FR: Being random seems to work very well.

[Igetit!]

It would be easier to help you with your approaches if you could give us a example of your approach style. And I mean a complete account,starting with what you say to her,to gauging her responses. If the entire sarge can be seen from start to finish,everyone here will be able to take a better look at what is actually going on,and give you some constructive advice to etter help you out.

 

[true romance]

Elstud

You are a study case at sosuave...you are right you can say anything you want with confidence but remember what is the end goal...dating, get lay..

so make sure you conduct your conversation to ensure that you keep the girls interested for a 2nd date..not flaking you when you call.

if this is your goal is to get number then you done very well.

Do you ask yourself why the girls flake?

imagine if a girl open up on you with UFO, and she see ghosts and she call you Crazy Guy and she ask for you number..would you go out with her?

 

[Mandiblard]

Great thread, there are a lot of babies here, I was surprised by the comments. Who CARES if he actually pulled it off or not? It doesn't MATTER, what he's saying is still true. Go ahead and try something like it. Go on. Do it.

"that's so stupid"
"that would never work liar"
"yeah right"
etc.

All the words of people who not only haven't tried it, but would never even CONSIDER it, and are offended at this very "invasion" of their mindset. Grow up and learn. I think one important reason why something like this can work is that girls just like to have fun. They want a ride, with no excuses needed.

And another thing lol, girls are actually more into Nintendo and Yoshi than guys. More than 50% of DS owners are female.

 

[Single_Sucks]

Besides, as of today and tommorow I've already planned 2 dates with girls I've called.

Great, well, get back to this thread after you've been on the date. I'm sure we're all waiting to see how it goes for you man.

 

[GaryUranga]

El Stud, those girls were not interested, they wanted to get rid of you so they gave you their numbers/fake numbers, theyll flake, you have no idea how to read social cues, you have what Id call delusional weird guy confidence, not the good kind, no one has said sh*t about words in this thread yet you come up liek a moron sayign "theyre hating on me cause they care about words" while holding your weiner and wankign to internet porn, dude go back to the drawing board, REALIZE what beign a cool person means then come back to build yourself around a good base, right now youre just layering "confidence" around what is already a sh*t self-image.

 

[zzeitgeist]

I think most people here are right. Its not about people hating, its about you doing it wrong.

Yes your right, you can get a number by doing a dance, by being boring, by being silly, by talking about dungeons and dragons(you can get a number doing any kind of approach) but if these don't lead to anything than you need to stop and rethink what your doing.

I haven't been following your posts but according to some people in this thread you approach all the time but what is your close rate? what is the success rate? I bet its low as fvck.. I am not talking about numbers here, anyone can get a number these days but I am talking about follow up dates.

Regardless, if you play the numbers game eventually you will land something so at least you have that going for you and I respect that but I think you can easily increase your success rate by simply toning down on the immature grade 5 stuff... replace with sexual tension, eye contact, right tone of voice and BAM I am willing to put money on the fact it would help you succeed much better than your current Yoshi approach.

Words still matter, its absurd to think they don't... if your going to experiment with being random give yourself a fighting chance and experiment with other much more proven techniques.

good luck friend.

 

[theunflushables]

Elstud, here's an exercise for you to try to show you what you say matters to an extent. Next girl you approach, say to her in a way like you're joking "I've been following you for the last couple of weeks, and if I can't have you, I'll haul your lifeless corpse into the woods and violate it!"

See who's ass is getting pounded that night. Here's a hint for you: It will be yours. In prison.

Like others have said, you can be random, but making Yoshi noises? Did you also make the noise Mario makes when going down the pipes?

Next time tell them that you are wearing your magic underwear that gives you +20pts. Longevity.

Man, I'm being too harsh on you. You're right, you know everything there is to know about seducing women. I am so glad you have graced us with your presence. Please save us, for we know not how to sleep with women.

 

[MikeYikes122]

Alright, this is the last time I'm going to post something serious and well-intentioned on an ElStud thread. Too many times in the past have I written something only to come back to find he has either ignored me or tried to make fun of me.

El Stud you have fans...

I've spoken to El Stud many times, I'm actually the one who told him to try saying random stuff for the purpose of self-amusement and you know what the kid actually went out and tried it as an experiment...

The thing is, the last thing you should be telling ElStud is that he needs to cold approach more. He should first call all these numbers that he has accumulated, and then he should STOP cold approaching altogether.

