For the unattractive guys

[The Forms]

Nota Bene: The following post is written within the context of initial attraction. It does not apply to keeping a girl long term. It is about getting a girl interested in you INITIALLY. After that, you're on your own.

The game isn't the same for all of us. its actually different for each person. But, in the end, its nothing but underlying principles that are common for everyone. I'm going to tell you how I see it right now.

There are two major types of guys out there (with gray areas, of course). Those two types of guys are:

1) Attractive guys, and
2) Unattractive guys

The game is different depending on if you're attractive or unattractive.

When a girl meets an attractive guy, in her mind she's thinking either a tentative "yes," or at least "OK" in terms of dating him. Looks count more than girls let on. But we all know that.

However, when she meets an unattractive guy she's thinking "no. Not gonna happen buddy. sorry. we can be friends. Let me introduce you to my friend Bertha."

So when a good looking guy meets a girl his game is mostly dependent on him not ****ing it up (remember, we're talking initial attraction). As long as he has enough game to not **** it up, he's doing fine.

That's why you hear (attractive) guys say things like, "its ALL about confidence." The only guys who simply being confident works for is attractive guys. If you are unattractive, there's more to it than that. Girls aren't blind. You're not all of a sudden a greek god simply because you project confidence.

A girl isn't going to see some 400 lb behemoth and say, "oh, he's sexy. He's SOOO confident I just want to bang the living crap out of him. I don't care if his weiner doesn't stick out from his body because he has 5 inches of fat covering his groin. I know he's probably got heart conditions, but DAMN I love confident men. That's all that matters to ME" That's not the way these things work, friend.

Good looking guys like to think that the game is a lot more complex for them (initially) than this, but in the end, all they REALLY have to do (in the initial attraction stage, that is) is not **** things up too bad. If you're attractive all you have to do is not change her "yes" to a "no."

Now, she won't just GIVE you her number because you're attractive. You DO have to talk to her and establish rapport. However, if you meet her, get along well, don't come off too AFC, and then say, "hey, I need to get going, so write down your number, and I'll give you a call" then you're doing OK. I'm not saying that women line up in droves to sleep with every single attractive guy, but they don't put up as many road blocks for good looking guys, either.

If you're good looking a girl WANTS to like you. She sees an attractive guy, and WANTS him to be funny and nice and confident and smart and overall a prospective boyfriend. So as long as you project these characteristics even in modest amounts, she'll amplify this in her mind and give you her number.

Now, what if you're an unattractive guy? What if you ARE that 400 lb behemoth? Or you have some sort of serious physical deformity? When she meets you, she's thinking "no" from the get go, right? So there's more to it than just "not ****ing it up." You actually have to CHANGE HER MIND. You have to change her "no" to a "yes" (or at least a "maybe").

So you unattractive guys should ask right now, "what do you do to change her mind?" and I'll tell you. . .

I have no idea.

Really I'm just writing this so you understand that if you're unattractive, and telling yourself, "girls just don't like me because I'm not super confident all the time" or "I need to learn patterns to get a girl" you're lying to yourself (or, at least misinformed). If you are unattractive its not JUST a matter of confidence. I've met plenty of unattractive guys who are confident. Who don't get laid (by the girls they WANT to be laid by, at least). I've also met a lot of attractive guys who don't get laid either. But that's primarily because they either A) don't approach, or B) **** it up

I'm not saying that unattractive guys NEVER get laid, or meet amazing girls and date them. I'm saying that the amount of game required for these unattractive guys is greater than for attractive guys. Girls aren't blind. They prefer attractive guys. No duh.

Now that you know this, it should change the way you interact in the world of dating. If you're overweight (more than just a few pounds, that is), understand that this is working against you. She is not initially physically attracted to you, so you have to have much more game than if you we're more lean.

And there are corollaries for all the other ways you can be unattractive.

So the best thing to do is LESSEN the amount of unattractiveness you have. If you're overweight, go to a gym. If you have acne, clear it up. The more you can lessen your unattractiveness, the less you have to worry about having a lot of game. Which means you're more likely to just be YOU, instead of some game spewing pick-up monster. Which is really what she's going to keep her around AFTER this initial stage anyway.

You still need to have game, but the more attractive you can make yourself, the better off you are.

 

[Scrumtulescence]

So you unattractive guys should ask right now, "what do you do to change her mind?" and I'll tell you. . .

I have no idea.

That should have been the beginning of your post.

