Emulate the Sociopaths when dealing with women

[KontrollerX]

"I agree with Slipper hero, I have used sociopath styles and have not, and I have to say I am much happier not using it and get the same results."

Cool.

Everyone should do only what they can handle.

"The vast majority of the Mainstream Pick Up Community is against using manipulative tactics"

Fvck what the mainstream community is doing or thinks.

Half those assh0les use ridiculous peac0cking techniques dressing themselves up like a clown rather than how they really want to dress just to attract a woman's attention and the other half wants your money for information you can get for free right here as well a few other sites.

Any of the possibly decent remaining ones left in between only pretend they believe in morality garbage when they go on the Oprah or Dr. Phil show for the express purpose of publicity.

The built in audience already hates them but they don't want to give the show enough ammunition to totally ruin their game which exposing their immoral techniques in full would do.

They go on the shows only to get exposure and fame which helps them in selling their products and also adds extra appeal and attraction from women.

Anyway the big point this hero guy is missing is here we don't give a fvck about being fair to women since they don't give a fvck about being fair to us.

This whole forum is not to be the mensa debate club or some AFC debate circle jerk, what this place exists for is to get men the best deal possible for themselves and some lying and some manipulation and some put on charm can go along ways towards accomplishing that.

It doesn't mean you have to be a total socio scumbag out to destroy, rather what it means is you sprinkle on a few of their tactics to add to your arsenal just like any other useful piece of advice you can find and like any piece of advice only use what you personally can handle.

If using women's same amoral mindset is too far out of your depth and you need to feel self righteous to get yourself out of bed in the morning I'd suggest reading only Interceptor posts from here on out.

If you are ready to learn everything and want to benefit yourself fully study the posts of everyone, read as many different gurus as you can and want to, listen to old episodes of the Tom Leykis show if you can find them on youtube or elsewhere, listen to player supreme, listen to and study from a whole bunch of different people and then come to your own opinion on whats right for you.

 

[MillenniumMike]

I can respect that point of view. However I don't believe all women are some organized group trying to destroy man. There is something women hate more than men and that is other women. For the most part its a minority of extremists like feminists who somehow flipped marriage and other rights on its head.

I agree with the sprinkle analogy, however I think the word sociopath is at the root of the problem here, self interest is probably a more effective term.

 

[MillenniumMike]

I can respect that point of view. However I don't believe all women are some organized group trying to destroy man. There is something women hate more than men and that is other women. For the most part its a minority of extremists like feminists who somehow flipped marriage and other rights on its head.

I agree with the sprinkle analogy, however I think the word sociopath is at the root of the problem here, self interest is probably a more effective term.

 

[KontrollerX]

"However I don't believe all women are some organized group trying to destroy man."

I think the feminists are an organized group out to destroy men's power and take it for themselves.

As for the rest of the women out there they likely could give a crap less about feminism much less any organized cause.

They are amoral which means as a gender they are beyond regarding moral values of good and evil while we men tend to waste our times with this sort of thinking when it comes to thinking about the dating game as a means to intellectually jack ourselves off and or feel self righteous about in addition to that.

Women as amoral creatures are moreso focused on getting their momentary biological urges satisfied if they deem no harm will come to them as a result in the realm of jail, prison, physical violence or social ostracization for doing so.

So normal women are not like the feminists in the sense they are not an organized cabal plotting the destruction of men but rather their amoral natures leads to the destruction of one too many morality crew lovin AFC bozos who believe the sweeties in front of them hold the same misplaced moral values as they do inside.

Save the morals for the people who believe in them boys namely your fellow man.

With women be a charming, deceiving, deceitful fun loving manipulative snake, as its exactly what she wants and she generally won't expect anything less.

She'll expect it because that is how she herself is on the inside but she doesn't think of herself that way, she doesn't think of herself as the lying manipulative, conning evil snake as being amoral she just rationalizes everything away as being necessary for her greater good which is a far more practical line of thought than the morality thinking we men plague ourselves with.

If you can't stomach that approach though simply being the strong commanding badass but still honest type of guy can work as well but if you get too goody goody with it and too morality'd up she'll look at you as wasting your own time and so very tiresome.

