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Hi Guys,
This is my first post here.I have been lurking for about two months now.I have ignored a large number of threads based on
player behavior.Now before I get flamed,let me tell you why I found your site.My wife and I have been together for ten years now.I started exploring on the net to find ideas to get that newly married spark back.We still love each other very much&I plan on spending the rest of our lives together.Over the years due to my work schedule&raising 3 beautiful children,we are slowly losing touch with our passion&communication skills.If any of the users on this board have any advice on these minor problems I have,you are more than welcome to contribute to this thread.
 

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You need to learn how attraction works. Try David DeAngelo's ebook "Double Your Dating" for a relatively simple explaination.

You need to know what "lights a woman up" as far as attraction. Things like teasing, being playful, being challenging and aloof, being dominant in the relationship, being ****y.

I'd recommend the ebook and his Advanced Series.

If you don't know any of this stuff you better hurry up and get on the ball while you're still "happily" married :woo:

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We still have a strong attraction,but I will look into David's stuff.Have been reading about him through Google.Thanks.
 

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If you have a strong attraction that's great - but do you know WHY you have it?

Do you know how amplify it or what makes it stall out?

If you really get into this stuff you'll be able to work her attraction mechanism like a video game. And, in the end, that's what women really want in a guy........
 

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I don't know if I would be consulting advice from this place for a marriage. You'll end up having an affair with the constant barraging of "Oneitis, grow some balls, find another chick, move on" and all that other garbage that holds true to the player mentality, which is good, but doesn't apply to your situation.

I'm curious to your question too, seeing how my once happily married neighbors are now getting a divorce, or splitting up anyway. It seems to me that marriage is turning into a bad thing these days. Like gixxer said, I think you HAVE to keep up the attraction to make any relationship with a woman last. Many people say "Don't play games in a good relationship" but the games will play themselves if you don't be a man and do your part. We all know women don't think logically so we can't depend on them for sh*t.

It's obvious you have a problem or you wouldn't be here. It seems all men have a sixth sense that lets you know when something's just not right, I know I do. I may not be the best to give marriage or relationship advice, but all I can tell you to do now is to not overanalyze anything, and to start doing things out of the ordinary, may it be flowers or dinners or a getaway or something. Life can be a routine, and a shakeup now and then can't hurt.

I have no problem picking up girls, but I have problems keeping them down the line after a few months, so I'd like to see where this thread goes.....
 

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find a sitter for the kids for every wednesday night at like 7pm to 10pm.
take your wife somewhere, doesnt matter where, each week.
even if its to the back yard where the pool is.

date night is important for people that are married, with children, full time jobs . it lets you get rid of the kids, as much as you love them, its ok to admidt that sometimes you both need a break.
on date night, you dont talk about bills, chores, work or the kids.
you have 2 or 3 hours for you time and catch up on the relationship.

you see, after a while of being married and having kids back to back, we loose touch with dating and we stop getting closer and grow further apart.

you seem to have a minor problem, that can be fixed.

start having date night again, find a sitter that comes each week and take advantage of this while its still a little minor problem.
 

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penkitten,
Your advice makes good sense.Thanks.We are making plans so when I get home.I work in the Oil&Gas Industry so I am usually home about 1 week a month.So we have to cram our time together during that week as I live on site when I am on job.

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so you only get to go home one week amonth?

wow no wonder things are like you posted.

ok , so when you go home you have to cram everything in before you head out again.

i would plan a day to do something with just the wife, and a day to do something as a family. i would also like to add the last day should be filled of rest and a big dinner, whether its bbq or chili and a football game or a movie, make sure everyone is at home on the last day before you leave.
how old are the kids?
if they are old enough you could start a reward system for them . lets say you get home and their rooms are clean, their grades are good, and they minded mom while you were gone, give them some chucky cheese tokens or something. (when you go, pick up extra tokens for them to earn until you go again.)
this will encourage them to do well while you are gone, mind their mother and school work, and if they earn enough tokens thats where you can take them on family night.
if they didnt earn enough, family night will be something else a movie at home, softball in the yard, board games , who cares as long as you do something together.

things like this make it win win. they get some tokens and go have some fun. you and your wife have more time together when you are home. tightens down on the sibling fighting.


whatever you do, try not to cram it all in on the same day. your wife could make a list of things that need attention when you get home, as far as maintenance or yard work. you could jump on that the first full day you are there to get it done and over with.
have your wife help you get all the laundry done that has to be done before you leave back out if thats an issue.
things like grocery shopping need to be done before you get there, trust me she can do that, i would.
if you have to go over bills while you are home, do it the second day and get that done.

planning is best before you get there on both you and your wife's parts so you can spend as much time together and relax, rest up.

hope that helps.
 

