Find a woman who is a 6-7 in objective looks but a 9-10 to you in subjective looks

[oc16]

This is the key. You don't want a 8+ in looks and constantly have to look over your shoulder.

I guess we all find something something about a woman that will boost her looks up by a few points, even if she is not the most beautiful.

This usually has to do with hobbies or qualities that hold value to you (E.g, a girl that also likes WWE, drinking imported beer, ice skating,....I can go on and on)

In church today (Catholic mass), the cantor (person who leads the singing) was just a normal looking woman (probably in her early to mid 30's) but her voice was so amazing, she was very proper and just seemed like a beautiful soul. Her objective looks are like a 6.5, but she is a 9 to me

 

[Snag87]

Solid advice. You kind of need an SMV gap in any case. I say 2+

 

[oc16]

Solid advice. You kind of need an SMV gap in any case. I say 2+

You mean there should be a SMV gap of 2+ between the girl and guy?

 

[Snag87]

You mean there should be a SMV gap of 2+ between the girl and guy?

Yes. It's the only way to satisfy her hypergamy and encourage good behavior.

 

[oc16]

Yes. It's the only way to satisfy her hypergamy and encourage good behavior.

So, the guy is the better looking of the two ?

 

[Snag87]

So, the guy is the better looking of the two ?

There are more variables at play than looks, but yes, the guy should have considerably higher SMV. This applies to long term relationships only.

 

[Bigpapa]

This is the biggest myth ever

 

[oc16]

This is the biggest myth ever

How so?

 

[EyeBRollin]

There are more variables at play than looks, but yes, the guy should have considerably higher SMV. This applies to long term relationships only.

I second this. Compliance is had with checks lower SMV than your own. Can’t get too low though, as they get cynical in that direction as well. A healthy dynamic is a desirable man with a “cute” girl.

In addition to hypergamy there is pre-selection at work. She wants to brag about you to her friends. She will only do that if you are higher SMV than her.

 

[Willie Naylor]

This is the key. You don't want a 8+ in looks and constantly have to look over your shoulder.

Says who?

My girlfriend's a solid 8. I'm not looking over my shoulder.

You're basically saying, "Get an ugly girlfriend. That way a better guy doesn't take her from you."

Yet another post where I see beginner-level content. The man being higher SMV than his girl...that's Intro level stuff.

I bet in 3 days, someone will start a thread that tells me what it means when a girl playfully smacks my chest while we're talking.

 

[Snag87]

I second this. Compliance is had with checks lower SMV than your own. Can’t get too low though, as they get cynical in that direction as well. A healthy dynamic is a desirable man with a “cute” girl.

In addition to hypergamy there is pre-selection at work. She wants to brag about you to her friends. She will only do that if you are higher SMV than her.

Agree 100%. I've made the mistake of going too low and they started questioning "why a guy like me would be interested in her." Has to be a reasonable gap.

 

[Snag87]

Says who?

My girlfriend's a solid 8. I'm not looking over my shoulder.

You're basically saying, "Get an ugly girlfriend. That way a better guy doesn't take her from you."

Yet another post where I see beginner-level content. The man being higher SMV than his girl...that's Intro level stuff.

I bet in 3 days, someone will start a thread that tells me what it means when a girl playfully smacks my chest while we're talking.

An 8 dating an 8 is exponentially more likely to be successful than a 5 dating a 5. That said, it's still suboptimal.

Edit: I also think a 2 dating a 2 is more likely to be successful than the 5 pairing as well. Mid-tier level women tend to be extremely hypergamous due to their ability to have casual sex with high status men. An 8 male will bang a 5 but not a 2.

Not saying you're an 8 just giving an example.

 

[Willie Naylor]

An 8 dating an 8 is exponentially more likely to be successful than a 5 dating a 5. That said, it's still suboptimal.


Not saying you're an 8 just giving an example.

Who cares?

You guys spend time in this theoretical world, where you talk about stuff that's not really important.

 

[3AM]

Honestly, the conclusion of the 2+ SMV has merit. The problem people might have is the SMV is subjective. Meaning it can vary widely. you can have an 8 easy sure and things be fine. This is most likely dependent on the specific social situation of your lifestyle. Which I would say, sounds like you are kicking ass and got your stuff in line. Many men don't and need to understand these dynamics.

