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thunder_god said:
Thanks for the tip, I will try it out tomorrow. This has got me thinking now, if someone mentions a major like accounting I guess I can accuse them of helping companies with tax evasion or white collar crimes but what about social worker or computer science? I'm not very quick on my feet, especially when I'm nervous.
The key is to develop the quick on your feet part of yourself is part of developing inner game and confidence.

What you'll see is that the men with game always seem to have an answer, but the reality is that people tend to a small range of responses and that those with great game practice through approaches and conversation and have an arsenal ready because they've likely heard it before.

Granted, naturals are gifted with the skill of witty banter so those not gifted with the gift of gab. The key is to practice.

I should warn you to be careful because if you come off nervous or unsure then the witty retorts and jokes will come off badly. With that being said don't be afraid to fail and try to incorporate the witty and quick on your feet skills within your personality.

Most men fail because women can shut them down and the guy doesn't know how to respond.

I'd recommend watching the movie I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell and reading the Tucker Max books. The movie shows good a lot of good banter and why it's important to be able to retort. The books also show the same as well as the true nature of women and how the protagonist, Tucker Max, is able to use his skills and his balls to do what he wants.

Some of the stuff is way up there on the a-hole meter so I don't recommend demagoguery of Tucker Max, but most of it is hilarious and so so true.
 

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Week 18 day 4: Today I originally intended to do about 16 approaches but developed a severe case of approach anxiety when I couldn't find any wings again. This time it was even worst then yesterday. I walked around for 1.5 hrs and didn't open a single set. Just then a receive a text from a wing (that weird guy) so I just went winging with him. It probably took me 30 minutes before I was able to open my first set. After that it started to take shorter and shorter amounts of time to open new sets.

first set: two japanese girls HB5's

me: are you guys chinese?
them: no
me: I wanted to know where there's a good chinese restaurant
me: you have an accent, where are you from?
girl: accent?, what that means?
me: your accent, like how you sound
girl: oh, I'm japanese
me: what brings you to canada?
girl: I don't understand
me: why did you come here?
girl: to study english
me: your english is good
girl: no
me: you can take english in japan
girl: no and laughs
girl: ok we need to go
me: bye

My wing was also occupying one of the girls but he had a brain freeze so I had to carry the conversation.

2nd set: some asian girl hb5.5 carrying fllowers

me: hey are those flowers for me?
her: no

walks away lol

I forgot the other two sets I opened. Afterwards me and my wing met up with my idiot wingman and we all headed to the alex free tour. I actually enjoyed this tour better then Julien's tour. It seemed alex was a much better sales person then julien and I was tempted to sign up for the hot seat. Afterwards me, my weird and idiot wingmen decided to hit up a pub to practice nightgame. We decided to stop by mcdonalds to grab a quick bite. My idiot wingman kept on making excuses as to why he wouldn't be joining us. I'm starting to suspect something's fishy about him. I suspect he's in financial trouble and is always putting up a front and bull$hitting which everyone can tell. Anyways he ditched us and left so it was just me and my weird wingman. This was the same pub we hit up last thursday where I mentioned I grabbed a chicks boobs by accident lol. The place was packed as usual with loads of hot chicks. We had come up with a game plan before we arrived. My wing said from his previous experience chicks will approach you if you go dance on the dance floor. I was sceptical at first and didn't want to make a fool out of myself but then I said **** it. So we went straight to the dance floor and started to move to the music. Within 10-15 minutes we got approached by a fat blonde chick. I couldn't believe it. This actually worked lol. At first my wing grinded with the girl, then her friend came over so I ended up grinding with the fat blonde chick. It was my first real time grinding with a chick except that one time where I ****ed it up with my oneitis. Since that day, I was determined to learn how to grind. So we grinded for a little bit, then the girls left. By now the dance floor was really packed and you could hardly move. We kept on dancing but it seemed futile. No more chicks were approaching due to the crowd. My wing started going up to girls and grabbing them but every single one of them blew him off. He told me to do the same, and I probably should have at least tried it but I chickened out.

So since that wasn't working we decided to walk around the pub and approach girls. My wing got blown out almost immediately from each set. I eventually ended up approaching 3 sets. First set, I saw a tall brunette sitting by herself although I saw a beer on the other side of the table. I approached her and asked her why is she sitting here alone. She said her friend went to the washroom. Anyways it was really loud and I couldn't talk. I tried to ask her to dance but she said she was waiting for her friend to get back but said in 3 minutes. So I stood there kind of awkwardly until her friend showed up. She introduced me to her friend so I started talking to her. I tried to get her to come dance with me but she refused saying she can't dance. I tried to introduce my wing into the set but it was pretty much dead so I left. I also opened a black chick who was with her 3 friends. I also tried to ask her to dance but she said later. Then I opened a chick with some animal t-shirt, but it wasn't going anywhere so I ejected. We left after my last set.