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penkitten,
You again gave the best advice out of the entire thread.Thanks for the good advice and for thinking from the heart which is required in Marriage&Ltr's.These guys on this forum constantly annoy me talking about women like a butcher looking at a piece of meat.Just like men,there are good women out there.You just have be yourself,respect yourself,&find the right one as I gladly have.Again thanks for your input.

Cajun Bulldog
 

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well cajun those are just things ive learned along the way that seem to help in my situation.
i think there are alot more guys here who are not married or have never been compared to those that are married.
alot of the advise you will see on here will be more geared to those who are still picking the chicks up, or before they get married.
just weed thru the advise .
we all have to take different approaches to situations once we are in long term relationships or we are married to make the relationship last.
there are some really good and credible tips from other married men on here, but you have to search for it.
you can scan thru the bible or use the search function , however you still have to weed thru what you find.
 

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It never ceases to amaze me how readily divorced women (and somtimes thrice divorced) are to dispense tips on the makings for a great marriage. Or more fascinating, to hear pvssywhipped husbands parrot these same lines. Divorced guy's marriage advice is usually "just don't get married." So allow me to toss in my two cents here.

I've been married to a gorgeous, fun and loving woman for 9 years now and we've got fantastic, whip-smart 7 year old daughter. I'm no trying to gloss myself here, but I'm inclined to say I've got a pretty good marriage. In those 9 years I have yet to have a guy tell me he's getting more sex now than when he was single or dating his wife, but sex isn't the issue here - desire is the root of your problem.

As I've said in many previous threads, properly motivated women will move across the country, crawl under barb wire and out a 2 story window to fvck a guy she has the genuine desire to fvck. This apples equally to your wife of 10 years. Before marriage women look for ways to get laid with a guy they want to marry, after marriage they look for ways to avoid it, but it's desire that motivates it. Chris Rock says it best when he goes into sex after marriage - "I haven't fvcked in 8 years. I've had 'intercourse', but I haven't fvcked since I got married. I haven't had a blow_job in 8 years. I've had 'fellatio' but I haven't had my d!ck sucked in 8 years." This is the essence of desire after marriage; it becomes another chore to add to a woman's to-do list. Get the kids to soccer practice, go get groceries, fvck her husband and fold the laundry. Ad a fulltime job to that list and sleep becomes the new sex. But it's not about being tired or overwhelmed, it's about desire. My wife works a night shift at a hospital and if she came in at 2am and woke me up telling me she felt like having sex I could be in the deepest REM sleep and wake up to knock it out with her and be ready to go for two, because I want to have sex with her. Women love to play the "but I really want to, I'm just not into it now" card to counter this, but like any good DJ, never forget it's her behavior that defines intent, not her words. Remember, a woman will fvck; she might not fvck you, she might not fvck me, but she will fvck somebody. She just needs to be properly motivated.

All of those precondtions she had for you to accept YOUR offer of marriage - a good job, be a good provider, a good listener, be funny, have status, being reliable, a good pyshique; all of that does nothing to increase her desire to have sex with you. The single, bachelor DJ is concerned with Interest Levels the married Dj should be concerned with Desire Levels.

So how do you prompt this Desire? How do you get a woman who knows every intimate detail about you for the past 10 years properly motivated to fvck you like she did when you were 28? Women will cry, "more romance!" and men will roll their eyes and murmer "alcohol." Put out of your head right now all of thess feminine-correct notions that you need to "rekindle the fire" or find some gimmicky ritual that will lead you back to that desire she picked up from some article in Cosmo - I've gone down that road before. 'Date Night' is a bandaid for a symptom of a larger ill and this is a prolonged lack of Desire. There is nothing worse than going through the motions of a pre-planned, pre-scripted, 'date-like-you-used-to-have' only to have your wife lay on the bed like a dead fish. No amount of opportunity (which is what a date night is, scheduled opportunity) will lead to her wanting to have sex with you.

