Fought

[KiLLer]

I fought today with someone in a street fight. Needless to say I lost, because I had slow reaction and I can't take pain like my opponent could.

Obviously he and I knew that he's stronger but noone knew who was faster, the fought showed that I was faster but weaker, I hit him many time in the chest, shoulder, temple, anywhere with my elbow and fist (I have bruises now..). The thing is I thought anytime someone hit you in the temple, you would immediately or soon faint. That was the first thing I went for but he didn't get KOd. I got him many time but he didn't seem to get hurt. He just fought back like mad and said to me after I got on the ground "just give it up!" with his feet on my chest and his hands on my hands with his free hand about to punch me.

What is a good way to build up "defense" or "fortitude"?

 

[wheelin&dealin]

It looks as though the time has come for you to invest in a heavy bag.

 

[Don-Wan Kenobi]

KiLLer,

Thank you for your post, it took some guts and you have my respect... just don't get into any more fights unless you are forced!

When I was in grade school, I found myself in a similar situation. One week, I punched a kid in the face so hard he bled from his eyes, nose, ears, and mouth. Thought I was tuff. The next week, some bully attacked me from behind and I turned around and smashed him in the head... he just laughed. I said "excuse me" and walked away feeling like a p ssy.

About fighting: I have talked to many amateur boxers who have told me that in training you "learn" to take hits but that you cannot build a chin. In other words, getting punched in the gut hurts a lot no matter how many times you have been hit before. Getting punched in the gut is more psychologically traumatic for someone who has never been punched as opposed to someone who anticipates getting punched, however, it's still gonna hurt. When I asked the boxers how they dealt with this, they all said the same thing... don't get hit

As far as becoming a better fighter: eat, lift, get in shape, and invest in some grappling courses (get the bag too cuz it's good to know how to strike). It sounds like your fight ended on the ground. Most fights end this way and not in knockouts, like we see in superheavyweight bouts. Watch some ultimate fighting championship reruns if you need further proof. The skinny dudes who know how to grapple (anyone named Gracie) tend to end more fights than the boxers, kickboxers, and kung fu dudes.

I'm no expert so I'd appreciate this discussion kept alive.

DWK

 

[Tareef]

Don't take what you see in movies as true. Most fights will end on the ground, unless you are extremely good at staying on your feet.

Now as far as styles are concerned, a good striking style, and a good grappling style is all that is needed.

A good combo would be Tai boxing and jujitsu.

Being big in a fight does not mean squat. I've seen smaller guys take out huge guys twice there size. There are some things to consider, any time you face somebody your adrenalin starts pumping and you may forget martial training, Blocking a strike hurts( real bad even bruises), high kicks are usually easy to aviod so don't use them(unless you're dismounting off a horse), Understand why you are fighting and ask if it's worth it(most of the times it's not),Just because you trained in this or are faster or stronger then someone does not gaurantee you to win a fight, and finally if you see a gun or knife run.

 

[Ricky]

Look up TRS ( i think that is the name) it is a fighting website, they sell tons of martial arts tapes.

 

[misunderstood??]

If you learn how to grapple well you will beat the average joe. The bigger, stronger and heavier you get the better you're odds will incrase too. The thing with grappling is when most people fight they see the whole boxing, punch for punch picture in their heads, if u take them to the ground where most aren't comfortable or familiar you'll stand very good odds, especially if u are too heavy for them to move and you are too strong for them to move around. I recommend to fight on the ground the majority of the time. You could spend 5 years in boxing adn still get schooled on a regular basis in a stand up fight just because everyone practices that or you could spend 5 years in jui-jitsu and you'd be a force to be reckoned with. Hope I helped.

