Fvck Fitness!

[izza]

I really don't like how you deal with other people here. Your whole manipulative "I'm happy for you" schtick is pretty inane, and I'm not sure about the people here, but I find your attitude and way of speaking rather condescending. You use a lot of words which describe touchy-feely emotions, why? Diplomacy? Are you scared to disagree with what other people are doing?

Your whole point is pretty half-assed. It's like saying something to somebody and apologizing right after because they get offended.

Hey PJ,

I enjoyed reading your post. I like the way you brought an honest perception that was critical, but also fair and expressive. You probably think I'm saying that to manipulate your mind... muahahaha. Oh man, I'm good, eh?

I guess there's not really any way I can persuade you that "I'm happy for you" in not a schtick. All I can do is tell you it's not, and then it's up to you to decide what you believe.

Maybe I am appearing manipulative without realizing it. I'm not trying at all to manipulate. But you're entitled to your opinion. What I'm saying apparently does appear manipulative, without my meaning it to.

I really am happy for people that like working out. Those lucky punks. I hate it, and I'm wondering how the hell I'm going to live to be 87 (my target age) in good health without ever stepping in a gym again. Seriously, people who love that sort of thing have a huge advantage over me. Huge.

The purpose of this post was to spark other people to share their feelings about fitness, its utility for women, for improving game, for improving personality. I'm not really interested in truth or converting people as much as I am in hearing other people's thoughts, feelings, preferences, and experiences with this matter. Of course, I got a whole lot more than that lol, but that's ok too.

I don't like abstraction. I like expression. So I talk about my personal experience, and my personal emotions. I talk a lot about touchy-feely emotions, because that's just how I talk to everybody. I am extremely expressive. One of my mottos is "confidence not saying confident things. It is expressing *everything* confidently." So I just say how I feel to everybody, and I rather enjoy it.

Besides, all I know is myself. I really can't speak for anybody else. I don't feel I can tell you or anyone else what to think, because I don't know what you should think. I don't even know how I should think. All I can do is express what I do think and how I feel about things, and what my experience has been.

I suppose you probably won't believe me if I tell you that I am not very interested in other people agreeing with me, or changing the way other people think. I guess it feels kinda good, but how am I richer in the end? I am far more interested in sharing and hearing the experience of others. Especially people who disagree.

What I wish this board were, is a place where people just share their experience. I hate judgment, I hate flaming, I hate abstraction. I wish I felt more acceptance on this board. Like "you think differently than I do, but that's ok" kind of acceptance. I don't know. Maybe that impression is all in my head.

So yeah, I know my style is very, very different from a lot of people on here. I just don't give a crap about abstraction. It has very little value to me.

As for condescending, all I can say is I had no intention at all of appearing condescending. But I'm not a great writer, and quite often my writing takes a tone or meaning I don't intend. Gah, it drives me crazy! I just wish we could telepathically communicate. We spend so much time *Crafting words*, you know? Anyway, I don't think I'm any better than anybody else. All I have to go on is my own experience, just like everybody else. I guess somewhere deep down, I probably do still have a lot of condescension I need to work on. I guess you don't think it's so deep down, huh? Anyway, I apologize for my imperfections as a writer, and I didn't mean to seem condescending to anybody.

I see no reason why anyone should be offended. All I'm doing is expressing how I feel. But other people feel different ways than I do, and that's fine!

Out of shape and all,

Izza

 

[izza]

Christ, I spend a lot of time constructing a thought-out post and even defending the OP, assuming he was coming from an intellectual perspective, and it turns out it's all a bunch of jibberish written by a hippie.

Your entire above post was retarded and nonsensical. That's what this topic was about? Having 'game' fitness? Exercising 'personality' muscles and self-actualization? Go live in a tree.

You go live in a tree, hippie.

Ugh. I revoke all previous comments contributed to this topic.

LOL, that's fine.

What point did you think I was making? What point do you disagree with now?

I mean, it's fine that you feel how you feel, I just don't really understand what the problem you see is.

I don't like how you call my post "retarded and non-sensical", and then go post something with little substantiation. Your post is retarded and non-sensical.

Do you have any personal experience to demonstrate what you're saying? If so, I'm listening.

I'm sure you have excellent reasons to believe what you believe. I just don't know what they are from your last post.

