"Game" is all about validating women

[bigdave17]

And it would surprise you just how many men who HAVE the whole LMS thing act desperate and are afraid to approach/are afraid of rejection. Their deficit? GAME, aka being comfortable interacting with women they find attractive.



This is what Urbanyst's advice boils down to. If "Be Yourself" worked, nobody would be here...SS would not exist. How's "Be Yourself" working for the technology geeks in their Teslas with all the LMS in the world and the social calibration of a 6th grader? It isn't. How's "Be Yourself" working for @bigdave17 or @RichardTheFrog or anybody else who has recognized that "Be Yourself" isn't enough to compete for the women men want? I mean Dave, by his own account, has LMS in spades. Richard has sufficient looks, and he's working on making money, and he's got his own business, so his LMS is improving. But you have to be able to talk to other people. You have to be able to relate. Both these dudes struggle with women but do not have trouble in business environments or other areas. So that means there is some degree of improvement they need to undertake (I'm not picking on y'all, but you are both very forthcoming with your struggles and your efforts to improve in a social sense, which comes back to a self-belief sense, which has nothing at all to do with the material in the videos). Kudos to both of you. You are each making progress. If LMS was all that mattered there wouldn't be lonely attractive rich guys all over Silicon Valley. I know a multimillionaire who lives on Billionaire's Beach in Malibu, CA. He's got LMS, but he's kinda nerdy and awkward with women. The dog dude I talked about in another thread has mad LMS. He *thinks* he's smooth with chicks...except he isn't. So he's single.



But newsflash...SMV isn't a fixed quantity. It expands and contracts as someone gets to know you. I've seen people who APPEAR to have high SMV crash by acting desperate, acting needy, getting all "in love" after a first meet or a first date, or if a girl didn't respond soon enough, etc. That is what many of the posts on SS are all about.



Patently false. You can show too much interest, you can say the wrong thing, you can fail to read social cues, you can fail to escalate, you can escalate too agressively...and on and on ad nauseum. There are 1000 ways to screw it up EVEN IF THE WOMAN INITIALLY HAD HIGH INTEREST. This is where FRAME and GAME are important and closely related.

I don't date women. But I date men, and I am here to tell you, LMS is NOT the end all be all if you are creepy, socially inept, inappropriate or otherwise poorly calibrated. I've dated very good looking wealthy men who I liked at first who shot themselves out of the water with behavior that was a turn-off or a dealbreaker. Men who texted needy scroll down novellas, men who came right out and referred to me in public as their "future fiance'", men who got drunk and made racial slurs near a table full of people of the race they were slurring (I pulled that man aside privately and threatened to leave - then and there - if the behavior didn't cease immediately *it did*, and then I never went out with that man again.) The man who did that, by the way, was the retired pro hockey player who earns over 1M a month, and is funny, cool, and handsome (LMS out the wazoo)...but I dropped him after that incident. Cold.

You see women who are themselves high value are not going to tolerate idiot behavior, even from a man who has LMS or high SMV. She has plenty of other men to choose from who also have LMS and high SMV and so she isn't going to put up with dum b ass men who are embarassing.

A man's behavior can wreck his SMV irreversibly in a woman's eyes. GAME and FRAME help educate men to improve themselves not to make these sorts of mistakes when interacting with women.

Here's the absolute TRUTH:



Translation: In high value-land everyone has LMS. Let me say that again...Among HIGH VALUE people, EVERYONE has LMS. So GAME, aka personality and social skills and FRAME, aka how you exercise your leadership, boundaries and self-respect is what separates the more sought after from the less sought after. Period, end of story, mic drop.

this is the truth right here


only thing I hate about game is that we make it out to be some complicated rocket science. In reality, it's just common sense social skills. In your examples you mentioned, it was all men not exercising common sense

 

[RichardTheFrog]

And it would surprise you just how many men who HAVE the whole LMS thing act desperate and are afraid to approach/are afraid of rejection. Their deficit? GAME, aka being comfortable interacting with women they find attractive.