If you are the top of your social hierarchy then a woman can be very high in her status and be completely content with you. Now say you change cites and social groups, this is subject to change and your relationship might become stressed. This type of stuff happens all of the time.

The point is that a man needs to maintain a level of dominance and authority over his life and relationship. Women submit to this and see it. If you do this in your life you have nothing to fear.

Put Money and Health first. Everything else fits into their proper places.

 

[Fruitbat]

Don’t get an ugly girl. Get a girl who doesn’t dedicate her life to going up in SMV.

I’ve said this so many times and still, some can’t see it:

- Women are NOT pre established by their “looks” in terms of SMV. There are genetic limits (only a very good genetically woman can be a 10.

- A woman can spend a lot of money on herself and go up a huge amount in SMV. Do we not all know the feeling of waking up with a different woman? How come film stars all look great into their late 40s and 50s? Answer is, surgery, lifestyle and lots and lots of money to spend on personal trainers and beauticians.

- My wife comes back from a new haircut and spends hours getting ready to go out. Voila, she’s suddenly what I would consider an 8. With her sweats on, nowhere near.

women follow a bell curve like distribution. 60% in the middle are all of fairly similar genetic SMV with some outliers either end. Men follow the80/20 rule. Most of us are not naturally physically desirable to women, who crave the top end.

so, most women in the 60% can move around wildly if they spend the money.

however, look at the motivation. What kind of woman craves to be beautiful to the extent it eclipses all else? The same thing as a gym guy who wants to be buff so he can “crush poon”

either is not good to date. The brah doesn’t fulfil a woman’s real need for a LTR. The beauty obsessed woman wants drama, and attention.

trick is, pick a woman in the 60% who has other priorities to looking hot. She can and will look hot when she wants to - weddings and stuff. However, in normal life she’s happy in jeans. Naked there’s no difference really.

Most men get bitter and jaded as they chase these women obsessed with their image because they think they’re “hot” (they aren’t, they’re motivated) and then get burned as it turns out - yes, women who want tons of male attention do not make good partners.

learning to look past image is a key skill for men and women, and see the human underneath.

 

[derby1]

You guys spend time in this theoretical world, where you talk about stuff that's not really important.

it is important, it totally changes how the woman behaves if she has an hyperinflated sense of worth.

This is proven in the UK, a bum mom gets a very nice 2 bedroom house by the state for free.

a mildly accomplished dad can just about afford a mortgage for a 2-3 bedroom house.

so lets say she comes round your house she wont think your anything special. and she will behave wishy washy

even though shes a bum

 

[Willie Naylor]

it is important, it totally changes how the woman behaves if she has an hyperinflated sense of worth.

This is proven in the UK, a bum mom gets a very nice 2 bedroom house by the state for free.

a mildly accomplished dad can just about afford a mortgage for a 2-3 bedroom house.

so lets say she comes round your house she wont think your anything special. and she will behave wishy washy

even though shes a bum

B!tching about women is like a drug to you people.

 

[Bingo-Player]

learning to look past image is a key skill for men and women, and see the human underneath.

This is easily said but not so easily done

especially in your youth in mid- old age yes i agree her looks probably aren't so important , as long as she can get dolled up and has a nice body you can probably just about get away with it

Problem is men are hypergamous too we all want the most beautiful woman we can lay our hands on .... have you ever been somewhere and a really s exy broad walks in , in a tight fitting dress ? pay close attention and you will notice every single mans head will turn wether he is in a relationship or not

Some sanctimonious men will say they weren't looking and thinking bad things , but they are liars

Every man wants to strip that girl down and plough her it is basic male instinct

I find it comical when men say " oh her looks dont really matter" its like a woman saying "but he's a nice guy"

Its nonsense

men want s e x y women , women want powerful dominant men anything else is a lie or a cope

It doesn't really matter what she has achieved or how nice she is ...... if that attraction isn't there the novelty's gonna wear of real fast and your going to start longing for them other women ( trust me i've been there)

 

[firstbornunicorn]

B!tching about women is like a drug to you people.

It's basically self harm. This whole thinking is.

 

[derby1]

B!tching about women is like a drug to you people.

good, the downfall of men will be that we dont gossip,

all men should gossip and attention seek,

it will be the downfall of men that we have no herd mentality or gossip.

women are taking over because of the herd mentality and the fact they gossip.

there will be a female president soon, purely because of a hive mindset. not because shes actually good