Erm…a difficult topic

[EyeBRollin]

There is so much here; this is a really insightful take. Though I encourage it to be thought of in the why instead of as a gripe (not saying you did, but it can be taken either way).

White people have to perform to a higher level of social equality and understanding than other races.

White person says the N word - canceled and fired. It's on the news next day.
Black person calls a white person a cracker - nothing happens. No news.

Its not racist to point this out; there is different treatment and expectations for people of different races. It shouldn't be this way, but it is.

Correct 100%. Don’t you think historical and socioeconomic and reasons for this?

Black person calling a white person a slur is definitely racist. On the other hand, it does not have the same meaning in western “culture” because most businesses, police officers, judges, politicians aka people of power are not black.

If a white person decided to live in hypothetical Wakanda, and the Wakandans called him slurs and treated him like shvt it would have a lot more meaning than Pookie who lives in the South Side of Chicago doing it.

 

[EyeBRollin]

As has been said a million times (don’t agree):

You cannot oppress an oppressor.

Do you not think that is a factual statement?

 

[EyeBRollin]

It’s starting to make me edge into being racist. Tell me I’m wrong. It’s quite often here and on other forums a POC with a white girl is using it to wave it in peoples faces. Genuinely, I don’t see white guys dating other races women doing that
Am I selecting out the idiots?

I am considered a “liberal” and find race fetishes to be weird. I have met people who are like this and I do not understand it at all.

As for you being racist, the main question is why does it bother you when non-white dudes display this behavior of considering white women to be “trophies?” (I don’t personally agree with this behavior)

As a man married to a hot wife, what business is it of yours? I mean no offense.. honest questions.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Do you not think that is a factual statement?

No, I do not believe it to be true.

 

[EyeBRollin]

how familiar are you with this

IDK about you, but I can put a check mark next to every single one of the privileged qualities, making me alpha king wolf lord oppressor of the world.

I have never seen that diagram. I am a black man in the USA of above average means.

In my Wakanda scenario- I do think if every other country was Thanos-snapped into a nuclear wasteland, the Wakandans (obviously black race) would have a higher obligation to be tolerant of the less fortunate other races.

 

[EyeBRollin]

No, I do not believe it to be true.

Ok. How does one oppress an oppressor?

 

[zekko]

Racism is not restricted to a single race.

Depends on who you ask.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Victimhood olympics.

The Jews were the "oppressors" before they started getting slaughtered in the 1930's.

How did the Jews oppress the Nazis?

 

[Fruitbat]

Latino born & raised in Latin America here. Please explain to me how Im a racist.

no Latinos where I’m from so no frame of reference. Only real experience is a bit of bad vibes when I’ve been on holiday in Spain and a very anti English feeling, but to be fair we can have these attitudes too. Geberallt considered Latinos as essentially white anyway. European.

 

[EyeBRollin]

it was rape by anyone’s measure.

I have a mate who is black and he was like “it’s not the full story, she obviously deserved it, the media was tough on him”

I literally couldn’t speak to this guy after. How in the world he couldn’t condemn it bothers me. It makes me think they all stick together no matter what. Even if a woman is raped.

First. Grape is wrong, 100%.

The question here is an honest look at tribalism and bias.

If the man and women are of the same skin color (black male -black woman OR white male - white woman), are you believing the woman outright or do you want to see all the evidence?

Are you more or less likely to presume guilt if the man in question does not look like you?

Are you more or less likely to presume guilt if the woman looks like your daughter?

Are these questions even relevant?

Just asking…

 

[EyeBRollin]

Do you think that 10% of Germany's population went to bed a peaceful people, then woke up wanting to gas the Jews?

They were conditioned to view the jews as their oppressors.

Absolutely not, and correct.

My point was the statement still is not factual. The in-group cannot be “oppressed” by the out-group. The in-group has a higher responsibility to be tolerant of the out-group. That is just how it has to be. I think it is safe to say white men get tired of hearing about having to be tolerant. Unfortunately or fortunately- Straight, white, Christian men are the in-group in the most powerful countries at this point in human history.

 

[Fruitbat]

I am considered a “liberal” and find race fetishes to be weird. I have met people who are like this and I do not understand it at all.

As for you being racist, the main question is why does it bother you when non-white dudes display this behavior of considering white women to be “trophies?” (I don’t personally agree with this behavior)

As a man married to a hot wife, what business is it of yours? I mean no offense.. honest questions.

It’s because I feel like they’re doing it to p1ss me and other white dudes off - not the action of dating into the race but the flexing, the general attitude especially of southern Asians when they describe white girls as “white slags”

while we have tried hard in the modern age to be accommodating, it makes me concerned that they don’t share the view and any attempt to be egalitarian and grown up and reasonable will be taken advantage of. That if at any point they get the upper hand they will not be benevolent but use it to exploit us, especially our women. Look at the UAE, it’s common knowledge how they view/treat European women there and their view of them.

