friggin 'a! I cant communicate to people let a lone women, I hate life! I WANT TO DI

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This sucks every since I moved to town in 9th grade I've never had any friends, I tried being cool, but tough luck. Now look at me, Im a freshman in college, and I have to be the only person on campus who doesn't have anyone to chat with. F***!!!! I hate it!!! I try to change myself try chatting with people but they just end up walking away from me, or they notice one of there friends and say "HEY!" and run off. And I feel like a dumbass. Seriously I cant even talk to girls just about every girl I've talked too has seemed to show no interest in me, I try my best try to keep eye contact etc. but the s*** doesn't work. I feel like a total dumbass. Im like the dude that has no friends gets to class 15min early because he doesn't live on campus, and ends up with nobody sitting around him. It sucks and the ration of girls to guys at my college is 7 to 1. F***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been totally bad at sports, but I work out about 1 to 3 times a week, so im pretty physically healthy, i try to run 2 times a week, and I dont think Im that bad looking of a guy. Sh** man, when I was in high school I was looking forward to college, thinking people were gonna be different, maybe I could go to some parties, travel, get laid, get to establish nice relationships with people, but no I haven't, I've been living in a fantasy land. This completely sucks. Im already on some form of an anti depressant, but i seriously feel like killing myself right now, putting a bullett through my head. BANG! seriously this sucks its completely ridiculous man, who would have thought that talking to people would be so hard? sh** I even wanted to get laid, HA HA, no such luck. S*** im pathetic. Some people keep saying keep pluggin away, dont let other people bring you down, but even though you have just about failure after failure, its hard to keep your self esteem and hopes high. Lets put it this way i hate myself right now. I'm pretty pathetic. S*** look at me I put this s*** on a message board too in hopes maybe someone might give me some good info. F*** IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
 

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you need help that is beyond this board. you don't know how to interact with people even at a basic level. for example, i am positive that the eye contact you're throwing out only creeps chicks out.

admit it and get some help. you need to actually pay someone--an image or dating coach.

edit: try the image or dating coach angle before you try a professional therapist (unless you're serious about blowing your brains out--if that's the case run like hell to a professional). try to hook up with a 'cool guy' and ask him straight out to help you. you'd be surprised, boys take care of boys. he might not want to be seen with you on campus and such, but that's beside the point.

get off the anti depressants as fast as you can. they are addressing the symptoms and not the root cause of your problem.

where's my bucket?
 
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A lesson I learned in Life if you have the Fvck people mentality and focus on what you are studying, they will come around. Don't come off as too needy because that turns people off. Come off like you don't need em and you can do good on ure own. The same applies with women. I don't need a woman, rosy palm is a hell of alot better and you aint gotta worry about her cheatin or bvtchin. Since I have this attitude, women usually try to get me to notice em. Participate in your classes. By the way, what do you talk to people about before they walk away?
 
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1. Get some professional help! If your talking about wanting to die then your way beyond anyones but a pro's reach.

2. Your focusing too much on YOU. This is vain and self centered. If you quit worrying about how YOU feel when you talk to folks you will relax more. Who cares if they see a friend and run off. So what. You see...your to much into yourself.

3. Next time try to focus on the other person. Do not even think about how your feeling or if you feel stupid or if you feel embarrassed or anything. Put all of your focus on the other person without looking like a zombie. Relax and try to look like a normal human being. This is one of the key components of charasma.

Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:08 am Post subject: Charisma

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I found this on Charisma. Tell me what you fella's think:


Maybe an easy way to make the word charisma understandable is to define it as knowing when to speak, and what to say when you speak, knowing when not to speak, and knowing how to carry yourself throughout . This takes discipline, which is acquired with practice. Actors are expected to rehearse the same parts over and over again to get things just right for the camera. Writers re-write their pieces sometimes repeatedly before their scripts are finally approved to begin a film shoot.
As an example of what we mention above, look hard at the fine detail that Hollywood uses to craft the "on-screen presence" of a main or central character. A main or central character must command attention throughout the film to hold the audience's interest. The more attention they command, through elements of intrigue, mystery, and action, the greater their on-screen presence . Many elements go in to this "on-screen presence" - these are elements of charisma.
But this is real life, not Hollywood. In reality, and as charisma applies to the social scene and to the women involved in the social scene, it's all about diplomacy.


