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samspade said:
I have lived through seven presidents now, and my life has changed very little as a result of any one of them coming or going. The same goes for congressional majorities and Supreme Court appointees. Most changes in my life happen because I make them happen, or as a result of more immediate influences: Family, employment, local events, etc. The president lives hundreds of miles away, signs bills into laws, and deals with bureaucrats. None of the issues you listed has affected me directly, not once. I am not a welfare leech, a single mother, an illegal immigrant, or a bad credit holder. My "rights" are not derived from the constitution. And the president thus far has failed to crack down on my masculinity. My only relationship with government is to pay as little tax as legally allowed. So yes I'll allow that that affects me, but it's still my choice, as I would rather not go to jail for evasion.

If you're wrapped up in who's president, what he's doing, and how much you love or hate him, then yes, he "IS" your life. Most people don't realize how free they are from government. The question is, have YOU permitted the president to affect you? If so, why?
Maybe your life didn't or maybe you don't notice it, but a lot of people lost their jobs (NAFTA, free trade), livelihoods, futures, even lives due to decisions by administrations. Just since the 90's we lost free speech to political correctness and even more to feminism with Acts like violence against women act. Mass immigration/invasion since the 90's by foreigners is making life congested, more competitive and unpleasant.

I was affected by a lot laws that administrations did before I was even born and of course after.

Everyone is very affected by what the Federal government has done and does. The government has its hands into every facet of life-commerce, employment, education, money and credit, media, relationships etc. Just about everything Americans can do or not do is at least indirectly influenced if not controlled by the government.

The Clinton administration kicked feminism into warp drive. I could only imagine what a Hilliary Clinton Presidency would do.
 

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samspade said:
"Chemical weapons!"

Really all weapons are chemical. What do people think gunpowder is, magic?
Now that I have thought about it, Obama retreated from attacking Syria. He said he is going to leave it to Congress. Maybe he IS better than Bush.
 

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Bush went to Congress too. The fact that people were wondering whether Obama would even bother is because he bombed Libya without approval. Presidents get progressively worse to meet the demands of an evil agenda.
I think Obama is weary because the British parliament is not supporting it. But who am I kidding? All the presidents are the same, and Israel wants him to attack, and they run the foreign policy.
 

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Assad killed its own people. With sarin gas. And if no one does anything, the conflict will probably last much more and cause much more deaths. Obama is doing the right thing, and I cant wait to see Assad geting what he deserves.
 

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Watawata said:
Assad killed its own people. With sarin gas. And if no one does anything, the conflict will probably last much more and cause much more deaths. Obama is doing the right thing, and I cant wait to see Assad geting what he deserves.
What a crock of ****. The Syrian government isn't going to risk a US war over the death of 1300 citizens with chemical weapons. It's complete bull**** to what is really happening. Assad and his guys are the good ones.

Do you still believe we invaded Iraq for WMD's too?

What evidence do you have to support your claim Assad used the chemical weapons?

Also, USA and Israel has been using white phosphorus (a chemical weapon) extensively against people recently. Death by white phospherous is much worse than death by sarin. Where is your outrage?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_use_in_Iraq
 

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Yep we are Israel's *****. Here's another 3 billion in military aid, no strings attached. Israel wants us to stfu and keep writing checks and we will do as ordered.
 

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WTF Assad is the good one? And so was Mubarak, kadafi, maybe even Mussolini and Hitler? His people dont have any freedom. Thay live ina a dictatorship. Please tell me one good dictator? And dont come with that **** about how its the same in USA just undercover, cause I live in Europe.
 

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However, I didnt knew about that white phosphorus stuff. But saying that Assad is the good one is imo not true at all. Besides, correct me if Im wrong but that chemica lstuff was when Bush was the president? And Obama said there wont be trops on the ground involved.

Both sides more than probably have parallel interests in a specific outcome, but it there would be more chances of Syria becoming a democratic country if the rebels won, dont you think?
 

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Watawata said:
However, I didnt knew about that white phosphorus stuff. But saying that Assad is the good one is imo not true at all. Besides, correct me if Im wrong but that chemica lstuff was when Bush was the president? And Obama said there wont be trops on the ground involved.

Both sides more than probably have parallel interests in a specific outcome, but it there would be more chances of Syria becoming a democratic country if the rebels won, dont you think?

Please explain how the USA getting involved will help anything? The USA is claiming that Assad was responsible for the chemical attack, despite the fact there is hardly any evidence to support that. Why would Assad use chemical weapons? He had nothing to gain by it especially considering he is already winning the civil war. It's amazing how Americans believe whatever propaganda is on the TV after already being lied into a war 10 years ago.

