Generation Loser - Inexperienced Men are flooding the Internet

[r4zorsharp]

I've concluded after many years spending time on various venues for guys on the internet to share their thoughts on women, their experiences, questions, dating life, that there are more guys who spend time on the internet in these type of venues who are fairly to severely inexperienced with women than those who are experienced and have had robust understanding of women and the various personalities behind them.

To some of you it probably seems obvious.. "Yeah dudes who have a lot going on don't have time for forums and reading about women online" But I say that it's not that simple. Most men read about women in some point of their lives or another. Yes, there are a great portion of them who don't ever and things came naturally.. But, the thing is, it's the ones who spend time, asking questions, trying to soak up information that are really trying to learn.

Now these men can be divided in three categories:
-The man who is learning online because he hasn't had much experience to learn in the real world.
-The man who is learning online because not only has he not had much experience in the real world, but he's desperate for women and almost hopeless.
-The man who is learning to further his game, learn cold approach, because his plan and ultimate goal is to have a bunch of women on rotation. basically have multiple sex partners to contact whenever he needs to get his **** wet. (pardon my urban dialect)

(I left out the 4th one because the trend went from forums to group chats and private groups)
-The man who is experienced, has multiple sex partners, and always finding new ones, usually involved in private groups where they share videos, images, of their plates, and usually has a more Focused and Explicit nature.. Complete opposite of the categories where men whine about women and other men.

Here are the issues with these 3 categories:
-Man who is learning online because he hasn't had much experience in the real world is basically filling his head with alot of bull****, a lot of conflicting information, etc. Some of it might be helpful, but ultimately most of it falls short when hes actually on a date, as he tries to think back to what "Coach X" or "*****Slayer2481" said on "HowtoGetbit.ches Forum" . And if its not bull****, the content he does retain that is helpful, without the experience and social skills, its hard for him to apply it.. Thus, experience trumps all always becomes the paradigm. Thankfully for this man, he has some of what it takes to continue learning through variety of means.

-Man who is learning online because they're practically desperate/hopeless. These guys are already in a f-ed up place. We don't know how they got there, nor do we care. What we do hope for them (at least the good ones of us), is that they make it out. These men easily fall for scorned philosophies and develop a scorn and hatred for women without realizing its detriments. Yet they wonder why it becomes harder and harder for them, as they continue tot alk about the faults of women, and join other men to do so.

-Man who is learning to further his game because he has the goal of being somewhat of a player/DJ: Now, these are the type of guys I wish there were more of. However, the sad thing about these guys is its easy for them to fall into the "ego" mind and still develop the wrong ideas about women, because they can't help but be surrounded by all the nonsense of the first 2 categories. Regardless, these dudes will have the most success because they are inclined to taking action steps to gain more experience and focused on learning more and more, even if they nee to weed out alot of nonsense before they get there.


But how do we really help these categories if they are all intrinsically different? Now some of you maybe asking "why do we even help them?" Is it to pad our egos? or is it because we just feel we're more experienced, judging by what we see being said? It's neither. The reason we help them is maybe because we been where they've been, but more so because we all want the same or similar things - women, sex, pleasure, comfort, joy, happiness, confidence, status.

But who's really helping? We look at the nature of the content we find online in forums and this is what we see:
1) Post complaining about women
2) Post complaining about a man's behavior
3) Question about a woman that doesn't even have a place in the OP's life
4) Question about a woman who is apart of OP's life
5) Basic Ass Obvious Statement about women or men or "what men need to do to get women"

So where did we go wrong? We didn't. Men who got it going on don't spend that much time online anymore in these type of venues. Unless they're PUA's selling a course, trying to look for clients to coach, or trying to promote themselves.

So what does that leave? A big mix of men who want to accomplish more in their lives when it comes to dating and women. A severely bad mix. I would say if this was a Chex Mix, it would be full of pretzels.

It's tough to read some of the content online but, thankfully.. Not everyone needs to be apart of the communities as there are great content on websites in the form of articles and videos.

But as the paradigm goes, Experience trumps all. Go out there and make it happen. Whether Online, Offline, grocery stores, malls, parks, college campuses, concerts, sporting events.. Meet women, take action, plant seeds, secure numbers, etc. and if you're still struggling, maybe address other things in your life. It makes no sense to prioritize women if you have no job, or you lack social skills, or you got weiner issues.

