Emulate the Sociopaths when dealing with women

[The Logical Player]

If you need to lie to get ***** then i think something is wrong.

Like if you're new and using a canned opener that probably hasn't happened to you to break the ice that's ok, but seriously devieving a girl? Why?

why not? there is no law written against it, and if it helps us get what we want out of the interaction, then there is nothing wrong it with it.

 

[intrextrovert]

why not? there is no law written against it, and if it helps us get what we want out of the interaction, then there is nothing wrong it with it.

Because I and what I assume the "Don Juan" that everyone here wants to be appreciate women, and love them for the most part. Those who don't build will destroy.

And even if you are one of the guys who hate women, you should be good enough to get the woman you want. If you're not, improve yourself. That's what this site is about.

Btw get some damn morals. Would you advocate shooting someone in order to grab that 20 in his wallet? This to the if it helps you there's nothing wrong with it.

 

[STR8UP]

Btw get some damn morals. Would you advocate shooting someone in order to grab that 20 in his wallet? This to the if it helps you there's nothing wrong with it.

The wool has been pulled over your eyes.

You can't compare murder to lying, especially when it comes to the mating game.

Society would like you to believe that they are one and the same, but these "rules" that you think you should be playing by are generally ignored by women.

It's like going into a street fight with a convicted murderer thinking that head butts and eye gouging are off limits. I'm sure Mr. Convicted Felon appreciates your noble actions as much as women do.

 

[The Logical Player]

Because I and what I assume the "Don Juan" that everyone here wants to be appreciate women, and love them for the most part. Those who don't build will destroy.

And even if you are one of the guys who hate women, you should be good enough to get the woman you want. If you're not, improve yourself. That's what this site is about.

Btw get some damn morals. Would you advocate shooting someone in order to grab that 20 in his wallet? This to the if it helps you there's nothing wrong with it.

there is nothing wrong with lying to women that you owe nothing to in order to get sex from them as often as possible. Don't compare it to murder, I am not taking a human life to get what I want, you idiot.

I love women, how many times do I have to say it to morons like you?? I LOVE WOMEN, and I know how they work, which is why i WILL tell them that I played college basketball, I WILL tell them that I own several businesses on the side, and I WILL tell them that I love them if that is what they want to hear in order to keep that p*ssy around.

You on the other hand, are trying to be all super moral in hopes that it will attract p*ssy, only to get bitter later on when you see that your grand master AFC plan has failed, and then YOU will be the woman hater in the future.

 

[STR8UP]

It is possible for a woman to love a man who plays to her fantasies through deceit, but she will more often hold contempt for the man who fails to ignite a spark.

 

[intrextrovert]

Just for first, I wasn't comparing the gun thing to what's in this thread. Just that general statement of it doesn't matter as long as it helps me irks me, change it to the context if you mean it in context. Also STR8UP you ever been in a fight? You eye gouge and you're asking to get killed instead of just getting the **** beat out of you if you lose. Though I get what you mean, and I disagree. I'm pretty good at knowing when someone is lying, and if I think they are lying about something serious (not something harmless like age, whether they have a bf or whatever, stuff like that) they are gone.

And you guys really don't know me, so try not to assume. If ya want to know something you can ask, which I suggest if you want to attack my personality. I don't walk around like a ****in white knight, and I do not rely on morals to attract women. Chivalry is far from the top of the list of my traits. I've lied, cheated and stolen just like everyone in the world. Is it wrong that I like to be honest? Does it make me an AFC that I don't lie to get sex like you guys? I tell the truth when I can, if I don't want someone to know something I avoid the topic or tell them straight up it's my business. If a girl doesn't like me without a "few businesses on the side" or whatever, she can gtfo.

You guys can lie all you want, it's fine by me. If you have to lie to get *****, do what you gotta do. I just think it's retarded, especially on a site like this.

 

[The Logical Player]

Just for first, I wasn't comparing the gun thing to what's in this thread. Just that general statement of it doesn't matter as long as it helps me irks me, change it to the context if you mean it in context. Also STR8UP you ever been in a fight? You eye gouge and you're asking to get killed instead of just getting the **** beat out of you if you lose. Though I get what you mean, and I disagree. I'm pretty good at knowing when someone is lying, and if I think they are lying about something serious (not something harmless like age, whether they have a bf or whatever, stuff like that) they are gone.

