fascinating article.

[The_last_Gunslinger]

This article started off discussing why young men are not enrolling in further education in startling numbers. But the article goes on to talk in-depth about my generation and its new way of learning, multi-tasking and non-passive learning techniques. I recommend this......

http://virtualwayfarer.com/educating-millennials-why-were-doing-it-wrong/

 

[FM 3321]

I think the cost is the most problematic factor. $40,000/year is fvcking ridiculous. What in the hell are they using that money for?

I can sit here and play the victim or man up and figure out how to make more money to make the system work for me. The "system" always changes and those who are able to work it are the people that succeed. Gone are the days of graduating, getting a job for 45 years and retiring in your 60's with a healthy pension. It looks like we all have to learn how to work harder and more effectively.

 

[edger]

I can sit here and play the victim or man up and figure out how to make more money to make the system work for me. The "system" always changes and those who are able to work it are the people that succeed.

I love the way you say, "I can sit here and play the victim or man up", as if getting a decent paying job is as easy as taking candy from a baby. Real stupid statement. Have you ever vehemently tried to get a decent paying job? Or did you just get lucky? Let me tell ya something...before I got the job I have now and before I started my business(and thankfully I'm in better shape now), I applied to every f*cking decent paying job out there imagineable, and never got called for any of 'em. I got called for one of 'em, but they didn't wanna work around my school schedule, and I couldn't quit school. It got to the point that I applied for so many f*ckin' jobs and filled out so many applications and sent out so many resumes, that I literally got burnt out and got sick from it...to the point where I couldn't fill out anymore job applications. I also have a 4 yr college degree mind you. So don't talk jibberish saying getting a decent paying job is easy or if you know how to work the system, you will succeed. Cause I, as well as others I've spoken to who have faced my situation, are proof that it's not.

 

[FM 3321]

I love the way you say, "I can sit here and play the victim or man up", as if getting a decent paying job is as easy as taking candy from a baby. Real stupid statement. Have you ever vehemently tried to get a decent paying job? Or did you just get lucky? Let me tell ya something...before I got the job I have now and before I started my business(and thankfully I'm in better shape now), I applied to every f*cking decent paying job out there imagineable, and never got called for any of 'em. I got called for one of 'em, but they didn't wanna work around my school schedule, and I couldn't quit school. It got to the point that I applied for so many f*ckin' jobs and filled out so many applications and sent out so many resumes, that I literally got burnt out and got sick from it...to the point where I couldn't fill out anymore job applications. I also have a 4 yr college degree mind you. So don't talk jibberish saying getting a decent paying job is easy or if you know how to work the system, you will succeed. Cause I, as well as others I've spoken to who have faced my situation, are proof that it's not.

I never said it was easy. I would say that you did "man up" and got yourself a job and a college degree. You are proof of a man that can work the system no matter what and then some. Let me know if that clears up my statement.

 

[The_last_Gunslinger]

I focused more on the second half of the article that talked about the new patterns of thinking and the shift in information gathering techniques. The portion that discusses ADHD was also interesting. Of course the writer has no hard facts, and explains as much. But it does have some validity that young boys, teenage boys and men of the "Native" generation to technology learn best by interactive, multi-tasking challenges. He supports this some by going on to describe that some of the best technology start-ups in the early 90s concerning internet and computer sciences were initiated by "drop outs". Even Steve Jobs and Bill Gates dropped out. To me that is a strong argument that higher learning institutions are not keeping up with the 21st century.

As for finding work based on a paper degree; I went to 3 colleges and mixed and matched classes based on price, the staff, and the particular school's focus. I can do this as an art major. I have no degree to hang on my wall, but I did get close to 7 years of art training in various disciplines. I out preform my co-workers and have become the "go to guy". I am now the creative director of my advertising agency, replacing a guy with a 4 year degree in.....creative management. Its about passion for what you want to do, and discipline to execute. Colleges are antiquated relics in the digital age.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

People pay for skills. Unfortunately, everyone has been convinced that a university education is the only way to make money. You now have plumbers and builders making more money then accountants and lawyers, may of them self employed before they hit 40. There is a shortage of them and the smart ones are coining it.

