Emulate the Sociopaths when dealing with women

[ketostix]

Men's Jobs. Like what, exactly? Be specific. Like, any type of employment? If so, how is a woman to support herself before becoming married and leeching off of her husband? Or, are there "Man-Specific" jobs you think women should not be allowed to perform?? Should we only be Candy Striper's and School Teachers?

Don't play dumb. Women go after the best jobs. They get affirmative action hiring for government and corporate jobs. Jobs like police, fire, and others that they are the most qualified for. This preferential treatment starts in public school. Women are treated preferentially in college. They are taking over the medical field and turning it into a girl's network. A woman graduates in engineering and she gets first dibs on the best jobs. Women get all kinds of social and societal support to go into careers that they are not naturally qualified for and push men out of them.

Men's opportunities though Affirmative Action? You realize that does not strictly aid women's equality, right??

What?

Freedom of Speech and Expression through Politcal Correctness? Shaming?? What can't you say and express (through 'political correctness')? What are you being shamed for??

What can men say about women that doesn't get shamed and ridiculed?

I don't know about women disparaging everything masculine, you are going to have to be super specific and explain your point of view so that I may understand it better.

Everything male is construed as shauvanistic, creepy, predatory etc.

Oh, for those of you who don't want to pay Child Support, don't make babies. Men who actually have the NERVE to COMPLAIN about contributing to the survival of their own progeny need a vasectomy, if not worse. If you want, pursue custody. It's the 2000's and not uncommon nowadays. The thought that someone could make a baby and actually complain about feeding and clothing their child makes me ill.

See this is your typical female solution to everything. Don't like how women are, go gay! Don't like that women get default child custody, don't have to prove paternity, don't like that it's a woman's sole decision to maintain a pregnancy, don't like that child support has no real cap, then don't have sex you dumb bastard!

A man supporting his children does not mean sending the woman who has custody of his children a big check every month for her to spend mostly on her self.

I'm really getting the feeling I may be more naive than I thought about certain things... Are so many people, (men and women) actively lying, manipulating and taking advantage of each other?? I'd really like to think not, but I am truly being delusional in believing it? Is anyone out there actually honest? No wonder people gain a sense of pessimism and resentment for the opposite sex...

Well most women are so self-centered they are clueless of how men feel about the situation. Plus no man dares say anything from fear of being ostracized.

Thank you all for your patience! Hopefully understanding these things will put me at an advantage whenever I do find myself in a relationship again; I hope that results in a deeply satisfying partnership.

Yeah I get it. It's all about how you can benefit from this information.

 

[Brutus]

KontrollerX, it's obvious I stepped on your toes when I labeled Fingz a legend, seems to me you had some kind of conflict so he left and started his own forum and now you have a hard-on for him. Very mature.

I think you didn't read my post right. I didn't mean the forum is pointless, I meant constant b-tching and complaining about women is. Just for the record, I did refer guys on other forums, and also in real life, to this site. I don't write extensive articles because I'd just be paraphrasing what's already in DJ Bible, The Book of Pook, Hall of Fame etc.

As far as constructive thinking is concerned (I'm deliberately not using the term "positive thinking" because people are interpret it as pollyannish positivity, which is false interpretation), the science of psychology recognizes for quite some time its healing power.

I don't know much about historical Don Juan, but I believe he genuinely loved women. Do you? It doesn't seem that way. It seems you have some deep-seeded anger and resentment toward them.

So what are you saying, the new ideology of sosuave.net is: guys, lie, manipulate and cheat women to get the sex?

 

[KontrollerX]

"KontrollerX, it's obvious I stepped on your toes when I labeled Fingz a legend"

Brah I could care less about your hero worship of that non entity Pook wannabe.

Where you stepped on my toes or rather everyone's toes here is by going on some Cindy Mccain on a half a bottle of percocets inspired type ramble about the forum now being pointless, the only posters mattering being the heroes you jacked off over and how the message is supposedly so bitter and negative here because the forum membership hasn't remained static with only your buddies posting forever and ever until the end of time.

Don't you see how insultive and assh0lish you were being?

Probably not but then much of the old guard here thats moved on to NLG would never be accused of being overly bright or anything resembling logical minded.

Anywho the same tiresome bullsh!t you spouted was spouted by the NextLevelLamers before they finally left for good to join the personality cult forum but you know what?

