Gaming with Herpes=Game Over? (request for mature perspectives and advice)

[visions]

it's unfortunate your first post attracted the attention of idiots. trouble makers and lower iq posters tend to drive the more serious, and intelligent posters away. hopefully you'll stick around.

you're in a tough predicament. there's really only two ways to it-and you already described them.

if i were in your shoes looking for short-term pvssy, i would end up not mentioning my situation unless an ltr was in the picture. in addition,
i would take every precaution as possible to avoid passing it on,
such as always wearing a condom, leaving some pubic hair as a shield, and
avoiding sex when you think an outbreak is coming or immediately after having one.

one way to let your prospective partners know you have it is to seek similar females, such as going to a designated meet up. this should provide a large enough pool of females

 

[twentee]

I think that you need to be shot, for endangering other people like that, knowingly.

 

[Down Low]

Careful, Down Low, you're going to be unpopular with the PUA crowd talking like that. The Community, for the most part, tends to believe that the threat of STDs is vastly exaggerated. In fact, I'm surprised you haven't been accused of "feminine shaming" for bringing up the possibility that one could be contracted, and especially for inferring that there is any downside at all to promiscuity.

Apparently so. The post wasn't deleted for warning DJs to heed every red flag. However, the mods never used to have any trouble with me warning about how modern medicine struggles mightily, sometimes in vain, to clear up supposedly curable yeast infections and bacterial vaginosis.

Really, guys. "It's curable" and "everybody has it" are tissue-thin excuses for sociopathic behavior that civilized men must never tolerate. The sociopathy should be banished -- not hatred of sociopathy.

 

[disgustipated]

Big ups to Collosus for always coming through with rational input. Wish there were more like him. Good on ya mate!

 

[Bible_Belt]

I think that you need to be shot, for endangering other people like that, knowingly.

The odds are that you carry the same virus he's talking about. The majority of people do.

 

[tryst type]

I'm currently talking to a girl who has HSV-1 and says sometimes when she's sick she gets a sore on her lip.

I know I have it too since I was a kid (but has been dormant for a while)

My question to those who are more knowledgable on this, if she gives me head is there a chance i'll get outbreaks in the area if I know I already have the oral kind? And is it only contagious when there's an actual visible sore only?

 

[Boilermaker]

Big ups to Collosus for always coming through with rational input. Wish there were more like him. Good on ya mate!

Well I hate to break it to some of you, but Collosus self admittedly has the disease himself.

That clearly doesn't make him the most rational guy on the issue,

I would be curious to see if he'd be "this rational" if he didn't have the same

condition he's trying to sugar-coat here.

PS : And last time I went out, I noticed that not everybody is walking around with a disgusting sore in their genitalia or up on their mouths.

you have the "virus" too, is too juvenile an effort to cover up the whole thing, when it's us, grown-ass men that are discussing the issue here.

At least be honest about it, and then go on about hard-selling it to us or to your significant others.

But this pretense, is unbearable, really.

 

[Bible_Belt]

last time I went out, I noticed that not everybody is walking around with a disgusting sore in their genitalia or up on their mouths.

That's because most of us have good strong immune systems that keep the virus in check. Outbreaks happen when the immune system gets overwhelmed. You might have the virus right now, but never have an outbreak. But if you caught an immune system disease like HIV, then you could be covered in sores from something you had always carried with no symptoms.

It's like staph. You have bacteria crawling on you right now that can kill other people, or even yourself, under the right circumstances. But with a healthy immune system, you'll never know it's there.

 

[Colossus]

Apparently so. The post wasn't deleted for warning DJs to heed every red flag. However, the mods never used to have any trouble with me warning about how modern medicine struggles mightily, sometimes in vain, to clear up supposedly curable yeast infections and bacterial vaginosis.

Really, guys. "It's curable" and "everybody has it" are tissue-thin excuses for sociopathic behavior that civilized men must never tolerate. The sociopathy should be banished -- not hatred of sociopathy.

Your post was deleted for directly insulting other members. I don't care about your opinion. Read the forum rules.

There is pretty good contingency of guys here who have nothing but caustic, inflammatory, insulting, and pious comments to make about others' problems. And no, it's not "tough love". They bring the forum down, and repel otherwise well-meaning members who are looking for help.

You guys know who you are. The rest of the forum knows who you are. Read the rules at the top of the forum. If you flame, insult, or harass other members, your post will be deleted. If you continue, you'll be banned. Don't like it? Go to another forum. You wont be missed.

 

[Boilermaker]

I see that Moderators are also human, and they have feelings, but it'd be nice if there was a rule for two moderators to delete posts or give infractions,
Then we'd know that moderators who are also actively posting and in the debates themselves, are not abusing their privileges. These privileges are also given to them through this site, by the very same rules that advocate freedom of speech and equality. They know who they are. But yeah, in general, I don't think you should be able to ban anyone just because they disagree with an opinion, in their own way. We are not LoveShack after all, and I don't see the same cavalier attitude from the Mods when a newbie is ripped apart for their loyalty to their "one-itis", for instance. Or if somebody disagrees with an MRM post, and immediately called a faggot. I have been called that many times for my opinions, but I am not a mod, so I can't lash out ultimatums unfortunately.