Once again, EXPERIENCE is everything. But, for now, let's stop focusing on the problems of women, or why women are bad or evil. Let's focus on empowering our fellow man, and thinking more Proactive. I believe this forum can see a lot of great change. Afterall, there are some great gems on this forum in the form of insightful and meaningful posts.

 

[corrector]

. Go out there and make it happen. Whether Online, Offline, grocery stores, malls, parks, college campuses, concerts, sporting events.. Meet women, take action, plant seeds, secure numbers, etc. and if you're still struggling, maybe address other things in your life.

In other words, super-spreader events.

It makes no sense to prioritize women if you have no job, or you lack social skills, or you got weiner issues.

Or are in the middle of a pandemic.

 

[Medina]

95% of this forum has plenty experience with women

This isn't an incel forum. This is a players forum, practically

Any beef with women doesn't mean less experience. In some cases it means even more experience

 

[r4zorsharp]

In other words, super-spreader events.



Or are in the middle of a pandemic.

Haha, not everyone thinks so acutely. Youre too focused on the idea of the pandemic. Im speaking in general terms as the pandemic wasnt a factor a over year ago and wont be in the next few years. What I'm saying is timeless, not fixated on the current state of things as you are.

Dont give yourself excuses. Other dudes certainly aren't. Women aren't either. Dating apps are flourishing. People aren't wearing hypogenic bodysuits. Hell some people arent even wearing masks. Hell many states are fully open too.

 

[Bigpapa]

95% of this forum has plenty experience with women

This isn't an incel forum. This is a players forum, practically

Any beef with women doesn't mean less experience. In some cases it means even more experience

dunno mate , but being angry all the time about women sounds quite dumb

it happens to be pissed off by a girl for whatever reason , but for sure is stupid not to move on after a while

I am quite disappointed about women , as I see that for them is more important to try to tame you by force than not to loose you

Even though I have this feeling , I do not let it cloud my judgment , nor I feel the need to vent that much about it . I guess that I became quite numb in this regards

 

[r4zorsharp]

95% of this forum has plenty experience with women

This isn't an incel forum. This is a players forum, practically

Any beef with women doesn't mean less experience. In some cases it means even more experience

The post wasn't necessarily about this forum specifically. But the internet overall. and what kind of man has "beef with women". I kinda get what you mean but that just sounds funny to me.

If i ever have beef with a woman, let it be one of those manly tough bitches from NYC who get in dudes faces and talk all loud. nasty hoes.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

dunno mate , but being angry all the time about women sounds quite dumb

it happens to be pissed off by a girl for whatever reason , but for sure is stupid not to move on after a while

I am quite disappointed about women , as I see that for them is more important to try to tame you by force than not to loose you

Even though I have this feeling , I do not let it cloud my judgment , nor I feel the need to vent that much about it . I guess that I became quite numb in this regards

Being angry behind that gender is a "feminine" way of being. While they're over there "not giving a fvck"

 

[SW15]

This isn't an incel forum. This is a players forum, practically

There are some men on this forum that are closer to incel.

 

[corrector]

. Dating apps are flourishing. People aren't wearing hypogenic bodysuits. Hell some people arent even wearing masks. Hell many states are fully open too.

Of course, we all know super-chads are cleaning house. However, talk to someone of the likes of @SW15, or @LARaiders85 who are probably average to just above average looking guys, look at their posts, and they will say the only ones who are successful are the ones who had someone BEFORE the pandemic since its too difficult to meet anyone now. Now that you've mentioned dating apps and online how do we know you are not chadsplaining and preaching to the choir of chadlites/chads on the forum since practically no-one takes online dating seriously as an option if they are not chad/chadlite tier? What you don't see are success stories during the pandemic of average or below average looking dudes. Isn't that right @Atom Smasher, what do you think? You took 50 photos and selected the best ones. Who has time to do all that work?

 

[r4zorsharp]

Of course, we all know super-chads are cleaning house. However, talk to someone of the likes of @SW15, or @LARaiders85 who are probably average to just above average looking guys, look at their posts, and they will say the only ones who are successful are the ones who had someone BEFORE the pandemic since its too difficult to meet anyone now. Now that you've mentioned dating apps and online how do we know you are not chadsplaining and preaching to the choir of chadlites/chads on the forum since practically no-one takes online dating seriously as an option if they are not chad/chadlite tier? What you don't see are success stories during the pandemic of average or below average looking dudes. Isn't that right @Atom Smasher, what do you think? You took 50 photos and selected the best ones. Who has time to do all that work?

