Freddie Gray's death ruled a homicide; 6 Baltimore officers charged

[Stagger Lee]

:yes: this cop agrees 100 %. It sickens me to see cops act they way they do sometimes. I'm still fact gathering this one but at this point it's not looking too good for these officers. Every suspect you arrest no matter what you're arresting for has rights.. and officers need to treat them with a certain level of respect no matter what. If officers are unable to exercise restraint and do that then they need to find another job..that's my opinion .

But is there any evidence here that any of the 6 officers didn't treat Freddie Gray with respect or didn't exercise restraint? As far as I can tell Gray was banging his head in the van and eventually injured himself. The prosecutor is claiming Gray was injured sometime/somehow inside the van. So as a cop you should be prosecuted for murder because the irate prisoner banged his head while being transported ?

PS when Embers goes off scripted copy and paste and ad libs it, he really goes berserk with strawman, name calling and accusations :crazy: . Scary :woo:

 

[speed dawg]

Embers84, do you even know the true definition of a right winger? If not, I'll illustrate it in pictures:

Number One

Number Two

Number Three

Get this through your skull you dumbf*ck. There are no "right-wingers" in the United States. You have posted that phrase like 800 times and don't even know what the h*ll it means.

You are a child.

 

[Jaylan]

But is there any evidence here that any of the 6 officers didn't treat Freddie Gray with respect or didn't exercise restraint? As far as I can tell Gray was banging his head in the van and eventually injured himself. The prosecutor is claiming Gray was injured sometime/somehow inside the van. So as a cop you should be prosecuted for murder because the irate prisoner banged his head while being transported ?

PS when Embers goes off scripted copy and paste and ad libs it, he really goes berserk with strawman, name calling and accusations :crazy: . Scary :woo:

Wheres your evidence that Gray injured himself? This has already been debunked...and the officers also cannot keep their story straight.

There's no evidence that Gray injured himself. And that so called witness who was back there with him has even corroborated this. Which is totally opposite of that story floating around conservative hack blogs.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...sts-prisoner-police-van-donta-allen-baltimore

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/...the-van-with-freddie-gray-breaks-his-silence/

In other words, so called reports about Freddie Gray injuring himself were bullsh!t meant to remove blame from the cops.

:yes: this cop agrees 100 %. It sickens me to see cops act they way they do sometimes. I'm still fact gathering this one but at this point it's not looking too good for these officers. Every suspect you arrest no matter what you're arresting for has rights.. and officers need to treat them with a certain level of respect no matter what. If officers are unable to exercise restraint and do that then they need to find another job..that's my opinion .

All cops should be like you. Sadly there are some hateful and racist ones on the force. Ever take a gander at TheeRant...a well known NYPD cop forum? There are a couple of other general cop message boards online with posters that make cops look pretty bad. Though TheeRant takes the cake. You should have seen some of them applauding what the cop in South Carolina did.

I'd hope those clowns arent really cops though

 

[Stagger Lee]

Wheres your evidence that Gray injured himself? This has already been debunked...and the officers also cannot keep their story straight.

There's no evidence that Gray injured himself. And that so called witness who was back there with him has even corroborated this. Which is totally opposite of that story floating around conservative hack blogs.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...sts-prisoner-police-van-donta-allen-baltimore

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/...the-van-with-freddie-gray-breaks-his-silence/

The other prisoner's conflicting story whether he heard Gray was trying to hurt himself doesn't debunk anything. The medical examiner and the state's attorney have said Gray was injured while inside the van. We have no evidence yet that anyone else caused him the injuries while in the van during transit.

medical-examiner-freddie-grays-head-injury-occurred-inside-police-van

What we do know is that he did not sustain them from the various videos that captured his arrest. Sources have told WJLA–a CNN affiliate– that the medical examiner’s report showed that Gray's head injury occurred inside the van during transit (via WJLA):


An investigation into the death of Baltimore resident Freddie Gray has found no evidence that his fatal injuries were caused during his videotaped arrest and interaction with police officers, according to multiple law enforcement sources.

The sources spoke to ABC7 News after being briefed on the findings of a police report turned over to prosecutors on Thursday.

Sources said the medical examiner found Gray's catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van.

Details surrounding exactly what caused Gray to slam into the back of the van were unclear.

