doesn't work that way. [/B]
I can't believe that some of you know any women at all, especially attractive ones. If you do you'll know they get uninvited hassle off creepy men on a regular basis.

And why the f*ck do you want women to not dress sexily? Are you fricking gay?
 

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yea that sounds fair enough!
also im not sticking up for any man who commit's sexual assult,, ive seen the effects it has upon my own sister, who was stalked for a long time and eventally stabbed,, not merley had her tits felt,
and again i was not sticking up for the guy that touched you,, for all i care you could have killed him on the spot,, your choice, just makes me laugh how people try to justifie such things

good point with the *its men like this that make it hard for the decent men!!*

id like to add the point of its the small % of women that are slags and wind men up all day using there looks etc that makes some men think its ok to just touch a girl like that, goes both ways
 
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