So save long morality discussions and self righteous chest thumping for when you are out with your buddies assuming they are of like mind.

Morality talk is like talking politics with women, you are just going to bore them to tears and into other more exciting men's arms.

"There is something women hate more than men and that is other women."

Couldn't agree with you more.

This is directly out of The Manipulated Man as well.

Not saying you ripped it off from the book just saying the author Esther Vilar says this as well and I am in absolute agreement with you both from what I have observed.

"self interest is probably a more effective term."

Agreed but I think Aneagma threw the word in as one of those kind of forum grenade reactionary words to not only net a strong reaction but to get people thinking and hopefully turn this topic into an interesting topic which I'd say he has accomplished quite well.

 

[pLaYtHiNg]

Plaything- this thread is not about you. It is not a debate on your history, its is not about your values, it is not about your "reputation". If you really need to talk about yourself so badly start a thread topic on it. I'm sure the board is more then happy to spend their time listening to some girl they don't know blather on about herself.

I did not make this thread about me. I will address the false accusations presented here about my character.

Go away unless you have something to discuss about the IDEAS presented in it.

Wow... that's exactly what I had been doing... discussing the topic at hand, asking questions, giving my points of view, and learning.

If men seriously wished women were different, they would encourage learning, not shun those who wish to. Otherwise men remain the ones claiming 'victimization' by all of the societal powers women have been 'given'. If you're not a part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

It's not wrong to steal from a theif
It's not wrong to lie to a liar
It's not wrong to cheat on a cheater
It's not wrong to manipulate a manipulator

Tit for tat, eye for an eye- the essence of justice.

Do you actually believe these things? It seems like they are self-perpetuating to me, and that only those with a strong sense of morals and ethics can rise above it... for themselves.

How does it happen? You go down the path of being a cheat and a liar, you alienate yourself from people who make some effort to adhere to a code of ethics. There are consequences. Particularly for someone like yourself who seems prone to expressing himself from a stance of anger and emotion, without first putting his brain in gear.

Excellent, this is what I mean by self-perpetuation. It gets nothing positive accomplished, either for the liar/cheater/manipulator or their 'victim', who could easily be a nice, caring individual underneath the harsh, critical exterior of your embittered view of women.

KontrollerX, I find your last post to be particularly depressing. If a woman isn't a feminist, and she isn't amoral, then what is she? Don't say 'in denial' either, because this is a serious question. Isn't it also the male way of 'rationalizing' everything away, the way women supposedly do?? (By saying they are either one or the other, and if they deny it it's only because they cannot see themselves for what they 'truly' are)??

It automatically closes the debate, when there is much more to be learned and shared.

I am finding the hypocrisies and double standards (in general) do make it more difficult for me to take men seriously.

 

[STR8UP]

Nobody ever claimed that there was a conspiracy. Matter of fact, aside from the hardcore feminist sisterhood who are mainly man hating lesbians anyway, women are OUT FOR THEMSELVES.

The problem isn't organized feminism, it is the fact that women (and feminized society in general) cherrypicks bits and pieces of feminist dogma without even understanding it. So what you get is a bunch of women who don't truly believe in it much less understand it running around taking advantage of the liberties that feminism allows them.

It's kind of like someone robbing a bank and during the car chase the bag of loot busts open and $50's and $100's start raining down on the people on the sidewalk. Can you blame them for grabbing a fistful of cash?

 

[STR8UP]

Shenanigans.

This is wrong and you know it. Now the fact of the matter is, affirmative action was put in place to give those minorities who have the capacity and drive a chance to work and integrate into society. And who did it benefit the most? White women followed by black women(you get a double hit with those), that's who. It has not helped the black man nearly as much, as most white men find him a threat.

Let me rephrase that.

Affirmative action was aimed at leveling the playing field (the PC version anyway) but it actually ended up amounting to reverse discrimination.

 

[Slipper Hero]

Excellent, this is what I mean by self-perpetuation. It gets nothing positive accomplished, either for the liar/cheater/manipulator or their 'victim', who could easily be a nice, caring individual underneath the harsh, critical exterior of your embittered view of women.

