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I see, I'm not going to go back and forth as I'm not the type to start arguing back and forth when its not productive at all. I personally didn't like the DJ bible nor Pook's stuff. (Yea there may have been bits here and there but overall it wasn't worth it)
smooth guy said:
Lol get real dude, you sound exactly like ElStud. So when she said don't touch me, that's a **** test? She didn't want you to touch her because she wasn't comfortable enough with you to start touching her already. You got it the 10th time. Well after ten times it's common sense she by then would feel comfortable with kino...right? Screaming and yelling anytime you went by was probably her way of flirting, not a **** test! I did read some of the bible and some stuff Pook wrote. Maybe I got the wrong idea here, if flirting is called **** test in the dj world.
This is the way I seen it
Sh!t Test - She's laughing and giggling, I kino and she says something despite laughing
Uncomfortable - I try to touch her and she pulls back, tenses up, or any other physical sign of discomfort
I don't listen to what the chick says, I listen to what she does. I'm the type of guy who likes to test stuff out and push it as far as possible. The chick screaming/yelling I consider a congruence test because she is trying to throw me out of state and trying to stop me from doing what I'm doing. Overall she is trying to see if I'm congruent to what I convey. I seen another friend try to talk to her and she'd do the same thing and he'd get made and mess himself up.
smooth guy said:
You approached dozens of times and got in sets and and finally got it. Well congrats to you. See this is where you're different with the stud over here though. Mr. stud's approached probably triple times than you, he does NOT succeed.
To me he doesn't do much approaches for a newbie. Back when I first starting out I was doing 10-15 approaches each time I go out. Then it slowly started going down to 1-8 approaches a day due to time in set being longer and longer.
smooth guy said:
That is isn't the problem though, the problem is that he takes no advice from ANYBODY.
It could be true, but you gotta take in account the low # of approaches he's doing and the amount of advice he is getting.
smooth guy said:
No I don't approach and I never said I did pal.
This is what I was pointing out which is why I was saying there is no way to actually say it was fake or not because without actual field experience its impossible to say certain things are fake when it may be quite common because you haven't actually got into PU. Like you said your used to talking to people in general. The depth of pickup is pretty deep as far as seeing the sub-communcation of a interaction and all the other social dynamics going on. So yea certain things may sound like BS, because I came in from the same standpoint of already being able to talk to people in general. Certain stuff I know and done now, I wouldn't have believed back then.
smooth guy said:
Funny you would put me on the list of the people who get a boost flaming other people.
I'd have to generalize due to the sh!tload of guys who are actually wasting there time. Which is actually why I don't really reply much at more. At the end of the day its everyone's own life. If they want to waste time diking around in a PU forum to feel good and be a E-Pimp then so be it.
Really I just do my own thing, spit advice to those who are atleast trying and move on. Whether they use it or not is up to them because I know majority won't do it.
If your not a guy diking around on a seduction forum then cool, I made a mistake. At the end of the day its a random guy on a forums who thinks your flaming other people. So longs you truly know what you do then everything is cool.
smooth guy said:
So don't go making judgments and giving me your **** because I found that story to be unreal. It might be real, my bad, maybe that actually happened. Yeah, so what?
My point was that you don't actually approach to actually see the things happening. It's like me trying to tell a random guy that a girl is giving him a congruence test. Such things they can't see because they don't actually learn Pickup. Whether they've been getting women or not, majority of them have no clue what the hell that is.
The way I see it is if there isn't nothing good to say then don't even bother replying to the dude. If everyone did that then his posts wouldn't have much attention. (lol, yes I seen the stickied drama post, one of the dumbest things I've seen on this site)
smooth guy said:
It's deja vu all over again. Maybe I'll start posting my everyday interactions with people - maybe that'll show that I know what I'm talking about!!
He isn't going to be a pimp over night...heck there were people who were going out 2-3 times a week for a year straight before they even got there first cold approach kiss. Some people just happen to be in worst states coming in this than others. You can't really compare people's process because there all coming from different standpoints. I could careless if it took him 10 years to even get a #, so longs he is actually out there then I'll try to help.
Plus who wouldn't want to talk to chicks regardless if they get laid or not. The sh!t is alot more fun than playing video games or talking on a SEDUCTION Forums.