Overall not the greatest day and I didn't get a lot done in terms of approaches but I did get an unexpected grind which was a bonus even though it was with a fat chick, but I guess experience is experience and I can't be picky. It gave me an opportunity to practice physicality, which I can't complain about.
 

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Week 18 day 5: Today I did a combination of daygame and nightgame. I met up with my wing tommy and then big tony. I opened 2 different sets and then I got serious approach anxiety from waiting too long to do my third. Then my weird wingman from thursday night showed up and I ended up winging him on a few sets. I'm really struggling with this approach anxiety. You would think after doing cold approaches for nearly 2 months now that it would be gone but its just as bad if not worst then before. As a result of approach anxiety, I haven't been hitting my daily goals of doing 10 approaches on some days and even when I do, some of them are half assed.

There were 2 notable sets that I did last night. The first one my wing big tony told me to approach her. She was a tall blonde wearing a fall jacket. I saw her looking at a floor directory outside a store, so I approached her.

me: aren't you hot from wearing that jacket?
her: it's a spring jacket
me: oh a windbreaker
her: ya
me: you have a nice accent, so I'm assuming your not from toronto
her: I'm from germany
me: ah, germany, I love the sausages and beers they make
her: lol
me: like that festival, october?
her: ah yes october fest lol
me: ya
her: what about you?
me: I'm from toronto
me: so what brought u to toronto?
her: travelling

I forgot the rest of the conversation but we talked about her travels, canada, and I almost had an insta-date with her, but I facebook closed her but later found out she had a bf. I told her I would show her around the city today but I'm not going to waste my time doing that.

Another notable set that my weird wing opened involved two cute blonde chicks. Originally big tony told me to wing him when he opened them but I got approach anxiety and hesitated so big tony jumped in, but then he got a phone call so I replaced him in the set. The set was going up and down. There were points during the conversation where it was slowly dying and either myself or my wing would bring it back up. The two girls we talked to were just finished HS and were from sarnia, ontario. My wing kept on insisting they come to the night market but they declined, so he asked for their facebook. Then he said something really stupid like how do you guys know what your facebook is or something like that. They looked at me and said by our names and burst out laughing. I couldn't help but laugh too. Also at one point, we got ****blocked by some dudes greyhound dog. My wing was like reengage so I had to reengage. Luckily the dude with the dog left. I didn't have data so I didn't try to facebook close them but I probably should have just took down their names on my phone. Anyways I told him to add me on facebook and then send me their facebook names and I would add them. I got accepted as a friend from both of them on facebook this morning. Good for social proof.

I also approached some tall attractive red head and used a direct opener. I initially didn't want to do the approach but my wings forced me to go run after her. I invited her to come with us to a nightclub but she declined saying she has to go to a wedding or something tmr. She seemed very nice though.

I also got blown off pretty badly by some korean fob lol. I used a direct opener on her and then started talking to her as we walked then all of a sudden, she stops walking and looks at me and says "ok, why are you following me?". I was thinking wtf. So I said " I told you already, I find you pretty" and she is like "so?" so I say "I want to take you out for a coffee sometime" and she is like "no" so I'm like ok goodbye.

Today we hitted a bar and a nightclub. The bar was crap and the nightclub was extremely packed. I tried using the dance routine there but that didn't work since there were loads of ppl especially guys there. So I resorted back to grabbing chicks by the hand but got blown off. I did grab one girls hands and started dancing with her but after like 2 secs she is like "no" then turns around lol. I also tried grabbing a girl by the waist and grinding with her but she removed my hands and blew me off. I also tried to open by placing my hand on a girls shoulders but after 2 sentences they blew me off lol. I then tried going on the dance stage and dancing trying to get girls to notice me so that I could pull them up but no girls walked by lol. After a while, me and my buddies gave up. I plan on hitting up another nightclub today so we'll see how that goes.
 

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Week 18 day 7: Yesterday night I was suppose to go clubbing to work on my club game but then my ****ing buddy (that guy who I said was an idiot and would not approach girls, not the idiot wing) bailed on me so I had no ride to get back home so I couldn't go. This muther****er is one of the laziest guys who I know with zero ambition or drive. He thinks he can just go out once a week and half ass it and expect to get good at it. He's ****ing dreaming. So that derailed my plans. In about 2 weeks from now, I'll have my own place downtown so I won't need to rely on anyone anymore to game. I went to the mall today to the buffalo store to pick up that jacket I wanted. I picked up this badboy today http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/...STYLE=Motorcycle&sp=1&spc=5&ruleId=78&slotId= plus two pairs of designer jeans. The girl was working there today so I was able to score a deal on the jacket. My wardrobe is coming along nicely. My going out wardrobe is almost complete, whereas my casual outing and school wardrobe needs a bit more work. I'm all set for jeans now, but I still need some more long sleeve button downs, a few tee's and some sweaters for winter.