Izza

 

[izza]

I haven't read the threat yet, but the responses are easy to predict, Ill assume a bunch of ppl are insulting OP saying he's lazy, exercise is healthy, blah blah blah.

Heres the Holyfield:

Most people lift to improve their physical appearance. Lifting weights and watching your diet is the most efficient means to that end. And these same men have delusions of 'soulmates' and marriage and whatnot which really just mask sexual fantasy and perversion. Even if this longing for monogamy and love is sincere, its unlikely he will find a match with the same intentions.

This logic is flawed. While lifting weights and watching your diet is a good way to attain sex, there are better venues available. The man who invests 5 years into a career and becomes rich and famous will have an easier time getting a lifetime of sex than the devoted part-time bodybuilder/full-time warehouse guy.

I know a software engineer whose a pimply recluse, but he's filthy rich and a workaholic. When he gets horny, he goes to a strip club or calls an escort service, and sleeps with women WELL ABOVE the quality of most of our lays. While most men spend hundreds of dollars and lots of time (and risk indignity and rejection) going through the courtship process to POSSIBLY get sex with AVERAGE women, this guy just picks up his phone.

The OP has to recognize that women are RARELY going to have sex with him based on his personality, it would be EXTREMELY unwise to rely on it. He's not going to pick up HB supermodel by being '****y and funny', get real. He is correct in saying that going to the gym when you dont want to is a bad idea, that doesnt make him lazy or a bad person.



Put it this way: if you invest 500$/year in a gym membership, 500$/year on supplements, an extra 1000/year on food, and 300 hours of working out to get laid an extra 15 times, thats a TERRIBLE investment. That's $2000 and 300 hours (!) in exchange for 15 mediocre sexual encounters with average 'no anal, no bj' women.

LOL! That's hilarious.

No, the post above is how I really think. Yeah, you just misinterpreted what I'm saying. Sorry bro. Probably my fault as a writer.

Anyway, yeah we see things differently, but that's cool.

One of my operating assumptions is that I can pick up hella women with my personality. Your thinking seems to be the exact opposite. I'm definitely worried that you're right.

That's cool though, maybe I'm wrong, or maybe you're wrong. I don't really know.

I do feel sad for you that you don't think you can get lots of women with your personality. I don't know, you seem interesting to me. Maybe you underestimate yourself.

Then again, maybe I overestimate myself.

Who the fvck knows. Post some personal experience, if you don't mind, I'm curious to hear your experience in this matter.

I assume you think I'm deluded lol, but that's cool. You're entitled to your opinion.

All the best,

Izza

PS Amen about there being a million topics in this thread. I'm starting to feel dizzy.

 

[izza]

All i do is get a bigger and bigger ego and look down on their vices. So improving myself kind of sucks because it makes my standards even harder on the girl.

Hot, well behaved, respectful, cares about her health... nope.. not too many of them.

I'm getting pretty sick of talking to a hot girl for a while and then watch her pull out cigarettes.

Amen about the cigs. God I hate smoke.

Yeah I hear you about the standards. Actually my weakness is that I think every human being is a miracle. Seriously, I just love people and all sorts of people, and it's really hard for me to like, keep friends. Because I'm always meeting new people, and I just feel so little attachment to old people... because new people are everywhere.

OR it improves your sex life drastically with one woman that you care deeply about.

It's wonderful to turn on your woman with your personality... she wouldn't stay with you if that wasn't the case. But when you're turning her on with your body mind and soul... my god is that good sex.

Body, mind, soul. That is how you properly turn on a woman. That is how you make an unbreakable connection with a woman and that is how you fulfill all of her desires.

I hear ya. Yeah, I don't think we disagree there. I'm talking more in the attraction phase, and you're talking more in the LTR/Marriage phase. I think I would be a lot more willing to work out for an LTR than to meet chicks. I already know an LTR likes me, if that makes sense.

But that's just me. I'm definitely not trying to say how you should feel or act on the matter. It sounds like you have what you like to do figured out, so I say go for it. Best of luck to you,

Izza

 

[6-heads lewis]

Izza, you come across as very nice and agreeable, perhaps too much so, to the point where I feel like apologetic for no particular reason. I hope this is sincere diplomacy and not subtle manipulation using guilt (moms are masters at this).

Comments like this make me question your motives: 'my weakness is that I think every human being is a miracle.'