The majority of the degrees offered these days are a load of horse****. Engineering, medicine, science? Those are not the kind of degrees anyone can get and they will always be well paid. Now compare the degrees we see marketing people get or the multitude of Arts degrees. These people walk out of college thinking they deserve 100k a year but fail to realise their jobs are pretty easy to do and a million other people are already doing them. Not to mention almost impossible to measure when it comes to performance.

Men are NEVER going to fall behind women. No matter how big a disadvantage men may be in the system they have one thing women dont. Balls. Men dominate in science and engineering. So we still build stuff and invent stuff by the truckloads. When it comes to business? Well how many rich women do you know that made their money the real hard way? Like a small startup company that went from a garage to a listed company?

All the wealthy women either inherited their money, divorced for it or entertain people. Women make good wage slaves. Not great, they still get pregnant, take more leave and work fewer hours then men, but they fill the gaps in the economies we build.

200 years from now they are still going to be *****ing about men not promoting them and the boys club while men will still dominate business, science and politics.

 

[edger]

I never said it was easy. I would say that you did "man up" and got yourself a job and a college degree. You are proof of a man that can work the system no matter what and then some. Let me know if that clears up my statement.

The other thing I meant to mention also, is, you can't condemn the guy/girl who doesn't succeed in the system after he/she has made a legitimate effort to do so. There comes a point like I said where you get so burnt out and sick(both mentally and physically), that you have no strength left in you any longer to seek out jobs. And yes, when this happens, there's plenty of reason to call yourself a "VICTIM", because that's exactly what you become. There's no other way to put it. Capitalism is total cut-throat. That's rather obvious.

 

[realsmoothie]

Men are NEVER going to fall behind women. No matter how big a disadvantage men may be in the system they have one thing women dont. Balls. Men dominate in science and engineering. So we still build stuff and invent stuff by the truckloads. When it comes to business? Well how many rich women do you know that made their money the real hard way? Like a small startup company that went from a garage to a listed company?

This is not true, or at least biased.

Actually... small businesses started by women are on average far more successful than those started by men. Sorry, I don't have the numbers, I heard that a few years ago.

This doesn't mean women are smarter than men, or more agressive. I personally believe it's because women are in general pushed away from business, so the ones that get in are pretty bloody driven to succeed. Meanwhile, I think a lot of men get into business because it's "what they're supposed to do" and their heart isn't in it.

It's like watching women's sports. Women's leagues are a HELL of a lot more competitive than men's... ever see a girls' soccer game? Yipes.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

This is not true, or at least biased.

Actually... small businesses started by women are on average far more successful than those started by men. Sorry, I don't have the numbers, I heard that a few years ago.

This doesn't mean women are smarter than men, or more agressive. I personally believe it's because women are in general pushed away from business, so the ones that get in are pretty bloody driven to succeed. Meanwhile, I think a lot of men get into business because it's "what they're supposed to do" and their heart isn't in it.

It's like watching women's sports. Women's leagues are a HELL of a lot more competitive than men's... ever see a girls' soccer game? Yipes.

How many of them actually develop past one or two little retail outlets? Like I said, you dont see women building massive companies like men do. I would like to know how many of those business's have been funded by husbands and lovers too. As a salesman, I have come across one woman who has started her own business and grown it to something that employs a lot of people. ONE. Thats in 11 years of selling. So while that one means I generalise when I say that women are crap at making money, it certainly means that when discussing a trend, I am not far off the mark.

Any man that gets into business "because its what he is supposed to do" is never going to be successful. You dont work because you like it. You work because you have to. Men are just better at it then women are

As for womens leagues being mroe competitive then mens? WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Maybe in the USA where games like basketball and "soccer" are popular with the he *****es. In the rest of the world, football AKA soccer is huge. No one watches women play it. Rugby league and Rugby Union are way to physical for women and these games are massive. Cricket is another game played in a lot of countries and again, women just dont draw the crowds that men do.