THE FIRST ELEMENT: PRESENCE


The first element of charisma is "presence." Presence, as used here, refers to the quality of commanding respectful attention.
To further define presence, think of it more specifically as how you carry yourself . Picture a Lotus in a parking lot of Fords. The Lotus stands alone - as a European sports car, it's sleek and stylishly detailed compared to the conservative and boring Fords. It's not moving, it's not talking - it's not doing a thing and yet you've taken notice of it because of its detailed features. That is presence.
Presence is important... It is the very first step to making a highly effective first impression. As numerous elements make up charisma, so do numerous elements make up presence.
What do you need to do create presence? The following steps will get you well on your way:

Image is Everything: So Pay Attention to Detail
* Dress in a style that is considered fashionable. Wear clothes that will get you compliments. You care about your image and it shows. While it's good to have an image that says that you care about how you look, you don't have to exactly mimic the trendy crowd around you, which by tradition is all 'into looks'. Be a little creative, looking for those items that will make your wardrobe more original than the average well-dressed guy. But recognize, if a woman is well into the trendy crowd, to seduce her you'd better seem high up in it yourself.
* In general, the attractive women in society prefer a man with a clean, short hair cut. This same group of women (most desired by men) also prefers men to be clean shaven. A clean shave says two things about you... First, it says that you're well-groomed, and second that you prefer a more youthful look, and are aware of the social ramifications of a clean shaven face. Does this mean you have to be clean shaven? No. In regards to first impressions, we're just telling you what women prefer in general.
And when following what women are generally known to prefer, you position yourself in such a way as to have the statistically greatest chances of success at catching their attention with your image.
Some other tips to enhance your presence:
* If you're white, work on maintaining a healthy tan. No sunshine?... Find a nearby tanning salon.
* Pay attention to how you walk, sit, and stand. Your posture should make you appear to be confident and at ease with your surroundings. Even if you're not at ease, pay attention to your posture so that it seems as though you are.
* Flaunt a sincere, friendly smile at strategic intervals (but don't over do it - learn to read when it is called for, and when it's not). * A sincere, friendly smile is a strong weapon. It breaks the ice, tears down people's walls, automatically paints you as a person of high self-esteem and confidence. ( * Refer to The Sixth Element: Diplomacy.)
* What is your mind set? You are in a situation that requires a strong focus on tact and diplomacy. Meaning, knowing when to speak, and what to say when you speak, knowing when not to speak, and knowing how to carry yourself throughout.

* How do your eyes follow the crowd? As if you're disinterested (meaning, you're not paying too much attention to any one person) - and that's because you feel that their is nobody worthy of your attention. In other words, you're never "star-struck" because you are the star. In the end, your goal is to give off the impression that you're a prestigious person accustomed to ranking high in social circles - not even the blonde-bombshell walking by can shake this poise. You may cast a glance, but you're to prestigious to stare. *People around you WILL notice this and subconsciously decide that you ARE a person of prestige. (* Refer to Element II: "Regal Bearing").
In a world where most people lack a high level of self-respect, it is easy to stand out when you have it and it shows. And if you don't have a high level of self-respect (again, like most), then fake it. Take note - the trick to faking it is to fake it with sincerity (this will be repeated further along).
By themselves, these simple details regarding a positive, prestigious self-image don't accomplish much, but when packaged together they merge for great effect. And now you've created "presence."
Introducing 'Universal Presence': Dressing In A "Safety Zone"
When it comes to first impressions, there's a certain zone statistically most women respond to, and for the purpose of this section we'll call it the "safety zone". You can dress how you've always dressed, or you can dress in a way that women are known most often to admire.
Nowadays, the trendy Calvin Klein / Ralph Lauren look seems to be in with the "cool" upscale crowds... and as such, this is what most women admire. (Not all women, just most). Now, if this isn't the type of woman you're after, then disregard the next few paragraphs regarding personal image. The important thing to realize, is that it's about presenting yourself (dressing) in such a way as to impress the women you're targetting. Biker girls like tattooed-up bikers. Thug girls like thug guys. Punk rock girls like punk rock guys. Cowgirls like cowboys.
Analyze the traits most admired by the women you're most after. Then adapt these traits into who you are to give yourself the greatest odds for getting these women.
The great seducers understood what the women they were after most looked for in a man's appearance, and so they portrayed this image for the sole purpose of getting these women. Today, this means that if you're going after a woman who's 'big on country', dressing with a 'hip hop' look probably isn't going to have a good effect.