With his current disposition, he has no need to be cold approaching, at least not in the traditional sense of walking up to a random girl on campus and saying openers - even if they are random or experimental in nature. Like all the other college guys on this board, ElStud doesn't need to be cold approaching, he needs to be building his social circle, making friends, meeting girls in his classes, going to parties with his new friends, then meeting girls there. Then, if he wants to random approach a few chicks at one of those parties, by all means. He'll have a much better chance of getting a "Day 2" because he'll have some social proof at these parties, provided he goes with his friends and meets some other girls.

Heck, if he wants to cold approach in one his classes, that is fine too. I think all the college dudes on this board should be actively meeting chicks in class as well. Just sit down next to one of them one day and get some casual conversation flowing. You can tell immediately if she is up for getting to know you. This is a perfect setup because you don't have to go out on a date with her to develop rapport and get to know her. You can chat her up before and even during class. You also could easily partner up with her if you're in a class where group work is assigned.

Get your game tight and I promise that girl will be melting for you.

It really is that easy.

College gaming is not such a complicated system that a guy needs to be testing elaborate cold approach tactics to get laid. Make friends, meet girls with them and get laid. Pretty simple.

GaryUranga said it best on this thread, and I repped him for it. ElStud needs to learn to be the cool guy. The cool guy who gets laid has a good social circle and makes friends easily. But the guy who walks up to girls and makes Yoshi noises does not get laid. Of course, the counter argument is that the guy who makes Yoshi noises has balls and doesn't give a sh!t. But then again, if he's not getting laid, shouldn't he give a sh!t?

The thing about this kid is that he is going out...there are many who are probably hating on him, when there are MANY on this site who don't go out. I've hung out with many community guys and I'm constantly surprised at how many DON'T go out and atleast try.

True, but many of us don't need to go out. In fact, I have a confession to make. I don't cold approach in public at all anymore. Sure, I will hit up some chicks at a bar or a club, but rarely will I approach in public. Maybe if I'm on a bus and an attractive girl sits down next to me, I will kick up a convo. It's only in situations like that where I will do what could be considered a daygame cold approach.

I stopped cold approaching in public a little while back because I no longer needed to. My social circle has grown greatly in the past three or four months, and I've gotten the hang of gaming girls in bars/clubs in the new city I live in. These methods are generally much more successful and produce the least amount of flakes, so why fvck with cold approaching during the day?

ElStud and other guys his age are in a similar situation, providing they go to a big school where there is a social scene. They can make friends, develop a social circle and meet girls in social situations, like at parties or in class even.

Clearly, there is absolutely no need to random approach or practice daygame at a big college. And this is where I think SoSuave misleads a lot of guys who are in college and in high school. There's simply no need walk up to random chicks in public and spout openers out when it is so easy to develop a social circle and meet girls through it.

Cold approaching is reserved for the loner kind of guy who is in his mid-20's to late 30's and has no friends and no feasible way of making them. That guy has to go to a place like a bookstore or a mall and cold approach because he has no other venue to meet women. For that kind of guy, it's either that or he swallows his pride and signs up for an online dating site.

Even guys who dedicate their lives to approaching women in public have to deal with an insane amount of flakes. My point is, why fvck with that when you clearly don't have to?

 

[jahidi]

Great post Mike. For every idiot like ElStud who rejects your input, there are 100 college guys like me who read and apply what you say, and are proving you to be right.

Keep trying to give him advice because I'm sure lots of guys are finding it useful, even if he just ignores it.

 

[ElStud]

El Stud, those girls were not interested, they wanted to get rid of you so they gave you their numbers/fake numbers, theyll flake, you have no idea how to read social cues, you have what Id call delusional weird guy confidence, not the good kind, no one has said sh*t about words in this thread yet you come up liek a moron sayign "theyre hating on me cause they care about words" while holding your weiner and wankign to internet porn, dude go back to the drawing board, REALIZE what beign a cool person means then come back to build yourself around a good base, right now youre just layering "confidence" around what is already a sh*t self-image.

Translation of this post: Blah blah blah blah blah blah I wasn't there but I know the girls weren't interested blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah I assume you don't know how to read social cues. Blah blah blah, go back to the drawing board because your approach style isn't the same as mine. Blah blah blah I don't know you, but your self image must be sh*t based off nothing.