This is what Urbanyst's advice boils down to. If "Be Yourself" worked, nobody would be here...SS would not exist. How's "Be Yourself" working for the technology geeks in their Teslas with all the LMS in the world and the social calibration of a 6th grader? It isn't. How's "Be Yourself" working for @bigdave17 or @RichardTheFrog or anybody else who has recognized that "Be Yourself" isn't enough to compete for the women men want? I mean Dave, by his own account, has LMS in spades. Richard has sufficient looks, and he's working on making money, and he's got his own business, so his LMS is improving. But you have to be able to talk to other people. You have to be able to relate. Both these dudes struggle with women but do not have trouble in business environments or other areas. So that means there is some degree of improvement they need to undertake (I'm not picking on y'all, but you are both very forthcoming with your struggles and your efforts to improve in a social sense, which comes back to a self-belief sense, which has nothing at all to do with the material in the videos). Kudos to both of you. You are each making progress. If LMS was all that mattered there wouldn't be lonely attractive rich guys all over Silicon Valley. I know a multimillionaire who lives on Billionaire's Beach in Malibu, CA. He's got LMS, but he's kinda nerdy and awkward with women. The dog dude I talked about in another thread has mad LMS. He *thinks* he's smooth with chicks...except he isn't. So he's single.



But newsflash...SMV isn't a fixed quantity. It expands and contracts as someone gets to know you. I've seen people who APPEAR to have high SMV crash by acting desperate, acting needy, getting all "in love" after a first meet or a first date, or if a girl didn't respond soon enough, etc. That is what many of the posts on SS are all about.



Patently false. You can show too much interest, you can say the wrong thing, you can fail to read social cues, you can fail to escalate, you can escalate too agressively...and on and on ad nauseum. There are 1000 ways to screw it up EVEN IF THE WOMAN INITIALLY HAD HIGH INTEREST. This is where FRAME and GAME are important and closely related.

I don't date women. But I date men, and I am here to tell you, LMS is NOT the end all be all if you are creepy, socially inept, inappropriate or otherwise poorly calibrated. I've dated very good looking wealthy men who I liked at first who shot themselves out of the water with behavior that was a turn-off or a dealbreaker. Men who texted needy scroll down novellas, men who came right out and referred to me in public as their "future fiance'", men who got drunk and made racial slurs near a table full of people of the race they were slurring (I pulled that man aside privately and threatened to leave - then and there - if the behavior didn't cease immediately *it did*, and then I never went out with that man again.) The man who did that, by the way, was the retired pro hockey player who earns over 1M a month, and is funny, cool, and handsome (LMS out the wazoo)...but I dropped him after that incident. Cold.

You see women who are themselves high value are not going to tolerate idiot behavior, even from a man who has LMS or high SMV. She has plenty of other men to choose from who also have LMS and high SMV and so she isn't going to put up with dum b ass men who are embarassing.

A man's behavior can wreck his SMV irreversibly in a woman's eyes. GAME and FRAME help educate men to improve themselves not to make these sorts of mistakes when interacting with women.

Here's the absolute TRUTH:



Translation: In high value-land everyone has LMS. Let me say that again...Among HIGH VALUE people, EVERYONE has LMS. So GAME, aka personality and social skills and FRAME, aka how you exercise your leadership, boundaries and self-respect is what separates the more sought after from the less sought after. Period, end of story, mic drop.

I'm glad that you say I have the looks to succeed, but that's not what I'm hearing from other girls. As evidenced by the fact that I get exactly zero matches on dating apps.

And for business, on my Schedule C for 2017, I posted a loss of about $4200. I'll make a profit on the first house, but since I haven't sold it, all I did was deduct capital expenses (tools, etc.). When that number rises, hopefully my options will increase, but what's the difference between that and prostitution, anyway.

 

[Solomon]

I bet my paycheck this guy doesn't get laid.....another KBJ who is clueless. OP watch this

 

[Urbanyst]

Game is anything you do to pick up women that doesn't come naturally to you.

