Geez, we can't get Obama and his clowns out of office soon enough....

[Married Buried]

It seems like the only of those atacks that was under Obamas administration was the tear gas one. And tear gas, that I know, is very diferent from sarin gas.

Obama ran on the fact he was going to say something profound against Israel using chemical weapons on Palestine in 2009. The whole country knew it was wrong, and expected Obama to say something about it like he promised. Obama said "When I am elected, I will have plenty to say on Israel attacking Palestine."

Guess what happened? Obama got elected and he didn't say sh!t. He's just as bad as the rest. Why do you keep sticking up for Obama like he is different? The most funny thing is people still believe this guy is different, but the truth is he is the same or maybe even worse than Bush.

 

[backseatjuan]

Problem with America is the wide spread believe that there is difference between who you vote for. There is no difference who you vote for. President is a puppet that executes agenda from above -- be it from NSA, CIA, or Free Masons and Illuminati; pick one you love better. You people get to vote so that you are kept down, while they f'ck you for another 4 more years. :rock: :kick:

 

[Married Buried]

Problem with America is the wide spread believe that there is difference between who you vote for. There is no difference who you vote for. President is a puppet that executes agenda from above -- be it from NSA, CIA, or Free Masons and Illuminati; pick one you love better. You people get to vote so that you are kept down, while they f'ck you for another 4 more years. :rock: :kick:

I believed the prick Obama when he was running. I really thought there was a chance he would be different. What a dumbass I was wasn't I? He fooled alot of other people too. There will never be a President that is different. Voting is a waste of time.

 

[cuzza]

The Freemasons and the Illuminati, HA.

Priceless. Keep it coming lads.

 

[5string]

Danger

My father was in the South Pacific as were others for the invasion of the Japanese mainland. He was a B29 pilot.

Japan may have been broken and severely damaged, but do you think for one second that they would have tossed in the towel had not the bombs been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? No! The samurai mentality was alive and well. More would have been killed without question. Maybe even my father and thousands of others.

Email me sometime and I'll send you my fathers pics he took within 24 hours of the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Even have pics of the American fleet in Tokyo Bay when Japan surrendered to the Allies on the USS Missouri.


A little piece of history. When the Allies firebombed Tokyo, Nagoya and other cities with newely developed napalm, many more Japanese were killed in those raids than those who died from the use of Fat Man and Little boy.

Love you brother.

 

[LiveFreeX]

My grandfather lost 3 brothers in WW2. Every once in awhile when he came over for dinner he would get a bit liquored up and cry that he had killed young men no different than he was. 16 yearold's with guns fighting other kids. He met some of them later on in life and they held no resentment towards each other at all, more like respect and empathy. Soldiers on both sides ,who got to go home, generally grew up to be quiet, young men with families. They had a bit of respect for life and other human beings in general... something politicians have no idea about.

Governments fight governments and the little people die for them. Time forgets. Now we have Asians/Europeans and Americans mixing blood. The best thing Americans can do to influence other nations is go over, fvck their women and sire mudblood sons and daughters.

I really believe the next war will be fought with people/things from other planets, until we figure out how to fvck them.

 

[5string]

Point is, Japan would never have given up if the A bombs had not been dropped. Absent of that, the allies would have had to invade Japan to obtain a surrender probably costing thousands if not hundreds of thousands of allied lives.

That's the reality. Should we have just left, let them rebuild their military and do it all over again? I don't think so. They had to be crushed.

 

[5string]

Not only was Japan definitely not beaten, but in fact they were preparing for what they planned to be the bloodiest campaign of the entire Pacific War. The Japanese understood the American public’s distaste for high casualties, and were determined to kill as many Americans as they could to wear down the US and hope that public opinion would force an armistice that was favorable to the Japanese.

That’s why the United States had no choice but to drop the atomic bombs.

And not only were the Japanese definitely not beaten, but in fact the war in the Pacific was getting much more furious as US forces moved closer to the Japanese home islands. More and more Americans were dying, and the Japanese were fighting more and more furiously the closer the Americans got to Japan. If you look at the battles in the Pacific War, American casualties actually increased exponentially the closer U.S. military forces got to the Japanese home islands. Hundreds of thousands of U.S. soldiers were potentially about to die in a world war that the Japanese had started, and if that alone isn’t an imminent threat that justifies the use of chemical or nuclear weapons than I don’t know what possibly could.

Not only was WWII a struggle for survival for all the nations of the world, but it was probably the best example of a massive global fight to the finish in all of history.

Absolute truth. +1

 

[5string]

Bradd and Danger

Read Fly Boys by James Bradley. It will explain the samurai mentality and the brutality of the Japanese during WW2.

You won't be able to put it down.

 

[5string]

Bradd

I get it regarding tactics. Interesting and would rep again if I could. Read the book I suggested, I beg you.

My point is one of mentality. These guys would willingly die for their empire no matter how dire the situation. This is desperation at it's best. Flying you and your plane to certain death to inflict damage upon the enemy is a last resort.

Fly Boys is a true story where American fighter pilots were captured near the Chichi Jima Islands. Only George H W Busch was rescued by an American submarine. The rest of the pilots were captured and tortured. A photo of one pilot, blindfolded and kneeling had a Japanese soldier behind him with a sword, about to be beheaded, made the cover of Life Magazine. He lost his life. Other pilots had their livers removed and eaten at sake parties so as to consume the lifeblood of their enemies and make them more powerful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyboys:_A_True_Story_of_Courage

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/flyboys-james-bradley/1101997687?ean=9780316159432

 

[Fatal Jay]

American was built on lies. That's why this nation will be brought down. The lies in the history books etc.