And another thing lol, girls are actually more into Nintendo and Yoshi than guys. More than 50% of DS owners are female.

This is true. But people make dumb ass stereotypes. Like just because a chick isn't hot she can't be into video games. BS. I've met hot chicks who are very much into video games. So the stereotype that all video gamer girls are ugly is a false and ignorant one made by geeky gamers who get no ass.

Elstud

You are a study case at sosuave...you are right you can say anything you want with confidence but remember what is the end goal...dating, get lay..

so make sure you conduct your conversation to ensure that you keep the girls interested for a 2nd date..not flaking you when you call.

if this is your goal is to get number then you done very well.

Do you ask yourself why the girls flake?

imagine if a girl open up on you with UFO, and she see ghosts and she call you Crazy Guy and she ask for you number..would you go out with her?

Depends on the subcommunication... is the girl being fun? You also have to realize that women work differently from men. This is why women are more emotionally attracted and guys are more sexually attracted. So it all depends. Then you have to consider that a female actually opening up a convo with a guy is very rare. And because women are more emotionally attracted and men are more attracted by physical things, the "random" thing probably won't work the same way if a girl does it, just because men aren't emotionally attracted.

 

[GaryUranga]

and you get lots of ass dont you, ElStud

you have a big blind spot on your ego, and itll take a long time of failures for you to realize this, you dont take constructive criticism and you keep coming across online liek some creep ass dude, I cant imagine what youre comign across as live, I dont care what anyones style is, results will prove if it works or not, like MikeYikes said I have my social circle with which I meet girls, they basically flow thru my life, I cold approach but I barely ever have to only if I see a hot girl who I have no wya of meeting thru the social circle, so on that point out "styles" are not that different, but Im cool about it, a cool guy can use the yoshi thing and make it come across as cool, you are not a cool guy.

 

[ready123]

Cold approaching is reserved for the loner kind of guy who is in his mid-20's to late 30's and has no friends and no feasible way of making them. That guy has to go to a place like a bookstore or a mall and cold approach because he has no other venue to meet women. For that kind of guy, it's either that or he swallows his pride and signs up for an online dating site.

I disagree. Cold approaching to me is just an extension of a confident social personality. It's as simple as realizing you can talk to anyone you want, anytime you want. You don't need to be reliant on situational factors (having your social circle around to up your social value) or listen to social norms tell you that you're only allowed to talk to people at venues like bars and clubs. Basically, you don't need permission to talk to a girl or whoever the hell you want. You're totally in control of your own reality.

And in the process of doing it, you habitually step outside your comfort zone until you're at ease around everybody, learn firsthand most people are friendly as long as you're not creepy, and you gain a ton of reference experience

And one thing I totally don't get is how come people on this board assume it's harder to cold approach than it is to meet a girl in a bar or club. In a party environment, you're dealing with lower comprehension level, a loud ass environment, girls that blow you out in seconds based on initial impressions, and practically every girl there will have a cckblock whether its her male cousin or her fat friend who isn't having any fun. And when it comes to flaking, you're gonna have to deal with the huge discrepency in energy level between when you met the girl in the club and when you call her for the day 2. A cold approach in a bookstore is fvckin CAKE compared to a club

You guys having more flake issues on a cold approach than a club approach, I have no clue why, it makes no sense to me. You guys are probably coming across creepier than you think

 

[(JJ)]

i don't know elstud, or have anything against him, but i kinda have a question or two for him.

1. do you feel like all you get is haters on here?

2. if so, why do you bother posting? it seems like after a while you'd just try to improve on your own considering all the negative responses you get

 

[MikeYikes122]

All that is well and good ready, but you're 29. A 29-year-old is more representative of the demographic of males that should be cold approaching. ElStud is 18 and in college. There's absolutely no reason for a guy his age in his situation to be cold approaching. At the very least, he should be cold approaching occasionally, only the girls who catch his eye. Under no circumstances should cold approaching in public be his only venue for meeting girls. There are just too many other good ways at his disposal for him to be meeting girls. I desperately want him to take advantage of them because, when he gets to be in his mid-20s, social life won't be as easy to create. Nor will there be as many quality girls who are his age.

But since ElStud isn't even going to bother considering anything I've written and your post was more of a theoretical dissection, all that is moot. Though, I will still respond to your post for the sake of discussion.