Basically if you had never discovered the red pill, nor PUA, nor ever gotten tips on getting girls, nor developed any tactics all on your own, but you just hopped out of bed in the morning, said the first 5 sentences that came to mind and seduced a girl.

Chances are this describes nobody here. This probably doesn't even describe most naturals. Everyone is running some kind of game

If you have any response in mind for **** tests, you're running game, if you look for IOIs to capitalize/escalate you're running game, if you test compliance or break down ASD/LMR you're running game (the natural response to her not wanting to **** is to say okay and leave, not to get through her defenses and change her mind anyway)

I disagree.

General social skills you learn over time to form your personality are not "game". Game is strictly the fraudulent games and tactics a man uses purposely to be more appealing to women.

 

[Urbanyst]

The weird implication that being hot is significantly more important than bedroom skills implies that you date girls only for the purposes of flexing on your social media friends/followers

So you would rather f*ck an ugly, homeless, FAT troll who never showers because she has good bedroom skills over a HOT model?

Don't make me laugh.

Everyone knows I'm right. Watching people squirm and desperately try to deny the truth is hilarious though.

Lol.

 

[Urbanyst]

And it would surprise you just how many men who HAVE the whole LMS thing act desperate and are afraid to approach/are afraid of rejection. Their deficit? GAME, aka being comfortable interacting with women they find attractive.



This is what Urbanyst's advice boils down to. If "Be Yourself" worked, nobody would be here...SS would not exist. How's "Be Yourself" working for the technology geeks in their Teslas with all the LMS in the world and the social calibration of a 6th grader? It isn't. How's "Be Yourself" working for @bigdave17 or @RichardTheFrog or anybody else who has recognized that "Be Yourself" isn't enough to compete for the women men want? I mean Dave, by his own account, has LMS in spades. Richard has sufficient looks, and he's working on making money, and he's got his own business, so his LMS is improving. But you have to be able to talk to other people. You have to be able to relate. Both these dudes struggle with women but do not have trouble in business environments or other areas. So that means there is some degree of improvement they need to undertake (I'm not picking on y'all, but you are both very forthcoming with your struggles and your efforts to improve in a social sense, which comes back to a self-belief sense, which has nothing at all to do with the material in the videos). Kudos to both of you. You are each making progress. If LMS was all that mattered there wouldn't be lonely attractive rich guys all over Silicon Valley. I know a multimillionaire who lives on Billionaire's Beach in Malibu, CA. He's got LMS, but he's kinda nerdy and awkward with women. The dog dude I talked about in another thread has mad LMS. He *thinks* he's smooth with chicks...except he isn't. So he's single.



But newsflash...SMV isn't a fixed quantity. It expands and contracts as someone gets to know you. I've seen people who APPEAR to have high SMV crash by acting desperate, acting needy, getting all "in love" after a first meet or a first date, or if a girl didn't respond soon enough, etc. That is what many of the posts on SS are all about.



Patently false. You can show too much interest, you can say the wrong thing, you can fail to read social cues, you can fail to escalate, you can escalate too agressively...and on and on ad nauseum. There are 1000 ways to screw it up EVEN IF THE WOMAN INITIALLY HAD HIGH INTEREST. This is where FRAME and GAME are important and closely related.

I don't date women. But I date men, and I am here to tell you, LMS is NOT the end all be all if you are creepy, socially inept, inappropriate or otherwise poorly calibrated. I've dated very good looking wealthy men who I liked at first who shot themselves out of the water with behavior that was a turn-off or a dealbreaker. Men who texted needy scroll down novellas, men who came right out and referred to me in public as their "future fiance'", men who got drunk and made racial slurs near a table full of people of the race they were slurring (I pulled that man aside privately and threatened to leave - then and there - if the behavior didn't cease immediately *it did*, and then I never went out with that man again.) The man who did that, by the way, was the retired pro hockey player who earns over 1M a month, and is funny, cool, and handsome (LMS out the wazoo)...but I dropped him after that incident. Cold.