I didn't read the thread before posting, I still haven't read most of it, I was off topic for them ost part, though on topic in the debate of how useful weightlifting and fitness are.

I do feel sad for you that you don't think you can get lots of women with your personality.

It's not that I dont think I can, it's that I know that I don't.

I'm fairly content with myself, even if it doesn't make sense to most people. I have a very logical, dry thought process, and am fairly unemotional and prefer to be alone. I really don't have a personality or unique characteristics, the best ways to describe myself are to reference movie characters (Ghost Dog, Deniro in Heat).

Thus, the idea of using personality to woo a woman or find a soulmate is completely absurd to me.

As for personal experiences, I wouldnt know where to start. I used to be outgoing and fairly charasmatic, it got me nowhere and wasted a lot of breath and energy. Since I became an observer in the game of life, I've discovered reality isn't a very pleasant place to be. I used to think life was incredibly wondrous and complex, but it really isn't. It can be explained fairly quickly and simply, though human emotions create complexity within the basic strcture.

 

[6-heads lewis]

I think much of you comments are a result of pride. You need to know that you as an individual are special and unique, and that others see you as such.

I can't relate to that much. To me the question is "how do I attain the most sex with the least effort?", while to you the question seems to be "how do I let the light inside of me shine for my soulmate to see and admire?"

 

[izza]

PersonalJesus,

Another thought: it's not that I'm afraid of disagreement. I'm trying to ENCOURAGE people to post different points of view. And I'm trying to build a tone of acceptance of different viewpoints, so that people will be a little more open. I usually don't feel comfortable being open on this board, because I feel people are often judgmental and mocking. I think that's bad for everybody, and nobody wins or benefits from that. Mocking doesn't make me "tougher", it just makes me close more.

Anyway, I'm not saying you were doing that at all. Like I said above, I liked the tone of your post a lot. I think you brought a valid perception and criticism (even though "condescending" wasn't all the tone I was going for, it was still the tone you perceived), and you brought it in a respectful, humble, and constructive way. For the record, I don't mind posts like that - ever. I benefit enormously. If it's on your mind, please don't hesitate to put it on your tongue.

Respectfully yours,

I think the point of this thread is to tell us that fitness does work to attract woman in a satrical kind of way..Look at the last line of the topic.

lol, sorry man, that's not really what I meant. It's probably my fault as a writer. My point isn't that fitness "doesn't help" or "doesn't work." I'm sure it helps and works. I'm saying that for me, I hate attracting women based on my looks; and I really enjoy attracting women with my personality.

Obviously, other people will disagree, and I'd like to hear how they feel about this matter.

But I hate it when I snag a woman and I think "she only likes me because of my looks" - even on a street pickup. I don't like that feeling. But probably because it's coupled with a feeling that I have a boring personality, if that makes sense. Again, other people's experience will differ.

Well that's my interpretation of it at least and judging by some of the replies and his other topics, the OP does have a sense of humor which I like by the way:rockon:

Thank you! Sorry about the confusion above. I hope, when you liked my other posts, that I was actually joking

My best to you,

Fo' Shizza

 

[izza]

Izza, you come across as very nice and agreeable, perhaps too much so, to the point where I feel like apologetic for no particular reason. I hope this is sincere diplomacy and not subtle manipulation using guilt (moms are masters at this).

Comments like this make me question your motives: 'my weakness is that I think every human being is a miracle.'

I didn't read the thread before posting, I still haven't read most of it, I was off topic for them ost part, though on topic in the debate of how useful weightlifting and fitness are.

Originally Posted by izza
I do feel sad for you that you don't think you can get lots of women with your personality.

It's not that I dont think I can, it's that I know that I don't.

I'm fairly content with myself, even if it doesn't make sense to most people. I have a very logical, dry thought process, and am fairly unemotional and prefer to be alone. I really don't have a personality or unique characteristics, the best ways to describe myself are to reference movie characters (Ghost Dog, Deniro in Heat).

Thus, the idea of using personality to woo a woman or find a soulmate is completely absurd to me.

As for personal experiences, I wouldnt know where to start. I used to be outgoing and fairly charasmatic, it got me nowhere and wasted a lot of breath and energy. Since I became an observer in the game of life, I've discovered reality isn't a very pleasant place to be. I used to think life was incredibly wondrous and complex, but it really isn't. It can be explained fairly quickly and simply, though human emotions create complexity within the basic strcture.