And you guys really don't know me, so try not to assume. If ya want to know something you can ask, which I suggest if you want to attack my personality. I don't walk around like a ****in white knight, and I do not rely on morals to attract women. Chivalry is far from the top of the list of my traits. I've lied, cheated and stolen just like everyone in the world. Is it wrong that I like to be honest? Does it make me an AFC that I don't lie to get sex like you guys? I tell the truth when I can, if I don't want someone to know something I avoid the topic or tell them straight up it's my business. If a girl doesn't like me without a "few businesses on the side" or whatever, she can gtfo.

You guys can lie all you want, it's fine by me. If you have to lie to get *****, do what you gotta do. I just think it's retarded, especially on a site like this.

its not real lying, its just playing the game.

If there was no game to be played, then I wouldn't play the game, but with dating being as complicated as it's ever been before in the history of this planet, the game has been established by feminism - and its my responsibility to play ABOVE the game and not fall into the AFC moral honesty trap.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Because I and what I assume the "Don Juan" that everyone here wants to be appreciate women, and love them for the most part. Those who don't build will destroy.

Those who destroy, destroy. WTF man.

Not every one here aspires to reach "Don Juan" nirvana. Not like that means anything anyway.

There's other ways than blatant lies that in the long run work MUCH better and require less effort. Like knowing how to present things positively. Like a salesman.

 

[intrextrovert]

Those who destroy, destroy. WTF man.

Not every one here aspires to reach "Don Juan" nirvana. Not like that means anything anyway.

There's other ways than blatant lies that in the long run work MUCH better and require less effort. Like knowing how to present things positively. Like a salesman.

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

 

[pLaYtHiNg]

"It's your baby"

When this is a lie, that's all you need to know about the woman. Think of the personal, social and psychological ramifications this lie has, not only for the man and the woman, but "their" child, families, friends, and every aspect of society that encounters this lie. Think of the overarching duration and impact this lie has. What lie can a man tell that's as equitable with this on as many levels? What lie can a man tell that has as permanent and as life damaging consequences for as many people? Only a woman can tell this lie.

I concur. This has to be the ultimate deception, and it is one I truly do not wish upon my worst enemy. My brother is going through this sort of thing at this time, and I feel for him, and any other man, past and present, who has been handed this most hurtful of lies. There is no excuse for saying something like this, ever.

1. She has an admitted long history of bad boys.

Really? I do? When did I say such a thing?

2. Her last LTR was with a guy who ended up in prison for nearly a year.

And? His mother passed away and he got mixed up with Meth. I had to leave him, he wasn't healthy in his mind. When I tried to leave, that's when he assaulted me, landing himself in jail.

3. Even after swearing off bad boys, she's admitted that there is a possiblity she'll get back with the jail boy.

I talked to him once, and found comfort in closure, but never said I was going to get back with him.

Then in this thread she takes the path of self-righteous indignation: "What, women lie and manipulate? humpf! Give me an example!" Hmmmm....I don't know, how about the fact that 30% of paternity tests show that the man listed on the birth cerficate isn't the father. That's just a little innocent white lie now, isn't it? Or telling the guy she is on birth control when she's not. Oh, I know your response: "Oopsies!".

I really don't know where you'd get the idea that I'd think lying to a man about birth control, or whether the baby is his or not is something I'd stand up for. That's BullSugar.

Imagine how many players had taken their turn naling her pusssy

I have had only three relationships.

The weak females attach to a superior male host to siphon off resources...

Oh really? I manage my life without a "superior male host" so I guess I'm not a 'weak female' huh?

Look at her profile pic; she's got on a bikini, strapped high-heels and she's bending over. Oh, yeah, she's a good girl all right.

Damned if I do, Damned if I don't.

If she wants to speak when spoken to, I have no problem, but to allow her to continue to pollute the board with this female-serving drivel is reprehensible.

If you don't like it, don't read it.

 

[captain underpants]

flame wars on so suave reminds me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos

 

[Aenigma]

Plaything- this thread is not about you. It is not a debate on your history, its is not about your values, it is not about your "reputation". If you really need to talk about yourself so badly start a thread topic on it. I'm sure the board is more then happy to spend their time listening to some girl they don't know blather on about herself.

Basically- you are irrelevent to this thread. Go away unless you have something to discuss about the IDEAS presented in it.

 

[Aenigma]

So yeah re-written this is basically a topic encouraging the useful traits of charm and deception to attain your goal.