The officer driving the van has yet to give a statement to authorities. It’s also unclear whether Gray’s head injury was voluntary or was a result of some other action.

 

[Jaylan]

Lmfao...your own link disagrees with your previous post. Did you even read it?

You have said in several posts, including your second to last post, that Gray injured himself. Now you post links saying "its unclear" what happened. Jeez bro. Just admit you were wrong, and that your bias led you to jump to unfounded conclusions.

And I repeat...the idea that Freddie Gray injured himself has already been debunked by several reputable new sources. Please read updated news. No one is running with the "he may have injured himself" story except for biased right wing sites.

Plus Im trying to understand how a man who was barely moving, and definitely didnt look like he could move his legs, somehow got the strength to sever his neck inside a van.

Really?

EDIT - Diversify your news sources. Because everything you seem to link in any thread comes from right wing sites. Funny how you call yourself an independent but nearly everything you link comes from conservative sites (even if they happen to re-link from other sources)

 

[Stagger Lee]

I've said for all anyone seems to know so far Gray injured himself. Since the medical examiner and prosecutor have said Gray was injured in the van, until further evidence is presented then him injuring himself is a likely assumption. You and Embers like to create strawman. Your bias is that cops must have injured him somehow and somewhere. Where's the evidence?

The sources from my past post was ABC news. The source for the other prisoner hearing gray banging his head was the Washington Post. So try again.

 

[Jaylan]

And the Washington Post has already been widely debunked across the net.

How about you try again. Start here...the BPD commissioner doesnt even back that bs Washington Post story.

http://now.snopes.com/2015/04/30/freddie-gray-injured-himself/

Read through all of that. The cops cant get their story straight...and it makes it seem like they are trying to cover their asses rather than get the truth out.

So if the BPD commissioner is saying the 2nd prisoner stated that Gray was quiet...why should I believe the Washington Post when they have been slammed and debunked across the net already?

Also: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/30/doubts-freddie-gray-injured-himself_n_7177356.html

"WBAL's Jayne Miller told MSNBC that the Post’s story was “inconsistent with what we reported.”"

So the BPD originally reports and says one thing...then leaks some bunk to the Washington Post later? Because thats certainly what it looks like.

 

[Stagger Lee]

All right, you don't understand anything or are intentionally lying just to try to discredit. The link I posted says essentially the same thing your snopes link does. You don't even have a point. Whether or not the other witness changed his story about what he heard in the van when his identity was revealed to the public is mostly irrelevant.

The medical examiner and prosecutor have stated Gray was injured while in the van and struck his head on a bolt. How and who injured him? And don't give me muffington post, then complain about conservative news site. Pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Tenacity]

Embers,

This is the problem with these discussions, we can't have an honest discussion about differences within our culture. Just because we share the same "skin color" does NOT mean we share the same values.

It comes down to personal choices and the choices you make in life DETERMINE what type of life you will have, and if you will be a "Black Person" or "Black Trash".

For example, "Black People" have the following issues:

- Paying back student loan debt
- Keeping their credit clean
- Keeping their debts down
- Making sure they keep getting promotions at work
- Making sure they save for retirement
- Making sure they participate in their local community and work to build it
- Making sure they make smart investments for their children and legacy
- Making sure they workout and eat right
- Managing healthcare costs
- Making sure they stay OUT of trouble


"Black Trash" have the following issues:

- Having to deal with the Cops constantly, because they are consistently doing DUMB SHYT

- Having to deal with Judges in Court constantly, because they are consistently in front of them for doing DUMB SHYT

- Having to deal with raising 5 kids alone on welfare, because they are consistently doing DUMB SHYT like having kids by Tyrone and Bo Bo

- Having to deal with bill collectors calling their house every hour of the day from strange 800 numbers because they NEVER pay their bills

- Having to deal with eviction notices from their Landlords in PROJECT HOUSING UNITS because despite getting a subsidy they STILL can't afford the $200 monthly rent payment

- Having to stand in the long welfare line to get more welfare

- Having to wait until "the first of the month" to get their EBT deposits, which means if they run out of food on the 28th then they will have to STARVE for the next two or three days.

- Signing up for "free college" just to get the Stafford Student Loan Check, then dropping out of College and using the loan money to buy drugs and drinks.