Not one of those people stopped b!tching about the problem they perceived while they were here and took the time and effort to make topics they would like to see.

They expected everyone else to deliver what they wanted on a silver platter but nothing in life is free and if you want something you've got to work for it which these simpletons were unwilling to do as they were too lazy.

And because the forum membership that was enjoying the current way the forum message was playing out didn't do what they wanted they cried and b!tched and cried and b!tched and called the current topics and forum negative/bitter/insert shaming b.s here blah blah blah.

The forum didn't actually become any of those things the next level lamers claimed rather they were just mad no one not even they themselves was willing to create some past arbitrary imagined golden age they envisioned of this place from long ago.

"so he left and started his own forum and now you have a hard-on for him."

No sir, YOU clearly are sporting wood over this loser.

Specifically since you obviously care to know he left because the current forum membership wouldn't grant him the Pook styled worship he felt he deserved in Pook's absence.

Instead practically everyone looked to Rollo Tomassi and Str8up for the new direction of the forum and your butt buddy was forgotten. How sad.

He then being all butthurt went and formed his personality cult of Next Level Lame with the few sycophants that decided to join him.

"I'd just be paraphrasing what's already in DJ Bible, The Book of Pook, Hall of Fame etc."

I respected Pook too but he plagiarized the hell out of the Bible, Nietchze, Shakespeare and just about any other famous person you can think of but everyone in this community Pook, myself EVERYONE included has ripped off Tom Leykis at some point or in some way. The only possible exceptions to this are real life pimps who may of got into teaching the seduction community as pimpin obviously was around long before even Tom Leykis.

Yeah though I thought you oldschoolers all tended to be big time Bible thumpers and where I'm going with this is the question...

You mean to tell me you've never read the biblical book of Ecclesiastes? There is a phrase in it that rings accurate even to an atheist like me and it says "there is nothing new under the sun" so again you can wax on about Pook or so and so being so original and thus everyone else carrying on this community then becomes pointless but the information was eons old even when Pook was handing it out so again your post was abso-fvcking-lutely irrelevant.

I read you right.

I then pointed out your post as irrelevant and you came back with some all too predictable shaming words and the token immaturity response.

Save irrelevant posts for the choir over at NLG.

"I don't know much about historical Don Juan, but I believe he genuinely loved women. Do you?"

The historical Don Juan was a fictional character and the character at times resorted to rape so yeah your point here fails again and your attempt at shaming is noted.

And no I don't love women (the ones outside my immediate family specifically), I love their bodies and their pvssies and thats it, I agree with Snoop Dogg and Too Short "we don't love these hoes" and thats me being honest and not some sympish AFC looking for an e-harmony type of love connection with his one.
I'm on this forum to help others and to keep my player game tight.

The real question you should be asking is do you like to fvck women and then I'd answer yes I do.

More evidence of the sympish relationship as goal mentality all you old guard people brought to this site and polluted its original intent with.

The site was only ever supposed to be about learning to get laid and guys helping eachother keep their mind right so as to stay sharp.

"So what are you saying, the new ideology of sosuave.net is: guys, lie, manipulate and cheat women to get the sex?"

No thats what YOU'RE saying because you like to shame people who don't live the way that you and your feminist masters approve of and yes they are your masters because you are doing their shaming work for them. You are another manipulated drone of the feminist movement.

Go do a google search for Next Level Game.net.

That or loveshack.org is where those of your ilk belong.

The new message of Sosuave is do whatever works for you out of the vast and varied advice you will find here.

If you can only stomache being a morality DJ be a morality DJ.

If you want more out of life and will do anything to get it be an immoral player DJ.

Do what you can handle and what works for you basically.

Being an AFC is a status that is only aquired for a man that cannot handle himself well around women so as to turn them on and get in their pants.

Its a status of a man that cannot be confident, cool, ****y, charming and funny. Its also aquired for guys that let women lead them around and guys who put up with bad behavior to avoid being alone.

It really has nothing to do with what kind of lifestyle you lead be it moral or immoral.

It once again has everything to do with your ability to turn women on and not let them gain control over you so as for them to take the reigns and become in charge of your life.

 

[STR8UP]

This is the kind of post that makes me want to leave SS because of the lame ass 10 post limit. One day I might post three posts, one day I might not post at all, but when a good topic comes up it's frustrating to no end to get cut off in the middle of a great discussion.

