Every Woman Left On The Market Is Fvcked Up

[Poon King]

Nature dictates that a man does not want a sub-par woman, and a woman does not want a sub-par man. A few years ago I was a sub-par man (ie. confused about women and hence about myself), but I have risen above that simply because I achieved critical mass and crossed the line to a new life.

If a woman takes great pains to resist the media and social pressures and instead breaks away from the herd and becomes a woman of character, estranged from the herd, does she not deserve a quality man who has equally worked on himself?

A woman will become whatever she needs to if she can attain a high enough value man as a result.

Nature dictates that women seek men out for resources. This does not make her "good" it makes her ambitious.

 

[Poon King]

Have you gotten there before, that is met this quality girl? No?

What about Poon King? Did he get there before? No?

What about Atom Smasher? Yes?

I met a handful myself. My stories are in the other thread if you care to look.

Now who do you listen to: To those who have never gotten there--or--to those who have?

Think about it.

Very naive thought process.

When you buy a gallon of "quality milk" in 2017 is that same gallon of milk good in 2018? How you think you fully know the motivations behind your woman's behavior is arrogant.

If a b!tch has no better options than you.. then of course she will be "perfect". But women are a depreciating asset. What happens when this woman is 60 years old? Still high quality and sexy?

I'm surprised by how many men seem to forget that the passage of TIME matters. Do you really not understand this?

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

If a b!tch has no better options than you.. then of course she will be "perfect".

Yes, unlike a man, SMV is a depreciating asset for a woman, like a automobile. But:

High IL <> Quality Attributes

This is what you are arguing against champ. Seems like your experience is limited as you have no reference points.

Fact: Plenty of women orbit/stalk me, but possess no quality attributes which merit my attention. What happens to your "High IL = Quality Attributes" argument here?

 

[Poon King]

Yes, unlike a man, SMV is a depreciating asset for a woman, like a automobile. But:

High IL <> Quality Attributes

This is what you are arguing against champ. Seems like your experience is limited as you have no reference points.

Fact: Plenty of women orbit/stalk me, but possess no quality attributes which merit my attention. What happens to your "High IL = Quality Attributes" argument here?

Well.. its not that simple bro.

Remember that quality is subjective. You might be a boob man and I might be an ass man. So if a woman with a nice ass shows high interest in me.. I might see that has "A quality woman showing interest" while you might see it as "Another trash woman chasing me".

When it comes to behavior.. men consider a "quality woman" to be a woman who behaves how THEY believe a woman should. When women have high interest they submit to a man. So the man might be fooled into believing the woman's behavior is inherent rather than just the result of high interest.

There is no way to know a woman's true quality. I've told the story before of a slutty women who I sport f*cked in college. She got around a lot. She has probably been with 70 men. You would never know that today. Today she is religious and married to a dumb faggot beta who believes he found a "unicorn".

Its pretty much a given that most men these days are arrogant and chest thumping thinking they have "control" of their women when in reality their wives are f*cking the cable guy and the personal trainer on the side. When she files for no fault divorce and takes his house and kids he acts surprised. The co-dependent beta thinks he is much smarter than he really is. Anytime you pedestalize ONE woman you are a moron.

No woman on earth deserves to be on a pedestal. I don't care if she cures cancer.

 

[Atom Smasher]

A woman will become whatever she needs to if she can attain a high enough value man as a result.

Nature dictates that women seek men out for resources. This does not make her "good" it makes her ambitious.

According to what she values, which can differ..

Better women value more things that we men value. That's what makes these select few worth our while.

As to your second sentence, it makes her a woman. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Poon King]

According to what she values, which can differ..

Better women value more things that we men value.

That's what makes these select few worth our while.

Why? How does valuing more things make a woman better?

This is what doesn't pass the logic test to me. "Wanting more" is a mark of ambition and/or greed. It is not a mark of "goodness".

As to your second sentence, it makes her a woman. Nothing more and nothing less.

AGREE.

But I think it should stop there. A woman is a woman. Some are more fun than others. Some are hotter than others. Some make better mothers than others. But none are worthy of Godlike worship a.k.a full commitment and exclusivity.

No pedestals.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Well.. its not that simple bro.