Why do you think the Europeans won't get involved? There is evidence Assad had nothing to do with the chemical attack:

LiveLeak.com - Syrian rebels take responsibility for the chemical attack admitting the weapons were provided by Saudis

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0fe_1377893476

Looks more to me like the rebels did the chemical attack. And here you are wanting to help them. The rebels are Al Queda, worse than Assads regime. That's why he is bombing them, they are Al Queda.
 

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US is making some big mistakes here and can you blame them really? Obama is a self proclaimed feminist supporting half faggot. The US is pretty much dominated by liberal leaning nut job dems out to ruin and sully the good name of anything traditional that steps in their way.

Can anyone side with Americans anymore? Gay marriage, Gay TV, feminist women, de-masculization of the american male, sh1te economy, rampant political correctness. People are more concerned with two fags being able to legally bump their d1cks together than a government who is reading their emails and text messages. Where the hell is the healthcare Osama promised everyone? Where is the economy he promised to support? Where is all the change in the end? No forget about that, lets go throw money at a religious war which has absolutely nothing to do with the USA or Christian values. America is going to fight and support a people which absolutely hate them with every fiber of their being. Its like regular straight men supporting gays/lesbians and feminists.

Then you have two countries who radically oppose gay's, gay marriage and sexual freedoms with hyped economies and tough as nails men in leadership positions with huge amounts of available military hardware and a combined military force of 800,000,000 soldiers...working together to oppose western femicunt values, what could possibly go wrong???

I think you will likely see an American civil war before you see a World War.
If gays and women want equal rights, send them to the front lines FIRST.
 

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LiveFreeX said:
US is making some big mistakes here and can you blame them really? Obama is a self proclaimed feminist supporting half faggot. The US is pretty much dominated by liberal leaning nut job dems out to ruin and sully the good name of anything traditional that steps in their way.

Can anyone side with Americans anymore? Gay marriage, Gay TV, feminist women, de-masculization of the american male, sh1te economy, rampant political correctness. People are more concerned with two fags being able to legally bump their d1cks together than a government who is reading their emails and text messages. Where the hell is the healthcare Osama promised everyone? Where is the economy he promised to support? Where is all the change in the end? No forget about that, lets go throw money at a religious war which has absolutely nothing to do with the USA or Christian values. America is going to fight and support a people which absolutely hate them with every fiber of their being. Its like regular straight men supporting gays/lesbians and feminists.

Then you have two countries who radically oppose gay's, gay marriage and sexual freedoms with hyped economies and tough as nails men in leadership positions with huge amounts of available military hardware and a combined military force of 800,000,000 soldiers...working together to oppose western femicunt values, what could possibly go wrong???

I think you will likely see an American civil war before you see a World War.
If gays and women want equal rights, send them to the front lines FIRST.

80 percent of Americans are opposed to another war for the sake of Israel. Whatever politician votes for this can kiss their ass goodbye. Obama and his cronies know exactly what they are doing. There are no "mistakes". They just need to find the right lies to get the public to support it, but Americans have wised up on these phony wars.
 

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I am against attacking Syria.

Want to do something meaningful? Take out Iran's nuclear facilities and get it over with. Of course we can't afford to do that anyway as we're broke (17 trillion in debt).

Better yet. Let some other country do it rather than the US for once.
 

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Danger said:
....and still the MSM and the blind followers support it.
To be fair....the blind Republicans followed Bush back in the day too. I have no clue who is right anymore.

Personally, I keep my moral compass pointed straight ahead, and that means valuing life, protecting Christians and helping Israel (God's chosen people). Obama hasn't done the first or second one (at least not intelligently), Egypt is a good example, and the basis for this thread. If he goes after Assad he will be abandoning #3 too.
 

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Please explain how the USA getting involved will help anything? The USA is claiming that Assad was responsible for the chemical attack, despite the fact there is hardly any evidence to support that. Why would Assad use chemical weapons? He had nothing to gain by it especially considering he is already winning the civil war. It's amazing how Americans believe whatever propaganda is on the TV after already being lied into a war 10 years ago.

Why do you think the Europeans won't get involved? There is evidence Assad had nothing to do with the chemical attack:

LiveLeak.com - Syrian rebels take responsibility for the chemical attack admitting the weapons were provided by Saudis

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0fe_1377893476

Looks more to me like the rebels did the chemical attack. And here you are wanting to help them. The rebels are Al Queda, worse than Assads regime. That's why he is bombing them, they are Al Queda.
German Intelligence disagrees:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-intelligence-contributes-to-fact-finding-on-syria-gas-attack-a-920123.html

and it seems like it wasnt the first bombing neither. Oh but of course, the dictactor who bombs his people, including childs, and in whose lands the word freedom is unkown, is, of course, inocent. Its a global conspiracy by France USA and Germany!!!!