Wow. A lot of women feel the same towards men. That's why getting to know someone is so important to me. People do disguise their intentions. What do women disguise? For instance, it would seem that many men use the lure of a relationship to get a woman to sleep with him. (Of course if it works, that's 1:HIM, 0:Her). Although not very noble in my book...

First off, let me say that I appreciate your open minded approach to your responses. One of our best, actually THE best female poster will tell you that she did the same thing and learned a lot from this site because she didn't let stubborn preconceptions stand in the way of learning something new.

How old are you, btw? There just might be hope....

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I don't think there is a man here that refuses to acknowledge the "faults" of men, but this is after all a site for men about women.

I consider myself a realist. I don't look at most of the things that women do as being "evil". My big issue is the power trip women are on today that started with feminism gone wrong that has turned many of us (men AND women) off from the mating game as we know it.

Okay... but what do women lie about? Do you have a specific example, let's say, that is widespread and common knowledge amongst men? What social advantages do women gain from these lies?

The weaker sex by nature must be the more manipulative sex. Society is ALL about women....men just live in it. Women lie about all kinds of things. The worst one is the lie she tells HERSELF. Women are masters at avoiding blame and guilt, rationalizing behavior, and justifying actions.

Women are not very self aware and can easly delude themselves into honestly believing that, for example, they aren't actually "cheating" if they do not have full-on intercourse or that they didn't have sex with someone unless there was vaginal penetration by a penis. They don't count the times they took it through the back door to preserve their "virginity" or the time their best friend had one too many shots of Patron and proceeded to give her head for a half hour.

Actually, I hold the key to women's happiness. I could start coaching them tomorrow about why they continue to get bad results in the mating game and what they need to do about it, but the problem is, women think they are 100% right, 100% of the time. It couldn't be THEM causing their issues, it must be MEN. I would love to teach women this sort of stuff, but I would be met with scorn and ridicule. So sad.

You are right, "Greatness" is a vague term. What I mean by "Greatness" wasn't necessarily talking about gaining sex, although I understand that's *kind of* an important goal of most men here...

What I mean is to be someone you are proud to be. I may be wrong, but I can't see someone who lies and manipulates and uses other people, as having a high regard for themselves. I, personally, would much rather be with someone who knows and appreciates me for the person I am, not some sort of fantasy I made up.


A man saying that he is "proud of who he is" is nothing more than his own personal perception of how much society approves of him. It is another one of those "honor, duty, virtue" things that applies to men to CONTROL them.

When you hear these words, 9 times out of 10 they are associated with a man.

He is a man of honor and virtue.

It is your duty as a man to serve as a protector for women.

Almost everyone will acknowledge that "poor" behavior by men is often rewarded, yet we still pat the loser on the back for being "better than that".

I would rather be the Villian who wins than the Hero who gets a warm welcome from the crowd after having his balls cut off and stuffed in his shirt pocket.

I was more or less referring to the "Self-Fulfilling Prophecy". The idea that your mindset, however subconscious, affects the results you get. If you expect bad, you will get bad, and vice versa. I probably should have articulated that before-hand.

I don't buy any of that karmic "Secret" garbage. Positivity can be beneficial, but no amount of positivity is going to trump realism.

Or, are there "Man-Specific" jobs you think women should not be allowed to perform??

Actually, feminism is all about rights without obligations. Women want "equal" opportunities but do not want to share in equal obligations. This applies to work as well. Women are generally the ones to avoid the dirtiest, most dangerous jobs.

Men's opportunities though Affirmative Action? You realize that does not strictly aid women's equality, right??

Affirmative Action is essentially reverse discrimination targeted toward white men.

What can't you say and express (through 'political correctness')? What are you being shamed for??

A man can't speak a word of this stuff lest he be publicly shamed by women and girly-men alike.

I don't know about women disparaging everything masculine......

Masculine traits are seen as a blight on society. Have you been living in a cave?

thought that someone could make a baby and actually complain about feeding and clothing their child makes me ill.

The vast, VAST majority of men are not opposed to child support, they are opposed to what amounts to supplemental alimony.

I'm really getting the feeling I may be more naive than I thought about certain things... Are so many people, (men and women) actively lying, manipulating and taking advantage of each other?? I'd really like to think not, but I am truly being delusional in believing it? Is anyone out there actually honest? No wonder people gain a sense of pessimism and resentment for the opposite sex...