Remember that quality is subjective. You might be a boob man and I might be an ass man. So if a woman with a nice ass shows high interest in me.. I might see that has "A quality woman showing interest" while you might see it as "Another trash woman chasing me".

When it comes to behavior.. men consider a "quality woman" to be a woman who behaves how THEY believe a woman should. When women have high interest they submit to a man. So the man might be fooled into believing the woman's behavior is inherent rather than just the result of high interest.

There is no way to know a woman's true quality. I've told the story before of a slutty women who I sport f*cked in college. She got around a lot. She has probably been with 70 men. You would never know that today. Today she is religious and married to a dumb faggot beta who believes he found a "unicorn".

Its pretty much a given that most men these days are arrogant and chest thumping thinking they have "control" of their women when in reality their wives are f*cking the cable guy and the personal trainer on the side. When she files for no fault divorce and takes his house and kids he acts surprised. The co-dependent beta thinks he is much smarter than he really is. Anytime you pedestalize ONE woman you are a moron.

No woman on earth deserves to be on a pedestal. I don't care if she cures cancer.

1) Quality is not physical attributes. Accordingly, your reference to a big-busted girl being your quality or my quality is inapplicable.

2) Your argument is founded on a man never knowing what her true nature is/was. Here again you are misdirected.

If you are a seasoned guy, you know that a girl will not be overtly communicative about her "unorthodox" past or transgressions. Using your example, she will never state she slept with the football team. But what does her knowledge of male/female dynamics show you? What do her desires and covert inclinations demonstrate? What about her old school friends, what stories do they share? Stories passed on by her family during family dinner? Stories about her ex-boyfriends or her male "friends"? Her experience level in sex and social dynamics? Her timeline, age, and relationship history? Strong- or weak-willed? Obsessed with beautiful people? Bad drinker or unable to hold composure after a drink? Reserved, classy, or bit wild? Goals, aspirations, focus? Her perceptiveness and social acuity? Her hobbies and likes? Her social media? Her entitlement or generosity? The nuances in her language? Her patterns, addictions, and proclivities? Shall I go on ...

When posters describe you as uni-dimensional, they are not aiming to insult you, but rather to show you that your thinking is myopic and improvident. If you are seasoned and intelligent enough, you can peel away the veneer of any overt behaviors and communications and understand exactly who you are dealing with.

 

[Poon King]

If you are a seasoned guy, you know that a girl will not be overtly communicative about her "unorthodox" past or transgressions. Using your example, she will never state she slept with the football team. But what does her knowledge of male/female dynamics show you? What do her desires and covert inclinations demonstrate? What about her old school friends, what stories do they share? Stories passed on by her family during family dinner? Stories about her ex-boyfriends or her male "friends"? Her experience level in sex and social dynamics? Her timeline, age, and relationship history? Strong- or weak-willed? Obsessed with beautiful people? Bad drinker or unable to hold composure after a drink? Reserved, classy, or bit wild? Goals, aspirations, focus? Her perceptiveness and social acuity? Her hobbies and likes? Her social media? Her entitlement or generosity? The nuances in her language? Her patterns, addictions, and proclivities? Shall I go on ...

Finally a juicy argument. Good work.

However, people who are loyal to a woman will protect her image. Her family and friends will not tell you negative things that tarnish her image. Remember their relationship with HER is more important to them than their relationship with YOU. So they will protect her.

You are naive if this isn't obvious to you. Going back to the slut I mentioned earlier. Do you think her friends and family told her current husband that she saw more sausage than a deli? Of course not.

When posters describe you as uni-dimensional, they are not aiming to insult you, but rather to show you that your thinking is myopic and improvident. If you are seasoned and intelligent enough, you can peel away the veneer of any overt behaviors and communications and understand exactly who you are dealing with.

Wrong.

You can only process the information people give you. One bit of information you will NEVER have is a person's true motivations. There is no way to ever know them with complete certainty.

The more important question is what makes all this detective work, veneer peeling, analysis, screening, etc. worth the trouble? Why not just spin plates and live a free life? I would argue that a man who screens too hard and too deeply wants a relationship WAY too bad. In which case he has already lost the game.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Again PK, you are zoning into one particular area, and overlooking the totality of the individual's assessment. You state that assiduous analyzing is trouble or work. If you're just spending time with a girl, everything I delineated in Post 204 is absolutely natural, and for me, quite enjoyable.