The only thing that makes the topic seem spooky or wrong is the word "sociopath".

Its just a word.

Exactly. In retrospect it was a poor word choice. If I started the thread again I would not use the word sociopath. The word sociopath has many negative connotations that I did not intend. I'm not advocating completely shutting off all emotions or livig without any sort of internal moral compass- rather I'm saying that its both ethical and useful to flip the book on girls and employ the same moral code that they have when dealing with them in any sort of sexual relationship (business is different).

It's not wrong to steal from a theif
It's not wrong to lie to a liar
It's not wrong to cheat on a cheater
It's not wrong to manipulate a manipulator

Tit for tat, eye for an eye- the essence of justice.

Would you advocate shooting someone in order to grab that 20 in his wallet?

If someone got that 20 by shooting someone and taking it out of the victim's wallet then I would have no moral/ethical problem with it. It's the moral equivelent of what I'm advocating in this thread.

 

[STR8UP]

In playgirl's defense, I don't see her attention wh0ring on this thread.

She started out very critical of the message of the OP, and it sounded to me like she was actually listening when we answered her questions.

 

[Slipper Hero]

Big suprise- a woman "debates" me in the only way they know how- by emotional manipulation in the form of a personal attack.

Wait though....isn't your entire argument based on an attack on American women? Haven't you labelled American women as liars, cheats and manipulators, in order to rationalise any unethical ways in which you behave towards women in the future?

Why would you be angry with someone else for conversing with you using the methods you yourself employ?

I never did. Lying and manipulation should be another tool in the chest for a DJ. Not the only ones.

The average american woman is a joke. To quote Diseal 95% of them are worthless for anything other then ****ing. The sad part is that 4.99% of the remaining 5 are either taken, fat, stupid or ugly.

If opening car doors, buying flowers, and acting respectfully, like or mothers taught us, actually worked- then none of us would be here. This site would never have been up.

I would say that one of your main problems involves not being particularly bright. We've already witnessed your efforts at debating to know that. A dull intellect combined with sucking up is bound to get you walked over. What you're now proposing is that you try emulating a sociopath emulating a normal person. Lying and cheating in order to get some benefit at another person's expense. Gaining trust then abusing it. That kind of thing.

You use the term sociopath, advocate emulating one... but seem lacking in basic knowledge about sociopaths. First of all, rather than lying and cheating to get their own interests met, they lie and cheat for the purposes of instant gratification - the consequences of which may well hurt them as much as they hurt anyone else. In some cases more. Secondly, a lot of them end up in prison.

How does it happen? You go down the path of being a cheat and a liar, you alienate yourself from people who make some effort to adhere to a code of ethics. There are consequences. Particularly for someone like yourself who seems prone to expressing himself from a stance of anger and emotion, without first putting his brain in gear.

Exactly. Nice dosen't work. Assshole does.

Manipulate lying Assshole who selfishly follows their interests without any emtional empathy = a woman who is following her feminine perogatives.

Manipulate lying Assshole who selfishly follows their interests without any emtional empathy = evil callous deadbeat man who is publicly verbaly castigated but privately rewarded with hot dripping wet poon.

See how many typos you're making? You're venting. Out of control. You don't even have the discipline to formulate a reasoned, well presented argument. Are you asking people here to award you credibility as someone who is in any way worth listening to? Or are you just looking for validation, and going along this route because well, a lot of guys here seem to like talking tough about women. If you do the same thing they'll like you, even if you're inequipped to support any points you make beyond reacting aggressively towards anyone who disputes them

Reality cannot be denied without consequence.

That's the only thing you've said that I agree with - but in light of the extent to which you're advocating dishonesty and hypocrisy, you hardly seem like a fit person to be saying it. Or is integrity something you're going to try next month?

 

[Slipper Hero]

LOL, you'll notice women will ignore the discussion at hand and launch into multiple over-the-top shaming and personal attacks; all in only 4 posts! ...And they wonder how we can spot female trolls so quickly.

The old, fat and bitter ones never seem able to hold out very long before their existential crisis spills over onto the rest of us.

If any of you never been married guys would like to get a glimpse of being married to your typical American woman for anything longer than a couple months, read below:



Imagine being married to this deadbeat sow and having to listen to this day after day, year after year. And when you've finally had enough, she legally takes your children, your home, and half your income for the next 18 years.

Don't get married!