Also im not American, as I stated in my previous post.
 

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speed dawg said:
To be fair....the blind Republicans followed Bush back in the day too. I have no clue who is right anymore.

Personally, I keep my moral compass pointed straight ahead, and that means valuing life, protecting Christians and helping Israel (God's chosen people). Obama hasn't done the first or second one (at least not intelligently), Egypt is a good example, and the basis for this thread. If he goes after Assad he will be abandoning #3 too.
What are you talking about? Israel are the one's pushing him to attack the hardest.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/03/aipac-in-full-court-press-on-syria.html

Sorry but this proves you know nothing about Israel. Best to stop mentioning it.
 

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10 Chemical Weapons Attacks Washington Doesn’t Want You to Talk About

1. The U.S. Military Dumped 20 Million Gallons of Chemicals on Vietnam from 1962 – 1971

Via: AP

During the Vietnam War, the U.S. military sprayed 20 million gallons of chemicals, including the very toxic Agent Orange, on the forests and farmlands of Vietnam and neighboring countries, deliberately destroying food supplies, shattering the jungle ecology, and ravaging the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Vietnam estimates that as a result of the decade-long chemical attack, 400,000 people were killed or maimed, 500,000 babies have been born with birth defects, and 2 million have suffered from cancer or other illnesses. In 2012, the Red Cross estimated that one million people in Vietnam have disabilities or health problems related to Agent Orange.

2. Israel Attacked Palestinian Civilians with White Phosphorus in 2008 – 2009



White phosphorus is a horrific incendiary chemical weapon that melts human flesh right down to the bone.

In 2009, multiple human rights groups, including Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and International Red Cross reported that the Israeli government was attacking civilians in their own country with chemical weapons. An Amnesty International team claimed to find “indisputable evidence of the widespread use of white phosphorus” as a weapon in densely-populated civilian areas. The Israeli military denied the allegations at first, but eventually admitted they were true.

After the string of allegations by these NGOs, the Israeli military even hit a UN headquarters(!) in Gaza with a chemical attack. How do you think all this evidence compares to the case against Syria? Why didn’t Obama try to bomb Israel?

3. Washington Attacked Iraqi Civilians with White Phosphorus in 2004



In 2004, journalists embedded with the U.S. military in Iraq began reporting the use of white phosphorus in Fallujah against Iraqi insurgents. First the military lied and said that it was only using white phosphorus to create smokescreens or illuminate targets. Then it admitted to using the volatile chemical as an incendiary weapon. At the time, Italian television broadcaster RAI aired a documentary entitled, “Fallujah, The Hidden Massacre,” including grim video footage and photographs, as well as eyewitness interviews with Fallujah residents and U.S. soldiers revealing how the U.S. government indiscriminately rained white chemical fire down on the Iraqi city and melted women and children to death.

4. The CIA Helped Saddam Hussein Massacre Iranians and Kurds with Chemical Weapons in 1988
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CIA records now prove that Washington knew Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons (including sarin, nerve gas, and mustard gas) in the Iran-Iraq War, yet continued to pour intelligence into the hands of the Iraqi military, informing Hussein of Iranian troop movements while knowing that he would be using the information to launch chemical attacks. At one point in early 1988, Washington warned Hussein of an Iranian troop movement that would have ended the war in a decisive defeat for the Iraqi government. By March an emboldened Hussein with new friends in Washington struck a Kurdish village occupied by Iranian troops with multiple chemical agents, killing as many as 5,000 people and injuring as many as 10,000 more, most of them civilians. Thousands more died in the following years from complications, diseases, and birth defects.

5. The Army Tested Chemicals on Residents of Poor, Black St. Louis Neighborhoods in The 1950s



In the early 1950s, the Army set up motorized blowers on top of residential high-rises in low-income, mostly black St. Louis neighborhoods, including areas where as much as 70% of the residents were children under 12. The government told residents that it was experimenting with a smokescreen to protect the city from Russian attacks, but it was actually pumping the air full of hundreds of pounds of finely powdered zinc cadmium sulfide. The government admits that there was a second ingredient in the chemical powder, but whether or not that ingredient was radioactive remains classified. Of course it does. Since the tests, an alarming number of the area’s residents have developed cancer. In 1955, Doris Spates was born in one of the buildings the Army used to fill the air with chemicals from 1953 – 1954. Her father died inexplicably that same year, she has seen four siblings die from cancer, and Doris herself is a survivor of cervical cancer.