I think much of you comments are a result of pride. You need to know that you as an individual are special and unique, and that others see you as such.

I can't relate to that much. To me the question is "how do I attain the most sex with the least effort?", while to you the question seems to be "how do I let the light inside of me shine for my soulmate to see and admire?"

Izza, you come across as very nice and agreeable, perhaps too much so, to the point where I feel like apologetic for no particular reason. I hope this is sincere diplomacy and not subtle manipulation using guilt (moms are masters at this).

Thanks, 6-lewis. I'm flattered. Sometimes I am "too nice," it is just a default position for me. What I was saying has nothing to do with diplomacy. Actually, I hate diplomacy and politeness, and guilting people for that matter. Whatever I said, I meant it.

Then again, my mom is probably manipulating me to say this as we speak, without my ever realizing it. So for more information about what I think, you'll have to talk to her.

By the way, looking at that quote again:

Izza, you come across as very nice and agreeable, perhaps too much so, to the point where I feel like apologetic for no particular reason. I hope this is sincere diplomacy and not subtle manipulation using guilt (moms are masters at this).

IMO, if you say stuff like this to women on a regular basis, you will never sleep alone again.

I almost fell in love with you, you dog!

(PS my heterosexual credentials are impeccable.)

Comments like this make me question your motives: 'my weakness is that I think every human being is a miracle.'

Really? lol, That's cool. Yeah, for some reason I actually think like that a lot of the time. Unless I'm in a crappy mood in which case I'm like "people are stupid." But usually, I think people are really interesting. I'll probably get bored someday

It's not that I dont think I can, it's that I know that I don't.

That's cool. Yeah don't get me wrong, I am far, far from a PUA. I have some experience in an LTR, with dating etc. At this point, my personality is still pretty flabby.

I'm fairly content with myself, even if it doesn't make sense to most people. I have a very logical, dry thought process, and am fairly unemotional and prefer to be alone. I really don't have a personality or unique characteristics, the best ways to describe myself are to reference movie characters (Ghost Dog, Deniro in Heat).

Thus, the idea of using personality to woo a woman or find a soulmate is completely absurd to me.

Yeah, that makes sense to me. And if you're happy with your personality, (or you feel like you don't have one), it definitely seems logical sense to focus on fitness, money, or a career.

As for personal experiences, I wouldnt know where to start. I used to be outgoing and fairly charasmatic, it got me nowhere and wasted a lot of breath and energy.

Amen. I have "tried" to be charismatic and I was wasting my energy. Maybe you did something different than I did. I was trying to emulate the exterior characteristics of people who are charismatic, and for me it was all one big sham.

What you just said has been an important (and hard-earned) observation in my life.

Since I became an observer in the game of life, I've discovered reality isn't a very pleasant place to be. I used to think life was incredibly wondrous and complex, but it really isn't. It can be explained fairly quickly and simply, but there is detail and variables in the simple formula as a result of human emotions which cause a world of problems and questions.

Hearing stuff like this is exactly the kind of thing that really interests and benefits me from reading this board. Not that I am persuaded this is the best way to think for me, it just gets the brain juices flowing and I start seeing the world from a different place. I like it.

I'm trying to say more stuff like that to women. IMO they love it.

I think much of you comments are a result of pride. You need to know
that you as an individual are special and unique, and that others see
you as such.

Pride? If it's pride I don't understand what you mean. If you mean vanity, then I totally and completely agree. Basically, at this point in my life I chase women out of a desire for them to love who I really am. Cuz that just feels great to me right now. I know, it's easy to say, "I shouldn't need that kind of validation from a woman." But then again, if a woman doesn't like me for who I am - even just for an ONS - I find that kind of isolating; I don't like that feeling. But again that's just me. Different strokes for different folks.

I can't relate to that much. To me the question is "how do I attain
the most sex with the least effort?", while to you the question seems
to be "how do I let the light inside of me shine for my soulmate to
see and admire?"

Mmmmmmm, sex. Mmmmmmmmm, least effort.

I suppose you're right that someday I would like to "let the light inside me shine for my soulmate to see and admire" (do I really talk like that much of a hippie? lol!)