 

[edger]

To be honest, I think most people like to "say" they put in the effort, but if they are anything like the majority of people I have worked with, they just want a 9-5 job pressing a button and then go home to a mcmansion. Sorry, that is just not going to cut it.

I'm talking about the ones who truly make an effort to succeed in the system. It is THOSE people who are the actual "victims".

Capitalism is cut-throat, but it's not capitalism that punishes the non-producer, it's life.

Nooo, it's Capitalism that punishes the non-producer. There are other ways, under different systems, to live life that wouldn't punish people. So, it isn't "life" that punishes people, because there are different ways to live life that wouldn't punish people. Stop trying to justify Capitalism, cause it ain't working. In a Capitalist system there will always be "winners" and "losers", just like in a game...and Capitalism is just that, a GAME. You either win or lose. CUT-THROAT, simple. It's inevitable that there will always be winners and losers in it...and it doesn't have to be like that, there are better ways to live. And no, I'm don't think Communism or Socialism are the answers either, as I've said before...they suck as well...they all suck. The old ways of "Tribalism" is the closest to a utopian lifestyle. That would bring people the most happiness. Of course I'm sure there's some flaws within that as well(afterall, we do live in an imperfect world, and no system will ever bring 100% happiness..but I think Tribalism is the closest you can get to happiness). In Tribalism you answered to nobody but YOURSELF..you provided for YOURSELF. You didn't have to rely on MONEY to make it in this world...there was no such thing as wealthy and non-wealthy people...nobody went "homeless", "foodless"(although during crop failures), etc. Everybody was taken care of, eveybody collectively worked together for the common good of everyone. Why do you think the Native Americans fought so hard, passionately, and dilligently against the U.S. government to preserve their way of life?? Because they KNEW their life was a GOOD life, a good way to live, an IDEAL way to live. They knew Capitalism was f*cked up, and seen the evils and ruthlessness of it. Not only did the Native Americans embrace Tribalism, but so did many other ancient civilizations; the Celts/Germanic tribes of Europe are just another such example.

 

[Ol'BlueEyes]

I'm don't think Communism or Socialism are the answers either...QUOTE]

In Tribalism you answered to nobody but YOURSELF..you provided for YOURSELF. You didn't have to rely on MONEY to make it in this world...there was no such thing as wealthy and non-wealthy people...nobody went "homeless", "foodless"(although during crop failures), etc. Everybody was taken care of,eveybody collectively worked together for the common good of everyone.

I'm having a hard time making a distinction.

 

[edger]

I'm don't think Communism or Socialism are the answers either...QUOTE]



I'm having a hard time making a distinction.

You're right. I wasn't thinking when I wrote that. What I wanted to say also, and I've mentioned this before, is, not living tribally as a group, but by yourself. For instance, instead of working "collectively", you work and provide for yourself(and your family, if there's a family involved..with of course the wife contributing to the providing as well, in the things that she is ABLE to do). Everyone learns at a young age how to do various trades, this way no one has to rely on the other. Everyone provides for themselves.

 

[ketostix]

Capitalism worked just fine when people had scruples and character from the 50's to the 70's when we started getting products from Asia and outsourcing. But it's not even about capitalism or outsourcing, the problem is really a societal one. Empowered women and men thinking like women being greedy and jealous are the real causes of financial problems IMO.

 

[edger]

Capitalism worked just fine when people had scruples and character from the 50's to the 70's

Yes, I agree, that people back then, although I didn't live during those eras, probably were more scrupulous and had more character, but there were still people who were struggling financially, who didn't have to be, had they lived under a system that wasn't cut-throat. Since Capitalism has existed, that's never changed. Like I said, under a Capitalist system, you will always have those who "win" and those who "lose", no matter how hard you try. Not everyone can "win".