Congratulations. You are one of the few women who ever take the first steps to see past the matrix.

If you look beyond the pretty facade of society you will see something you would never have imagine existed. At our core we are all looking out for ourselves. That does not mean that cooperating with others is not beneficial, because it is actually in our best interests most of the time to work together. But at the end of the day it's dog eat dog, no matter how pretty of a bow you want to tie on it.

Thank you all for your patience! Hopefully understanding these things will put me at an advantage whenever I do find myself in a relationship again; I hope that results in a deeply satisfying partnership.

Yes it will. You are welcome.

 

[pLaYtHiNg]

:cuss: Post Limits!!!!! LOL! I had composed this great response... and then couldn't post it! Grr!

Standby for numerous edits while I quote and respond to everyone.

Anything that she thinks will keep her from snagging the "prize" (aka chump to pay for her shyt)- in other words anything that makes her look like she's not a "quality girl".

Age
Number of Sexual Partners she's had
Number of Sexual Partners she HAS
"Crazy" sexual things that a quality guy would disqualify her for a LTR/Marriage for
(orgies, threesomes, number of one night stands, girl on girl, etc)
Drug Use
Number of times she cheated

This REALLY helps. Now I have specific ideas on what you are referring to, and yes, I agree, I think a lot of women do lie about these things, trying to make themselves look better. In reality I believe it is just as important, (and for several reasons) that women and men be honest regarding these things, IF they are going into a relationship.

You must not be friends with alot of women then, the'yre a great example... (ooo burned!)

No, actually I'm not. Everytime I think I've made a good girl friend they find some reason to flake and bail out on me. I get along well with them, but seem unable to keep them as friends.

I agree with you- but you're missing the point (or maybe your dilberately misrepresenting it)-

Make no mistake... I am NOT trying to deliberately misrepresent anything.

1. No you weren't- you were clearly repeating your tactic of implying that the problem isn't women- but rather us as men.

I am not trying to saying women aren't the problem... just figuring out how they are, and how they contribute to relationship problems in general. I am trying not to come off as being defensive or anything while explaining my thoughts and ideas.

2. If you want to rely on "The Secret" to prove a point then please provide the proof of that its metaphysics is actually valid- and not a steaming pile of BS.

Self-Fulfilling Prophecy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

Men don't generally get pissed about support their child. They get pissed about being ordered to pay more then what is required to support the child and then see their babymoma/ex-wife using the extra to pay for a boob job/purses/shoes- whatever.

I hadn't known that a woman could use Child Support money for anything other than their children. That seems awfully selfish of the ones who do exactly that. I'm in shock!

There is no shortage of "nice guys" who are honest in our soceity. The difference is that the guys here are sick of being on the losing end.

Understood.

I just no longer allow my empathy and understanding to get in the way of MY selfish desires and needs.

Makes sense, and yes, we all have to look out for Number One, because no one else is going to.

I have to say I have mixed feeling about Plaything. Some of the things she says are stupid as hell (for example, "if women's behavior bothers you, turn gay" - it doesn't work like that and you know it). On the other hand, I agree with many things she says... Her message is basically: YOU HAVE A CHOICE. And it's the right message.

Okay, sorry about the joke if it offended anyone. I was just trying to lighten the mood a little.

...You know how depressed people are thinking depressing thoughts over and over which in turn makes them even more depressed? Well, constant b-tching and complaining about women's fickle ways works the same.

I agree. This kind of ties into the Self-Fulfilling Prophecy.

...we will do ourselves a big favor if we start to focus on constructive thoughts, beliefs and positive emotions. These things can be controlled, but it takes emotional & mental effort. But have you notice something? When you think negatively (about some woman, for example) for longer period of time, you feel exhausted. It drains you energy. So much better to use this energy to fight these negative thoughts.

Agreed, and wise advice for all to think about.

Look, we always have a choice. If a woman is lying and manipulating you, you can walk away anytime. You don't have to stick around.

Very true. It's not knowing when they are lying that is bothersome. You could conceivably be with someone for months or even years before discovering lies. It's unfortunate, because by that time, you are already emotionally attached to the person, be it man or woman. Yes, walking away is difficult, but the problem will not fix itself. I recently learned this lesson the hard way.