 

[Smooth Player 056]

Looks mean nothing man. You at least need to be around average looking...and you can pull HB 10's.

I agree if your deformed or really hideous...it will be much harder...but if your average in looks you can pull models.

Want proof? Look at all the PUA gurus.

~Smooth

 

[Scrumtulescence]

You don't need good looks, but if you think a good looking guy with game doesn't have it easier in general than a mediocre or below average looking guy with game, then you're kidding yourself.

 

[Juan_Man]

I think the unattractive guy has the advantage. There's no pressure because the girl is not into him. Guys are more confident when there is no pressure. Girls are attracted to confidence. I think you can figure out the rest of the math.

 

[qweretyuiopas]

Originally posted by The Forms
Nota Bene: The following post is written within the context of initial attraction. It does not apply to keeping a girl long term. It is about getting a girl interested in you INITIALLY. After that, you're on your own.

The game isn't the same for all of us. its actually different for each person. But, in the end, its nothing but underlying principles that are common for everyone. I'm going to tell you how I see it right now.

There are two major types of guys out there (with gray areas, of course). Those two types of guys are:

1) Attractive guys, and
2) Unattractive guys

The game is different depending on if you're attractive or unattractive.

When a girl meets an attractive guy, in her mind she's thinking either a tentative "yes," or at least "OK" in terms of dating him. Looks count more than girls let on. But we all know that.

However, when she meets an unattractive guy she's thinking "no. Not gonna happen buddy. sorry. we can be friends. Let me introduce you to my friend Bertha."

So when a good looking guy meets a girl his game is mostly dependent on him not ****ing it up (remember, we're talking initial attraction). As long as he has enough game to not **** it up, he's doing fine.

That's why you hear (attractive) guys say things like, "its ALL about confidence." The only guys who simply being confident works for is attractive guys. If you are unattractive, there's more to it than that. Girls aren't blind. You're not all of a sudden a greek god simply because you project confidence.

A girl isn't going to see some 400 lb behemoth and say, "oh, he's sexy. He's SOOO confident I just want to bang the living crap out of him. I don't care if his weiner doesn't stick out from his body because he has 5 inches of fat covering his groin. I know he's probably got heart conditions, but DAMN I love confident men. That's all that matters to ME" That's not the way these things work, friend.

Good looking guys like to think that the game is a lot more complex for them (initially) than this, but in the end, all they REALLY have to do (in the initial attraction stage, that is) is not **** things up too bad. If you're attractive all you have to do is not change her "yes" to a "no."

Now, she won't just GIVE you her number because you're attractive. You DO have to talk to her and establish rapport. However, if you meet her, get along well, don't come off too AFC, and then say, "hey, I need to get going, so write down your number, and I'll give you a call" then you're doing OK. I'm not saying that women line up in droves to sleep with every single attractive guy, but they don't put up as many road blocks for good looking guys, either.

If you're good looking a girl WANTS to like you. She sees an attractive guy, and WANTS him to be funny and nice and confident and smart and overall a prospective boyfriend. So as long as you project these characteristics even in modest amounts, she'll amplify this in her mind and give you her number.

Now, what if you're an unattractive guy? What if you ARE that 400 lb behemoth? Or you have some sort of serious physical deformity? When she meets you, she's thinking "no" from the get go, right? So there's more to it than just "not ****ing it up." You actually have to CHANGE HER MIND. You have to change her "no" to a "yes" (or at least a "maybe").

So you unattractive guys should ask right now, "what do you do to change her mind?" and I'll tell you. . .

I have no idea.

Really I'm just writing this so you understand that if you're unattractive, and telling yourself, "girls just don't like me because I'm not super confident all the time" or "I need to learn patterns to get a girl" you're lying to yourself (or, at least misinformed). If you are unattractive its not JUST a matter of confidence. I've met plenty of unattractive guys who are confident. Who don't get laid (by the girls they WANT to be laid by, at least). I've also met a lot of attractive guys who don't get laid either. But that's primarily because they either A) don't approach, or B) **** it up

I'm not saying that unattractive guys NEVER get laid, or meet amazing girls and date them. I'm saying that the amount of game required for these unattractive guys is greater than for attractive guys. Girls aren't blind. They prefer attractive guys. No duh.

Now that you know this, it should change the way you interact in the world of dating. If you're overweight (more than just a few pounds, that is), understand that this is working against you. She is not initially physically attracted to you, so you have to have much more game than if you we're more lean.