Hey, thanks for your reply. Honestly I don't think in terms of chads or non chads. I Just see things from my perspective, and the little perspective I see from others who I know irl or online on forums such as these.

I think we are deviating from the point of the post however, which is we're finding a lot of men online, desperately seeking tips, advice, knowledge on how to better their circumstances with women. But the problem seems its hard to cater to these individuals and help them when there are many scorned/scarcity based beliefs flooding the channels from men who are not having much success with women, regardless of a pandemic or not. Basically, inexperienced men who are creating ideas and focusing on mentalities that relate to victimhood and women being evil and stuff. I dubbed the phenomenon "Generation Loser" for the sake of a title.

 

[SW15]

Of course, we all know super-chads are cleaning house. However, talk to someone of the likes of @SW15, or @LARaiders85 who are probably average to just above average looking guys, look at their posts, and they will say the only ones who are successful are the ones who had someone BEFORE the pandemic since its too difficult to meet anyone now.

I realized pretty early in the pandemic that new pickup was going to be essentially impossible until it is over. In the early stages of the pandemic, a girlfriend broke up with me. After that happened, I had sex with 2 women I knew before her and before the pandemic. With one of those women, it had been a very long time since I last had sex with her. That girlfriend who dumped me is back in my life now. She came back to me after a period of no contact.

I did a little bit of outdoor path approaching this summer and fall and it was not all that great. I didn't delve deeply into it due to existing plate sex but I wasn't having a good time of it. I also was not enjoying the grocery stores with the masks, rendering it impossible to effectively approach.

I'm just above average on looks. My 5'10" height is uninspiring.

 

[r4zorsharp]

If you are a chad/chadlite then congrats on winning the genetic lottery and never having soul-crushing experiences with women. If you are an average or below average-looking guy writing a thread like that who pulled himself up by the bootstraps and succeeded in game, then we are all ears.

But can we consider the possibility that most negative threads on here are from average normie-tier guys that aren't getting the type of traction or respect they feel they deserve?

Let me ask you a question, one were to go on an online site and it takes someone two or three months to connect with someone they don't like but are settling with verses just going on an escort pages and meeting a hot girl they do like, what sounds like a better deal with you in that position knowing most women can just meet someone anytime on those same sites?

(didn't quote your whole post to make things a bit more trimmed)

Sorry for any confusion. I don't use dating apps currently. Last time I probably used a dating app was 2 years ago and had only jumped back on out of curiosity. I'm not a huge fan. In general I believe dating apps are flourishing because people still want to connect with sexual partners, as its our nature and since it's harder to talk to people offline due to the pandemic.

And no, I'm not a Chad haha. I'm as average as they come... I just always been a bit of a "natural" with women. Y'kno, the typical guy who friends would call "chick magnet", "player", etc. However, as I mentioned on this forum before, I'm no player. I was a bit of a player, or thought I was when I was younger but came to the conclusion I'm just a regular dude who happens to have good prospects/plates that I am grateful for and a knack of capturing women's interest/contact wherever I can. I'm a huge believer in platnign seeds wherever you can with women.. and that something may come out of them, maybe that same week or maybe down the line. I went from being called "Chick magnet" to a friend joking calling me the "master planter" "farmer" etc...

and to answer your questions, I think you made a good point. when you said :
But can we consider the possibility that most negative threads on here are from average normie-tier guys that aren't getting the type of traction or respect they feel they deserve?

I think this is probably hitting a nail on the head to a great degree.

To your last question:
I don't believe theres anything wrong with hitting escorts. I mean i've thought about it once or twice in my life, just never did. Never even hired a prostitute, and I'm very glad I can say that. Overall, it's just not my thing. I wouldn't even feel right doing that.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Of course, we all know super-chads are cleaning house. However, talk to someone of the likes of @SW15, or @LARaiders85 who are probably average to just above average looking guys, look at their posts, and they will say the only ones who are successful are the ones who had someone BEFORE the pandemic since its too difficult to meet anyone now. Now that you've mentioned dating apps and online how do we know you are not chadsplaining and preaching to the choir of chadlites/chads on the forum since practically no-one takes online dating seriously as an option if they are not chad/chadlite tier? What you don't see are success stories during the pandemic of average or below average looking dudes. Isn't that right @Atom Smasher, what do you think? You took 50 photos and selected the best ones. Who has time to do all that work?