But for now, I'm only concerned with attracting ONS's and I dunno, short-term stuff with my personality. Which probably seems kind of bizarre.

You say you have zero personality, yet I see a lot of personality in your posts. Maybe it's one of those things where you do it so naturally, you don't even realize it or think about it. Or maybe you just write different than you talk.

I really enjoyed reading your post; I think it was my favorite that I've read so far. That will probably come as a surprise to you. But thanks.

Cheers,

Izza

 

[Bloke]

Philosophy is for those who don't want reality.

The cold hard truth is you are lazy. Plain & simple.

If a person doesn't wanna do something, fine, don't do it. But your sole reason for wanting to lift weights is to impress girls (don't deny it, it's as obvious as your weakness). You stop lifting weights as you relize this. Fair enough... but then you say you wanna appear unfit so the girls will like you for your personality. Makes no sense at all.

*offers can of STFU*

Now stop trying rationalise it & pump some iron.

 

[Kwello]

The cold, hard, truth is more that desirable physical traits are programmed into our genetics. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself that your body shape doesn't matter, our DNA says otherwise... 5 million years of evolution doesn't change over the course of a couple thousand years (read: dawn of civilization and shifting of priorities). In modern society it would, I suppose, make more sense for a person who is either fat or has very little muscle mass to get the women (because they can either afford lots of food and are thus successful, or because they work hard to make lots of money and have no time to go to the gym).

Maybe someday that will be the case after a few million more years of evolution under the influence of society... but for now, it's pretty much hard coded into a woman's brain to find an athletic, muscular, tall man to breed with.

In fact it even corresponds with the menstrual cycle. During ovulation phases, a woman seeks a man with all of these physical traits to bear a child with. Yet during other phases, she'll seek a sensitive man who would be better suited to actually help raise the child with her.

Alpha = Child maker, holds all of the desired primal traits
Beta = Child rearer, not physically as attractive as an alpha... but a good companion

So, why not pump some iron and look like an alpha? Appeal to her primal desires. Then once you're in a committed relationship with the woman, you get to show her your caring, sensitive beta side.

Be the best of both worlds. Why settle for anything less?

 

[Warboss Alex]

In fact it even corresponds with the menstrual cycle. During ovulation phases, a woman seeks a man with all of these physical traits to bear a child with. Yet during other phases, she'll seek a sensitive man who would be better suited to actually help raise the child with her.

well damn.. my wife grabs my muscles regardless of her menstrual status. and she appreciates me being sensitive, doing 'the little things' and being thoughtful, every day of the month too. guess we're out of cycle!

I think people should stop thinking about the 'science' of women and just get on with it..

 

[izza]

Philosophy is for those who don't want reality.

The cold hard truth is you are lazy. Plain & simple.

If a person doesn't wanna do something, fine, don't do it. But your sole reason for wanting to lift weights is to impress girls (don't deny it, it's as obvious as your weakness). You stop lifting weights as you relize this. Fair enough... but then you say you wanna appear unfit so the girls will like you for your personality. Makes no sense at all.

*offers can of STFU*

Now stop trying rationalise it & pump some iron.

The cold hard truth is that *you're* lazy. Stop trying to rationalize your lack of personality, and go pump iron.

You're correct, my sole reason for lifting weights was getting women. In fact, that was my sole reason for going to the gym or doing exercise regimens at all. Now I just exercise when I feel like it, and as my body demands. Which I love. I like your point on that count.

That's ok that wanting women to like me for my personality alone makes no sense to you. Maybe it's just not for you.

If you want reality, stop philosophizing.

*offers can of STFU*

You know, I'm talking about my life here. If you don't like what I'm doing with my life, go do something different. That's fine. I'm not saying what works for me works for everybody. I don't like your insulting tone, you bastârd.

Do you have any personal experience to share? If not, that's ok, but I am far more interested in your personal experience than anything else. I'm assuming you like lifting weights, that's cool, nothing wrong with that. I'm jealous of you, actually. I hate it.

Peace,

Izza

 

[izza]

The cold, hard, truth is more that desirable physical traits are programmed into our genetics. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself that your body shape doesn't matter, our DNA says otherwise... 5 million years of evolution doesn't change over the course of a couple thousand years (read: dawn of civilization and shifting of priorities). In modern society it would, I suppose, make more sense for a person who is either fat or has very little muscle mass to get the women (because they can either afford lots of food and are thus successful, or because they work hard to make lots of money and have no time to go to the gym).