It's not about frequency, it's about quality. Frequency declines after marriage, it's just logistics (especially after kids), but spontanety doesn't have to. Would your wife fvck you in the car like she did when you were dating? Would she be up for fvcking in the great outdoors if you were hiking together somewhere? Would she be down for anything kinky that she hasn't done before or in ages or is it all just 'vanilla' sex now? Here's a list of things you should do froma a man's point of view:

Make her want it
If you've been married for 10 years, she probably feels pretty secure with you and whatever degree of control she has in regards to regulating the flow of sex. Make her uncomfortable. As counterintuitive as it sounds, this is the single most important advantage you can take. Begin to incrementally take the power that her intimacy has had sway over you for the past 10 years back from her. When you were unmarried even the slightest bit of anxiety that she may be put off for another, better prospect than herself prompted that desire to fvck you better than the others.

Most important though is to do this covertly. If you go popping off about how you're taking your balls back and she'd better shape up or you'll be looking for a woman who is into fvcking you, you're dead in the water. You have to imply with your attitude and behavior that somethng's changed in you. The best DJ principle to remember in marriage is that you will only get what you've gotten if you keep doing what you've done before.

The power of the 'takeaway'
In one form or another DJs use the takeaway to mold behavior. This is behavioral psychology 101, reinforce the behaviors you want and punish the ones you don't, all the time remembering that too much reward leads to satiation and cesation of the desired behavior. Don't buy your wife flowers in order to get her to fvck you, buy them AFTER she's performed accordingly and to your satisfaction. So many married men I know (even in their 60s:rolleyes: ) still atempt to purchase sex from their wives by 'allowing' them to buy expensive things thinking it will lead to 'appreciation sex'. In reality it will invariably lead to expected and desireless 'debt sex'. Remember, the pool boy that your wife cheats on you for didn't buy her a goddamn thing to make her want to fvck him.

Your attention is your best tool in this regard. One thing we tell AFCs on this forum is not to give away the farm on the first date and that women are by nature attention craving. When you give away your attention without her having to seek it it devalues your attention. This is a paradox in marriage because it's understood that she 'should' have 100% of your attention and after 10 years there is zero mystery about you. When you begin to take away attention she's grown accustomed to she will seek it. And again you must do this covertly as she will respond to it coverty. You have to be sensitive to the adjustments she makes in her attention seeking, in conversation, in posture, in habit and behavior, becasue she wont overtly tell you "oh please pay attention to me." This will add to her desire to have sex with you in order to reaffirm this attention. Sex then becomes a reinforcer for her in this attention seeking which you can then use to modify her behavior - in this case being genuine desire.

Other forms of the takeaway may include certain regularities she's grown used to over the years that she takes for granted. One of these is a regular kiss. I used this to a great effect with my own wife. I would regularly come home from work and go kiss my wife as soon as I saw her, she became accustomed to this and after a few years I came to realize that I was like a puppydog in this regard, immmediately seeking affection as soon as I got home so I began to take this away. Eventually she covertly recognized this and began to greet me at the door with a kiss. She was prompted to desire that connection by a takeaway.
 

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Stay in shape
Nothing kills married sex faster than one or both partners letting themselves go physically. Most married Mothers who do so love to use their pregnancies as justification for their lack of motivation and obesity. Arousal is the important component to desire. If your wife kept herself in bikini model shape after she'd been overweight your desire to fvck her would undoubtly increase. The same applies to you. Every day I'm in the gym I see countless 30 and 40 somethings straining and training as if their lives depended on it. Actually their sex-lives depend on it. For far too long we've been taught that "it's what's on the inside that counts" and how wonderful inner beauty is. Funny how hard men and women will train once they're divorced eh? The question is, what is it about their situation that would make them take care of themselves physically that they wouldn't while married? Before the divorce, they never had the time or motivation, but now it seems they have plenty of both.

By staying shape - and by that I mean better shape than your spouse if possible - you send a message, not only of confidence, but a covert understanding that she'll have some veiled competition for your attention. Thus you not only create genuine desire by physical arousal, but you simultaneously create a psychology of desire by prompting her natural competitive impulses.

Dont drive drunk
"It provoketh the desire, but taketh away the perfomance."