Now, let's say that you prefer country music, however where you work the women are more into hip hop... The easiest way then to seduce these women, is to first keep your musical preferences to yourself, and second recognize what they admire most in guys that listen to hip hop. Loose fitting jeans. Well-styled hair. Designer clothes... Nike, Polo, Etc. You can then make the choice to greatly enhance your chances with these women by dressing in this fashion.
'Universal Presence' Part II: Understanding That Presence Is A Key Element In First Impressions
For the most part, how you are regarded by others is how people you come into contact with will regard you. But if they don't know you from Adam, if you're a complete stranger to them, then they will subconsciously prejudge you and form an early opinion of you before EVEN MEETING YOU.
It is human instinct to look for patterns in the world around us. It is psychological, it is subconscious. We relate the situations we're presented with based on our passed experiences.
When creating an aura of charisma, you're using this instinct to your advantage (which most people can't control because they're unaware that it is something happening in their subconscious). Here's an analogy: If you look like a thug, you'll be prejudged as probably being a thug. If you look like your gay, you'll be prejudged as probably being gay. And if you look like a charismatic person used to respect and even admiration, you will be prejudged as a person who is probably charismatic and worthy of respect and even admiration.
Once you've been prejudged, it's that much easier to create the effect that you're after. Notice that we used the word "probably" in the above paragraph? We use the word "probably" to represent the other person's expectations. This is what he or she expects. And because they expect it, now it's that much easier to give it to them.
 
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Many elements make up charisma; presence is but one. Most people don't understand the charismatic persona and can only assume that it comes naturally to some people. Maybe for a very rare and select few. For the rest of us, it is an acquired art - something that we practice in our daily encounters with others until it is developed over time. Charisma opens many doors and will get you into many places otherwise far off limits. It is a very influential tool when you want something. Of the three arts we go over, Charisma is the most powerful . We discuss it in-depth first because the other two arts require it to be truly effective (interestingly, charisma, and how it applies to meeting and dating women, is overlooked in even the most popular self-help books on the current market.)




THE SECOND ELEMENT: REGAL BEARING


Bearing (n) : The manner in which one carries or conducts oneself
The most inclusive of the elements, bearing applies to both physical posture and general conduct: "He has the poise and bearing of a champion."
Bearing: Standing Tall
· The way you carry yourself will often determine how you are treated. If you carry yourself as if you're a person aware of social graces, and if you carry yourself as if you're a person of prestige (you're used to having respect), for the most part you will be regarded in the same fashion. Act like an important person to be treated like one.


THE THIRD ELEMENT: MANNER


Manner (n) : a way of acting or behaving
If your presence and regal bearing have given women the impression that you're an important person and that you're considered an important person by others, manner, as we use it here, refers to how you act and behave in relation. What, then, is the manner of a charismatic persona?
You put thought into your words and actions - you base what you do and say on how the other person will most likely react.
* Before speaking to a person, you ask yourself: How is this person going to interpret my next few words? What kind of effect are they going to have? What effect is it that I'm going for? Will I sound like I know what I'm talking about? Or will I sound like a fool? Will I sound confident? Or will I sound ****y? Will I sound sincere, or will I sound fake? Will I come across as a good conversationalist, someone who listens more than he speaks? Or will I seem as though I talk too much and therefore am not a good conversationalist?
A charismatic persona is thought of as being a good conversationalist, among other things, and for you to continue to give off the aura of charisma that you initially gave off with your presence and regal bearing, then you need to be good at conversation. If you foul up the conversation process, then your whole charismatic presence and regal bearing are thrown out the window. And now that this woman has met you, she's made a new judgement of you. On the other hand, if you are (or at least seem to be) an exceptional conversationalist, the charismatic effect that you are going for will only be heightened.



THE FOURTH ELEMENT: FINESSE


Finesse (n): Refinement and delicacy of performance, execution, or artisanship
By now you've realized that many of these elements are very similar terms and carry similar definitions as each other. The first three elements, bearing, presence, and manner add together to stand for essentially the same thing: the way you carry yourself. They apply to a person's behavior. People judge other people on their behavior, especially since it reveals many distinctive personal qualities regarding their individuality or upbringing. As mentioned before, it is a subconscious habit to relate a new experience (for example, meeting someone new) with past experiences (people you've known or known of).
Suave. Smooth. Finesse. This is how you want to go about your act. You will need to think along these lines when focusing on presence, on bearing, on manner. You shouldn't be able to tell where one ends and the other begins. They should all merge into one, each small bodies coming together to form a smooth liquid unity.
Finesse: The Tricks of the Trade
* Never seem to be in a hurry - hurrying betrays a lack of control over yourself, and over time.
* Always seem patient, as if you know that everything will come to you eventually.
* Your actions must seem natural and executed with ease - so when you act, act effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Cloak your focus on the elements (which will more than likely seem intense when you first start practicing the art) by being confident on the outside and relaxed on the inside. Never let them see you sweat.
· Practice being subtle ("subtle," as used here, means 'So slight as to be difficult to detect or analyze; elusive.').