That's because most of us have good strong immune systems that keep the virus in check. Outbreaks happen when the immune system gets overwhelmed. You might have the virus right now, but never have an outbreak. But if you caught an immune system disease like HIV, then you could be covered in sores from something you had always carried with no symptoms.

It's like staph. You have bacteria crawling on you right now that can kill other people, or even yourself, under the right circumstances. But with a healthy immune system, you'll never know it's there.

You know I respect your intelligence and vast knowledge on these issues, but the point you're making is an entirely medical and technical one, you realize that right? "Infected" implies something technically different, I think. It means that for whatever the reasons are, the virus has infiltrated the human body and has means to replicate and reproduce through the bodies' resources. I don't know how that puts everyone who has come in contact with the virus and who are infected on the same footing. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Bible_Belt]

Thanks. The best definition we have right now of "infected" is that the antibodies to the virus can be detected in your blood. That means the virus got into the body, or else the antibodies would not be there. However, your immune system may have kicked its ass. Maybe you never got symptoms; maybe you never will. But the virus will always live in your body at very low levels - like Magic Johnson's HIV. Most people are living life with HSV and HPV and don't even realize it. HSV1 is typically acquired during childhood, like molluscum and pox viruses. Most of us are carrying around a lot of nasty stuff without even realizing it.

My point is not to condone poor decision-making. I just don't want anyone to feel like a leper because of a condition that is not that big of a deal.

 

[Slickster]

It's a virus that you KNOW you have. It doesn't matter if "most" people have it too, some don't!

No one WANTS it do they? Stigma or not. It doesn't matter whether the symptoms show up either.

If you are knowingly putting others at risk without being upfront, that is a sh!tty thing to do.

 

[zekko]

Or if somebody disagrees with an MRM post, and immediately called a faggot.

Good point. I've seen a lot of guys called faggot on here.

 

[Down Low]

Your post was deleted for directly insulting other members. I don't care about your opinion. Read the forum rules.

There is pretty good contingency of guys here who have nothing but caustic, inflammatory, insulting, and pious comments to make about others' problems. And no, it's not "tough love". They bring the forum down, and repel otherwise well-meaning members who are looking for help.

You guys know who you are. The rest of the forum knows who you are. Read the rules at the top of the forum. If you flame, insult, or harass other members, your post will be deleted. If you continue, you'll be banned. Don't like it? Go to another forum. You wont be missed.

Men who spent a lot of time working in the world of men, lived hard lives, and so forth, are pretty much a bunch of hardasses. You younger guys see us dominant males as ornery old farts, and you're going to chafe at it until you become old farts too. That's just the way it is.

 

[disgustipated]

Paint your reality any way you like, doesn't make it true.

 

[Slickster]

Such "flaming" would never occur if those who don't care about the MRM don't even bother posting in the thread to begin with.

Or the MRM posts weren't made in a forum dedicated to seduction.

I have no idea why the mods continually allow these forums to be filled with off topic material OR why the guys making these posts come here in the first place.

If you go to a forum dedicated to Mazda sports cars and spout off about how import autos suck and make posts about your Ford truck you are either being a troll, or your posts would get moved to the "Other" section.

I've said it before but if MRM guys are hell bent on coming to Sosuave you need your own forum to discuss this stuff. If there are enough people interested it would be a success and better for everyone.

Seduction/dating/relationship and MRM topics are like oil and water.

 

[Boilermaker]

Well, I for one called no MRM guy a 'faggot' or any other name for that matter, but I have been called that more than I can count.

The fact that I don't give a damn about some random guys' opinion doesn't change the fact that it's the MRM crowd who's overly bitter, defensive, and dogmatic in this forum.

Plus, you never answer Slick's original question.

Why not start another category for this specific type of discussion, what's the harm in that?

Of course it'll be hard to convince the over-zealous MRM people to take their discussion elsewhere, because it is THEY who are trying to make everything about the game, related to MRM.

I have been here long enough to remember how reasonable guys like Solomon were eventually brought out of patience and exiled.

Solomon's only fault was that he wasn't happy that his pet-forum that's been about women for the past decade was overrun by some propaganda-ists who steamroll whoever stands in their way.

I see the same disgusting bullying attitude in your latest post (Who's causing more problems ... tell me who?) ... like it makes your case any stronger when you ask that senseless rhetorical question ...

If you guys can't start an MRM section, just like we have "Body and Fitness" or "anything else" , you are the immature crowd here.

Honestly, Danger, I applaud your ability to be entitled to be "right" in the every single debate you are being part of.

Have you ever been wrong in your life?

 

[Boilermaker]

Mods.
...

Wow, Danger! Now, you are reduced to summoning Mods, instead of answering real questions...

I am amazed.

I don't think "bitter, overly defensive, and dogmatic" would be considered insults, in any court of law. They are my opinions based on experience and I can back them up with specific posts in mind. Plus, I wasn't naming any particular individual anyway, so I never called you a name, but you make it sound like you would want me to insult you, so that you can make a scene? Please, correct me if I am wrong.