You should definitely not get married, Don S. If that's your idea of cogent and intelligent debate, you'd be destined for a shafting by the legal system.

Incidentally, why is it that any poster who you assume to be a woman is automatically a "troll"? In what sense was my post trollish? Is yours not?

 

[The Logical Player]

is this Slipper Hero person going to post and actual counter argument, or just bash men?

I want to see an actual argument that states reasons why it is bad to be a sociopath that gets exactly what he wants from women. an actual FACTUAL argument, not just man bashing

FACTUAL ARGUMENT

NOT MAN BASHING

is that possible for a woman or an AFC to do? to make a clear logical point to debate another point?

 

[Slipper Hero]

is this Slipper Hero person going to post and actual counter argument, or just bash men?

I want to see an actual argument that states reasons why it is bad to be a sociopath that gets exactly what he wants from women. an actual FACTUAL argument, not just man bashing

FACTUAL ARGUMENT

NOT MAN BASHING

is that possible for a woman or an AFC to do? to make a clear logical point to debate another point?

Of course I'm happy to present a logical argument, though you might not want to perceive it as logical. One problem is that you're asking people to comment on whether it's okay or bad to be a sociopath, but it's not clear that you have much idea of what a sociopath or psychopath actually is. Nor are you defining what you mean by bad. Bad in terms of the consequences for anyone who the sociopathic decides (using his own subjective judgement) to be deserving of dishonesty and ill treatment? Bad because of the absence of any guiding moral code? Bad in terms of the sociopath bringing negative consequences upon himself, through his own behaviour? Bad because the sociopath refuses to take responsibility for the consequences of his own actions...instead exercising poor judgement and making the same old mistakes over and over?

I said in my previous post that psychopaths or sociopaths often have very poor internal controls, particularly where the psychopathy is coupled with low intelligence. The desire for instant gratification often results in them indulging in behaviours which are harmful to others. Lacking remorse, they're more likely to indulge in those behaviours and tend not to learn from the negative consequences (to them) of their own behaviour. Instead, preferring to blame other people or external circumstances.

Here's the checklist, taken from wiki:

Grandiose sense of self-worth
Superficial charm
Criminal versatility
Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others
Impulse control problems
Irresponsibility
Inability to tolerate boredom
Pathological narcissism
Pathological lying
Shallow affect
Deceitfulness/manipulativeness
Aggressive or violent tendencies, repeated physical fights or assaults on others
Lack of empathy
Lack of remorse, indifferent to or rationalizes having hurt or mistreated others
A sense of extreme entitlement
Lack of or diminished levels of anxiety/nervousness and other emotions
Promiscuous sexual behavior, sexually deviant lifestyle
Poor judgment, failure to learn from experience
Lack of personal insight
Failure to follow any life plan
Abuse of drugs including alcohol
Inability to distinguish right from wrong

Anyone who adopts an antisocial pattern of behaviour encompassing those traits to a psychopathic degree is going to be disliked and alienated by people who function on a normal, healthy level. I'm not disputing that there will be some women who are attracted to men with those traits - possibly because they have traits that complement them. If attracting those women is your goal, and if that's an important enough goal that you're prepared to deal with the negative consequences of engaging in psychopathic behaviour, then that's the choice you'll make.

Other people will express negative judgements about that. It's one of the inevitable consequences of behaving like a psychopath. If you're going to get really tetchy and upset about that, then being a sociopath isn't for you. Believe it or not, freedom of expression doesn't begin and end with you. Everyone is entitled to express their opinions....regardless of whether you find those opinions "shaming".

 

[Warrior74]

Men's opportunities though Affirmative Action? You realize that does not strictly aid women's equality, right??

Affirmative Action is essentially reverse discrimination targeted toward white men.

Shenanigans.

This is wrong and you know it. Now the fact of the matter is, affirmative action was put in place to give those minorities who have the capacity and drive a chance to work and integrate into society. And who did it benefit the most? White women followed by black women(you get a double hit with those), that's who. It has not helped the black man nearly as much, as most white men find him a threat.

 

[MillenniumMike]

I agree with Slipper hero, I have used sociopath styles and have not, and I have to say I am much happier not using it and get the same results. The vast majority of the Mainstream Pick Up Community is against using manipulative tactics, I am not saying you have to be an AFC and say everything you feel, but generally you can be honest that you are dating other girls and the girls wont mind.