THE FIFTH ELEMENT: ENIGMA


Enigma (n): An action, mode of action, or thing, which cannot be satisfactorily explained
In a world growing increasingly dull and familiar, what seems enigmatic instantly draws attention. Especially when it comes to today's dating / relationship arena. Many women tend to rate guys in the same grouping: little self-control, jerks when they don't get what they want, egotistical, loud, boring, macho, aggressive. . . So anything you can do to distance yourself from this group of "typical guys" stands to get you noticed - because your distance cannot be quickly and easily explained.

The attraction of enigma can be explained as follows: It invites layers of interpretation, excites women's imagination, deceives them into believing that it conceals something exciting.
In the dating / relationship arena, if you've got true charisma women will come to you . They can read by your presence, bearing, and manner if you're the rare kind of guy that is used to having women pursue him, as a person with true charisma is, and in a woman's subconscious mind her dream guy (Mr. Right) is a guy with true charisma . (Most women never meet their dream guy.) So if you put off the aura, suddenly her imagination is going to take over and she's going to wonder. . . Take note - she hasn't even met you and subconsciously she's already comparing you to Mr. Right. In the end, her imagination fuels the attraction.
Imagination. . . This is why enigma is a powerful element of charisma. It was one of Casanova's secrets - women who had heard of his accomplishments wondered what made him so romantically successful. Their imaginations ignited, they had to find out for themselves. Scholars like to say that it was Casanova's skills of seduction that landed him all his women - but seduction really didn't have much to do with it, in this case. He'd never met these women and yet they wanted to get with him. "Popularity" is a common result of charisma. In this case it elevated Casanova to near celebrity status.
There you are - with your presence, bearing, manner, and finesse - women notice you and think, What is it about him that makes him stand out? Why does he look so confident? He looks like a success in life. . . What is it about him?
Enigma: Mystery in the Making
* Never make it too clear what you are doing or about to do. Never reveal your plans or intentions.
* Don't show all your cards. Keep things back by being purposely vague.
* Be subtly unpredictable. Focus on the little things: If you're out on the nightscene, mix up your selection of drinks from time to time; don't frequent the same clubs; change your appearance slightly; grow a goatee for a few days; don't return a phone call immediately - return a phone call immediately. Make plans and be early - the next time be late; etc. . .
 
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* Important people impress by saying less - you should keep your words to a minimum - just enough to keep the conversation rolling... And don't volunteer much information about yourself - instead, get her to volunteer information about herself . But do this in a way that doesn't make you seem too inquisitive or too interested - both signs of someone with little self-control, and therefore someone lacking true charisma. The key here to this conversation is to be casual and non-aggressive . To accomplish the casual, non-aggressive attitude, one trick is to make yourself believe that you're not interested in her unless she goes out of her way to impress you. Make her "sell" herself to you with her words and personality . (When it's all said and done, she should be thinking that you were a "great person to talk to" - and then she'll realize that she doesn't know anything about you. Her imagination is ignited and she'll be back for more.)
An air of enigma heightens your presence; it also creates anticipation - everyone will be watching you to see what you do next. Enigma is an interesting element because it carries over into both arts : It is used in Charisma. And It is used in Seduction. So make yourself familiar with enigma. Start practicing it on a daily basis with anyone you're in contact with. Then stand back and watch the results - you'll notice people paying you a lot more attention when you're around.
Don't imagine that to create an air of enigma you have to be beautiful or powerful. Enigma that is used in your day-to-day manner, and is subtle, has that much more power to ignite the imagination and attract attention. The fact is, most people are up front and pay little notice to their words or image. These people are completely predictable. By simply holding back, keeping certain things to yourself, and being deliberately vague, you will create an air of enigma. The people around you will then magnify that aura by constantly trying to read you. Imagination is a powerful fire - what wraps itself in enigma will almost always ignite it.