And there are corollaries for all the other ways you can be unattractive.

So the best thing to do is LESSEN the amount of unattractiveness you have. If you're overweight, go to a gym. If you have acne, clear it up. The more you can lessen your unattractiveness, the less you have to worry about having a lot of game. Which means you're more likely to just be YOU, instead of some game spewing pick-up monster. Which is really what she's going to keep her around AFTER this initial stage anyway.

You still need to have game, but the more attractive you can make yourself, the better off you are.

Great fuc*ing post

 

[The Forms]

Smooth player: I'm sorry man, but saying that looks mean NOTHING is a ridiculous claim. Though it is true that attraction works different for women than men, it is patently untrue that a woman does not care AT ALL how you look. Looks DO matter (but they aren't ALL that matters). Furthermore, that that was the only reply you had to my post shows that you didn't really understand what I was getting at. I was going deeper than, "hey guys, do you think looks matter to a lady?"

Juan man: I don't think you quite got it either. Yes, the unattractive guy can have confidence. However, if a girl isn't attracted to him, she isn't attracted to him. Confidence ALONE won't fix that. Hence the 400 lb confident guy example in my post. Still, if you have game you can find a way to make her attracted to you. It just isn't as easy as it would be if you were more attractive.

Now, obviously being confident is good, and will only help you. However, that's not ALL there is to it.

Also, you had the tacit assumption that the guy who is good looking is under pressure from the girl. I don't quite get why you felt the need to include this.

If everyone reads this for what it says, then you will see that I'm not saying unattractive guys can't get laid. I'm saying that those unattractive guys have a:
A) different, and
B) harder time
when dealing with girls. The way the girl you meet sees you as a potential boyfriend is different. You have to do things differently than a better looking guy.

So, in the end, the best thing to do is LESSEN the amount of unattractiveness that you have. That way, its easier for you than it is right now.

 

[sstype]

Originally posted by Smooth Player 056
Looks mean nothing man. You at least need to be around average looking...and you can pull HB 10's.

~Smooth

Sure, keep telling yourself that

 

[Alphathree]

God, this website is so useless lately.

Look, this post is a load of crap.

Man, you have NO IDEA how scrawny I am. Seriously. Women can beat me up.

I have and continue to date very attractive, very high quality women.

They'll make fun of me about my (lack of) muscles and I'll just say with a smile, "Look, I know my biceps turn you on, but you can stop staring at them, geez!"

It's never, ever, ever been an issue. Ever.

It's true that if you're grossly overweight or you have missing teeth or something, that might be an issue. But generally you just need to be within the normal boundaries of appearance, and hopefully take some time to dress and groom yourself.

I could explain the evolutionary biological reasons for it if you wanted...

A very brief explanation is this: women like men with high social status, and a man's social status is only slightly affected by the way he looks.

 

[tmpgstx]

My intent with this reply is not to brag by any means but will tell you it can be tough for attractive guys also.

I've heard and been told (by girls telling friends) or when they're drunk that i'm "really, really hot" or "extremely handsome".

Let me give you a bit of a background - I have a degree in Computer Science, my own business, really good job, my own nice place and top-end sports car. I'm also a very good conversationist, funny and charming, and quick witted. I also have alot of experience with women both in LTRs and ONS. I also work-out alot and resemble a competition body-builder (though i don't compete professionally).

In high school had girls fighting over me and others thought i was good-looking and intelligent but too arrogant for them. Since, i have been humbled and become a much better person for it. I went through a period of being over-weight. I got back to the gym and now look better than ever.

I'm starting to get alot of attention again, but this time i can tell i'm intimidating to some girls. It's like they can look but can't touch (or they feel that way). I'm approachable but only get approached when they have some liquid courage. I'm not into ONS anymore so rule that out and the clubs aren't the place to be looking for LTRs. Women at work talk about me saying how attractive but then the one i want is really nervous and shy around me.

It's getting them comfortable and less intimidated is what i have to work on now. Having them be nervous also makes you nervous more often than not - think that's what Juan man was referring to. If they're not intimidated, you're much more laxed as well.

 

[solo1]

Originally posted by tmpgstx


It's getting them comfortable and less intimidated is what i have to work on now. Having them be nervous also makes you nervous more often than not - think that's what Juan man was referring to. If they're not intimidated, you're much more laxed as well.

