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ohrein

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How do you run LTR game without coming across as a beta? Genuine question, I’m curious.
Betas operate from a position of neediness. They put a woman on a pedestal and don't think they can do any better. If you enter an LTR understanding (and actually being) a catch, that you could be dating other women but you choose this girl and then maintaining a masculine frame, you'll be starting an LTR off right. It's essentially being masculine and choosing a woman as an equal to you or less and having no desperation about the LTR.
 

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How do you run LTR game without coming across as a beta? Genuine question, I’m curious.
The question of how to run LTR game is misguided. Not all women operate by the same "need."

IF she's is open sexually, then by all means progress sexually.

If she is running the good ol' "I'm looking to settle/LTR/ a guy who is serious," and you lead with your sexual intent, then you are running incongruently with her need.

1) Ascertain her need;
2) Feed the need.

As how to run LTR game to an LTR girl, give it right back to her, "I'm looking for a serious relation" and direct your actions run congruently.

If you wish to bang a woman (as fast as you can ) who seeks an LTR strongly , let her know upfront your LTR intent. Then proceed with "good sexual partners are few and far between these days. Sex is a very important part of a relation to me. And I prefer not to wait a few months to know that we are sexually incompatible." Be straight in your delivery, as most women will sniff you out before you utter your last word.

Last ... do yourself a favor and drop the alpha/beta dichotomy. Every situation is contextual and requires degrees of both, as needed.
 

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Ha, your commentary made me laugh :)

I’m well aware of how the game has changed, as most of the chicks I bang now are in their early 20’s.

Didn’t understand your 6+ deviations reference though?
Women 6+ SMV mistake being Chad's booty call and Tyrone's gang bang for being on their level. Not real life but, female egomaniac and hypergamy knows no bounds. Its not until SMV plummets or craters, when Chad's stop blowing up her phone, and as the negative feedback loop kicks off a reality check. Its what Rollo deems her Epiphany phase.

Its not for her being a reformed slut or finding God. Its baby rabies. Its her years as a booty call, as a ONS, and her party years are over. Its not that she changed. Its that, she cannot compete. Evolutionarily, women are natty more adaptive then men.

Keep on young blood.
 

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How do you run LTR game without coming across as a beta? Genuine question, I’m curious.
I lead. She follows or next.

You have a flirt. You charm baeeee. You let her know, you got game.

Not in the mood means, #nextSet!

This herein lies why men can't get married. Its swearing away both current and future earnings plus sexual access.

One of the best Playboy I know is 40+ humping hottie's. He's alpha as ****kkk. "Not in the mood" doesn't exist in his world.

Why? Because for every girl who has low libido, low sex drive, there's hotter thinner, younger girls who are ready.

He's an old G. You let a woman know, not in the mood means some other girl is.

If she's not satisfying me, some other girl is.
 

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He's saying women have inflated egos, probably due to social media and dating aps, because women confuse easy access to sex with being high quality.
E standards are absurd. Its funny because of how hyper sexualized women are but how low sex drive a lot are. Likely its due to anti depressants and other issues.

Anyone who's spent any time dating on OLD has seen the scores of these very average women who have an attitude of being better than 80% of men (those are the Tinder stats) as a result.
"As OK Cupid has demonstrated, women rate 80 percent of men below average."


http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2011/06/vox-at-alpha-game-dont-listen-to-female.html?m=1

Its funny what women pedal through victimhood when in fact, its due to sociopathy.

Promo of proud single mom. High kill count. Female logic. Low socioeconomic status. Absurd major like liberal arts. Massive debt. Feminist.

Lack of free thinking. Its only after her best year's are through, its victimhood time. Its baby rabies. Its her salvation.

What he's saying does have some truth, I've experienced it on dates myself. Women around thirty with nothing going on in their lives and attractive but average looks who are on a date with me and expecting me to be impressing them, acting like princesses. I had one turn up twenty minutes late because she was talking to her friend. She was very obviously aging, had no hobbies and was just looking for a baby daddy. Normally I wouldn't be so harsh about a person but she just had this arrogance that was there and she had no reason to have it. I'm not the best looking guy, most women rate me at around a 7, but I have a wealth of hobbies and a decent job with a great future, I do charity work etc etc. She did nothing but turn up late and talk about wanting kids. Anyway, I made her pay for my drinks and had a decent chat. I feel sorry for her because I think there was a decent person in there and she deserves the chance at the life she wants but she really needs to have something to offer.

Anyway, that rant went way too long.
I am noticing more from women and the old saying about couples fighting over finances. It'd hypergamy.

Any woman 30+ has been riding the carousel. Its a given. Its not up for debate. Any man dating cratered SMV is trying to turn a ***** into a house wife.


My initial attempt to pickup, game, DJing was to find a wife.

At 30, I see the errors of my way. Its being a simp. Its following the beaten path. Its playing House with Chad's booty call.

There's no bounds to female egomaniac and hypergamy.

I am not 100% sure but. Tinder and bumble dating apps cannot scale if they do what its supposed to do. A buddy of mine sets off the prerequisites aimed at top form SMV. No doubt, cratered SMV is slipping through regardless. Its no coincidence.

If you keep a 80:20 Pareto distribution, its incumbent that, beta male provider will keep society orderly raising Chad's baby or marrying Chad's booty call. Playing House with Tyrone's gang bang.
 

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How do you run LTR game without coming across as a beta? Genuine question, I’m curious.
I think I can take this one. While it was a good guess on guru1000's part, I actually didn't drop too much sexual innuendo during the date(s) (if at all).

I treated her as a perfect gentleman did, while being assertive with the little things (taking the lead while holding her hand, calling the shots when it came to ordering, going in for the kiss earlier than later, etc.).

By the time the date was coming to a close, she was showing signs of sexual interest (rubbing my leg, leaning in to kiss, etc). That's when I put my foot on the gas and suggested we grab a drink at my place.

So I think you can run LTR game without coming across as Beta as being a gentleman, yet being very assertive and manly in your own way. Then when she starts to show signs of physical interest/sexual interest, that's when you can turn on the sex game.

Just make sure you're ready to perform, unlike I was :)
 

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A few things.

1. You shouldn't drink enough to give you ED problems, thats poor prep.

2. Carry an emergency pill just in case

3. The text the next day was too much, but tbh it was probably kaput by then.


I've actually had a very similar experience with a chick who knocked my socks off but I drunk way too much and couldn't get it up, I played it off pretty smooth but never got a second chance. It's just not a good look.
 
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