THE SIXTH ELEMENT: DIPLOMACY


Diplomacy (n): Tact and skill in dealing with people; subtly skillful handling of a situation involving others
Diplomacy represents a mastery of social skills. In the art of charisma, having it will make you, and not having it will break you. It is the ability to relate with anyone and everyone that you meet on their level. You must change your style and your way of speaking to suit each person and each situation. This isn't lying - this is acting. And acting, especially as it applies to charisma, is learned. You must become a chameleon, your colors constantly changing to adapt to the social atmosphere around you. In politics, a diplomat is someone sent by his government to keep up or improve relations with other governments. Although inwardly he may detest this other government and its people, he never lets it show. Instead, he shows respect and honors their customs and they love him for it. He is careful never to offend, yet he's also aware that to retain their respect he can't seem an ass-kisser.

Diplomacy: The Secret to Highly Effective Social Skills
* Never joke about someone else's appearances or taste, generally two highly sensitive areas.
* Give compliments. Look for one or two qualities about a woman that make her stand out. It can be something in her personality, or simply the way she wears her eyeliner. By expressing compliments, you subconsciously call attention to things to compliment you on (even if she doesn't say them aloud). The ability to express compliments, and be sincere, is a rare talent, and usually she'll really appreciate it.
* Be self-observant. Hold up a mirror to your words and actions. This can sometimes come from other people telling you what they see in you, but that's not the most trustworthy method. You must learn to put yourself in other people's shoes and see yourself as they see you. Are you kissing-ass? Are you acting too-cool? Do you seem too-serious? Are you acting too-comical? Do you seem desperate for attention? By keeping an eye on your words and actions you will avoid a thousand mistakes.
* Practice modesty. While it's good to make your talents known, you can easily come across as bragging if you're not careful. All bragging will do is get you brushed away - no one likes hearing it.
* Master your emotions - Just like an actor, you must learn to cry and laugh on command when it's appropriate. You must be able to disguise your anger and frustration and to fake your satisfaction and agreement. Use the same skills to cover up any nervousness you may experience - If you're ever even slightly nervous, hide it by focusing on appearing confident - look the other person in the eye, speak clearly and audibly (don't mumble or stutter), force a sincere smile.
* Learn to be sensitive to the other person, listening for what they're really saying.
* Learn to make people feel good about themselves (but do it subtly, as if you're unaware that this is what you're doing - remember enigma and make them wonder. . .).
These are the social skills your parents never taught you. In one word, they all represent charm. Think about it - A guy with sincere charm is usually liked by all. He's careful never to insult, never seems overbearing, he's always sensitive to the other person's likes and dislikes, and he never suffers social mishaps because he's constantly aware of what the effects will be of his words and actions.

THE SEVENTH ELEMENT: ALLURE
Allure (n): the power to entice or attract through personal charm
Ah, the last of the elements. It is the essence of charisma. But without the other elements, it would never be reached. When we've mentioned "aura" as a part of charisma, allure is that aura. It is infective. Women and guys alike are drawn in. Suddenly you find yourself surrounded by many friends and girlfriends ("groupies"). And once in your presence (The First Element), it's hard for them to distance themselves - as long as you continue to pay attention to each individual element. For example, diplomacy: When you excel in diplomacy (The Sixth Element), you learn to make others feel better about themselves, becoming a source of pleasure to them. In fact, they grow dependent on your manner (The Third Element) to feel good about themselves. You may call them friends, but psychologically they become your followers. Other people read this - and enigma kicks in and heightens the effect: these other people start to wonder subconsciously: There must be something exceptional ("cool" or "charming") about you that's making people want to be around you. . . What is it? Imaginations start to race.
Suddenly we've revealed the truth to you - charisma and manipulation are very similar. At the beginning of this article we gave you a dictionary definition for the word charisma:
Charisma (n): a personal attractiveness that enables you to influence others
And now we'll do the same for manipulation:
Manipulation (n): exerting shrewd or devious influence especially for one's own advantage If manipulation is a skill that is learned, then so is charisma. Con artists, it can be said, are the epitome of manipulation. When you think of a manipulator, you probably think of some slick-talking salesman or womanizer. You can see his act from a mile away. But a true con artist, you can't see his act - he's so disguised in an aura of charisma, that even after you've been bilked of millions you have a hard time believing that this person, this business associate, this friend could have been responsible.
Manipulation could be considered the negatives of the power of charisma, and when you manipulate people, sooner or later there are always consequences. In the end, it is much better to focus on the positives of charisma.
Benjamin Franklin once said:
"If rascals knew the value of virtue, they would become virtuous out of sheer rascality."
So how do you have virtue, and not fade into the background of "too nice"?... Maintain a powerful confidence, that is how. Your inner strength will shine through, and the people around you will seek comfort in your presence. You can be the mountain rising high from the jungles of mediocrity... people who are lost to low levels of self-esteem, which in the end fuels all the negatives of society - fears, perversions, jealousy, envy, anger, etc.