It isn't difficult at all. It's just easier to use it as an excuse.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

What you’re forgetting here is that not everyone starts off at the same place. Some of us just needed a little bit of help and were bored one day and just so happened to find this place, whereas others were complete social retards in need of a major overhaul. Fact is, many people are new to this whole thing and are indoctrinated into the social engineering of Hollywood crap that leaves bluepilled dudes blue-balled, if anything.

You also have to consider that some people have different standards. I could go out and start hitting on some miscellaneous women who are average at best and probably get some if I really put myself out there, but why would I do that? No one wants to have sex with mediocre girls over hot ones except dudes that are deluding themselves or are so thirsty that they see every chick as hot. ****able isn’t good enough, at least not for me. Just cuz we CAN do it doesn’t mean we will. That’s the difference.

Lastly, it’s not so much about experience with women as much as it is experience with people. Women are simply an extension of overall social dynamics; they are NOT the bulk of it. Unfortunately, many men don’t see it as such. You can get better with women by simply getting better with people. That’s how the natural “player” is.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

What you’re forgetting here is that not everyone starts off at the same place. Some of us just needed a little bit of help and were bored one day and just so happened to find this place, whereas others were complete social retards in need of a major overhaul. Fact is, many people are new to this whole thing and are indoctrinated isn’t the social engineering of Hollywood crap that leaves bliepilled dudes blue-balled, if anything.

You also have to consider that some people have different standards. I could go out and start hitting on some miscellaneous women who are average at best and probably get some if I really put myself out there, but why would I do that? No one wants to have sex with mediocre girls over hot ones except dudes that are deluding themselves or are so thirsty that they see every chick as hot. ****able isn’t good enough, at least not for me. Just cuz we CAN do it doesn’t mean we will. That’s the difference.

Lastly, it’s not so much about experience with women as much as it is experience with people. Women are simply an extension of overall social dynamics; they are NOT the bulk of it. Unfortunately, many men don’t see it as such. You can get better with women by simply getting better with people. That’s how the natural “player” is.

Agree 200%

 

[r4zorsharp]

What you’re forgetting here is that not everyone starts off at the same place. Some of us just needed a little bit of help and were bored one day and just so happened to find this place, whereas others were complete social retards in need of a major overhaul. Fact is, many people are new to this whole thing and are indoctrinated isn’t the social engineering of Hollywood crap that leaves bliepilled dudes blue-balled, if anything.

You also have to consider that some people have different standards. I could go out and start hitting on some miscellaneous women who are average at best and probably get some if I really put myself out there, but why would I do that? No one wants to have sex with mediocre girls over hot ones except dudes that are deluding themselves or are so thirsty that they see every chick as hot. ****able isn’t good enough, at least not for me. Just cuz we CAN do it doesn’t mean we will. That’s the difference.

Lastly, it’s not so much about experience with women as much as it is experience with people. Women are simply an extension of overall social dynamics; they are NOT the bulk of it. Unfortunately, many men don’t see it as such. You can get better with women by simply getting better with people. That’s how the natural “player” is.

While I don't agree with everything you said there, I do agree that having social skills is a pivotal part of being able to connect with people, including women. (Pretty obvious some might say)

I personally don't like these internet made terms much and haven't read too much about them. But from what I gather, I feel like red pill is basically created out of scorned philosophy and blue pill is being normal. I know that might offend some of you dudes who really buy into these terms, but it's just how I see it. Notice that many people go from a place to "taking the red pill". "I took the red pill". Usually after a bad experience in their life, or a string of perceived failures.

None of my friends know what those terms mean by th eway. I dont' think anyone I know offline knows what they mean. It just goes to show you its some internet as$ ****. If I mentioned it to my friends, they'd surely think I'm talking about The Matrix.

Furthermore, the point of the post isn't necessarily about this forum. It's the idea that a lot of men who aren't having success with women go toward the internet to seek advice/help and end up all over the net, in places where peolpe talk about women and dating. However, it seems like a bulk of them tend to get caught in the nonsense/noise of the scarcity/scorned thinkers rather than the fly guys who are doing well.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

While I don't agree with everything you said there, I do agree that having social skills is a pivotal part of being able to connect with people, including women. (Pretty obvious some might say)

I personally don't like these internet made terms much and haven't read too much about them. But from what I gather, I feel like red pill is basically created out of scorned philosophy and blue pill is being normal. I know that might offend some of you dudes who really buy into these terms, but it's just how I see it. Notice that many people go from a place to "taking the red pill". "I took the red pill". Usually after a bad experience in their life, or a string of perceived failures.