For the past two weeks now I have been having dreams and nightmares about my oneitis. It think its pretty ****ed up that my subconscious mind keeps on thinking about her even though I am consciously telling myself constantly screw her there's way better girls out there that you will meet and to just move on and forget about it. I think I have also been spending way too much time just focusing on pickup and nothing else. I see a lot of wings who I sarge with who just focus on pickup but then they have nothing else to show for it. I don't want to be one of those guys. I want to constantly improve myself and invest in myself, not just in pickup and women, but everything such as fitness and health, education and intellect, social skills and networks, life experiences, travel, friends, money, career, etc. I have recently started to not try to buy into the whole real social dynamics hype. There are a tonne of rsd fan boys out there especially from a lot of the guys who I know from sarging or meeting them from my wings. My idiot wingman is also one of those rsd fanboys. I have told him to not to accept everything they tell you without questioning whether or not its valid and there is evidence to support it, but he apparently can't think for himself so is still buying into the whole rsd hype.

I have recently started watching videos and reading articles from two other pua's http://squattincassanova.blogspot.ca/ and http://www.taoofdjfuji.com/.

I also have been reading, listening, and watching squattincassanova's journal from the bodybuilding.com website. It's been quite informative and helpful to watch him transform from acf to pua. Both of them recommends taking improv comedy classes to help you become more humorous and also to help you think on your feet. I have decided to give this suggestion a try so therefore this tuesday I'm going to do a drop in class for improv comedy and see how that goes. Also I want to make it another goal for me this year to get really cut and shredded like have a bf% of 10% or less by december. Although I have been hitting the weights on a somewhat consistent basis of 2-3 x a week, I want to start lifting 4-5 x a week and to eat more clean. I already lost a lot of weight (something like over 15lbs) since last yr but I believe I can still lose more. I also am finding that consciously I know what I need to do to become more better with girls such as being outcome independent, just going for the approach, and seeing approaching as an experiment instead of it being a goal, and trying to stop seeking validation from external factors such as girls, however subconsciously my mind is still not cooperating with me and its pissing me off. I realize I have a lot of inner game issues. My idiot wing also pointed this out to me two nights ago, he said I'm good looking, dress very well, tall, charismatic, have at the minimum baseline social skills but I have inner game issues such as confidence. I'm also very emotional and overall a very pessimistic person. I believe these inner game issues stems from a really negative and rough upbringing from my parents and also the environments I have grown up in. This $hit really ****ed me up. The only way I can see to really fix this issue is to remove myself from these toxic external factors such as moving out, going out alot, and hanging out with ppl who are social and don't spend all there time playing video games, watching anime, or other socially awkward activities. Anyways I'm looking forward to this week and my continued grown. I'm hoping I can just stick to 1-2 types of openers such as direct openers or some other $hit and try to not overthink things. I also need to stop thinking about seducing the girls when I talk to them but rather just have a normal conversation like two people which I believe will help ease the pressure off and make me less nervous. Who knows, we'll see.
 

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Week 19 day 1: Today I decided to take a day off and also because commuting downtown is expensive, however I knew I had to just get out of the house even for a little bit so I walked to the bank. I didn't really have any intention of striking up a conversation with anyone but rather just needed to deposit some money. Anyways I ended up chatting up a blonde HB 6.5 bank teller employee who helped me( face wise she was probably a 7.5 but body wise was probably a 5.5). I should have wrote down our conversation as soon as I got home but now I forgot most of it. She looked like she was somewhere between her early to mid 30's. She had a nice attractive face but she had some excess fat on her hips and ass. She mentioned that she used to be 300 lbs like 8-9 years ago lol. Not really my type in terms of age bracket but I would have definitely ****ed her still. I'll try to write out what I remember.