6. Police Fired Tear Gas at Occupy Protesters in 2011


The savage violence of the police against Occupy protesters in 2011 was well documented, and included the use of tear gas and other chemical irritants. Tear gas is prohibited for use against enemy soldiers in battle by the Chemical Weapons Convention. Can’t police give civilian protesters in Oakland, California the same courtesy and protection that international law requires for enemy soldiers on a battlefield?

7. The FBI Attacked Men, Women, and Children With Tear Gas in Waco in 1993



At the infamous Waco siege of a peaceful community of Seventh Day Adventists, the FBI pumped tear gas into buildings knowing that women, children, and babies were inside. The tear gas was highly flammable and ignited, engulfing the buildings in flames and killing 49 men and women, and 27 children, including babies and toddlers. Remember, attacking an armed enemy soldier on a battlefield with tear gas is a war crime. What kind of crime is attacking a baby with tear gas?

8. The U.S. Military Littered Iraq with Toxic Depleted Uranium in 2003

In Iraq, the U.S. military has littered the environment with thousands of tons of munitions made from depleted uranium, a toxic and radioactive nuclear waste product. As a result, more than half of babies born in Fallujah from 2007 – 2010 were born with birth defects. Some of these defects have never been seen before outside of textbooks with photos of babies born near nuclear tests in the Pacific. Cancer and infant mortality have also seen a dramatic rise in Iraq. According to Christopher Busby, the Scientific Secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk, “These are weapons which have absolutely destroyed the genetic integrity of the population of Iraq.” After authoring two of four reports published in 2012 on the health crisis in Iraq, Busby described Fallujah as having, “the highest rate of genetic damage in any population ever studied.”

9. The U.S. Military Killed Hundreds of Thousands of Japanese Civilians with Napalm from 1944 – 1945


Napalm is a sticky and highly flammable gel which has been used as a weapon of terror by the U.S. military. In 1980, the UN declared the use of napalm on swaths of civilian population a war crime. That’s exactly what the U.S. military did in World War II, dropping enough napalm in one bombing raid on Tokyo to burn 100,000 people to death, injure a million more, and leave a million without homes in the single deadliest air raid of World War II.

10. The U.S. Government Dropped Nuclear Bombs on Two Japanese Cities in 1945


Although nuclear bombs may not be considered chemical weapons, I believe we can agree they belong to the same category. They certainly disperse an awful lot of deadly radioactive chemicals. They are every bit as horrifying as chemical weapons if not more, and by their very nature, suitable for only one purpose: wiping out an entire city full of civilians. It seems odd that the only regime to ever use one of these weapons of terror on other human beings has busied itself with the pretense of keeping the world safe from dangerous weapons in the hands of dangerous governments.

http://www.infowars.com/10-chemical-weapons-attacks-washington-doesnt-want-you-to-talk-about/
 

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It seems like the only of those atacks that was under Obamas administration was the tear gas one. And tear gas, that I know, is very diferent from sarin gas.
 

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No offence to anyone in particular but half of the problems of this world comes directly from the ignorance and sloth of the average american citizen, even worse for those who are informed and do nothing.

American elites are dragging this world in a world war while the average american citizen is either to ignorant to understand whats going on or too lazy to do something about.

China a dictatorship? maybe...but I dont recall any of them igniting conflicts and bullying around the same way as a fat kid robbing the other kids of their lunch saying it was "for their own good".

Russia a dangerous nation? still cant recall any of them trying to bully or interfer through economic aggression or covert ops on sovereign states in such large amount and so far from their sector.

Again Im not bashing any of you in particular what I mean is that a limited number of people in position of command is virtually doing whatever it want while the majority of the population either dont understand, is too lazy to do something or thinks there is a gain coming for them.

Dont get me wrong we have a hugh amount of morons in Europe but still not that quality and quantity as the states when it comes of such things.
 

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Social_Leper said:
But if you genuinely do believe that the US should conduct foreign policy based on some Zionist beliefs about Israel
Absolutely serious.

But I did not say we should just blindly do as they say.
 

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Ha if the Jews are God's chosen people he's got a funny way of showing it, i.e. 1933 - 1945, the pogroms of USSR after, etc etc. And it's not like they brought about Israel by any of their own doing, Israel only got its start thanks to the benevolence(?) of the British. Speaking of which, it's because of the meddling of the British empire that the middle east is such a mess today, Syria's borders were created by them.
 

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