None of my friends know what those terms mean by th eway. I dont' think anyone I know offline knows what they mean. It just goes to show you its some internet as$ ****. If I mentioned it to my friends, they'd surely think I'm talking about The Matrix.

Furthermore, the point of the post isn't necessarily about this forum. It's the idea that a lot of men who aren't having success with women go toward the internet to seek advice/help and end up all over the net, in places where peolpe talk about women and dating. However, it seems like a bulk of them tend to get caught in the nonsense/noise of the scarcity/scorned thinkers rather than the fly guys who are doing well.

Alright in layman’s terms:

Redpill = alpha male, doesn’t put women in a pedestal, etc.
Bluepill = simp, still believes in the Disney fairytale about women are super special creatures who can do no wrong, considers dudes who **** around with women to be douchebags.

Sometimes people say “redpill” to describe anything that they are now no longer brainwashed about, e.g. “I used to think that the government had our best interests at heart but Operation Northwoods redpilled me”. It was first used by an old poster on here (who later started his own blog about women) named Rollo Tomassi in reference to the Matrix, where the redpill wakes Neo up to reality whereas the bluepill will put him back to sleep and he can continue to believe in whatever he wants to believe. A lot of people use this term outside of forums like these, it’s actually somewhat common on twitter by people who never used it before.

Now that that’s out of the way—dude, most men outside of these forums aren’t actually getting laid. The problem isn’t that the manosphere talks so negative about women, it’s that society talks so positively about them. We as men have been lied to our whole lives about them, so we point out what we’ve been lied about. Rather than seeing women as what they are, society portrayed them as beings above the law who are kinder, sweeter, and more innocent than men who are less superficial and don’t like dominant, masculine men. This is horse****, and any guy who’s good with women knows that. The only “anger” or “scorn” there really is comes from how women believe that bull**** themselves and look down on men despite getting special treatment their whole lives (some dudes are mad because they won’t ever find “the one” i.e. their Cinderella princess, but that’s besides the point).

Most men are idiots who think getting married is a good idea, so of course they aren’t “angry” or “degrading” towards women. They’d bend over backwards for one if it meant he’d get her to give him the time of day. That doesn’t mean they’re out there getting laid; if anything, it means the opposite. Most dudes are desperate simps anyway. I don’t see what the purpose of your post even is really, it’s basically saying to stop talking bad about women and that if you do, you’re inexperienced. Like I thought I already had this discussion with you already.

 

[corrector]

Alright in layman’s terms:

Redpill = alpha male, doesn’t put women in a pedestal, etc.
Bluepill = simp, still believes in the Disney fairytale about women are super special creatures who can do no wrong, considers dudes who **** around with women to be douchebags.

Sometimes people say “redpill” to describe anything that they are now no longer brainwashed about, e.g. “I used to think that the government had our best interests at heart but Operation Northwoods redpilled me”. It was first used by an old poster on here (who later started his own blog about women) named Rollo Tomassi in reference to the Matrix, where the redpill wakes Neo up to reality whereas the bluepill will put him back to sleep and he can continue to believe in whatever he wants to believe. A lot of people use this term outside of forums like these, it’s actually somewhat common on twitter by people who never used it before.

Now that that’s out of the way—dude, most men outside of these forums aren’t actually getting laid. The problem isn’t that the manosphere talks so negative about women, it’s that society talks so positively about them. We as men have been lied to our whole lives about them, so we point out what we’ve been lied about. Rather than seeing women as what they are, society portrayed them as beings above the law who are kinder, sweeter, and more innocent than men who are less superficial and don’t like dominant, masculine men. This is horse****, and any guy who’s good with women knows that. The only “anger” or “scorn” there really is comes from how women believe that bull**** themselves and look down on men despite getting special treatment their whole lives (some dudes are mad because they won’t ever find “the one” i.e. their Cinderella princess, but that’s besides the point).

Most men are idiots who think getting married is a good idea, so of course they aren’t “angry” or “degrading” towards women. They’d bend over backwards for one if it meant he’d get her to give him the time of day. That doesn’t mean they’re out there getting laid; if anything, it means the opposite. Most dudes are desperate simps anyway. I don’t see what the purpose of your post even is really, it’s basically saying to stop talking bad about women and that if you do, you’re inexperienced. Like I thought I already had this discussion with you already.

You forgot to mention blackpill which is the non chad cant get away acting fake alpha man who will not put women on a pedistle but watch Netflix instead because its a more productive use of the internet than dating apps or any online dating.