Maybe someday that will be the case after a few million more years of evolution under the influence of society... but for now, it's pretty much hard coded into a woman's brain to find an athletic, muscular, tall man to breed with.

In fact it even corresponds with the menstrual cycle. During ovulation phases, a woman seeks a man with all of these physical traits to bear a child with. Yet during other phases, she'll seek a sensitive man who would be better suited to actually help raise the child with her.

Alpha = Child maker, holds all of the desired primal traits
Beta = Child rearer, not physically as attractive as an alpha... but a good companion

So, why not pump some iron and look like an alpha? Appeal to her primal desires. Then once you're in a committed relationship with the woman, you get to show her your caring, sensitive beta side.

Be the best of both worlds. Why settle for anything less?

Hey Kwello,

Good to hear from you. I usually prefer posts of personal experience, and I avoid abstraction in my life. That's ok, though, I appreciated your post.

All I can say is, perhaps you're right when you say it is a "cold, hard fact" that we are biologically and genetically driven to mate with muscle-headed guys. Perhaps you're wrong. Perhaps it helps, perhaps it doesn't. I really truly don't know, and couldn't possibly claim to know.

All I know is I've seen some gorgeous, drop-dead women marry some really un-gorgeous guys whose looks will drop you dead for different reasons. I know that doesn't "prove" anything, but perhaps I have seen enough of this phenomenon that I don't really worry about looks that much anymore.

So I have seen a lot of instances where women appear hard-wired to ignore physical traits and focus on personality ones. Again, I don't know, it's just that my experience doesn't mesh with what you're saying all the time.

I believe that most guys don't have enough interpersonal skills to overcome bad to decent looks. In fact, some of my friends, who were in perfect condition, were single for long stretches, while me and my out of shape buddy had hot LTRs lol.

I like what you're saying about "the best of both worlds." Not so much in terms of "alpha and beta" (which I see as metaphors of limited utility, but that's ok, if they work for you then use them), but in terms of always seeking to improve my looks and my personality. I definitely see what you're saying and respect the idea. It sounds like it's working for you and you enjoy it so I say go for it. Keep doing what makes you happy.

In my life, I guess I just find picking up women too easy. I don't feel challenged. So I'm looking for ways to make getting women more difficult, and ultimately more rewarding. I guess that's sort of at odds with the goal of this site, which is to make getting women easier. But also, please don't forget that I like compliments to my personality, and I'm not a huge fan of compliments to my body. They mean nothing to me. So my body is beautiful, so it's not. So what? It's largely genetics anyway. I could have been born deformed, and no one would think I was beautiful physically.

Do you think I would have to give up getting great women, or beautiful women? Hell no. If you would give up, feel free and I wouldn't judge worse you for it. But I don't want my game to be based on looks at all.

My favorite pickups are when I look disgusting. Like yesterday I had just biked for three hours, I was covered in sweat, my breath reeked, and my hair was a poofy mess. I then went and picked up a masseuse For me, I felt that was a huge compliment to my personality. It couldn't have been my breath or my hair that attracted her. Quite the contrary, they probably repelled her. But we talked, I asked her on an insta-date, I got her phone number, and some touching of the hands and neck. She knows the deal. I sorta wish I'd kissed her though. Anyway, I'm not bragging because there's really nothing extraordinary about that at all. I believe we are all capable of doing the exact same thing.

I really liked that pick up though. I must have a strong personality.

I don't really understand why you see beauty as a fixed, objective characteristic. I don't think women are hard-wired to like "tall, athletic, muscular men" I think all people are hard-wired to like beautiful, sexual people.

These are just my beliefs, you don't have to share them.

According to every philosopher since Aristotle, beauty is a subjective characteristic, ie it is in the eye of the beholder. Women aren't attracted to muscles, women are attracted to whatever society says is beautiful. But since what is beautiful is changeable, I can change what other people think is beautiful, and other people can change what I think is beautiful. What a gift.

I think what I like the most about picking up women while sorely out of shape is watching her become attracted to my body. I love that sh!t man. At first she's like wtf, this guy is odd, but I just keep at it and I just talk about who I am and what I want from life, my struggles. I talk about sex, and food, and massages. I get her to touch me and compliment me. I just love that moment where she's like "wtf? I want to sleep with this man... what is going on?"