This question goes out to everyone: Why do you think people in Capitalist societies are so stressed and burnt out? Why do you think everyone's blood pressure is sky high and people are dropping dead from strokes and heart attacks? Why do you think people go out of their minds? Why do you think people are so depressed? Because the Capitalist system produces and breeds that.

 

[STR8UP]

Stop trying to justify Capitalism, cause it ain't working. In a Capitalist system there will always be "winners" and "losers", just like in a game...and Capitalism is just that, a GAME. You either win or lose. CUT-THROAT, simple. It's inevitable that there will always be winners and losers in it...and it doesn't have to be like that, there are better ways to live. And no, I'm don't think Communism or Socialism are the answers either, as I've said before...they suck as well...they all suck. The old ways of "Tribalism" is the closest to a utopian lifestyle. That would bring people the most happiness.

No offense, but this is a crock of sh!t.

In tribal societies "money" might not come into play, but if you think for a second that there is not a hierarchy and that everyone is "equal" you are totally delusiuonal.

Fact is, if you lived in a tribal society you would still have to have your sh!t together in order to live comfortably and attract women. Instead of having a big house and a 7 series Bimmer, you might own more pigs than your neighbor, but make no mistake; you WILL be held to a standard and nothing is "equal", I don't care when or where you live.

Ever since you started with that crap about being a "money slave" to women I knew what kind of a person you are with money. You have some serious issues with this subject man.

 

[edger]

No offense, but this is a crock of sh!t.

In tribal societies "money" might not come into play, but if you think for a second that there is not a hierarchy and that everyone is "equal" you are totally delusiuonal.

Fact is, if you lived in a tribal society you would still have to have your sh!t together in order to live comfortably and attract women. Instead of having a big house and a 7 series Bimmer, you might own more pigs than your neighbor, but make no mistake; you WILL be held to a standard and nothing is "equal", I don't care when or where you live.

Ever since you started with that crap about being a "money slave" to women I knew what kind of a person you are with money. You have some serious issues with this subject man.

Str8up, my point was, everyone "makes it" in a tribal system or in a system where you provide for yourself. That's all I'm concerned about.

Ever since you started with that crap about being a "money slave" to women I knew what kind of a person you are with money. You have some serious issues with this subject man.

Indeed, damn straight I do have serious issues with this subject, and for the right reasons. And for the record, a man who pays a woman's way through life IS a money slave to a woman. The only exception as I've stated before, is if she's pregnant or has to raise kids. Anything other than that, then she's a good-for-nothing leach who should be out working and finding a career like everyone else, and the guy who chooses to support her in that case is a CHUMPOLLA.

 

[mrRuckus]

You guys watch the little league world series of baseball and softball?

This has little to do with "competitiveness" but...

The softball was pathetic. Most couldn't hit out of the infield and every other batter just bunted. It was ridiculous. They throw worse with their dominant hands than i do with my offhand and i throw like SH1T with my offhand. Even their batting swings looked like crap. Don't they learn mechanics?

And i'm talking about the championship game!

This question goes out to everyone: Why do you think people in Capitalist societies are so stressed and burnt out? Why do you think everyone's blood pressure is sky high and people are dropping dead from strokes and heart attacks?

Because they are weak and eat too many refined carbohydrates in massive amounts.

Is there even any more heart attacks and strokes than there used to be? I know they're the "#1 killer" nowadays but what's the chance that's because we irradicated the old #1 killers?

 

[mrRuckus]

Yes, I agree, that people back then, although I didn't live during those eras, probably were more scrupulous and had more character

There was an episode of Penn and Teller's Bull**** the other day about this sort of attitude of nostalgia of the better days.

Leave it to ****** (hmm bee-ver is edited out) stuff was never real. "Back then" there were riots and stuff. Vietnam? Korean war? Race wars? Assassinations? KKK? Remember that stuff? More character my ass.

Or how about remember the robber barons? Horrible work conditions? Horrible pay? Long hours?