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Jeffst1980

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STR8UP said:
See, in the grand scheme of things, as far as NATURE itself is concerned (all other factors aside), the guy who fukks the most women WINS. ting in the natural order of things. A lot of these conceptions you have about fidelity and such are not beneficial to you as an individual, they are beneficial to a larger group that is trying to control you.
What do you 'win?'

It sounds like you're just substituting one larger group that is trying to control you for another one...namely, basic human instincts. If human instincts were all that were necessary to propagate our species, why did we ever evolve into modern-day humans in the first place?

I don't really care about spreading my seed as much as I can. I'm not sure I even want kids at this point. I don't really care about fvcking the most women, either. I care about having a happy life and minimizing the stress caused by insignificant things. I find that dealing with dramatic, low quality women is a major stressor...whereas dealing with women with strong values from good families is not.

Of course fidelity is a construct. So is basic morality. There are reasons these constructs evolved in essentially every culture, even independent from one another. If it was socially acceptable to kill every man that ever got in your way, our species would not survive. If there was no concept of pair bonding, every child would grow up with a single mom, or without parents at all, or (more likely) both genders would become so polarized that women would die out from lack of provisions.

Just because monogamy in women is really closer to serial monogamy doesn't mean that it need be treated as such. Otherwise, why do we advise against getting back with a girl that cheated on us? Why do we 'next' girls at all if they're all the same? Should we forgive girls for every offense, no matter how grave, because they're "girls?"

I feel happy when girls treat me like a king, and I felt miserable when one of my first girlfriends cheated on me. No amount of theorizing on the moral character of women will change those emotions. That's enough for me to shun women of low character. I will never contact that ex girlfriend again and my life is better because of it--such is the power of walking away.

This married woman that contacted you cheated on you when you were together. This honestly doesn't bother you enough to want to call this thing off? What do you 'win' in this case, besides a few minutes of pleasure that you could have had from any other girl?

In the end, we all end up the same way, and the consolation of having 'won' the gene-passing game won't matter in the least. What matters is the present, and wasting the present on women not worth your time is a sin IMO.
 

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Jeffst1980 said:
I find that dealing with dramatic, low quality women is a major stressor...whereas dealing with women with strong values from good families is not.

Of course fidelity is a construct. So is basic morality. There are reasons these constructs evolved in essentially every culture, even independent from one another. If it was socially acceptable to kill every man that ever got in your way, our species would not survive. If there was no concept of pair bonding, every child would grow up with a single mom, or without parents at all, or (more likely) both genders would become so polarized that women would die out from lack of provisions.

Just because monogamy in women is really closer to serial monogamy doesn't mean that it need be treated as such. Otherwise, why do we advise against getting back with a girl that cheated on us? Why do we 'next' girls at all if they're all the same? Should we forgive girls for every offense, no matter how grave, because they're "girls?"

I feel happy when girls treat me like a king, and I felt miserable when one of my first girlfriends cheated on me. No amount of theorizing on the moral character of women will change those emotions. That's enough for me to shun women of low character. I will never contact that ex girlfriend again and my life is better because of it--such is the power of walking away.

This married woman that contacted you cheated on you when you were together. This honestly doesn't bother you enough to want to call this thing off? What do you 'win' in this case, besides a few minutes of pleasure that you could have had from any other girl?

In the end, we all end up the same way, and the consolation of having 'won' the gene-passing game won't matter in the least. What matters is the present, and wasting the present on women not worth your time is a sin IMO.
Well put...
 

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STR8UP said:
See, in the grand scheme of things, as far as NATURE itself is concerned (all other factors aside), the guy who fukks the most women WINS. There is no distinction between married or non married as far as the perpetuation of the species goes. Matter of fact, the guy who inseminates a woman who is being "supported" by another man is the "winner" of the genetic lottery.
Sometimes, it seems that some of you "evolutionary psychologists" really are convinced that your hypotheses are fact.

IF the above assertion were true, how do you explain that most single men AVOID sleeping with married woman.
 

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Jeffst1980 said:
What do you 'win?'