I disagree. Cold approaching to me is just an extension of a confident social personality. It's as simple as realizing you can talk to anyone you want, anytime you want. You don't need to be reliant on situational factors (having your social circle around to up your social value) or listen to social norms tell you that you're only allowed to talk to people at venues like bars and clubs. Basically, you don't need permission to talk to a girl or whoever the hell you want. You're totally in control of your own reality.

There's a big difference between actively cold approaching and being able to cold approach. A strong, confident male should be able to talk to a girl who catches his eye. I'm capable of doing that, and so are many of the other guys who think daytime game is worthless unless you absolutely have to do it. So your point about me needing a social circle to talk to a woman is moot. Same with the point you made about me thinking I need permission to talk to a girl.

In my opinion, you begin to take control of your own reality when you first experience some success. Say for example, a guy starts prizing himself and spinning plates for the first time, and girls start lining up for him accordingly. That's when it really first clicks for a guy. It's then that he takes control of his own reality and realizes that women don't really have the upperhand in the dating game. It's then that he sees that he shouldn't feel guilty about hitting on a girl or approaching one in public.

And one thing I totally don't get is how come people on this board assume it's harder to cold approach than it is to meet a girl in a bar or club.

People on this board assume that day game is harder because it is harder. There's nothing to discuss; it really is just a proven fact. The guys who dedicate their lives to being able to do this stuff in public venues even experience flakes. Doesn't Mystery have something like a 10 percent flake ratio?

Flakes are abundant in cold approaching because the girl isn't expecting to be hit on, whereas at a bar or a club, she is most likely there to meet guys. From an obvious standpoint, a typical girl at a bookstore or a mall could be married or in a committed relationship. Even if she isn't, chances are she's just not mentally prepared to talk to a guy who is a total stranger. I don't care how you're approaching her, whether it's with direct game or with an opinion opener.

At a bar or club, there is also a good chance you could make out with the girl you're approaching or you could dance with her or do something that creates some sort of sexual contact. That should leave a lasting impression on her - enough so that she would be eager to spend time with you again.

Now, I'm not saying a guy shouldn't bother with cold approaching in public. If you see a girl you're attracted to, you should talk to her. Or, if the nightlife scene in your area sucks or you don't have a lot of friends to go out with, cold approach in public till you experience some success. Play a numbers game. You're bound to plow through all the flakes at some point.

In a party environment, you're dealing with lower comprehension level, a loud ass environment, girls that blow you out in seconds based on initial impressions, and practically every girl there will have a cckblock whether its her male cousin or her fat friend who isn't having any fun. And when it comes to flaking, you're gonna have to deal with the huge discrepency in energy level between when you met the girl in the club and when you call her for the day 2. A cold approach in a bookstore is fvckin CAKE compared to a club

This is all relative man. We're arguing apples and oranges now.

I've only ever been blown out or completely shotdown in a bar or club a couple of times, and they were both times when I was so sh!tfaced I barely even knew what I was saying. The fat girl friend and even the older brother can be dealt with, you just have to know how to disarm them.

A cold approach in public moves wayyy too slow, so slow that you can't generate enough rapport and attraction in the short amount of time that you're talking to the girl. This is one of the reasons why flakes are so abundant. The girl basically has to go out on a date with a complete stranger. All she knows about this guy is that he is an interesting guy, he is a hell of conversationalist and that he is physically attractive - that is if you are a good looking dude.

It's the complete opposite in a nightlife setting. The interaction speeds itself along, and often you can escalate fairly quickly, going from an opening line, to some fluffing, to some kino, then to dancing or even making out. In that short time period, you've already accomplished a date worth of escalation. This is why ONS's happen in bars and at clubs, not at the bookstore.

You guys having more flake issues on a cold approach than a club approach, I have no clue why, it makes no sense to me. You guys are probably coming across creepier than you think

This is complete bullsh!t though. I experience flakes because I'm coming off as creepy? That is laughable.

C'mon man.

To be completely honest with you, I don't believe for one second that you or anyone else who solely uses daygame are as successful as a guy who uses his social circle or the nightlife to meet women. I'm not trying to call you out or anything, I'm speaking from my experience of my own and from talking to other posters on this site. No one experiences an abundance of success from cold approaching in public. It really is just that simple.

 

[SharinganUser]

Are you still using this Yoshi approach?