People who don't give me value don't merit my time. I would even go further to state that they lower value. Why would I waste time with such individuals? For me to know if she merits my time, I have to dig deeper. Knowing who you are dealing with is a gift every DJ should aspire to have.

 

[Poon King]

Again PK, you are zoning into one particular area, and overlooking the totality of the individual's assessment. You state that assiduous analyzing is trouble or work. If you're just spending time with a girl, everything I delineated in Post 204 is absolutely natural, and for me, quite enjoyable.

People who don't give me value don't merit my time. I would even go further to state that they lower value. Why would I waste time with such individuals? For me to know if she merits my time, I have to dig deeper. Knowing who you are dealing with is a gift every DJ should aspire to have.

I still don't see why being exclusive is required.

There is freedom in high value. The freedom to basically do what you want and still have people chasing after you to get a piece of what you offer. If you cannot do that.. you are not free OR high value. If you are not free, then you are someone's b!tch.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

I still don't see why being exclusive is required.

In your own words, if it benefits the man, then the man would be imprudent to hold onto the "no exclusivity" ideal.

Back to our convo, I opined that it is very easy to pull the veneers off a woman, and see what's underneath:

Example of a convo in another thread:

Be controlled woman. That's your place.

lol, sorry man, aint gonna happen. I got a six figure salary and a vibrating dildo. If yer not mentally balanced ill fvkin walk, and please my own self, till I find someone who is.

besides, what I mean by controlling is the same kind of sh1t the OP has posted.

I've literally been on the phone with a dude, yawned and said "Let me get off the phone so I can relax before bed" and had a dude say "Oh, so this phone call isnt relaxing to you?!"
I've had insecure men yell F bombs at me for 5 minutes, cornered in his kitchen, because when he said Bon Jovi could only sing in low tones, and I replied that he could also hit the high notes, I was openly defying him.
legit
This type of treatment is sh1t. No one deserves it. And I've read enough on these boards to know that this is not the type of alpha male that you guys promote.

I gave her a little emotional bait to bite on, but what did we learn from this exchange:

1) She has control issues, likely stemming from childhood. I'd be more than interested to hear about her relationship with her father;

2) Her previous relations comprised of men who she deemed controlling and insecure, thus projection as those are qualities that she possesses to recognize those nuances in another;

3) She is heavily invested in this control dynamic, and likely will not be a contender on whom to impose your boundaries;

4) The balance of power in a relation will never be unequivocal within the man's leadership.

Much extrapolation, but just a tiny example of what I was referring to in how to know the person you are dealing with.

 

[devilkingx2]

In your own words, if it benefits the man, then the man would be imprudent to hold onto the "no exclusivity" ideal.

Back to our convo, I opined that it is very easy to pull the veneers off a woman, and see what's underneath:

Example of a convo in another thread:





I gave her a little emotional bait to bite on, but what did we learn from this exchange:

1) She has control issues, likely stemming from childhood. I'd be more than interested to hear about her relationship with her father;

2) Her previous relations comprised of men who she deemed controlling and insecure, thus projection as those are qualities that she possesses to recognize those nuances in another;

3) She is heavily invested in this control dynamic, and likely will not be a contender on whom to impose your boundaries;

4) The balance of power in a relation will never be unequivocal within the man's leadership.

Much extrapolation, but just a tiny example of what I was referring to in how to know the person you are dealing with.

i think what poon king was getting at is that only the craziest/dumbest women are going to completely give you free reign to armchair psychoanalyze them, the ones that are particularly crafty or a more covert kind of crazy will be able to keep it hidden until it's too late and you're already invested (most people stick their d!cks in crazy because they didn't know it was crazy when they put their d!ck there)

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

i think what poon king was getting at is that only the craziest/dumbest women are going to completely give you free reign to armchair psychoanalyze them, the ones that are particularly crafty or a more covert kind of crazy will be able to keep it hidden until it's too late and you're already invested (most people stick their d!cks in crazy because they didn't know it was crazy when they put their d!ck there)

You're still a young man. Once you learn how to incite emotional responses from your subjects, the world is your oyster.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Why? How does valuing more things make a woman better?