her: hi, how are you?
me: hi, I'm good, how are you?
her: I'm good
me: I want to make a deposit to my bank account
her: ok, how much
me: hmm....let me see, I want to deposit XXXX
her: ok,
her: is your name pronouced thunder_God
me: it's thunder_god
her: oh sorry
me: it's ok, no one gets it right the first time
her: if I got it right you owe me something
me: hahaha... like.. ( I wasn't quick on my feet and meant to say like a coffee or something, but she replied before the words got out of my mouth)
her: you have to give me $50 bux
me: haha...
me: I like that necklace you have, it looks like its from egypt or something
her: oh thank you, no guy notices it and they just say it looks nice
her: I got it from j crew
her: so did you fill out an applicaton for a direct deposit for government checks?
me: sorry?
her: direct deposit for government checks
me: no
her: ok, in 2015, there's going to be a 6-8 mth waiting period
me: 6-8 months waiting period? what, I want my money now lol
her: ya its because of the backlog of checks
me: ok sign me up
her: I see that you lived on xxxxx
me: yes
her: omg I used to live there too on 21 xxxxx
her: it's a small world
me: ya, did you live beside that corner house
her: no, like 4-5 houses down beside that lady called xxxxx
me: I don't know her
me: maybe I saw you around before
her: you might, but I was like 300lbs before
me: really, well you look amazing now
her: ahh... thanks
me: you got to tell me your secret
her: diet and exercise
her: so how long have you been living there
me: like 8-9 yrs
her: would you like to add overdraft protection, its only an extra $5 if you use it otherwise its free
me: so what's the interest like?
her: same as a credit card
me: so what's the difference between this and a credit card
her: blah blah blah
me: oh sorry, I didn't catch your name
her: it's melissa
me: nice to meet you melissa
her: this overdraft will really help with increasing your credit rating so you can get more money
me: oh great, so I borrow more stuff and get into more debt then
her: hahaha....

We said a few random **** and then we said goodbye. My conversational skills still need major work, as there was 1-2 pauses during the conversation like when I talked to her about her necklace. The conversation wasn't necessarily forced like when I do cold approaches but there is still room for improvement. In my mind I was debating on whether or not to ask her out since her coworker was right beside her and could hear our conversation but I suppose I should have since I would have ****ed her. From now on if the girl is ****able by my standards then I should go for it, but if she isn't then I won't bother asking. I really need to also learn to quickly make a decision instead of thinking about it too much such as asking her out to coffee when she said if she got my name right I would owe her something. I hesitated too long and ended up losing the opportunity. I forgot to look for a ring on her finger too. This is something I need to start paying attention too. I suppose I could have still asked her out when my transaction ended such as saying "you seem like a cool and interesting person, lets hang out sometime, how do I get a hold of you?". I hate it when I **** up opportunities like this since she was definitely sending me IOI's. She did laugh a few times during our conversation but I forgot at which point. Well too late now unless I see her again but most likely won't because I'm moving downtown soon. I need to learn to recognize and seize these opportunities because I have ****ed up numerous times not being able to recognize them as opportunities. I also shouldn't have given a rats a$$ that her coworker was there. Not like I'm going to get in trouble for asking her out.

Anyways tomorrow I'm finally going to see a psychiatrist. It's been months since I last saw one and them referring me somewhere else really ****ed up my treatment plan. I plan on going to watch a movie right after and then going sarging and then doing a drop in improv comedy class.

I also need to make it a habit of working out early in the day when I get up otherwise I won't have the chance because I come home really late at night like at 12-1am.
 

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JaegerPilot217 said:
OP, do you mostly go for younger women?
I actually prefer girls in the early to late 20's. I mean if the girl is really good looking then I would be ok seeing them if they are like 18 or something or even early 30's.
 

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thunder_god said:
I actually prefer girls in the early to late 20's. I mean if the girl is really good looking then I would be ok seeing them if they are like 18 or something or even early 30's.
Ya its natural for us to lust for young women, kinda glad to know a woman's dating/sexual market value declines as she gets older
 

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Week 19 day 2: The plan for today was to go see my new psychiatrist then watch a movie, then daygame and finally finish the day off taking an improv comedy class. Unfortunately the TTC (toronto's public transit system) derailed my plans. I waited nearly an hr for the bus due to the bus breaking down in the subway station and therefore showing up 40 minutes late for my appointment. I ended up not having time to do daygame and went straight to my improv class late and missing half of the class.

My psychiatrist is starting me on some sort of treatment called group psychotherapy, which I'm hoping will help me control my emotions, and mood and eventually conquer my inner demons and insecurities. She seemed like a nice girl, but then she called in the big cheese who I think was the owner of the place. I needed to have a form filled out for school so that I get academic accommodations. This muther****er wanted to charge me between $25-50 to fill out the form. My family doctor can do it for free. The guy's reasoning was because it would take him 40 minutes to fill out and he's not getting paid through the government health care plan. The form takes literally 5 minutes or less to fill out. This just shows me that this guy only cares about milking as much out of his patients as possible. I'm glad he ain't my psychiatrist otherwise I would ask to be referred somewhere else.