Charisma is enticing - you arise "hope" and "desire" in people. They see something about you, yet they have no idea what it is. What it is is an appeal to their ideals and yearnings: Delving into the subconscious, once again, most people have an inner desire to be appreciated, to be respected, to be liked by all. But most never have this desire quite fulfilled. In the end, they feel that you represent these things and that is the allure.
How long will it last? Practice enigma and they'll never know otherwise. If a person becomes familiar with you, sees you doing day to day things just like everyone else, then you will lose the aura of charisma because you've lost the element of enigma, and with it the element of allure.
Charisma is a strategy; the only way to keep it about yourself is to keep a distance from others, never letting them in your presence long enough to realize that you're just a well-dressed guy that knows how to use poise and confidence to interact with people - a predictable act. Keep the enigma about you and you retain the allure.
And these are the seven elements of charisma.
 
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WHAT'S NEXT?
Charisma doesn't happen overnight. It has to be developed. Your goal then is to focus on each individual element, like "Presence" and "Diplomacy", PRACTICING these elements until you have all seven down. Then PRACTICE using all seven elements in ALL your social interactions. With practice, you WILL GET THEM DOWN TO A SCIENCE. Practice on your co-workers, on your friends, on the store clerk, on the bus driver.... on EVERYONE you come in contact with.
Eventually charisma will come naturally. Then, when you're in contact with women, all your actions will make you seem to be a man of SUPERIOR CONFIDENCE because you'll know exactly what you're doing, and WHAT THE EFFECT WILL BE ON THE WOMEN AROUND YOU. You know how women respond to charisma. Of course not all women will respond positively... Remember, some may already be in long term relationships, or even be suddenly nervous because of your strong presence of charisma. Some people do not know how to react to it. Insecure people often suffer from jealousy, envy, sometimes hate. Recognize who these people are, and disarm them with diplomacy... BEFORE things get out of hand.


Confidence comes in knowing what women respond to. It is up to you then to perfect your skills in charisma with the people around you, before using them on women. Then practice on average-looking women, until you've got them charmed. Once you've got this test-group under your wing, start practicing your skills on the WOMEN YOU TRULY WANT.
Is six months of trial and error worth 60 years of success?
 

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sweet article player supreme
and as for opentoadvice, i believe u should first seek professional advice
secondly, first try to seek out friends who are in a similar situation to yourself, because then they'll feel attached to you

e.g. sit up the back for a few lectures and notice who consistently sits on their own
one day, come in 5 mins late, and sit next to them and just start talking about the subject or lecturer or latest assignment or test
do'nt reveal your name, pretend you already know them. (this is good, not sure why lol (rapport ? ) anyhoo, kinda fantasise about being their best friend for a while, while u scope em out and then when u sit next to em, it'll feel as though talking toa friend). only reveal ur name if it appears that he / she is enjoying ur company, because then they'll associate ur name with a feeling of happiness

u now have a new lecture buddy. make note, shy people such as the one you just approached are still likely to remain shy, and will only open up once u initiate. reason being is they've been hurt before, and do'nt know if they wanna get too friendlty with a stranger - they have to feel the stranger, ie u is interested in them

woot, my first piece of advice

good luck buddy
 

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be less emotional

you are far way emotional and overly considerate then you should be.

focus some time on doing this daily for few months and fight your within being the hundreds of times less emotional, sentimental, and hyper sensitive.

All these things makes you extremely vulnerable and make you a failure with the women.
 

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yeah man i had that thought cross my mind too back in 3 years

I was tired of "friends" using me, playing me, ditching me, etc, I start to become a loner, no communcation with anyone, look down and sad all day, people ask me what's wrong, I just slowly walk away.

Well and guess what? they don't care, they would just be on their way. Guess this is what having no "true friends" like.