Great post btw. I agree completely tmpgstx. usually if the girl is shy/nervous around you, it surprisingly happens to the best of us.

naturally i have a much easier time conversating and being myself around women who also do the same (or open up to me easily). And for those girls who are shy/aloof, i become more careful with what i say to them..perhaps fear of offending them? Anyway i've figured im going to give up on shy/aloof girls completely, because theyre not worth it getting anxious over. And nor do i need to be another victim of their mixed signals, because they fear of showing their true colors.

Generally i dont believe there is such as thing as game. But the primary elements of game that every DJ should have is as i reiterate is:
Confidence, self-assurance, high self-esteem, great personality, suave guy, ambitious, passionate about things in life, and motivated, can make people laugh and laugh/smile at the same time at himself.
Generally put, an optmistic guy that loves life and isnt afraid to show it.

In addition to the OP, i do agree that the good looking bloke will require less "game" than the unattractive man. Because the general impression of good looking people are: successful, quality genes, and lovable...etc.
Seeing as how first impressions immediately give you social status, it would make sense why he would require less game.

So for those who are bad dressers, smell and are fat or out of trend, turn it around and improve your life all around.

 

[tmpgstx]

And nor do i need to be another victim of their mixed signals, because they fear of showing their true colors.

This is a good point. I know girls are often self-conscious and feel that if the object of their affection knew the 'real' them, they would jet and leave them for someone else. I guess you could say this is why some girls considered by many to be very attractive date 'ugly' guys - as to control them.

It's in their minds eye that if a guy is great looking to them that he'll leave once knowing the real her. Women look at it from a relationship (future together) point of view with a guy they like that way. A guy doesn't much care, he justs wants her. He doesn't give a rat's ass about the future if he likes her. He lets the future work itself out, not before its time.

 

[Vandermast]

Interesting post The Forms. Just out of curiosity... do you or have you ever visited the www.seducingwomen101.com website? If not, then it's also interesting to realize how similar your point of view, opinions, observations, and conclusions are to that website even though you came upon yours all by yourself. That website does go into a lot more detail but it's striking close.

I agree with your idea. To those of you that didn't see it clearly, I think The Forms is saying that if you aren't attractive then there are things you can do to make yourself a little more attractive to women so that your 'game' with women will be a lot more easier than what it isfor you right now. That's all.

 

[thederekeffect1]

It's all about confidence.

 

[LeviathanIYG]

I don't want to rain on anybodies parade but looks do count for something. If you look down right ugly I mean googely eyed fat ass buck tooth mother ****er like ugly then she won’t even give you the time of day.

Bottom line

-If you’re fat lose weight
-If you’re skinny put on muscle
-If you got pimples get some cream
-You got ****ed up hair GET A DAM HAIRCUT

It's not rocket science you look the best you possibly can and you be confident you will get p*ssy left right and center.

Looks don’t matter that much you don’t need to be a Calvin Kline model. This doesn’t mean a homeless man with some DJ skills will score a date with Jessica Alba.

 

[Don Donovan]

Nota Bene: The following post is written within the context of initial attraction. It does not apply to keeping a girl long term. It is about getting a girl interested in you INITIALLY. After that, you're on your own.

The game isn't the same for all of us. its actually different for each person. But, in the end, its nothing but underlying principles that are common for everyone. I'm going to tell you how I see it right now.

There are two major types of guys out there (with gray areas, of course). Those two types of guys are:

1) Attractive guys, and
2) Unattractive guys

The game is different depending on if you're attractive or unattractive.

When a girl meets an attractive guy, in her mind she's thinking either a tentative "yes," or at least "OK" in terms of dating him. Looks count more than girls let on. But we all know that.

However, when she meets an unattractive guy she's thinking "no. Not gonna happen buddy. sorry. we can be friends. Let me introduce you to my friend Bertha."

So when a good looking guy meets a girl his game is mostly dependent on him not ****ing it up (remember, we're talking initial attraction). As long as he has enough game to not **** it up, he's doing fine.

That's why you hear (attractive) guys say things like, "its ALL about confidence." The only guys who simply being confident works for is attractive guys. If you are unattractive, there's more to it than that. Girls aren't blind. You're not all of a sudden a greek god simply because you project confidence.

A girl isn't going to see some 400 lb behemoth and say, "oh, he's sexy. He's SOOO confident I just want to bang the living crap out of him. I don't care if his weiner doesn't stick out from his body because he has 5 inches of fat covering his groin. I know he's probably got heart conditions, but DAMN I love confident men. That's all that matters to ME" That's not the way these things work, friend.