Don't play dumb. Women go after the best jobs. They get affirmative action hiring for government and corporate jobs. Jobs like police, fire, and others that they are the most qualified for. This preferential treatment starts in public school. Women are treated preferentially in college. They are taking over the medical field and turning it into a girl's network. A woman graduates in engineering and she gets first dibs on the best jobs. Women get all kinds of social and societal support to go into careers that they are not naturally qualified for and push men out of them.

First of all, I am not playing dumb. If you think I am then so be it, but I am here to learn, like anyone else.

As for the jobs women get... I really don't understand what is wrong with that? They get the schooling, education, and whatnot... and no matter HOW they did it, they are obviously qualified. Women need careers to support themselves and to contribute to household income, because one income just doesn't cut it anymore. I don't think working at McDonald's is going to cut it when you have children to raise, feed and school.

Everything male is construed as shauvanistic, creepy, predatory etc.

I, personally, don't buy this, but I cannot speak for others. If I were a man I wouldn't worry too much about what others think; I would be indifferent to their acceptance or lack of.

See this is your typical female solution to everything. Don't like how women are, go gay! Don't like that women get default child custody, don't have to prove paternity, don't like that it's a woman's sole decision to maintain a pregnancy, don't like that child support has no real cap, then don't have sex you dumb bastard!

Okay well the first part is a joke. Men can and do win custody battles, and paternity should be proven if you believe it's needed. As for it being a woman's sole decision to maintain pregnancy, well I can't help you there, pal. I'm not at all saying, "don't have sex" rather, have sex intelligently and be prepared for what may happen, because nothing is fool-proof in this world.

Well most women are so self-centered they are clueless of how men feel about the situation.

Most people are self-centered and interested in personal gain, that's only natural. Women may very well be clueless about how men feel, because men generally aren't open to talking about their 'feeling' and whatnot with women. Communication on both parts is vital to understanding one another. If you don't feel you are understood, perhaps making efforts to getting that understanding is in order. I don't think there is anything wrong with that at all.

Yeah I get it. It's all about how you can benefit from this information.

Uh, yeah, that IS why I am here, after all!

 

[search1ng]

What? emulate a sociopath to get women? you're joking right?

Fck Lying. Why should i have to resort to Lying to get what i want, when i can get it without having to resort to that crap. If you need to lie about an aspect of your life to make it sound better then it really is, perhaps it's a signal telling you to actually go do what it is you really want.

 

[pLaYtHiNg]

Ha Ha I wrote so much I had to start a new post.

This is the kind of post that makes me want to leave SS because of the lame ass 10 post limit. One day I might post three posts, one day I might not post at all, but when a good topic comes up it's frustrating to no end to get cut off in the middle of a great discussion.

For real! I had the same problem.

First off, let me say that I appreciate your open minded approach to your responses. One of our best, actually THE best female poster will tell you that she did the same thing and learned a lot from this site because she didn't let stubborn preconceptions stand in the way of learning something new.

How old are you, btw? There just might be hope....

Well I just try to be open-minded, and I'm working hard on not being judgmental. (Although I can't say I'm not at some times). My goal in being here is to learn, so that I have a better understanding of men and their perceptions of women, and the dynamic between the two within relationships.

I just turned 29.

The weaker sex by nature must be the more manipulative sex. Society is ALL about women....men just live in it. Women lie about all kinds of things. The worst one is the lie she tells HERSELF. Women are masters at avoiding blame and guilt, rationalizing behavior, and justifying actions.

Well, I can do nothing but agree with you here. It is true, what can I say? In my past relationships I HAVE been guilty of these things at some point and time.

Women are not very self aware and can easly delude themselves into honestly believing that, for example, they aren't actually "cheating" if they do not have full-on intercourse or that they didn't have sex with someone unless there was vaginal penetration by a penis.

This is something I can relate to... in my past relationships with men who also did these things and rationalized that is was not cheating, so I really feel for anyone in this position. It's frustrating!

I know of many women on the other end of the spectrum, who also consider something called 'emotional cheating' as cheating. It's a concept I am new to and it's difficult for me to articulate, but basically means, that if one is thinking about, spending time with, and otherwise interested in "Person B" while they have "Person A" at home, they may consider this to be a form of cheating, even though they may not be kissing, having sex with or touching "Person B".