This is what doesn't pass the logic test to me. "Wanting more" is a mark of ambition and/or greed. It is not a mark of "goodness".



AGREE.

But I think it should stop there. A woman is a woman. Some are more fun than others. Some are hotter than others. Some make better mothers than others. But none are worthy of Godlike worship a.k.a full commitment and exclusivity.

No pedestals.

If her values align with mine, will we not be more compatible? That sounds eminently logical to me.

"Values" in this context doesn't mean a quantitative "value". It means things like:
She agrees with and loves the fact that I'm the leader of the relationship
She desires to submit to my leadership
She agrees that she should be expected to be accountable for her words and actions

Values like that (and many more) are what determine a woman's worth to me.

I just realized, I think you misread my statement... I said that she values more things THAT we value, not more things THAN we value. Our values are more in alignment

"Godlike worship" is your own construct and has no relevance to me in this discussion. It does apply to most men who are in fact raised and taught to revere women.

My woman is hot, submissive, friendly, unpretentious and many other things with me (our chemistry brings it out in her), and therefore I find it beneficial to hang out with her. It's really no more complex than that.

If things go south with her, I'll do the same thing...wait until another one enters my sites. The nice thing is that they are no longer invisible to me, nor I to them.

We usually agree on most things, PK. I think that where we differ is that I believe there are rare exceptions who are worth our time. It is possible to vet women for who they REALLY are, and the older you get, the easier that becomes, until it becomes instinct.

 

[SteR]

I would argue that a man who screens too hard and too deeply wants a relationship WAY too bad. In which case he has already lost the game.

Well I'm certainly going to be doing so if I ever decide to have children...

 

[Atom Smasher]

Wait till you guys find out how easy it is to screen when you get significantly older. It becomes second nature and instantaneous. But be prepared to say "Next" an awful lot. As I always say, most women today are destroyed inside and will destroy you if you let them.

We men need to learn to value ourselves in direct opposition to our upbringing and education. And we must learn to value ourselves MORE than we value women. The woman who falls for you (any reader) will be the woman who is enchanted by the fact that you have more social value and brains than she. It's in their wiring and it's what they crave.

One way I started becoming far more attractive as a man was by visibly rejecting and showing disgust for uncooperative women. We should be showing it, but we don't. Men are the authority of the world. When will we take OUR authority back?

One way I became visible to higher quality women was because of what I call "Assumed Authority". I am every woman's authority. You would think they would rebel against that, right? On the contrary, they gaze at you in awe.

 

[Roober]

Wait till you guys find out how easy it is to screen when you get significantly older. It becomes second nature and instantaneous. But be prepared to say "Next" an awful lot. As I always say, most women today are destroyed inside and will destroy you if you let them.

We men need to learn to value ourselves in direct opposition to our upbringing and education. And we must learn to value ourselves MORE than we value women. The woman who falls for you (any reader) will be the woman who is enchanted by the fact that you have more social value and brains than she. It's in their wiring and it's what they crave.

One way I started becoming far more attractive as a man was by visibly rejecting and showing disgust for uncooperative women. We should be showing it, but we don't. Men are the authority of the world. When will we take OUR authority back?

One way I became visible to higher quality women was because of what I call "Assumed Authority". I am every woman's authority. You would think they would rebel against that, right? On the contrary, they gaze at you in awe.

Don't try to explain this to a woman though... that didn't end well for me... haha

 

[Killakittie]

So I'm hoping this sparks a good discussion here with folks on the forum. I don't make threads that much but I wanted to put most of my thoughts here in a new thread, thoughts of which I have shared in various posts on other threads.

I believe that "quality/good women" are for the most part NOT on the market anymore, leaving the remaining women on the market the fvcked up ones who have at least one major issue with her that will make being with them in a relationship a "challenge". Note, I say "challenge", which doesn't mean it's impossible, but it's just that the chick is going to be a little bit of a pain in the a.ss (at times) to deal with.