I really need to step up and face my fears of doing cold approaches and doing stuff that is outside of my comfort zone. I know these fears are an illusion and this illusion is holding me back from reaching my potential. I want to just smash this fear into a million pieces.
 

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I know these fears are an illusion and this illusion is holding me back from reaching my potential. I want to just smash this fear into a million pieces.

You're doing well man. The last few weeks seem to have been going a bit better, right?

You seem to have a pretty decent grasp on reality, and your own mind. Like you say, there are just a few mental hurdles to get over. It must be said that we have constant mental challenges throughout life, but we become better at dealing with them each time.

LOSE THE FEAR!
 

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Week 19 day 3: Ok now I know I am regressing. Today I decided to go sarging by myself due to my approach anxiety problem. I ended up walking around for 30 minutes and did zero approaches. Mr. A ended up texting me along with one of his wings. So we all ended up walking together with the intention of sarging. Mr. a and his friend and me ended up talking way too much and not really doing much. Mr. A made the excuse that he just woke up so didn't feel like doing any approaches. While we were walking I tried to warm up by paying a women a compliment, however I didn't keep on warming up and ended up losing the momentum. Later his buddy disappeared doing an approach by himself so it was just me and Mr. A. We talked for a while and Mr. A started asking me about my oneitis. I didn't really feel like talking about her but anyways I told him that there is a good chance I will see her next week in my cpr class since she also signed up for it unless she switched days. I told him I was going to go flirt with some girls that day but he said it was a bad idea because it looks like I'm trying to make her jealous. I made the mistake of asking him for advice on what I should do instead. He suggested that I confess my feelings for her and then try to become friends with her. I felt his advice was complete bull$hit and told him I had no intention of being her gay male gf and listening to her guy problems. Mr. A then got pissed off and told me I'm very negative. It really pissed me off and I really wanted to tell him to go **** himself. Here he is telling me to go confess my love for this girl while he ran away from his oneitis problems like a coward for nearly 8 years and never even made a move on her. Talk about a hypocrite. I have decided to never take advice from anyone unless they have experience and have been in a similar situation before. It's easy to throw out random advice when you've never been in that person's shoes without any repercussions for you but the person who takes your advice is the one who carries the burden. This reminded me why I stopped sarging with Mr. A. Everytime I sarged with him, he talked way too much and we didn't do enough approaches. Also he keeps on complaining that I'm negative and stuff. Well no $hit man, when your optionless and your constantly getting rejected by girls left and right, what do you expect? Am I suppose to be all happy and smiling and $hit? Also I told him one of my solutions to get over my oneitis was to go get another girl who looks better then her. He told me it was a bandaid solution and that I should be happy with myself or some crap. Talk about a load of crap. Several famous master pua's such as rsd Julian and rsd todd talk about going out and banging 10 girls who are the same or hotter then your oneitis to get over her. I'm going to stop taking advice from these rsd inner circle wings from now on, unless it pertains strictly to doing cold approaches. I have received nothing but terrible advice from every single one of these guys. I thought sarging with Mr. A would help with my approach anxiety but instead he wasted my time. Due to my approach anxiety I ended up opening a set half assed and got ignored. I then opened two more sets, one of which rejected me while another I ejected prematurely. I felt like $hit afterwards for only doing like 2 approaches (I'm not even counting that half assed approach). I think I might need to return back to doing solo day game. I started to see results when I went sarging by myself although it was a ***** to get started on the first few sets.

Today was my last salsa class. My salsa instructor looked hot. Too bad my game isn't good enough yet to get her and its the last class. I couldn't take my eyes off of her rack and ass today. We also had two class photos today, one for each class. I was originally suppose to be her dance partner in the first photo but then I got ****blocked by a girl who told another girl to partner with me after the instructor said she was going to be my partner for the photo. I should have said something. This is where experience comes into play. So after getting ****blocked for the first photo in the first class, for the second photo this time around in the second class, what I did was when I finished dancing with my dance partner and they said we are taking a photo I quickly walked away and grabbed some water to drink waiting for another guy to be her partner. I had already counted the number of people in class and it was a odd number therefore one person would need a partner. I deliberately excluded myself from a partner so that the dance instructor would be my partner. Only problem was that there were two other guy spectators sitting down and a girl supervisor taking the photo. I was prepared to tell the girl that I'm going to partner with the instructor if she suggested that the guys take the photo. Luckily she didn't so I ended up partnering with my hot dance instructor and taking the class composite photo :) right in the middle of everyone. It's a shame she won't be teaching it anymore and but I got her on facebook. I'll have to keep her on the backburner for now until I get a lot better and then return to game her in the near future if I ever see her again. Also that girl who I ended up partnering with in the first photo, it was her last week in Canada so I gave her a hug, but I wanted to try something different this time. So when I gave her a hug, I picked her up while hugging her lifting her feet off the floor. She was kind of shocked and surprised and let out some weird sound when I did that but whatever it was meant for practice. I want to start doing stuff out of the ordinary and a little over the top. I also want to start picking girls up like how the groom picks up the bride when they get married. I don't want to be known as the passive quiet shy guy anymore but someone who is more aggressive and confident who goes after what they want in life.