 

[Mercury21]

I was a blue belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu before I joined the army. Then when I signed up with the special police and border guard unit, guess what was the first thing they taught us? Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu!! Well, after spending almost 3 years on active duty military, and rising up to purple belt( 2 down from black) I came back to civilian life and got my first taste of "civi" combat after 2 weeks. I was at a club where another Jiu-Jitsu buddy of mine works the door. I was chilling outside with him, just talking when this group of bulldozer looking guys came up wanting to get in. At first they were cool, but then when one guy didn't have his ID on him, my buddy refused to let him in. The guys kept on arguing and getting more and more frustrated. Cutting to the chase, after about 3 minutes of voices getting louder and noses getting closer, one of these dudes(there were 3 of them) ***** slapped my buddy on his cheek. He immedietly reacted by taking him down, while I jumped on the one closer to me. I subdued my guy from the back with my arms, while I managed to pull the 3rd guys leg ligament with my feet....a very painful feeling. There were no cops around, so after they settled down, we let them go and they just took off! All textbook Jiu-Jitsu manuvers.

Definently take Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu if you want to learn how to take people down in self-defense, and do it fast.

 

[Drug_L0rd]

Originally posted by Mercury21
Definently take Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu if you want to learn how to take people down in self-defense, and do it fast.

VERY true, my respect goes out to you Mercury.

i myself do boxing and i feel that nothing and i really do mean NOTHING teaches you how to punch like boxing.

almost NOTHING will teach you how to kick like Muay Thai.

and finally almost NOTHING will teach you how to grapple like Brazillian Jui Jitsu, don't take normal Jui Jitsu but Brazillian Jui Jitsu.

i am a hard core fan of the UFC and i love it, anyone else here watch it? since i do not have any local clubs near my house that teach BJJ, the only way i can learn is by watching the UFC/pride/lion's den, etc and i practice some of these moves with my friend.

if you had enough time to cross train BJJ, with boxing with muay thai then you will be a hell of a fighter.

 

[Mercury21]

Yeah, I watch UFC to. The Brazilians are of course my favorites! I would do anything I could to get into a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu class. I currently train/teach part-time at Carlos Machado's academy here in Dallas,TX. Carlos is Brazilian(of course ) and has numerous world champions. Along with his 4 other brothers who are champions as well, they are regarded as one of the best families in the world when it comes to fighting. There are students who come as far as 2 hours away just to train 2 times a week at the academy. But that effort pays off. Especially when we all take trips down to Brazil one a year for international seminars! I swear, if there is a place I could call heaven on earth, it would be Brazil! The women, the friends, the food, the people......I'm suprised more people don't know how incredible that country is. I definetly have to move out there!

 

[KiLLer]

To everyone-
Big thanks for the response, I'm definitely going to invest in a punching bag and a pair of glove. About taking boxing and BJJ I'll think about it, budget is very tight.

wheelin&dealin-
Thank you for telling me about the punching bag. I went to Modell and looked, I got confused about which to buy, some told me buy heavy some told me buy light, should I buy a 100+ lb. or lower? Does it actually make a difference?

Don-Wan Kenobi-
The fight was pretty short and I was also expecting to win.
Seems like one with muscle and know-how-to fight usually win.
I have also spoke to a friend of mine who's a boxer, he told me the same thing! Seems to me that if you don't get hit, you will never learn to take pain, then why not learn to? I believe it's impossible you don't get hit, I just can't imagine a street fight where this person know how to not get hit (unless he run) and still beat the guy with a knock out or something.
I also think that learning a defensive art like Wing Chun (sticky hands come to mind...) will make you a much better fighter. The dummie is very good for blocking and a bag is good for striking.

Tareef-
I died trying to take your advice, I kept telling myself before I go to sleep: "the movies aren't real...".
It came to me when I am finally enlightened to see the difference between actually fighting and movie.
Why would you run from a guy who has a knife anyway? Just find a way to take out the knife off his hand and take him down. I would give my money but I would hurt him, I don't believe in something for nothing.

Ricky-
Nope, I don't know what you mean neither. I don't think you can learn anything from the fight except a bit of experience, if that's what you mean, then why not watch UFC? Thanks, if you find out what it is, let me know.

misunderstood??-
I had a friend who does chinese police grappling (actually he meets me once a year so...) and he taught me some technique whereas they work against bad guys who try to fight back.
From where I see, he said most of the baddies strike with a knife or punch. He would just take him down with what he learned and the baddie would just scream "AH!" and get stuck with a handcuff. Pretty awesome if you can learn something like that. But what's better?
A powerful striker who can knock someone out in one hit or a grappler who can make you not move with one hand?