Good looking guys like to think that the game is a lot more complex for them (initially) than this, but in the end, all they REALLY have to do (in the initial attraction stage, that is) is not **** things up too bad. If you're attractive all you have to do is not change her "yes" to a "no."

Now, she won't just GIVE you her number because you're attractive. You DO have to talk to her and establish rapport. However, if you meet her, get along well, don't come off too AFC, and then say, "hey, I need to get going, so write down your number, and I'll give you a call" then you're doing OK. I'm not saying that women line up in droves to sleep with every single attractive guy, but they don't put up as many road blocks for good looking guys, either.

If you're good looking a girl WANTS to like you. She sees an attractive guy, and WANTS him to be funny and nice and confident and smart and overall a prospective boyfriend. So as long as you project these characteristics even in modest amounts, she'll amplify this in her mind and give you her number.

Now, what if you're an unattractive guy? What if you ARE that 400 lb behemoth? Or you have some sort of serious physical deformity? When she meets you, she's thinking "no" from the get go, right? So there's more to it than just "not ****ing it up." You actually have to CHANGE HER MIND. You have to change her "no" to a "yes" (or at least a "maybe").

So you unattractive guys should ask right now, "what do you do to change her mind?" and I'll tell you. . .

I have no idea.

Really I'm just writing this so you understand that if you're unattractive, and telling yourself, "girls just don't like me because I'm not super confident all the time" or "I need to learn patterns to get a girl" you're lying to yourself (or, at least misinformed). If you are unattractive its not JUST a matter of confidence. I've met plenty of unattractive guys who are confident. Who don't get laid (by the girls they WANT to be laid by, at least). I've also met a lot of attractive guys who don't get laid either. But that's primarily because they either A) don't approach, or B) **** it up

I'm not saying that unattractive guys NEVER get laid, or meet amazing girls and date them. I'm saying that the amount of game required for these unattractive guys is greater than for attractive guys. Girls aren't blind. They prefer attractive guys. No duh.

Now that you know this, it should change the way you interact in the world of dating. If you're overweight (more than just a few pounds, that is), understand that this is working against you. She is not initially physically attracted to you, so you have to have much more game than if you we're more lean.

And there are corollaries for all the other ways you can be unattractive.

So the best thing to do is LESSEN the amount of unattractiveness you have. If you're overweight, go to a gym. If you have acne, clear it up. The more you can lessen your unattractiveness, the less you have to worry about having a lot of game. Which means you're more likely to just be YOU, instead of some game spewing pick-up monster. Which is really what she's going to keep her around AFTER this initial stage anyway.

You still need to have game, but the more attractive you can make yourself, the better off you are.

Quoted for thruth. (And yes, I registered just to say that. Maybe I'll stick around a little)

Everything that can and will be written on the subject of seduction deals with the 'after' attraction part. There's no miracle trick to get a girl initialy attracted to you. She either is or she isn't. All you can do is try to make yourself as attractive as possible.

Unfortunately for a few of us, "as possible" will never be very high. And neither will the caliber of girls we can pull off. But err.. that's the "game" and everyone has to play by the "rulez" or something.

 

[Jay-X]

some time ago i got to know this 17-yr-old boy, who's overweight (not obese, but you can definetely see a huge stomach underneath his clothes), pretty short (not more than 5'10, but looks even shorter, since he's fat), with BAD acne. he's also failed his last year in high school and is repeating it with younger kids.
he lives in the country, but his parents won't buy him a car or even a scooter, so he has to drive some kind of a... i don't even know how to define it, but it's something really poor

anyway, he's EXTREMELY arrogant, but ultra-confident. he works as a PR in the most popular club in town (remember he's just 17) and gets free-entries and drinks for everyone he wants, besides some good money. when i met him for the first time, he claimed his new girlfriend was a REALLY HOT BABE. i didn't believe him and i thought she were maybe a 7.

yesterday i met them downtown... she was a stunning beauty... a 9, maybe... i was shocked, but i understood that looks mean a lot... if you don't have something really big going on

 

[sapphire]

Actually, in many respects, the average looking guy (not ugly) has the advantage. Why? Because, as was alluded to, he seems that much more approachable and less intimidating than the supergood looking model/bodybuilding types. Good looking guys are also presumed to be arrogant and so that is one barrier that needs to be overcome. It is analogous to the times you see a really hot looking chick but write her off and instead go for her less attractive looking friend. Why? Because you have this preconcieved notion that she is conceited or already taken. I think the same concept works with many women.