When I asked you whether you were ever wrong in my life, I was really asking a question.

Upon observing you, and giving you the benefit of the doubt over the years, I have never seen you apologize or even take a slight compromise from your points, not even once, even when you were clearly in the wrong, like waving the Gun Right's flag upon the eve of Newtown massacre.

Now I don't have that patience, and you are still not answering the real question. Why do MRM posts have to be here and here only in MM?

I have been called a faggot so many times (like many others) and I don't feel like entertaining every one of your requests, I don't have the time, or the

interest. You can start by searching the word "faggot" and see in which threads it shows up the most.


In fact, by trying to call the "teachers", you are proving my point, not yours, I am always ready for a civil debate, as to WHY MRM has to be here and nowhere else.

But I know that you won't take the question head on, so I won't bother.

It's just amusing to see that you are avoiding the issue and calling the mods, and then you tell me I should put up or shut up and answer the real question.

I have nothing further.

 

[Boilermaker]

Danger is usually right. If he's wrong its only because he overlooked a fact of some kind, not because his logic was flawed. And he will incorporate that fact into his argument. He would be a good lawyer.

Anyway, Boilermaker you're forgetting that while this site is about "women" as you say, you're ignoring what that really means. 1/3 of that is pickup/relationship advice(outer game). You seem to think that is all of it
you ignore the other parts. 1/3 is about "inner game" which is part of game but not REALLY related to women(which you soon find out). Another 1/3, which is connected to both inner and outer game, is DEPEDESTALIZATION OF WOMEN. You cannot perform for women of you do not understand women and you will not learn inner game as long as you think women are some superior magical creature. MRM is a part of this third and cannot be cut out from it. It exposes the flaws of women and the folly of social, personal, and religious pedestalization. Depedestalization of women is vital to both inner and outer game and that's why it has taken on a life of its own.

Let me demonstrate my own path to something resembling mrm upon coming here:
1. Came from Christian background of male shaming(still a Christian but the implications towards women were incorrectly taught).
2. I was wondering why this girl was making me jealous and spinning plates and what I could do about it(outer game)
3. Was told"she's bad so just get rid of her".(depedestalization only of the individual NOT the whole sex).
4. To someone without inner or outer game, this is not convincing. Do all women do this? If so, then maybe I should stick with it.
5. Soon learned that almost all women today do things like this so stuck w/ the girl(THIS IS AS FAR AS OUTER GAME WILL TAKE YOU-MISSION FAILED).
6. Learned about WHY almost all women do this and that it does not have to be like this (MRM).
7. Learned about WHY I had women on pedestal and allowed myself to be victimized (MRM).
8. Got angry.
9. Learned self-respect(inner game).
10. Dropped girl, spin plates

So you're claiming that MRM is an integral part of our education and cannot be taken out of our syllabus.

Fair enough. If that's the argument, we can discuss that. This is at least something we can debate.

Usually I can't even get the MRM crowd to make a definitive claim like this:

"We need MRM here, and nowhere else"

It's usually calling me a faggot or calling the mods.

(See my debate with Danger).

 

[zekko]

I agree that seduction and MRM are closely related subjects. I don't see why anyone would want to enter the dating world without understanding all the advantages females have in the current culture.

1. Came from Christian background of male shaming(still a Christian but the implications towards women were incorrectly taught).
2. I was wondering why this girl was making me jealous and spinning plates and what I could do about it(outer game)
3. Was told"she's bad so just get rid of her".(depedestalization only of the individual NOT the whole sex).
4. To someone without inner or outer game, this is not convincing. Do all women do this? If so, then maybe I should stick with it.
5. Soon learned that almost all women today do things like this so stuck w/ the girl(THIS IS AS FAR AS OUTER GAME WILL TAKE YOU-MISSION FAILED).
6. Learned about WHY almost all women do this and that it does not have to be like this (MRM).
7. Learned about WHY I had women on pedestal and allowed myself to be victimized (MRM).
8. Got angry.
9. Learned self-respect(inner game).
10. Dropped girl, spin plates

Flush, I'm a little confused about this progression you posted. It appears that in the end, all you did was become the girl (the plate spinner). And if all nearly all girls spin plates, what was the point of you dropping the girl, if all you are going to do is add a bunch more plate-spinning girls to your rotation yourself? In other words, what did you gain specifically?

When I was a young guy, I had a similar experience, except it just consisted of #2, really:
"2. I was wondering why this girl was making me jealous and spinning plates and what I could do about it(outer game)"

I decided right there that to compete with her, I had to spin plates myself (although we didn't call it plate spinning back then, we called it playing the field). She appeared to have greater value than I did, because she was in demand, she had a lot of guys wanting to date her. That's one of the benefits of spinning plates. But she was extremely hot, so she really had that value regardless, plates or no plates. Guys hit on her constantly, and always talked about how hot she was when she wasn't around.

Not all girls spun plates back then, but the main group of singles did date around casually. I tend to look at it more like that (dating casually) than "plate spinning", it just sounds more natural (as opposed to a PUA technique).