You see women who are themselves high value are not going to tolerate idiot behavior, even from a man who has LMS or high SMV. She has plenty of other men to choose from who also have LMS and high SMV and so she isn't going to put up with dum b ass men who are embarassing.

A man's behavior can wreck his SMV irreversibly in a woman's eyes. GAME and FRAME help educate men to improve themselves not to make these sorts of mistakes when interacting with women.

Here's the absolute TRUTH:



Translation: In high value-land everyone has LMS. Let me say that again...Among HIGH VALUE people, EVERYONE has LMS. So GAME, aka personality and social skills and FRAME, aka how you exercise your leadership, boundaries and self-respect is what separates the more sought after from the less sought after. Period, end of story, mic drop.

Blue pill sh*t.

May I remind you that personality starts to matter more to women as they near THE WALL and need a relationship with more stability? Makes sense lol.

I have nothing much to say to you until you watch these videos and dispute them. Refusing to watch these videos means you have no interest in learning something new. Someone who isn't interested in learning something new is someone I have no interest in debating with.

Thanks.

 

[Urbanyst]

I bet my paycheck this guy doesn't get laid.....another KBJ who is clueless. OP watch this

Lol. You're delusional if you think that man is a virgin.

He gets laid.

I know of uglier men with NO GAME who get laid.

 

[Urbanyst]

My cousin "has game" never really been productive always trying to make a quick come up. He be part of the groups who does party. He's bedded alot of females on this non financial status. Some of them don't like him much after he came across them cause he used them. His game is he stays in his position and knows what these females wants to hear.

Fraudulent tactics can definitely get you laid.

Pretending you have higher LMS than you really do is the reason. Status can be faked pretty easily with bullsh*t lies you tell a woman.

The form of "game" people on this site are aggressively defending seems to be this. FAKING your level of status. I'll admit that definitely works. So if that's what people claim "game" is here.. then sure.. you can get laid that way. But it still comes down to LMS.

But faking your status is fraudulent and pathetic. So there are two types of people arguing with me:

1. The fraudulent and pathetic.
2. Those who deny LMS

Status is part of LMS. "Game" as an attempt to FAKE higher status is still utilizing LMS to get women lol.

 

[devilkingx2]

General social skills you learn over time to form your personality are not "game". Game is strictly the fraudulent games and tactics a man uses purposely to be more appealing to women.

So in that case, nobody here or anywhere I've seen uses game

So you would rather f*ck an ugly, homeless, FAT troll who never showers because she has good bedroom skills over a HOT model?

Don't make me laugh.

Everyone knows I'm right. Watching people squirm and desperately try to deny the truth is hilarious though.

Lol.

I turn that right back around on you, is fvcking a hot model is still just as great when she just lays there and barely does anything during sex because she thinks allowing you into her bed is enough? (or because guys like you decided that winning the genetic lottery was all she ever had to do so she never learned how to do much other than lay down spread eagle)?

Because if it were me, average body/face great bed skills trumps great face/body average bed skills

 

[devilkingx2]

men who got drunk and made racial slurs near a table full of people of the race they were slurring (I pulled that man aside privately and threatened to leave - then and there - if the behavior didn't cease immediately *it did*, and then I never went out with that man again.) The man who did that, by the way, was the retired pro hockey player who earns over 1M a month, and is funny, cool, and handsome (LMS out the wazoo)...but I dropped him after that incident. Cold.

So what I'm getting from this post is that wayne gretski is an azzhole

 

[Urbanyst]

So in that case, nobody here or anywhere I've seen uses game



I turn that right back around on you, is fvcking a hot model is still just as great when she just lays there and barely does anything during sex because she thinks allowing you into her bed is enough? (or because guys like you decided that winning the genetic lottery was all she ever had to do so she never learned how to do much other than lay down spread eagle)?

Because if it were me, average body/face great bed skills trumps great face/body average bed skills

I'll always take a HOT woman over any other type of woman.