 

[LiveFreeX]

What is really a shame is the sheer amount of Japanese pvssy that was gone in the blast... could have made good war brides for 100's of thousands of vets maimed in the war.

 

[Atom Smasher]

When we discuss the concept of "imminent threat", we must also be aware of the wartime concepts of momentum, and the fact that many Asian countries conceive war in terms of centuries, unlike America which conceives of war in terms of months or years.

Given the fact that we were engaged in a certain momentum with resources allocated at great expense, combined with the known propensity for Japan to conceive of war as lasting centuries, I think it was absolutely necessary to drop the bombs.

Of course there existed a punitive aspect to the decision, but those who understand war understand that Japan could have easily cost us another half million lives, finally surrendered, then over the course of the next century rebuilt and re-armed. There would be a score to settle, and the fact that 100 years had passed would have been insignificant to them. That passage of time would have only served to soften us and make us complacent and therefore vulnerable.

Warfare is about crushing your enemy so viciously that they don't even have a shred of a chance of recovery. That is called guaranteeing our survival.

We failed to do this with Germany. Now they are quietly manufacturing vast amounts of military hardware and selling it to other countries. They have a completely deployed infrastructure for rapidly rearming to an alarming degree. Great Britain, who has been watching this idiot Obama turn America' back on their staunchest ally with both actions and insults, has been pressuring Germany to rearm and extend its reach via air and sea. The U.S. has also been pressuring Germany to do the same.

In Great Britain's and America's ignorance, they think that WWII is actually over. It's not... we're simply enjoying a temporary cease-fire. In their ignorance, they think that 60 years of cease-fire means the smoldering embers have died out, when in fact the fire is poised to burn again.

Germany will rise again (militarily), because we did not fully crush them back in the 40s. Japan will not rise again because we completely brought them to their knees to the point of near-annihilation and the infusion of our culture into theirs.

When we consider "imminent threat", we need to expand our awareness beyond a few years and consider the next 3 centuries. That's what Asia and some parts of Europe do.

+1 for the A-bomb. The times and the context demanded it.

 

[Watawata]

The government did(after provocation of course)

What provocation? Im not disagreing, Im actually curious cause I havent heard about it.

 

[Married Buried]

Hillary Clinton Leads In Iowa 2016 Poll

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/24/hillary-clinton-iowa-2016-poll_n_3332716.html

You just know she is going to win.

 

[AAAgent]

There's one thing Danger's good at, and that's being a Danger to our health. This guy will ignore everything you say and send you on never ending "debates" (if you can call them that) where he listens to nothing that you say that disproves him and continues on his tangents. Eventually if you keep following his circles of pointless talk enough, you will tire yourself out. This is the type of guy you send to torture your worst enemies (evil version of the energizer bunny that just keeps going and going on pointless blind conversation). He will frustrate them to death.

Props to you Brad for trying to talk some sense into this guy but many of us have tried before. Best leave the crazies alone and ignore them if possible.

 

[AAAgent]

Danger's point is hardly the point of a crazy person and he defended it well. This is just a debate between the high school version of history and revisionism. I think plenty of evidence on both sides was presented.

if you say so.

I agree with brad that Japan may have lost the war but they were far from defeated. If they were not crushed by the atomic bomb, they would have re-established production, supplies, and then regrouped for round 2. I'm pretty sure you would not want to fight a foreign enemy in foreign territory for longer than you have to. Same thing with Germany. Germany was crushed in WW1 and rebuilt and regrouped and came back in WW2 stronger and more experienced. Japan was not willing to admit total defeat and ordered all of their troops not to surrender and fight the enemy until death. The majority of the Japanese troops would have done that as well throughout all of Asia. That means, hundreds to thousands of more troops would have died trying to conquer Japan and all of it's occupied territories to end the war.

As for Russia defeating Japan. Where the h3ck did that come from? If anything, Japan somewhat defeated themselves by not conquering China in the allotted time it provided for itself (Japan stated it could conquer China in 3 months but after 5 years, that still did not happen). The Chinese drew out the war in China for so long that the Japanese lost too many troops, supplies and weren't able to recuperate any supplies from the conquered territories in China because of scorched earth tactics. With the help of the US and other allied forces in the pacific (majority not Russian), they leapfrogged their way into Japans front door and Japan didn't have enough well supplied troops to continue the war. Asia mostly fended for itself manpower wise until the US came to help with their Navy power. China pretty much defended itself while having it's entire country r@ped. There had very little troops assist them but did receive supplies from the allies.


The A-Bomb was dropped to save the lives of all the potential troops that would have died if they were to try and conquer Japan by land and air. Leaving Japan alone was not an option and they either had to be invaded or bombed. Bombing saved many more lives. Russia had miniscule involvement in the pacific war as it was mainly fought by the Chinese, the countries of the region, and the Americans.

After the war was essentially over, every allied nation and their parents started rushing towards Japanese occupied territorys and outposts trying to claim the land as their. That's about the extent of Russia's fighting contribution in the Pacific.

 

[AAAgent]

Danger's point is hardly the point of a crazy person and he defended it well. This is just a debate between the high school version of history and revisionism. I think plenty of evidence on both sides was presented.

@PPRF

Also, Danger likes to present one sided evidence that doesn't encompass the big picture and when you provide the other side....he tends to ignore and continue on his rampant posts.

Just take a look at what he wrote to me. He's butthurt but that's understandable. When babies don't get their way, they cry cry and cry some more (and negative rep you). Shouldn't pay any attention to someone that isn't even done sucking his mama's t!ts.

 

[Atom Smasher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopNYJLCZ5o

 

[AAAgent]

lol and around and around we go!



You will not let me point out all of the mistakes that you have made in coming to your conclusion? Um, ok.

Ditto my brother!