These issues include:

- Having a kid or kids from other guys. Lord help you if you are dating a black woman with kid(s) because at least 75% of the time the kid(s) will be from a Ray Ray or Pookie type of guy. You know the guy with 5 felonies, from 5 different counties, who has been locked up in 5 different prisons? Yes, that guy, and when he gets out of jail he might call and leave you a voicemail like this THUG did to Tenacity last year: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/tenacity-gets-threatened-by-a-thug-listen-lol.233962/

- Having bad finances. This means you meet her Monday, fvck her by Thursday, and by next Monday she's already begging you for money because her car is about to be towed, the lights are about to be cut off, or she's behind 2 months on rent and about to be kicked out. So because you are "her man", she wants you to help her get stable because you know, that's what a "real man" would do.

- Having weight issues. Yes, there's a McDonalds on every corner but today there's damn near a gym on every corner as well. Hundreds of diet plans, tons of gyms, etc., there's no god damn reason for a girl to be extremely overweight like 200lbs or something. Yes, I like THICK girls, but not BBW girls. There's a difference!

- Some sort of personality/attitude problem. So this includes a laundry list of things, the girl could have a mental disorder (bipolar), she could be flakey as hell, she could be lukewarm, she could display mixed signals, she could be a gold-digger, she could be high maintenance, she could be bougie as hell, she could deliberately withhold sex, she could be controlling, she might have gotten divorced before and carries baggage from that, she might have daddy/mommy/family issues and carries baggage from that, etc., etc.

Every woman on this market will have one or MORE of these issues above. The Manosphere tells guys to NEXT, NEXT, and NEXT when they run into one of these issues, but my question is.........NEXT TO WHAT? NEXT TO WHO?

Where the fvck are you going to go lol? If you NEXT the chick with weight issues you will run into one with bad finances, if you next the one with bad finances you will run into one with personality/attitude issues.......every chick you deal with will have at least ONE major issue that makes being with her "a challenge".

What do you guys think of my analysis? My strategy going forward is to filter off the chicks with weight issues, kids, and bad finances, to just DEAL with the chicks with the personality/attitude problems. Yes, they annoy the fvck out of me with the personality/attitude related shyt, but where else am I going to go? That's the BEST it's going to get.

I agree.

You smash em all. The "perfect" woman doesn't exist so you display your rock hard, mature, amused mastery frame, and slay with no expectations or remorse. If a stray happens along that has slightly more good qualities then bad, you make an emotional impression on her, and take a closer look. If she's worth keeping, you keep her. But you make it known she fvcks up and her "perceived" exclusivity from you ends.

 

[Tenacity]

Can I finish my bytching session? Hell, I might as well just get it ALL OUT RIGHT?

It's like I'm never enough to black women, I'm never OK to them, I'm never FINE to them, there's never a pat on the A.SS from them.

- When I was broke, they clowned me. I go out and become financially successful, now they routinely talk about how ARROGANT I am and how money doesn't matter/mean anything.

- When I was fat, they clowned me. I go out and become fit, get a 6 pack....now they routinely talk about how ARROGANT I am to mention/show my 6 pack and 6 packs don't mean anything.

- When I was too shy to approach a woman at all, they clowned me. Now I have no ISSUES being the life of the party, striking up convos everywhere....and now this has become a problem with them because they say at times I'm not "laid back enough". The Christmas plate I just had left me cause I wasn't "laid back enough", whatever the fvck that means!

I'm always TOO something....either too broke or too rich, too fat or too fit, too stupid or too smart, too goofy or too much of a show off....

I'm never just OK. I can never just fvcking RELAX. I can never just get a PAT on the fvcking a.ss for a job well done. NO, I have to constantly be told there's ANOTHER problem I have to fix, then when I fix that problem, they will FIND another problem, then when I fix that problem, they will FIND another problem.

Fvck this shyt! This shyt is ZAPPING my god damn energy, fvcking up my positivity, and causing serious depression!! I've been going through this shyt for 33 fvcking years and I'm getting ready to SNAPPP.

 

[Carpathian]

We all have to accept compromises in all aspects of our lives, women included. Just as women have to make compromises to accept us. Part of life's ebb and flow. We meet somewhere in the middle.