KontrollerX, I find your last post to be particularly depressing. If a woman isn't a feminist, and she isn't amoral, then what is she? Don't say 'in denial' either, because this is a serious question. Isn't it also the male way of 'rationalizing' everything away, the way women supposedly do?? (By saying they are either one or the other, and if they deny it it's only because they cannot see themselves for what they 'truly' are)??

It automatically closes the debate, when there is much more to be learned and shared.

I am finding the hypocrisies and double standards (in general) do make it more difficult for me to take men seriously.

I'll send you a link to another board that's predominantly male, Plaything. It can be pretty misogynistic, but it won't depress you in the way that this one does. It's like the bad boy who attracts women because he's cool, fun to be around and lets you know from the outset what he's about. This board is more of an angry, unhappy AFC. You feel as though you should try to help him because he keeps telling you about what a nice guy he used to be. Then you remember that being in his company tends to leave you feeling depressed and a bit negative about humanity.

 

[pLaYtHiNg]

Please do, and thanks. I am finding it difficult to learn the things I'd like to know here; being opposed based simply on my gender, and not my intent.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I don't know if I agree with emulating sociopathic behavior, but you do need a direction. There is a definable, observable variance in behaviors that women respond to, and this is generally one of self-interest. You can call the guy a Jerk or a Douche or a self-centered Prick, but that's the guy with direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chWQqk8OKyU

Do you have to be the Bad Boy Club Crawler with a spray tan and washboard abs? No, and most guys can't pull this off, but you do need something that works for YOU.

 

[KontrollerX]

"I find your last post to be particularly depressing. If a woman isn't a feminist, and she isn't amoral, then what is she?"

If she claims to be neither of those things then most of the time its not denial so much as it is rationalizing that she's not one of those things.

Of course here we do believe in exceptions to the rule so if there really was a woman out there that had all the moral beliefs and values of Interceptor or TheHumanist or Aristotle himself its still not worth much as far as mentioning it goes since the majority of western women are amoral and are feminist so finding the exception to the rule is like finding a needle in a haystack and not probable considering all the fierce competition out there. For every girl just turning 18 with all the great exceptional qualities that Penkitten possesses which makes that girl LTR or wifey material there is some lucky SOB at the right place and the right time whose already snapped her up in an LTR or marriage.

A morality crew DJ might then bust out with some oldschool DJ rhetoric from the golden age of Pook and say "No problem, just be the better guy and that kind of woman will soon be yours, you'll steal her away from him etc" to which I'd reply if I could steal a quality woman from her LTR boyfriend or husband then it just proves she wasn't quality to begin with.

No Plaything. The true exceptions to the rule, the rare gems do not compromise their integrity in relationships, they go on to lead fulfilled lives and long happy marriages from once again the first lucky jackass that displays both confidence to her and interest in her.

"Isn't it also the male way of 'rationalizing' everything away, the way women supposedly do?? (By saying they are either one or the other, and if they deny it it's only because they cannot see themselves for what they 'truly' are)??"

What you have to understand hon is everything we males do that is either hurtful or feels good to you women comes from a logical sensible place.

If we let another girl suck our c0ck while in a relationship with you its because logically we could give a fvck less if you found out if we're the player type of guy and for the AFC's or morality crew DJ's that cheat and yet do care about their woman they also do it from a logical place of well I'm going to do this because I'm horny for it, it feels good, and I'll never tell my main woman so as to avoid hurting her.

See all logical trains of thought that make sense minus rationalizations?

Women on the other hand would go suck some other guy off behind their boyfriend's back and then rationalize it away as not cheating because she was either drunk or she only sucked it for 5 minutes and didn't deep throat and on and on the self deluded b.s goes.

The difference is the Player DJ or the Morality DJ admits it to themselves in their own minds that what they are doing is cheating while the woman rationalizes their act away as not cheating by going to ever elaborate self deluded lengths to do so.

"I am finding the hypocrisies and double standards (in general) do make it more difficult for me to take men seriously."

Our forum is about getting men laid and getting men the most benefit for themselves.

That means we are not aiming at fairness nor do we care about double standards.