I feel like right now I am on the verge of quitting and giving up. I mean if I was making small but steady progress then that's one thing, but now I'm regressing backwards. These last few days have been god awful. My motivation fuel tank is running on almost empty. I don't want my journal to end like this but I really need to start seeing some further improvements otherwise this pain and fear will beat me. I don't even know what to do anymore.
 

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I have decided today to try something out. I will try warming up first by saying hi to 10-20 ppl then from that point I will go approach girls with the intention of getting rejected. I'll see if this helps rewire my brain.
 

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thunder_god said:
I have decided today to try something out. I will try warming up first by saying hi to 10-20 ppl then from that point I will go approach girls with the intention of getting rejected. I'll see if this helps rewire my brain.
:rockon:
THERE you go.
Don't plan on failing, though, just don't plan on closing at first. That way, you aren't "failing", your are successfully talking to women. Women, now, not just "people". Keep it relevant. And...

Don't forget to laugh at yourself.
 

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thunder_god said:
I feel like right now I am on the verge of quitting and giving up. I mean if I was making small but steady progress then that's one thing, but now I'm regressing backwards. These last few days have been god awful. My motivation fuel tank is running on almost empty. I don't want my journal to end like this but I really need to start seeing some further improvements otherwise this pain and fear will beat me. I don't even know what to do anymore.
Push each interaction as far as it will go. Have fun with the interaction. Using a technique that's used in sells, make the chick tell you "no," three times. The first time you ignore her initial rejection and plow ahead. The second time, you address the rejection with a witty reply and compliment that intended as a distraction.

thunder_god: Come with me to Subway's.

Chick: I can't for whatever b.s. reason she gives.

thunder_god: You know you're cute. However, this is Toronto, the biggest city in Canada. So beauty is common here. Tell me something about yourself that makes sets you a part from the average attractive women.

You talk about any and every thing, no matter who dumb or gay it sounds. Whatever you do, do not let her walk off without trying to bounce for an insta-date, if that's not possible a number close. If she wouldn't give you her number, volunteer yours.

Also, I keep telling you to go on a Hot Seat. At a Hot Seat, you'll get to see in-field footage on how the RSD instructors overcome objections and you'll be able to have some of your questions answered.
 

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Why u even bother or waste time to over come her objection. Just move to the next set.
 

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Week 19 day 4: Today I had the intention of going out and getting rejected ten times doing a direct opener but my plans got sidetracked. Originally I wanted to do solo game so that I was free from distractions and just demolish my ego and fear of rejection. I opened a girl on the subway as a warmup but I should have persisted more in the interaction instead of ejecting so soon. Then I received a text from a wing and he wanted to meetup to sarge so I was like ok. So then I meet up with him and I open a 2 set but get ignored. Then he opens his first set and it hooks. I end up standing on the sidelines for 20 mines or more and this pretty much killed all the social momentum I had built. He then took off with the girl on an instadate and left me hanging. At this point I was too far into my head and the approach anxiety overwhelmed me. About 2 hrs later I get a text from another wing that weird wing. So I meet up with him. Prior to meeting up with him I hadn't done a single approach since my earlier wing ditched me. I just could not get out of my head. Anyways a little bit later I finally get the courage to do a direct opener approach. I get rejected of course but now I'm starting to feel less pressure from the anxiety. I then immediately open a 2 set. I comment on one of the girls bag. She ends up giving it to me lol. So now I'm walking around with a pink bag trying to sarge. I end up giving it to my wing but then he later says he doesn't want it so I dump it in the garbage. It's like I want to buy a gun and point it at my head and be like "if you don't ****ing start listening to me and do what I tell you, I'm going to put a bullet through you". We'll see if I have any better luck tomorrow telling my ego to **** off.

My wing also approached several sets without any approach anxiety but he got blown out right away. Then finally I winged him on a set. An indian and chinese 2 set. We both initially engage both girls but after a while we each isolate a girl. I isolate the chinese girl. We end up chatting for like 30 minutes or so. I knew at this point if I were to ask for her number she would give it to me without hesitation but I wasn't attracted to her so I asked for her facebook instead. I figured after putting in all this time and effort I might as well get some use out of her and not waste her. So I add her to facebook to be used as social proof and to expand my beta orbitor portfolio of girls lol. I also shot for a hug at the end when I said bye, it wasn't the smoothest hug but it was ok. At least now I'm starting to be more physical with girls. One thing with this set that I looked though was that I was outcome independent except say trying to stay in it as long as possible. I went into the set with no intention of trying to pick the girl up and it really did relax my mind and I had a normal yet silly random conversation with the girl. Now if only I can do this on a consistent basis then I would be more relaxed and out of my head when talking to girls.