Mercury21-
I've had that in my head for a LONG time. It's pressuring me that nobody in NY teaches BJJ and nobody here practices any art. Believe me, in NY it's either you get jumped by many people or you get left alone. When you took BJJ how was it? Did they train you for the basic strength and speed first or did they get straight to the techniques?
In real fighting compared to people fighting in UFC (or K-1, whatever ring in this case) are extremely different. The floors are hard in the street and soft in the ring. The opponent can be carrying a gun or a knife.
I've a friend of mine who got stabbed in the solar plexus with a knife when he (a black sash BJJ) got him down.
Now I still prefer striking extremely hard...
I'll see, tight budget is killing me.

Drug_L0rd-
I watch UFC as many grapplers win but I find that also people like Tank Abbot, Tito Ortiz, and especially Igor are strikers and strikers like these are usually going to win against grapplers like Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock.
Also it's known that the bigger you are in the street fight, the more risk your put yourself. If you were a heavy striker and I'm a good grappler, one hit in my stomach and face would land me on the floor and I won't have the time to get close to you.
I'd go for both.

Again thanks.

 

[Soshyopathe]

Sounds like you hit like a girl. The heavy bag will do you wonders.

 

[KiLLer]

Originally posted by Soshyopathe
Sounds like you hit like a girl. The heavy bag will do you wonders.

No, I punch, not slap.

I'll get a bag as soon as I make up my mind on which to get.

 

[Soshyopathe]

100 lbs or more. And canvas if you want to harden your knuckles.

 

[KiLLer]

Soshyopathe-
Will it still harden my knuckles if I wear gloves?

 

[Mercury21]

The point of Jiu-Jitsu is to take the guy down, sub due him and impair him from making anymore movements. So he probably wont even have an opportunity to reach for any weapons, but if he does you have to know how to get away from it, or get stabbed!

From the very first day you already start training with the other guys of all levels. In the beginning, you will be taken care of more than usual, taught all the little techniques, and get your blood flowing. But everyday you learn something new, no matter how good you are. Its the most realistic fighting you can train, because unless you are boxing in a ring, most fights will end up on the ground anyway, and if they don't, thats where you want to get your opponent. And on the ground, nobody can beat bjj!

 

[wheelin&dealin]

Originally posted by KiLLer
Soshyopathe-
Will it still harden my knuckles if I wear gloves?

Wear gloves.

You don't want huge caluses on your knuckles.

 

[wheelin&dealin]

One word of warning:

If you use a heavy bag, you will turn into a "snap show". You will want to use your new boxing skills to fight anyone. I think it must increase your testosterone levels quite a bit because I was a maniac after training with a heavy bag. I wouldn't back down from anyone at anytime. Seriously...

This isn't a good thing because you could get your ass kicked if you pick a fight with the wrong guy. Don't let your boxing skills go to your head. Just play it cool, and if you end up in a fight then let your skills do the talking. Don't go around acting like you're a tough guy just because you box.

 

[Soshyopathe]

Originally posted by wheelin&dealin
Wear gloves.

You don't want huge caluses on your knuckles.

Even the Shaolin monks who practice the iron fist technique have calus on their knuckles that only come out .5-.75 inches. What he will get from the heavy bag is NOTHING compared to them. It will harden your knuckles without getting huge and nasty.

If you can't take the canvas for the first few months, warm up on it with no gloves, then put gloves on for the rest, but try to work up to doing an entire routine gloveless.

 

[Drug_L0rd]

if you don't want arthritis or you want to still be able to pour yourself a glass of water a couple of years down the track without spiling half the water on the table i recommend you protect your hands well. the knuckles will get harder by themselves.

if you want to try something extra do knuckle pushups since there's no impact with them on a hard surface.

it's up to you

 

[Soshyopathe]

Oh please, wearing gloves will have no effect on whether you get arthritis or not. Just keep your hands strong, and you'll be fine.