Essentially the feeling is, they have no respect for us and our culture and values, but they ARE very interested in the women. Hence the assumption is if we are ever in a position of weakness then then they will use it to exploit that. As I say, the UAE is a good example of what happens when they have the means to exploit it. No respecting of the culture, but bang the women often in humiliating ways.

And that’s a pretty depressing prospect should we ever become weak.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Mexicans are racists to blacks, cubans and puertoricans.

Statement makes no sense. Nationality is not a race…

 

[Fruitbat]

First. Grape is wrong, 100%.

The question here is an honest look at tribalism and bias.

If the man and women are of the same skin color (black male -black woman OR white male - white woman), are you believing the woman outright or do you want to see all the evidence?

Are you more or less likely to presume guilt if the man in question does not look like you?

Are you more or less likely to presume guilt if the woman looks like your daughter?

Are these questions even relevant?

Just asking…

have you heard the tape?

You ever tried to get sechs like that?

ever done the below to a woman?

the fact he has defenders shows a bias the other way. Any man who acts like this is an *******.

 

[EyeBRollin]

And my point is that white men are the only systematically oppressed people in America, yet are still successful (generalization) comparative to other races (not asian). That is either from generational wealth, or cultural value differences.

How can someone with general wealth by systematically oppressed? The overwhelming majority of CEOs, lawyers, police, politicians, and high net worth individuals are white men. How are they oppressed?

 

[EyeBRollin]

have you heard the tape?

You ever tried to get sechs like that?

ever done the below to a woman?

I have not. You didn’t answer any of my questions though..

 

[Fruitbat]

How can someone with general wealth by systematically oppressed? The overwhelming majority of CEOs, lawyers, police, politicians, and high net worth individuals are white men. How are they oppressed?

Everyone gets a chance at success.

There is only one group who faces legal disadvantages, less funding, no support, no leg ups.

the states is different from here. I am supposing the response is “they come from wealthier backgrounds to begin with” and that’s true. However, the west is a majority white set of countries.

go to Nigeria, China, Japan, India. You will find it’s Nigerians, Chinese, Japanese and Indians who have positions of power and wealth. This is the European and European descended areas of the world, and it would be surprising for it not to be Europeans at the forefront.

Essentially what people seem to argue for is for the west to give special leg ups so the historic inhabitants don’t have advantage. Yet the rest of the world would laugh in your face. Go to Japan and suggest they have too few white people in positions of power.

we have to power share or we are racist whereas the rest of the world will chuckle at the idea of letting their migrant populations reach positions of power. Added to this, here, those people can openly say how power positions are “too white”

imagine going to emigrate to say, Thailand and saying their leadership is “disgustingly thai”

bear all this in mind, and then say we don’t face systematic oppression in our own home - our only home. We have nowhere else.

I wonder if liberals have actually travelled. They think that Asian boards of companies are all run by white men - lol.

Im not suggesting we are protectionist and prevent people ascending. Just a level playing field. Not a pervasive view that white men being successful in a majority white country Is something sinister and perverse.

my wife’s country:
Im not allowed to own property outright
My daughter is only allowed ONE western name on her passport.
I get special tax rates much higher than locals.
I have a higher bar for work - have to be educated to a higher level.

thats how diversity focussed the rest of the world are, while we bend over backwards to disadvantage our own people!

 

[EyeBRollin]

Lets take the term BIPOC under the understanding that additional government funding is available to these groups, their businesses, and that preferential hiring is given to this group. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI) requirements are financially enforced by groups like Blackrock. The White House has also ordered all federal agencies to meet these DEI requirements.

Back to BIPOC...

Black
Indian
People
Of
Color

... you mean, "not white"?

You're welcome to take a look at college scholarships and see how many of them are about DEI, but not for white people. This same criticism could be pointed to the ratio of scholarships for men in STEM vs women in STEM... currently sitting at about 11:1 female to male.

That is not oppression. Oppression and scholarships do not belong in the same paragraph.

My grandparents moved from the Deep South to New York because of what happened to black people at the time that tried voting.

 

[EyeBRollin]

If there is something I learned too late, is to never argue with a liberal. And this guy is very well known for being an extremist liberal in this forum.

Ad hominems come when you can’t address someone else’s viewpoint.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Oppression, as defined by wikipedia:
"Oppression is malicious or unjust treatment of, or exercise of power over, a group of individuals, often in the form of governmental authority or cultural opprobrium. It is related to regimentation, class, society, and punishment. Oppression may be overt or covert, depending on how it is practiced."

You genuinely do not see that any of this is happening?

I do not think having to go to Duke instead of Harvard qualifies as malicious, an exercise of power over, or a punishment. However, one can say it may not be “fair” on an individual level.