It sounds like you're just substituting one larger group that is trying to control you for another one...namely, basic human instincts. If human instincts were all that were necessary to propagate our species, why did we ever evolve into modern-day humans in the first place?
I was speaking in clinical terms. you don't "win" anything unless you pass on your genes. Some people might not consider this "winning" anything (and I personally do not want children right now), but in the grand scheme of things, he who spreads his seed far and wide wins.

I don't really care about spreading my seed as much as I can. I'm not sure I even want kids at this point. I don't really care about fvcking the most women, either. I care about having a happy life and minimizing the stress caused by insignificant things. I find that dealing with dramatic, low quality women is a major stressor...whereas dealing with women with strong values from good families is not.
I don't care about fukking 100's or 1000's of women myself, but if it presents itself and it gets me hard, then?????

We are back to the "low" quality "high" quality thing again....

I won't debate the point that this particular girl isn't the most desirable specimen, but this whole idea that a woman is either a gutter mouth trailer trash h0 or a churchgoing angel is nothing more than matrix talk.

Where do you get "dramatic" and "stressor" from?

If anything this is a LOW drama, LOW stress situation. I don't know why people try to use this as an argument. Really....

Of course fidelity is a construct. So is basic morality. There are reasons these constructs evolved in essentially every culture, even independent from one another. If it was socially acceptable to kill every man that ever got in your way, our species would not survive. If there was no concept of pair bonding, every child would grow up with a single mom, or without parents at all, or (more likely) both genders would become so polarized that women would die out from lack of provisions.
Certainly our society finds it necessary to maintain a military, but is it YOUR duty to stand in front of a bullet? I'm certainly glad some guys ARE willing to do that, but I'm not one of them.

This idea that you have to do stuff for the benefit of "society" is herd mentality and I want no part of it.

Just because monogamy in women is really closer to serial monogamy doesn't mean that it need be treated as such. Otherwise, why do we advise against getting back with a girl that cheated on us? Why do we 'next' girls at all if they're all the same? Should we forgive girls for every offense, no matter how grave, because they're "girls?"
No, we dump women prove themselves unfit to work WITH us to move our genes into the next generation. If your chick is cheating on you there is a chance that you might get stuck raising someone elses offspring. Not good.

That's enough for me to shun women of low character. I will never contact that ex girlfriend again and my life is better because of it--such is the power of walking away.
You know what? If this happened a year ago this would be a different story. this was 18 years ago when we were kids.

Aside from the argument that "low quality" women will somehow drag you down, biologically speaking I have no reason to despise her. Cheating is different than stealing from someone or inflicting physical pain. You don't really "take" something from them or "harm" them beyond what's in their head. If you look at it in this way you can place women in the "recycle bin" instead of permanently deleting them.

This married woman that contacted you cheated on you when you were together. This honestly doesn't bother you enough to want to call this thing off?
Honestly? After 18 years it means nothing to me. If a woman has THAT much power over your emotions you need to take a look at yourself.

What matters is the present, and wasting the present on women not worth your time is a sin IMO.
"Wasting time" would be shunning qualified candidates for unqualified candidates, and this would imply that I have a "timeline" (if I were actively looking for a serious relationship).

I don't have a goal. I don't have a timeline. Hence, no wasting of time.

jophil28 said:
Sometimes, it seems that some of you "evolutionary psychologists" really are convinced that your hypotheses are fact.

IF the above assertion were true, how do you explain that most single men AVOID sleeping with married woman.
Because they are ruled by societal influence.

They are content to play the role of beta provider, hoping that THEIR wife isn't one of the percentage of women who get pregnant by the alpha that tickles her fancy right around the time she's ovulating.

I could cite study after study that fill in most of the pieces to the puzzle that gives us an ever more clear picture of how all of this stuff goes down, but most people don't want to hear the unpleasant truth, so I will refrain. :rolleyes:
 

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As long as you aren't putting much effort into this, I don't see anything wrong with it. Hell, I'd be curious if I were in this situation, especially since it's been such a long time since you were together.

She's going to do her thing regardless if it's you or someone else, I say have fun with it.
 
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