Later on having no girlfriend is really painful. I see couples hugging, kissing everywhere, I was jealous of them because I wish there was someone that can be like

she: "hey tom!" *hugs* *kiss on the lip*


*sigh* i even tried to attempt suicides myself several times. I try to choke myself from tieing ropes on my neck. well did I go for help?

NO it was the moments from death, I went by all the memories I had. The heart breaking thing made me stop was the look on my mom's face, I could imagine her crying for me at my grave cermony. and when someone I know is crying, it makes me wanna cry too *damn you sensitive Tom* :rolleyes:

There is always someone out there who loves you, it could be your parents, grandparents, family, friends. Maybe you just didn't notice it.


Trust me, if you suicide today, you will regret it.
I did, I went sleep (past out or tired out) after my attempting.
I woke up with a better day and had changed the way I thought about my life


now 1 year go by


although now I am still no where any better, not too many friends, no girlfriend,kiss,sex, since summer, hell I don't have dates anymore like I use to.

I am happy that I am still alive and getting to know myself a little better day by day

someday I will find the true self, someday... :(
 

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What groups have you joined?

What are your hobbies?

You've got to make your life.

Your way to agressive and needy.

Take a step back and review what you have/have to offer.
 

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Holy hell p_s, why didn't you just link that? probably would have taken less time ;)
 
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friggin 'a! I cant communicate to people let a lone women, I hate life! I WANT TO DI

My final installment on this thread!

1. The first thing you need to do is quit whinning about how miserable your life is. Your a man or man child not a female.

2. Do the got dam boot camp. If you had of done that you wouldn't of wasted our time posting this.
 
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Originally posted by Vincent
Holy hell p_s, why didn't you just link that? probably would have taken less time ;)
Now how would you suggest doing that when the article is only on my harddrive? And no I don't know the source of it.

But I am open to some options that will not entail letting anyone roam through my computer...especially from this site!!!
 

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I have to disagree with p_s' advice to (paraphrasing) "suck it up". Maybe when you are further along. Right now you do need professional advice. You should also look at social clubs, dating sites...anything that will get you out and meeting people. Taking risks socially right now and bombing is way better than taking the solitary route.

Actually it was freaky how much this post mirrored my own experience -- my family moved in grade 9 as well and being in a new city with no friends had a bad effect on me as well. I entered first year of university with severely diminished social skills...it was quite a lonely time. Things started turning around for me in second year (in part thanks to this site) and I'm still learning quite a bit even about basic social interaction (fourth year now). But university changes everyone and it DOES get better. So please go find someone professional to help you so you can start getting out there and hacking away at it. Also the one thing I have learned is that while you are sitting awkwardly in your corner of the room hitting yourself over the head for your lack of social skills, so is half of the people in the room. Everyone is retarded, on some level, in terms of making friends. It is definitely not rare at all. Best of luck and keep us updated.
 

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Originally posted by Player_Supreme
Now how would you suggest doing that when the article is only on my harddrive? And no I don't know the source of it.

But I am open to some options that will not entail letting anyone roam through my computer...especially from this site!!!

Lol! :D
 

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Hello

I myself come from a serious co-dependant family, I mean very sick ppl. I wouldnt mind chatting with you and helping you any way I can I am still working threw my own dependancy and would be more than happy to share some advice, I personally talked to a preacher and he has really helped me, I mean really he totally reached out and helped me threw I would advise finding a preacher they are very wise and willing to help. If nothing else my icq # is 132-257-797. or even PM me.
 