I don't mean to brag, but I have been told many times that I am a really good looking guy, but I do no better in picking up women than my average looking friends and can count only a handful of times when a chick actually approached me. Just last night at a club, some pretty hot looking girls totally ignored me and went for some guy I can only describe as average looking but who nonetheless appeared outgoing and established alot of social proof as he was surrounded by other guys and girls.

To that end I see multitidues of average joes with pretty hot looking women all the time.

So, unless you are seriously deformed in some way, my experience suggests that looks don't really matter that much in the end and that social status, as perceived by a woman whether it be through social proof, wealth or other means, trumps looks almost all the time.

 

[GropeDope]

Seriously...wtf is the point of this thread?
I usually ignore utterly useless threads like this one, but I'm hoping the flaming I'm about to bestow upon his a$$ will be for the better so he doesn't make the same mistake next time.



There must be a lot more dumb mother f*ckers posting on this place than there used to be... or threads like these wouldn't be created.

I just want to know if anyone here is actually stupid enough to believe that a post like this one could be informative to its targeted audience.

This is what the problem is with this forum these days. We got too many dumb mother f*ckers creating threads that do nothing but point out the painfully obvious, and then they feel all sophisticated and sh*t after doing so. What's even more amazing is that other people actually follow up with positive replies to the trash instead of allowing the pathetic thing to die. :crackup:

So the best thing to do is LESSEN the amount of unattractiveness you have. If you're overweight, go to a gym. If you have acne, clear it up. The more you can lessen your unattractiveness, the less you have to worry about having a lot of game. Which means you're more likely to just be YOU, instead of some game spewing pick-up monster. Which is really what she's going to keep her around AFTER this initial stage anyway.

You still need to have game, but the more attractive you can make yourself, the better off you are.

It's pretty funny that The Forms describes his "unattractive guy" as a pot-faced 400 pound whale. That's pretty helpful, eh? He makes it sound like only lazy couch potato low lifes are the ones who can do anything to help themselves. That's pure genius right there.

So the dudes who are built, have clean skin, groom themselves and dress well, but have rugged faces that just aren't pleasing to the eye, are just plain old f*cked then I guess? What's his answer for that? Oh wait I forgot...he has none.

All this post really does is insults people like that for having bad genes. They didn't do anything wrong. They just got the shorter end of the stick in the looks department. They're not going to gain anything by reading this sh*t.

To top it off, he writes:

Now, what if you're an unattractive guy? What if you ARE that 400 lb behemoth? Or you have some sort of serious physical deformity? When she meets you, she's thinking "no" from the get go, right? So there's more to it than just "not ****ing it up." You actually have to CHANGE HER MIND. You have to change her "no" to a "yes" (or at least a "maybe").

So you unattractive guys should ask right now, "what do you do to change her mind?" and I'll tell you. . .

I have no idea.

So if he can't help them...wtf is he writing all this for? I mean the subject of the thread is 'for the unattractive guys' and all I'm seeing is that he insults them here and attempts to make them feel worse for not looking like the little pretty boys. :cheer:

I'm not saying that unattractive guys NEVER get laid, or meet amazing girls and date them. I'm saying that the amount of game required for these unattractive guys is greater than for attractive guys. Girls aren't blind. They prefer attractive guys.

Wow. Now that's a f*ckin news flash right there for everyone! :kick:

Really I'm just writing this so you understand that if you're unattractive, and telling yourself, "girls just don't like me because I'm not super confident all the time" or "I need to learn patterns to get a girl" you're lying to yourself (or, at least misinformed).

Are you a f*ckin tool bro? Seriously...do you honestly think that the majority of unattractive dudes tell themselves, "girls don't like me because i'm not confident" instead of "girls don't like me cause i have an ugly face"? Most have a hard enough time getting past their looks to even reach the point of worrying about their confidence level. We're trying to show them that if they can see past that crap and become confident with themselves, they can become more successful with females. Of course, then idiots like you always come along and try to preach the exact opposite mentality. :box:

This thread doesn't help anyone and is filled with pointless bullsh*t that everyone and their mother already knows. It boosts the attractive male's outlook, and does absolute sh*t for the unattractive dude, only adding insult to injury.

For the unattractive guys: remember...it could always be worse. I mean, you could be idiotic enough to create a thread like this one while believing that this information was actually new and helpful to somebody.

 

[GropeDope]