Alcohol is NOT an aphrodesiac. True, it does lower inhibitions and perhaps disposes your wife to lovemaking. After 9 years I've perfected the 'pantydropper' - that magic formula of just enough alcohol to get her going, but not so much as to have her passed out over the toilet bowl. Still, sex is better sober and the obvious setback of whiskeyd!ck isn't going to improve her already dubious desire to have sex in the first place. Understand the dynamics of her sexuality too. Strike while the iron's hot and be sure to be up and ready to go at the peak of her menstrual cycle. I have my wife's period down to a science now and I know that she's physically ready to rock & roll her best by week 2. Catch her right after a good workout and after I've come back from lifting and that's the benchmark for 'real' genuine sexual desire. You simply cannot inspire her to a standard of desire if one or both of you have a depressant in your blodstream. If anything you want to accelerate blood flow not impede it.

Spontaneous combustion
As Pook is wont to say, "predictable is BORING!" There's nothing more predictable than sex with the same person you've been getting busy with for 10 years. Oddly enough the spontanety principle is exactly why garbage advice like 'date night' and "keeping it fresh" articles in Marie Claire sell magazines and don't save marriages. All of these "freshen it up" ideas are predictable. For all of the wacky ideas you can come up with for 'new' sex, you're still fvcking the same old lady you married 10 years ago. You've got to be willing to push the envelope with her expectations of predictable sex.
Suggest it when she least expects it. Tell her to flash you her boobs or some other cheap thrill when the opportunity presents itself at the beach or somewhere semi-public. Creating a condition of desire doesn't have to directly and immediately lead to intercourse. Ask her for a hummer in the parking lot before you go to dinner one night. Even the asking is arousing. Even if she turns you down you can still use her rejection to your advantage since it implies that, perhaps at some point in time, she (or some other girlfriend you had) used to do this because she wanted to. When you do proposition your wife make it seem as if it just popped into your head at that very moment. Again, think covert, not overt. Overt requires planning and planning = predictable and boring. Covert implies spontanaety.


The Cardinal Rule of Relationships
In any relationship, whether romantic, personal, business or familial, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.

This may sound Machievielan, but it holds true, especially in marriage. If you are wondering who has the great degree of control in your relationship the answer is always her. Just like a good DJ knows, she must come to you. If you are the PRIZE and she recognizes this, you wlll inspire genuine desire. Women don't want to marry other women (with the obvious exceptions), they want to marry men and you have to man up and be a man to do so. So many married guys I know have walked their entire married lives on eggshells becasue they put their wives in a position of being the gatekeeper of his own sexuality. "She's got the vagina man, I don't wanna piss her off" is the mantra they repeat to them and themselves. This then flows over into other aspects of their lives and places a woman (often unwantedly so) into becoming the authority in the marriage. Just as in single life, if her intimacy is used as her agency to get a desired behavior from her husband that's the value it has. When you can prove to her that her pvssy is no longer a rewarding reinforcer for her desired behavior of you remove this agency and reset yoursef on at least a partial footing of your prior bachelorhood.

As I stated, women don't want to marry other women, neither do they want to marry themselves. In becoming accomodating for her by allowing her sexualty to dictate their behavior, men often see identifying with a woman as the best course of getting laid in marriage. And like in single life this ends up putting a man in a sort of married 'friends zone', with which a woman feels obligated to have sex occasionally. You've got to avoid these traps by maintaining a stubborn sense of your own identity and actively protect against identifying with her. You have to make her want you, by being her opposite.
 
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rollo that was very nice and detailed.

i think the guy that posted this is just away at work alot and has to cram so much in when he gets home.
i can think of ways that it seems very hard, and i can also see of ways that it can be good. for instance, you dont get sick of being in each others faces if you are away. haha

how can he do the unpredictible if he is away for weeks and then comes in for a week?
i think that would be advise he needs also.
 

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You cannot take away attention&spin a women on a string when you are in my situation.I get to see her and my kids 1 week per month.In ltr/marriage,communication is vital!Like I told penkitten,I am doing ok without help and I will definitely ignore useless advice:down:
 

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If man can master the power the the p*ssy, he can rule the world...
 

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Rollo that is a great post!!! Even if it doesn't apply to Cajun Bulldogs particular situation.

Very good read.
 
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