Next we met up with my best friend. Me and my buddy predrunk in his car and then headed to the same pub from last week. Then my idiot wingman called me and he was apparently already inside. My buddy purchased a pitcher of beer and me and him chugged it down. It made me very tipsy but at the same time I started to let loose. We hit the dance floor. Surprisingly there weren't as many people there as last week. I just started dancing while my buddy stood there. My weird wing started to approach girls but got rejected. One of the girls he grabbed ans started dancing with her but then her friend tried to ****block him so I grabbed her hand, but then the song ended lol. I also gave two chicks a high five and then wouldn't let go of there hands. One of them I spun her while the other pulled away. Finally I made eye contact with a girl on the dance floor and I stuck my hand out to her and she took it. We ended up dancing for a bit and grinding. She even grabbed my weird wingman and brought him in as well so it was like each one of us holding her hands. The girl who I grinded with as a step up from last week, but still no where near my standards. If she had been 2 more points higher on the looks I probably would have tried for a instant makeout. My buddy told me it was great that I was grinding but I need to slow the grind down lol. Ah well, its only my second time grinding with a chick. After that me and my best bud headed out since he has to work tomorrow morning. He told me I'm getting good at this real fast and to continue doing it. As ****ed up as this sounds, I really needed that grind today as motivation to show me that I am making progress. My best bud told me that I am levels above both of my wings due to my height, looks, and social skills but I need to let loose and shut my mind off.

I went home today feeling pretty good and had a good time. I know the only thing holding me back is my mind. I am constantly mind****ing myself over. The approach anxiety is probably the biggest thing holding me back. If I can somehow conquer this, then I could do a $hit tonne more approaches and gain tremendous experience in a very short period of time. Even though I am constantly telling myself that I am here today to get rejected and its my goal to get rejected so that I can develop this skill, my stupid mind just would not cooperate with me and shut off. Everything thus far in terms of my weaknesses seems to be related to my inner game. I have serious internal issues that I need to resolve and it seems to be the toughest thing to fix.
 

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Maximus Rex said:
Push each interaction as far as it will go. Have fun with the interaction. Using a technique that's used in sells, make the chick tell you "no," three times. The first time you ignore her initial rejection and plow ahead. The second time, you address the rejection with a witty reply and compliment that intended as a distraction.

thunder_god: Come with me to Subway's.

Chick: I can't for whatever b.s. reason she gives.

thunder_god: You know you're cute. However, this is Toronto, the biggest city in Canada. So beauty is common here. Tell me something about yourself that makes sets you a part from the average attractive women.

You talk about any and every thing, no matter who dumb or gay it sounds. Whatever you do, do not let her walk off without trying to bounce for an insta-date, if that's not possible a number close. If she wouldn't give you her number, volunteer yours.

Also, I keep telling you to go on a Hot Seat. At a Hot Seat, you'll get to see in-field footage on how the RSD instructors overcome objections and you'll be able to have some of your questions answered.
I don't have $300 to spend right now. I'm saving up for rent when I move downtown in 2 weeks.
 

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Week 19 day 5: I was pretty dead set on doing 10 direct openers today and getting rejected, but wasn't able to break through the fear or rejection. I started warming up by complimenting people and asking them questions. I even opened a two set on the subway train by asking her if she was from paris because she had a paris cover on her phone. She ignored me after like 20 sec and returned back to speak to her friend. After several hours of walking around I finally broke through and did my first direct opener. The girl was attractive enough, but the street festival made it hard to talk and it was very crowded. She then told me she had to go and I left her alone. I then opened another british blonde with a direct opener about an hr later. Again she said she had to go. I could have persisted more with both girls but I could not get out of my head.

I also ran into both of the Tony's there. I'm started to get the vibe that little Tony is a little off. Later Tommy showed up and we did a two set. I had trouble keeping my girl preoccupied and she ended up grabbing his girl and leaving. Then afterwards I met up with my friends to try a salsa club that my salsa class frequents. When I showed up there, I got very intimidated. Most of the my classmates weren't there, but I did see my salsa instructor dancing with someone. After 5-10 minutes we all decided to leave and hit up another salsa club. My buddies had brought along a cuban guy who is really good at salsa. The next club we hit up was a bit more laid back and you didn't need to be super good to dance with the girls. The cuban guy tried to show me some dance moves as we just danced by ourselves. Then we started to dance with girls. I must have danced with like 5 or so girls there. Some of them attractive and some average. Unfortunately one of the girls who I danced with told me I sucked and wasn't doing it correctly and then stopped dancing with me lol. It kind of stung.