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Originally posted by opentoadvice
This sucks every since I moved to town in 9th grade I've never had any friends, I tried being cool, but tough luck. Now look at me, Im a freshman in college, and I have to be the only person on campus who doesn't have anyone to chat with. F***!!!! I hate it!!! I try to change myself try chatting with people but they just end up walking away from me, or they notice one of there friends and say "HEY!" and run off. And I feel like a dumbass. Seriously I cant even talk to girls just about every girl I've talked too has seemed to show no interest in me, I try my best try to keep eye contact etc. but the s*** doesn't work. I feel like a total dumbass. Im like the dude that has no friends gets to class 15min early because he doesn't live on campus, and ends up with nobody sitting around him. It sucks and the ration of girls to guys at my college is 7 to 1. F***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been totally bad at sports, but I work out about 1 to 3 times a week, so im pretty physically healthy, i try to run 2 times a week, and I dont think Im that bad looking of a guy. Sh** man, when I was in high school I was looking forward to college, thinking people were gonna be different, maybe I could go to some parties, travel, get laid, get to establish nice relationships with people, but no I haven't, I've been living in a fantasy land. This completely sucks. Im already on some form of an anti depressant, but i seriously feel like killing myself right now, putting a bullett through my head. BANG! seriously this sucks its completely ridiculous man, who would have thought that talking to people would be so hard? sh** I even wanted to get laid, HA HA, no such luck. S*** im pathetic. Some people keep saying keep pluggin away, dont let other people bring you down, but even though you have just about failure after failure, its hard to keep your self esteem and hopes high. Lets put it this way i hate myself right now. I'm pretty pathetic. S*** look at me I put this s*** on a message board too in hopes maybe someone might give me some good info. F*** IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
You're willing to put a bullet in your head over some pvssy??

Not that we haven't ALL been at the point in our lives where we've entertained that thought in jest, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

But would you REALLY kill yourself over chicks??

Your problem is:

1) You think women are a lot more important than they really are
2) You let society determine your self-worth for you.

What you need isn't a bullet. What you need is some maturity and self-respect. You need to stop RUNNING from your struggle, or trying to do the bare minimum to escape from it, and instead EMBRACE it.

Because it's the struggles and how we respond to them that make us human. It's the way we carry our crosses that defines who we are...whether we keep trying to shamefully shrug them off or complain about them or try to drag them along, or whether we carry them high over our heads with pride and get stronger for it.

You've got this "get it over with" mentality...you want to just get your social life "good and done and over with" so you can move on to other things. It sounds like you approach other people with this mentality like, "OK, let me just have a conversation, make friends, and get it over with so I can get out of here."

The FUN in friends is not HAVING a lot of them. The fun is IN the association. It's in the rush you feel when talking to them...the anxiety, the excitement, the fear. The fact that you're dealing with a mind and spirit that's different from you and you NEVER know what's going to come out of that head of theirs next.

I know you've heard this "life isnt' a destination, it's a journey" sh!t before, but you really need to think about that.

As far as basic social skills...P-Supreme's posts look like they have value, but I didn't read them through so take waht you can, but social skills can ONLY really be learned by socializing. KEEP TALKING to people and dont' be so concerned that the outcome is going to affect your self-value, but instead look at the outcome, good or bad, and adjust. Evolve.
 

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You Dont have a direction in life..
If there is anything you love doing do it... men without a purpose need others to provide them with validation.... If you dont value yourself no one else will... stay calm.. take a trip... travel.. go to new places and chat up with random ppl...

Ever tried Peacocking? watch for peoples reactions to it....it should be fun.. youll have a blast messing around with ppls realities they will be drawn to you..

BTW peacoking is a Huge Confidence builder.... hoping you have attitude to carry it off..

Read post by SenorFingers in The DJ Bible entitled Weapons of Mass Destruction..
 

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HAHAHA Everyonce in a while there comes somebody who has nothing else to do but revel in Self-pity
OK I Will Say This Only Once
Nobody gives a damn about your problems my friend. Whislt you are brooding in your self pity people are outside in the world having fun.

You think you hurt because people are ignoring you? Do you know ho many people have it 50 times harder than you and keep on?
Dont you have a life?
Get one.... And throw off your damn anxiety. You have family who love you and would be DEVASTATED if you took your life. Whilst those ppl you were trying to imprss would probably just read about it in the obituaries and forget about the next day.
I fyou want to be forgotten by taking your life then go ahead you damn pu**y
You need to get a life my friend all that damn self pity you have because girls dont want to have sex with you, You deserve to take your life them if you will let some people who are probably MORE Insecure than you are take control of your emotions then go ahead.
Ive met girls who have been raped gotten Aids and get kicked out of their house because they were a disgrace to their family... Yet they keep on smmiling in the world.
Join a damn Volunteer Program go to a deprived area
Go to AFRICA and you will see pain struggle marginalisation Then come back on this Damn Site and tell me whether or not the world has made you an outcast and is completely against you
A dog rests on his side crying because he lies on a nail, Yet is too Lazy to get up
In Life happiness isnt given Its Only A matter of Perspective
If you stll feel like taking your life then send some of your stuff to my apartment I could use some extra clothes. Other wise tuffen up. Because tribulations are what make us stronger
Good God Man.....
 

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