We aim with our advice at teaching things that will be effective.

Again we are not concerned with avoiding double standards, being fair or moral to women.

We are all about what works for men and there are many ways that work that we teach while being totally unconcerned with those things that unfortunately attract AFC debate mongers and feminist shame artists like that slipper f@g to forums like this.

BTW, if you really want to find a forum similar to this that will give you the fair discussion that you want go to the Tucker Max boards but don't bother with the link that hero assh0le wants to give you.

Its probably to the boredom retard fest over at RSD or to Next Level Lame or Loveshack.org.

Fvck those places.

Before I end the paragraph though I'm not sure if I agree with the others that you are an HPD.

You seem far too cerebral to be one of them but eh who knows really?

Read some threads about it and see for yourself.

Perhaps being made aware of that condition is all the guideance you'll ever need if you do infact have the condition as DonS and others believes.

For if you have HPD I assure you it is the root of every relationship problem you have ever had in your life.

 

[ketostix]

I don't know if I agree with emulating sociopathic behavior, but you do need a direction. There is a definable, observable variance in behaviors that women respond to, and this is generally one of self-interest. You can call the guy a Jerk or a Douche or a self-centered Prick, but that's the guy with direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chWQqk8OKyU

Do you have to be the Bad Boy Club Crawler with a spray tan and washboard abs? No, and most guys can't pull this off, but you do need something that works for YOU.

And that something never is what women say will work. Also women's words and actions never seem to coincide. I think those two things are the main ones that aggravate guys so much when some female comes on here spouting off.

 

[STR8UP]

The more accurate way to explain this would be that a man who wants to be successful with women would emulate certain behaviors that a sociopath might possess, not become a sociopath.

Ah! Here's a list. How convenient! I will take the liberty of highlighting some of these traits that might help to get you laid...

Grandiose sense of self-worth
Superficial charm
Criminal versatility
Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others
Impulse control problems
Irresponsibility
Inability to tolerate boredom
Pathological narcissism
Pathological lying
Shallow affect
Deceitfulness/manipulativeness
Aggressive or violent tendencies, repeated physical fights or assaults on others
Lack of empathy
Lack of remorse, indifferent to or rationalizes having hurt or mistreated others
A sense of extreme entitlement
Lack of or diminished levels of anxiety/nervousness and other emotions
Promiscuous sexual behavior, sexually deviant lifestyle
Poor judgment, failure to learn from experience
Lack of personal insight
Failure to follow any life plan
Abuse of drugs including alcohol
Inability to distinguish right from wrong

And the "well if you want to attract THAT type of woman" reasoning sounds nice but holds no water.

Fact is, many traits are shared by both the sociopath AND the alpha male. It has nothing to do with a "low quality woman" being the only one who will "fall for" them.

Oh yea, and on the plaything "learning" issue.....I think women are super lucky. They can come to a forum like this and the majority of advice is REAL and logical. Not the same for men. We can't go to ANY women's forum to get real advice.

Women live in a world that doesn't really allow genuine critical thought.

 

[pLaYtHiNg]

Thanks, KX. I'll look it up, (I am not sure what HPD is). Thanks for explaining everything as well. I know that this forum is about helping men get laid, the best possible deal, and to learn to be their own person through self-improvement and whatnot; I guess I also thought it would also equally be a good place to learn about men, their needs and expectations. I didn't come here to judge, but do find myself offering my opinions. Obviously I trust that the posters are intelligent enough to make their own call.

A morality crew DJ might then bust out with some oldschool DJ rhetoric from the golden age of Pook and say "No problem, just be the better guy and that kind of woman will soon be yours, you'll steal her away from him etc" to which I'd reply if I could steal a quality woman from her LTR boyfriend or husband then it just proves she wasn't quality to begin with.

I agree with this 100%. Absolutely true. It shows a lot about someone's character if they are reckless with others' feelings, (regardless of the 'situation' at the time), they'll be reckless with yours, sooner or later, and are probably going to be more trouble then they're worth.