The reason is biological. Sex always has the chance of reproduction. I don't want to risk reproduction with a woman of low genetic quality. Being very visual like most men, I will be more turned on by a HOT woman no matter what. Its really that simple.

 

[Murk]

butter on a cheeseburger?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Fraudulent tactics can definitely get you laid.

Pretending you have higher LMS than you really do is the reason. Status can be faked pretty easily with bullsh*t lies you tell a woman.

The form of "game" people on this site are aggressively defending seems to be this. FAKING your level of status. I'll admit that definitely works. So if that's what people claim "game" is here.. then sure.. you can get laid that way. But it still comes down to LMS.

But faking your status is fraudulent and pathetic. So there are two types of people arguing with me:

1. The fraudulent and pathetic.
2. Those who deny LMS

Status is part of LMS. "Game" as an attempt to FAKE higher status is still utilizing LMS to get women lol.

Think about the "groups" these females group with. I'm now of the belief if she didn't have the same struggle as you to get to your wage level she will only con you. She won't respect your efforts or your path.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

The mistake is giving them dignity of a discussion at all, instead of raising our own standards.

I was giving him good discussion many other times and stated some very useful wisdom. Whenever he could not counter for the sake of ego, he did not respond to said thread afterwards despite some people calling him out, and instead made an entirely new thread. I have noticed this 3 times actually. So it isn't so much as attention seeking as it is ego validation, contrary to what his ego might tell him.

I figure that I would just pick at him pretty good when I got nothing else to do lol. For me, it's all about entertainment. Future readers are probably going to have a laugh at some of the stuff I said. And when I write stuff, I laugh as well because I can't believe I would actually send him something like that. It's more about making myself laugh than anything.

 

[devilkingx2]

butter on a cheeseburger?

They should've used bacon to be more relatable

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

General social skills you learn over time to form your personality are not "game". Game is strictly the fraudulent games and tactics a man uses purposely to be more appealing to women.

Hahahahaha! The thing is, no one CARES what YOU think. Just because I say that the word 'faggot' may mean you, doesn't mean that it is. It means a homosexual male. Typically the submissive kind that receives rather than gives.

In that same way, YOU cannot redefine an entire language to satisfy your argumentative needs. It loses all meaning.

Which brings me to my next point: you have to redefine the boundaries because you know you cannot work within them. Much like here, and in real life. You are an outcast and a social reject. So you must go into your own world, where you are always right, and everyone who argues with you is always wrong, and yada yada yada. But there is a problem. Delusions of grandeur are not reality my friend. You aren't liked. You aren't wanted like your mother should have told you. And you are not as successful as you wish to be. Those who are go to work instead of argue.

Feel free to respond, but I already know your reaction right now:

Hahaha

 

[Urbanyst]

It is self-loathing.

He's not "straw-manning" as others have accused. He's projecting. Once you understand that, it's quite clear what the deal is.

And spamming the "recent content" list with essentially the same threads repeatedly is seeking attention (it's not just arrangements these types seek). Be better than that, and just ignore. They'll be making the same thread forever(alone).

The mistake is giving them dignity of a discussion at all, instead of raising our own standards.

We've had a blizzard in England. I had to change my plans last night. I couldn't even order a bloody pizza from papa johns. Today, the trains have some sort of convuluted "bus replacement service". I'm bored, and still i see no point.

Another butt-hurt post about Urbanyst because you can't prove your points for sh*t.

Blue pill.

 

[Solomon]

I'm talking about you fool lmfaooooo

Lol. You're delusional if you think that man is a virgin.

He gets laid.

I know of uglier men with NO GAME who get laid.

out you idiot,

 

[Urbanyst]

I'm talking about you fool lmfaooooo


out you idiot,

Ouch!

LOL.

 

[Murk]

Can't we all be civilised adults? We are all here to learn and share experiences, this kind of free for all royal rumble "omg JR a steel chair" kind of thing is derailing the whole ethos of this forum.