- Having to go to funeral after funeral after funeral of a friend or family member who got "shot down out hur in dem streets son"

- Living generation after generation after generation in the FVCKING ghetto because getting a higher education and making a career plan is "acting white".


In Conclusion

Embers, let me break this down to you. I'm NOT Freddie Gray, we don't have SHYT in common other than our skin color and that is a stretch because I'm actually brown skinned.

You keep mentioning the fact that I'm black, thus, I'm subject to the same potential police treatment as Freddie Gray? Sir, Freddie Gray was caught in the act of selling drugs and had a long list of prior arrests, police aren't going to be "nice nor kind" with a convicted drug dealer (which makes him a criminal, also makes him a thug).

Tenacity doesn't sell drugs and the worse thing that I do is speed. When I'm pulled over I'm very professional with the Cop and after they run my license, I'm usually told to just "slow down" and no ticket is written.

Tenacity and Freddie Gray are BOTH black, but Freddie Gray gets fvcked up by the Cop and Tenacity doesn't, why is this? It's because Freddie Gray was BLACK TRASH and Tenacity isn't.

And that's the reality you guys don't want to discuss, you are disingenuous as hell with your "we are all black and all in this together" bullshyt. I'm not in SHYT with Freddie Gray, or Mike Brown, or Eric Garner, or Troy Davis, or any of these other CRIMINALS you guys want to march for.

I'm my own man, with my own independent mind. I'm an American. I have American goals. I don't see myself as a minority, or oppressed by White Supremacy, or any of that other bullshyt. I see myself like everybody else, that there's a ladder of opportunity standing in front of me and either I'm going to make the right choices in life to climb it...or I will make the wrong choices and fvck up my future.

If that makes me racist, or a sell out, then so be it.

 

[Embers84]

Well when you have the state's attorney acting on politics and over-charging especially overcharging the driver, the cop driving and his family is going to turn on the other cops and black cops turning on the white cops. Liberals cause division. The state's attorney claims Gray was injured in the van due the driver giving a rough ride. But do you even watch the video you post? Even this person is blaming the mayor, state's attorney, rioters etc mostly.

There are no politics involved here when the State's attorney is doing her job based on a murder investigation. When a person of any color is murdered in police custody, there is an investigation of the cops. That is standard procedure, but you right wingers act like it's something new and biased against cops. Right wingers like you are causing the division with your stereotypes of blacks even before all the evidence is out there. Claiming Gray is a thug therefore he is guilty and killed himself and the cops are innocent. Claiming affirmative action is the only way the black Maryland officials got their jobs, even though the citizens of Baltimore and the state of Maryland elected them to their positions. That's how stupid you are. And also implying they are playing politics against white cops because they happen to be black. Right wingers like you are causing this division with a white vs black race card, when the rest of us want real answers to what happened. You just continue with your racist stereotypes and anti liberal mantra, with no facts, but biased opinions that have been either debunked or are totally outrageous.

You keep mentioning the fact that I'm black, thus, I'm subject to the same potential police treatment as Freddie Gray? Sir, Freddie Gray was caught in the act of selling drugs and had a long list of prior arrests, police aren't going to be "nice nor kind" with a convicted drug dealer (which makes him a criminal, also makes him a thug).

Tenacity doesn't sell drugs and the worse thing that I do is speed. When I'm pulled over I'm very professional with the Cop and after they run my license, I'm usually told to just "slow down" and no ticket is written.

Tenacity and Freddie Gray are BOTH black, but Freddie Gray gets fvcked up by the Cop and Tenacity doesn't, why is this? It's because Freddie Gray was BLACK TRASH and Tenacity isn't.

Actually, it's you who makes the point of telling us you are black in almost every thread hating on other blacks and posting racial slurs about blacks. As a black man yourself, you can be subject to any kind of racism by racists, just like the same blacks you hate. Do you think you're above it all just because you believe a certain way? A racist is going to hate you because of the color of your skin regardless, and you're an idiot if you think otherwise. Do you think neo nazis think Herman Cain is a great guy? They hate him just the same as other blacks even though Herman hates most blacks too. Herman is still subject to racism by racist who don't like him. To them he is one and the same, and they don't care how he thinks or how he behaves.