Don't get me wrong, I have learned a lot here, but am finding that my opportunities could have been broadened if I had not revealed myself to be female. (I had just thought it better to be honest from the beginning). There seems to be way too much focus on my gender here, even though I am here for the same reasons everyone else is, (to learn, and get the best possible deal).

I don't want to start a thread all about me, just kind of learn as I go and offer my perspectives, not because I have bad intentions, but because it is my nature to want to help others. I left a predominantly female forum because they are too whimsical for my tastes. I do like and appreciate male honesty when it is present.

The more accurate way to explain this would be that a man who wants to be successful with women would emulate certain behaviors that a sociopath might possess, not become a sociopath.

I knew this is what the OP meant, but when I responded initially, I did the girly thing and automatically think of all the negative traits sociopaths possess. Secondarily, I also felt that pretending to be someone you're not, (sociopath or not), isn't being true to yourself. To me, it says, "I am not good enough as I am, I must pretend to be better, so others will think I am better". Of course, this can be a positive thing if you do believe in Self-Fulfilling Prophecies and you focus on being optimistic and accepting yourself. Hey, and you know what? Sociopaths ARE optimistic and accepting of themselves. LOL

It really is the manipulation of others, no matter your gender, that appalls me. I was just raised to believe that you treat others as you would like to be treated. Yeah, I know, men don't care about being fair, and I accept that, but will be weary of forming relationships with like-minded people in the future. I am deeply afraid of being manipulated, but so far my good sense in life has left me well off.

Anyways, I know that no one is going to change my mind, and I'm not going to change anyone else's minds, but the exchange of information and perspectives are interesting, and give me much to think about.

Oh yea, and on the plaything "learning" issue.....I think women are super lucky. They can come to a forum like this and the majority of advice is REAL and logical. Not the same for men. We go to ANY women's forum to get real advice.

Women live in a world that doesn't really allow genuine critical thought.

I agree with you 100%. I did not get much useful information from a woman's forum, and had a hard time relating to some of them. There is too much, (good-natured, I'm sure) sugar-coating and reassurance to really feel as though they are taking you seriously. It's kind of like shoving a pacifier into a baby's mouth, or sending you away with a pat on the head. Actually, I found it condescending, at times. Here, I did know I would be met with resistance, but felt the potential to gain knowledge and understanding would be worth it. It has been.

 

[KontrollerX]

We've had a lot of problems on this forum in the past with female trolls who form alliances with our more beta male membership which leads to massive flame wars Plaything so this could be the reason why so much hate has been dumped upon you by the forum membership thus far.

Perhaps you are here to honestly learn and contribute to the community though.

Str8up and myself seem to think so or at least give you the benefit of the doubt for the time being but DonS and others have made a few good points about your using the typical feminist style shaming on us AT TIMES which is ultimately unproductive and inflammatory here.

Perhaps sometimes that is just an unconscious chick thing though.

In anycase Penkitten our longtime resident female poster has been mistaken as a female troll in the past and been hit with massive hate but she enjoyed the forum community so much and genuinely wanted to help out so most everyone gradually came to accept her.

You could do the same.

Just read some iqqi and wyldfyre posts first and don't act like them, rather carry yourself more like Penkitten and Water Tiger (another great female contributor) and you'll eventually be accepted here.

Dropping the pink text and profile half nude icon might help as well, they don't personally bother me but you've likely been given so much sh!t as those types of things from female posters are considered manipulative and attention wh0rish which just invites scorn from the men here as they take those things to mean that a woman is not here to learn and contribute but to seek attention for herself which simply distracts and disrupts the harmony of the group.

In closing if anything this place may help you develop a thicker skin which can help out there in the world harsh as it can be at times. :rock:

 

[STR8UP]

Don't get me wrong, I have learned a lot here, but am finding that my opportunities could have been broadened if I had not revealed myself to be female. (I had just thought it better to be honest from the beginning). There seems to be way too much focus on my gender here.....

I agree. You are being judged harshly because you are a woman. Thing is, you would have been outed as woman within 5 posts even without the nAmE and the pink writing.

We are good like that.

I knew this is what the OP meant, but when I responded initially, I did the girly thing and automatically think of all the negative traits sociopaths possess.