I love that moment. What a compliment.

Izza

 

[izza]

well damn.. my wife grabs my muscles regardless of her menstrual status. and she appreciates me being sensitive, doing 'the little things' and being thoughtful, every day of the month too. guess we're out of cycle!

I think people should stop thinking about the 'science' of women and just get on with it..

Good to hear from you Alex

Yeah, about a year ago, I would have retorted, "but pook says that women love alpha males..." lol

I'm not saying that's what these guys are basing their abstractions on... I don't really know. All I know is, the less I think of women as a science, the more skillful and rewarding my experiences are. I love it.

I am definitely of the same mind as you.

I'm going to PM you shortly.

Fo'Shizza

 

[stronglifts]

I would rather pick up a hot babe when I'm 100 pounds overweight, than with a six-pack.

I would rather pick up a super model when I'm 100 pounds overweight than with a six-pack.

Why?

In the second case, I can never know if the girl is just using me for my body. Of course if I'm horny, I don't care. But on the other hand, I would rather pick up the same hot babe with my personality.

If I pick up a hot girl when I am not looking my best, I take that as an enormous compliment.

Dating is supposed to make me feel good about who I am.

I can never be sure that I won't be attacked by a wild coyote. All the ladies that like me for my pretty face would leave. What if I am disabled by diabetes and a heart condition and I lose my six-pack. I don't want a girl that will leave.

I want a girl who likes who I am underneath the skin.

A six-pack is like honey for the honeys

Anyone who is serious about his workout will testify: lifting weights builds character.

It learns you responsibility, determination, persitence, sacrifice,...

You become what you do.

-Mehdi.

 

[Kwello]

Exactly... which is another reason women like fit men. It shows dedication, perseverance and ambition. All characteristics that women search for in a man.

 

[stronglifts]

Exactly... which is another reason women like fit men. It shows dedication, perseverance and ambition. All characteristics that women search for in a man.

Exactly.

Btw, I train for 10 years now. 8/10 girls don't like the fact that I train. Most girls want me to stop doing it ("give me more time/I don't like those veins/you have no fat, I have a big ass/...").

Training for girls is missing the point. Lifting weights is not about that. You're doing it for you, never for others.

Read this: 5 Reasons You Should Start Strength Training

-Mehdi.

 

[Kwello]

Yeah I solely do it for myself. It makes me feel good and is just a point of interest. Also it's a lot nicer to be constantly changing in life rather than stagnating... I'm always going up or down in size and strength, but it never stays the same. It adds a nice variable to life.

 

[6-heads lewis]

Anyone who is serious about his workout will testify: lifting weights builds character.

It learns you responsibility, determination, persitence, sacrifice,...

You become what you do.

-Mehdi.

NO, it doesn't.

You want character? go to Brazil or India and live on the streets, learn to survive without your fukn whey powder. For starters try being a bouncer at a biker bar.

Sometimes I wonder how many of you guys have left North America, or more accurately, how many of you have left your cushy suburb.

Lifting weights doesnt mean sh!t. My dad just got back from Serbia, he told me stories of peoiple purposely injuring themselves or committing petty crimes in front of cops to go to jail or a hospital. What would bring them to such desparate measures? They had no place to live and couldn't afford to feed themselves, it was jail/hospital or death.

Hardships beyond your comprehension builds character. Getting a fake tan and going to the Y to curl 100lbs doesnt.



There's nothing wrong with lifting weights, I do it several times and week and enjoy it. Moving around some iron and stuffing my face with chicken doesn't magically add positiev traits to my personality.

 

[Kwello]

You don't have to live in Serbia to build character... "Moving around iron and stuffing your face with chicken" doesn't magically add positive traits, but it builds discipline and demonstrates ambition. It's much easier to sit at home playing video games than getting in your car, driving to the gym and following through with a routine.

There's nothing in life that magically gives you logic, reasoning, ambition, determination or any other of those admirable traits. It's all the little experiences which add together and help to form who you are.

You think Calculus applies to anything in the real world? No. But it helps build your logical thinking abilities and your problem solving skills. Going to the gym is similar. It doesn't automatically grant you anything and the strength it gives you is basically useless in day to day life... but it helps to build tenacity, determination, ambition and all of that good ****.