Again, a racist cop that doesn't know who you are isn't going to give a sh1t. He is going to assume you are one and the same with his racist beliefs. He will think of you just like you think of other blacks, calling them a n*gger, and thinking you are trash like them. He is going to think you are up to no good and you will be subject to racism. Plenty of decent black men were harassed and beat up by racists cops just because they were black. They were simply walking down the street and were accused of loitering or falsely accused of committing crimes when they weren't. You could walk by a jewelry and peer in the window looking at a watch. A racist cop or store owner can confront you and accuse you of trying to rob the place or steal the watch simply because you are black. If your answer isn't good enough, he can arrest you like many men have been. You could match a description of another man who committed a crime. A cop can arrest you on just that alone if he wanted to. You are very naive, if you think that this can't happen or won't happen to you or another black man when racism exists.

Embers, like all proglib droolers, you confuse exercises in confirmation bias with 'research', contradiction with discussion and your knee jerk regurgitation of proglib thoughtvomit with intellect.

Old man is ranting again. That's why everything you claimed I proved you wrong with stats and source quotes. You have nothing to counter it with except for incoherent ramblings and insults. Did you forget about how many times you were wrong? Here, let me refresh your cloudy memory on a couple.

lowest labor participation rates.

The Current Labor Participation Rate
62.70 percent in March of 2015

The Lowest Labor Participation Rate Ever
58.10 percent in December of 1954.

Are your eyes that bad to read or are you too stupid to understand numbers? 58.10 is the lowest. Not 62.70. 62.70 is higher than 58.10. Your claim is wrong old timer. Going to insult me again?

The referenced poll is from Syracuse University's Maxwell School of Public Affairs. That you cannot read it (without your lips moving) or understand it (because your brain left your head long ago) is your problem.

http://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

Blue States are LESS Dependent on The Federal Government

REPUBLICAN 33.2

DEMOCRAT 18.2

of the 32 States which receive more than they contribute, 27 States (84%) are REPUBLICAN

of the 18 States which contribute more than they receive, 14 States (78%) are DEMOCRATIC

Source of Tax data is: taxfoundation.org/research/show266.html based on 2005 data

Election data is from CNN.com based on 2004 Presidential election.

Several sources including an independent company and Gallup debunk a biased poll that you look to for your propaganda.

When all you can find to support your bullsh*t lefty fantasies are old LA Times articles, you really ought to give up.

There were no lies, there were no false conditions. There was the United Stated Government acting Constitutionally.

"It turned out that the sourcing was inaccurate and wrong, and in some cases deliberately misleading, and for that I am disappointed and I regret it," Colin Powell said in May

Instead the George W Bush White House abused his good reputation to give the push for war much-needed credibility.

The claims were made by Lawrence Wilkerson, Powell’s former chief of staff, in an angry and revealing interview.

He spoke out after the main source for Powell’s report justifying the Iraq invasion which he presented to the UN Security Council in February 2003 admitted he made the whole thing up.

‘I have some serious doubts, I think there was some manipulation of this material and some outright lying.’ Asked if the office of former Vice President D!ck Cheney manipulated Powell into giving a speech, he replied: ‘Absolutely. Absolutely.’ He added that Colin Powell had the credibility that none of the others had because he was a war sceptic surrounded by hawks.

‘The were using him,’ Wilkerson said.

Remember that old timer? Proven wrong by Government Data Stats and by two Generals in their own words debunking the right wing propaganda you parrot. But still you rant like an old delusional fool with rambling insults. Do you have any facts to counter this or are you still going to rant like an idiot?

Get this through your skull you dumbf*ck. There are no "right-wingers" in the United States. You have posted that phrase like 800 times and don't even know what the h*ll it means.

You are a child.

Actually you are one, and you are proving that right here with your comments. Right wingers like you call liberals "left wing", "sh!tlib", "libtard" or whatever buzzwords you can think of. But that is ok, since you and your ilk says it right? Right wingers are extreme of what Republicans used to be, and you are promoting right wing extreme views. True conservatives call the fringe and Tea Party clowns right wing. Therefore, that makes you a right winger in the real conservatives own words.

 

[logicallefty]

Time to exit stage left everyone. Thread closed.