"Negative" is a subjective term. A lot of traits that are considered negative by many, are actually attractive to women. The knee-jerk response most people have to them is NEGATIVE, but women respond POSITIVELY to them nonetheless.

Secondarily, I also felt that pretending to be someone you're not, (sociopath or not), isn't being true to yourself. To me, it says, "I am not good enough as I am, I must pretend to be better, so others will think I am better". Of course, this can be a positive thing if you do believe in Self-Fulfilling Prophecies and you focus on being optimistic and accepting yourself.

Fallacy. Has nothing to do with "self fulfilling prophecies". You can spit shine it and wrap it up with a pretty bow if you like, but a loser is a loser unless he does something about it. That's what you are saying- a loser should remaiin a loser. Being true to yourself is great if it gets you results in any aspect of life, but for most people it means just the opposite.

Essentially you are telling us that if a male child is socialized for and has a genetic disposition toward certain traits that it is "ok" for him to reap the benefits, but a man who learns and practices it later in life is being deceitful to himself and others? This is a typical female/AFC way of thinking.

Truth is, you don't like it when men learn how to consciously change the game, because it means that you might get tricked into the sack by a beta male. You don't realize it and probably won't acknowledge it, but it's 100% truth.

I agree with you 100%. Women also have double standards, and are largely emotionally based, which is why I came to a men's forum. I did know I would be met with resistance, but felt the potential to gain knowledge and understanding would be worth it. It has been. [/size]

The backlash is nothing personal. I personally have no issue with women posting if they are here for the right reasons. We have had our share of female trolls and those who have no desire to learn, so if you want to stick around be prepared to prove yourself.

Oh yea, and if you want the straight up, uncensored TRUTH, check out roissy's blog at http://roissy.wordpress.com/

 

[pLaYtHiNg]

We've had a lot of problems on this forum in the past with female trolls who form alliances with our more beta male membership which leads to massive flame wars Plaything so this could be the reason why so much hate has been dumped upon you by the forum membership thus far.

I understand that, and I really don't take it personally, but when my agenda is to learn, and my opportunities to do so are limited because of my gender, I kind of sit back and think, "Well, do guys want/wish women to be different or not?" This is what I meant by it's difficult to take men (here) seriously.

Perhaps you are here to honestly learn and contribute to the community though.

Str8up and myself seem to think so or at least give you the benefit of the doubt for the time being but DonS and others have made a few good points about your using the typical feminist style shaming on us AT TIMES which is ultimately unproductive and inflammatory here.

Perhaps sometimes that is just an unconscious chick thing though.

Exactly! Well, shaming is just something we aren't really aware of, and that is one thing I have learned about myself... I have been shamed so much in my life, it's only second nature to turn around and do it to others. However, this does not mean at all, that is a conscious thought. Women don't realize these tactics are unproductive because they can and do gain results with other women and some men. I am happy to have the opportunity to open my mind and improve myself, and become more accessible as a person, because ultimately I do feel it will benefit me. Yes, I am selfish.

Dropping the pink text and profile half nude icon might help as well, they don't personally bother me but you've likely been given so much sh!t as those types of things from female posters are considered manipulative and attention wh0rish which just invites scorn from the men here as they take those things to mean that a woman is not here to learn and contribute but to seek attention for herself which simply distracts and disrupts the harmony of the group.

I can understand how one might think I'm "attention wh0ring". Again, the double standard I am confused about. When I came here initially I posted a very conservative photo of myself and was bashed because I wasn't showing enough. I wasn't this and I wasn't that, and take off the stupid hat. LOL I'm really not the type of person to care what others think, so it was more or less to humor you all. As for the pink text, well when I see DayDream Engineer getting bashed for writing in blue as much as I write in pink, I'll change the color. Come on, people, the options to make your posts different colors are there for a reason. I'm not going to apologize for utilizing it.

In closing if anything this place may help you develop a thicker skin which can help out there in the world harsh as it can be at times. :rock:

Thanks. Trust me though, I've been through enough in my life that nothing here really phases me. Even the personal attacks. My only fault is that I do really feel the need to call out on the false accusations. I am not conceited enough to believe certain individuals here are just jealous... yet.