I was pretty exhausted at this point from all the dancing. My buddies decided to go out for a smoke and I followed. I don't smoke but I figured it would be a good opportunity to talk to the girls outside. My buddies opened two different girls outside. One of them was there for her bachelorette party while another was a cuban chick. My buddy teased her and was playful with her but I ended up getting her #. My original plan was to go to a regular nightclub but I suppose its good to change things up.

I finished the night not feeling too good. Since we had been out so late, there was no bus service to my house and my buddy didn't want to drop me off. This left me no choice but to call my mother to come pick me up since she just got off work. I of course got $hit for it in the car. She was telling me how she works really hard while I'm out partying and playing. What she doesn't understand is I'm doing this out of necessity rather then voluntarily. On one hand, I really do care about my parents and I want to be a good son and everything, but at the same time, I'm so far behind all my peers in terms of social skills and dating that I can't afford not to do this. I don't know what's the right thing to do anymore. I've hit a major plateau. I'm dateless and optionless. I constantly think about my oneitis and her hooking up with that guy although the nightmares seemed to have stopped. It's ****ing painful as hell. I know if I could only get some options from attractive girls then I wouldn't feel this pain anymore but **** my skills have plateaued. It's so god damn frustrating and depressing. How the **** did I end up so screwed? I already given it everything I have.
 
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thunder_god said:
Week 19 day 5: I was pretty dead set on doing 10 direct openers today and getting rejected, but wasn't able to break through the fear or rejection. I started warming up by complimenting people and asking them questions. I even opened a two set on the subway train by asking her if she was from paris because she had a paris cover on her phone. She ignored me after like 20 sec and returned back to speak to her friend. After several hours of walking around I finally broke through and did my first direct opener. The girl was attractive enough, but the street festival made it hard to talk and it was very crowded. She then told me she had to go and I left her alone. I then opened another british blonde with a direct opener about an hr later. Again she said she had to go. I could have persisted more with both girls but I could not get out of my head.

I also ran into both of the Tony's there. I'm started to get the vibe that little Tony is a little off. Later Tommy showed up and we did a two set. I had trouble keeping my girl preoccupied and she ended up grabbing his girl and leaving. Then afterwards I met up with my friends to try a salsa club that my salsa class frequents. When I showed up there, I got very intimidated. Most of the my classmates weren't there, but I did see my salsa instructor dancing with someone. After 5-10 minutes we all decided to leave and hit up another salsa club. My buddies had brought along a cuban guy who is really good at salsa. The next club we hit up was a bit more laid back and you didn't need to be super good to dance with the girls. The cuban guy tried to show me some dance moves as we just danced by ourselves. Then we started to dance with girls. I must have danced with like 5 or so girls there. Some of them attractive and some average. Unfortunately one of the girls who I danced with told me I sucked and wasn't doing it correctly and then stopped dancing with me lol. It kind of stung.

I was pretty exhausted at this point from all the dancing. My buddies decided to go out for a smoke and I followed. I don't smoke but I figured it would be a good opportunity to talk to the girls outside. My buddies opened two different girls outside. One of them was there for her bachelorette party while another was a cuban chick. My buddy teased her and was playful with her but I ended up getting her #. My original plan was to go to a regular nightclub but I suppose its good to change things up.

I finished the night not feeling too good. Since we had been out so late, there was no bus service to my house and my buddy didn't want to drop me off. This left me no choice but to call my mother to come pick me up since she just got off work. I of course got $hit for it in the car. She was telling me how she works really hard while I'm out partying and playing. What she doesn't understand is I'm doing this out of necessity rather then voluntarily. On one hand, I really do care about my parents and I want to be a good son and everything, but at the same time, I'm so far behind all my peers in terms of social skills and dating that I can't afford not to do this. I don't know what's the right thing to do anymore. I've hit a major plateau. I'm dateless and optionless. I constantly think about my oneitis and her hooking up with that guy although the nightmares seemed to have stopped. It's ****ing painful as hell. I know if I could only get some options from attractive girls then I wouldn't feel this pain anymore but **** my skills have plateaued. It's so god damn frustrating and depressing. How the **** did I end up so screwed? I already given it everything I have.
Ya and at times it can feel like 1 more day turns into 1 more year for me
 

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I'm going to try meditation to see if it helps me stay in the present instead of over thinking things.
 
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