I agree. You are being judged harshly because you are a woman. Thing is, you would have been outed as woman within 5 posts even without the nAmE and the pink writing.

We are good like that.

So, no need to change, right?

The knee-jerk response most people have to them is NEGATIVE, but women respond POSITIVELY to them nonetheless.

Although I know what you are talking about, I honestly can't relate on a personal level right now. I need to take some time for reflection to see if I can honestly come up with some of these traits that I am attracted to. It'd be interesting to see how many of them I've been attracted to, or tolerated in the past...

but a loser is a loser unless he does something about it. That's what you are saying- a loser should remaiin a loser.

No, Sir! I am all for honest self-improvement, not the facade of self-improvement, without the actual time and effort invested into becoming something better for ONESELF.

The backlash is nothing personal. I personally have no issue with women posting if they are here for the right reasons. We have had our share of female trolls and those who have no desire to learn, so if you want to stick around be prepared to prove yourself.

Oh yea, and if you want the straight up, uncensored TRUTH, check out roissy's blog at http://roissy.wordpress.com/

Thank you very much for that, I am on my way to check it out. I am not really here to prove anything to anyone, I just want to learn and grow as a person, so whatever people think, they are entitled to it. I'm not bothered that much.

ETA: I found this, searching HPD on this site. I am quite confident I am not, but is there a more detailed description of the characteristics and whatnot? Thanks.

 

[KontrollerX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8msOeHlOiTo

At the top link this doctor goes through what it is Plaything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djCEDdF_MNg

This second link you'll need to make a youtube account to see but it will teach you probably more that you want to know about the male mindset.

Hopefully the links work.

 

[Mangina]

Socialpaths do get the girls!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2MzH0A6Vlk

 

[STR8UP]

Exactly! Well, shaming is just something we aren't really aware of, and that is one thing I have learned about myself... I have been shamed so much in my life, it's only second nature to turn around and do it to others. However, this does not mean at all, that is a conscious thought.

Most women and many men go through their entire lives unconscious of their shaming of others. Consider yourself lucky.

Women don't realize these tactics are unproductive because they can and do gain results with other women and some men. I am happy to have the opportunity to open my mind and improve myself, and become more accessible as a person, because ultimately I do feel it will benefit me. Yes, I am selfish.

Actually, they ARE productive if they produce results.

Shaming is a means to psychologically control others. Women shame men to allow themselves to be able to have their cake and eat it too (party in their 20's, hunt for a man in their 30's and beyond).

I would be willing to bet that everyone on this board has been guilty of unconsciously shaming others for their own benefit.

The fact that you recognize and admit that you are "selfish" just like every last person on the face of this earth makes you more self aware than even a good percentage of men on this board.

I can understand how one might think I'm "attention wh0ring". Again, the double standard I am confused about. When I came here initially I posted a very conservative photo of myself and was bashed because I wasn't showing enough.

You won't win that battle, so don't even try.

So, no need to change, right?

As long as they make an effort to write like an adult I could care less how anyone posts.

Although I know what you are talking about, I honestly can't relate on a personal level right now. I need to take some time for reflection to see if I can honestly come up with some of these traits that I am attracted to. It'd be interesting to see how many of them I've been attracted to, or tolerated in the past...[/COLOR][/SIZE]

That's because you have never even given it a passing thought. There is a disconnect between your conscious thought process and your actions.

Not too many women are even aware of what specific qualities they are attracted to. Interview 10 women that have profiles on dating sites. Ask them what their past boyfriends were like, and compare that to what their profile says they are looking for. Women have a good idea of what PHYSICAL traits they are looking for but are generally clueless about the intangible things that push their buttons.

No, Sir! I am all for honest self-improvement, not the facade of self-improvement, without the actual time and effort invested into becoming something better for ONESELF.

You used the term "accept yourself". While not the opposite of self improvement, if you really suck it might as well be.

Thank you very much for that, I am on my way to check it out.

Roissy's blog can be a tough pill to swallow, I warn you. A lot of men don't even get it, but if you can get past the controversial subject matter and the un-PC opinions, it's a wealth of information.