Actually, I hold the key to women's happiness. I could start coaching them tomorrow about why they continue to get bad results in the mating game and what they need to do about it, but the problem is, women think they are 100% right, 100% of the time. It couldn't be THEM causing their issues, it must be MEN. I would love to teach women this sort of stuff, but I would be met with scorn and ridicule. So sad.

It is sad to think that a woman would forgo true understanding and ultimately happiness by acknowledging their own faults, (hey no one is perfect)! I, however, would be a willing student. I'm hooked!

A man saying that he is "proud of who he is" is nothing more than his own personal perception of how much society approves of him. It is another one of those "honor, duty, virtue" things that applies to men to CONTROL them.

When you hear these words, 9 times out of 10 they are associated with a man.

He is a man of honor and virtue.

It is your duty as a man to serve as a protector for women.

How do these terms control men? Do you mean that men feel obligated to live up to some kind of standard set by women? What kind of standards do men set for themselves? (Yes, I understand, it's different for everyone, but a general idea would be appreciated).

Actually, feminism is all about rights without obligations. Women want "equal" opportunities but do not want to share in equal obligations. This applies to work as well. Women are generally the ones to avoid the dirtiest, most dangerous jobs.

What do you mean by "equal obligations"? I am a little confused as to what this means.

Yes, most women DO avoid the dirtiest, most dangerous jobs, but I am proud to say that I have no problems doing my own oil changes and welding. I've tried to gain employment in these fields, and despite my education, have not been able to do so. So much for Affirmative Action!

A man can't speak a word of this stuff lest he be publicly shamed by women and girly-men alike.

People don't like what they don't understand. Perhaps if these ideas were talked about more openly there wouldn't be such a disdain. Then again, you can't change others' opinions and mindsets, only hope that they are open to the ideas.

Masculine traits are seen as a blight on society. Have you been living in a cave?

No, I haven't.

Congratulations. You are one of the few women who ever take the first steps to see past the matrix.

Well thanks?

At our core we are all looking out for ourselves.

We have to, no one else is going to. Others may have good intentions, but you have to put yourself first and foremost in this world. When I tell people that I get called "selfish", but here I have a feeling this idea is widely practiced. Now, lying as a method of getting your needs met? Well, that is and will always be debatable. I don't agree with it, but to each his own.

Thank you all for your attentive and detailed responses. I have just realized we got way off topic, and as much as I would love to continue these very interesting conversations, I, in no way, mean disrespect to the OP. :flowers:

 

[goodfoot]

This is a link to the Mature Man's forum with a link to an article in the first post to a pretty interesting read that has to do with this topic. I give you fair warning; it is a LONG article, but probably not as long a your posts

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=159826

 

[KontrollerX]

"I understand that's *kind of* an important goal of most men here..."

Sex and having a good time are what men want.

Thats what we are most pre-occupied with and despite the subtle shaming of the roll eye emoticon you posted I know you are here to learn Plaything so for your benefit I will inform you that our desire for sex and having a good time with you women is far more noble and in the tradition of what society would find to be "good behavior" from a moral perspective if they really thought about it from our perspective than the callous and absolutely ridiculous and pointless mean spirited social games you women all seek to play in your seeking of we men with us and with others.

So without further adieu...

What women want is a high status or high value male they can show off to their girlfriends and gain self esteem from being a part of that man's life.

Self esteem and the attention of "oh she's dating him oh look at her I wish I could be her" or "oh I can't believe he's dating that b!tch".

Both of those quotes I just made positive and negative alike I am intending to be the remarks of other women and the point is women don't care whether they are loved or hated by other women just that other women notice and are jealous of what they have.

Ultimately women seek relationships more than simply having fun or simply having the fun of sex as within relationships women get their social proof, their ego needs met, the attention bad and good of other women, a form of stability, someone to try and play head games with, maybe someone to either honestly or deceptively get to have a baby with, and on it goes.

In the end though as men that are players and even men that seek relationships our desire is simple happiness and joy through a lot of sex and a little bit of companionship while women's desire seems to be a series of ever increasing complex mazes where some of the mazes are understandable but others lead to highly callous highly fvcked up for both the man and the woman outcomes.

A wise man once said "simplest is always the best" and when it comes to we men that is what we are after.

The least complicated setup to provide us with the most immediate happiness and joy during our time and your time together with us.

 

[STR8UP]

That's a good question that isn't often addressed- what do men really want?

Women would have you believe that men only want "one thing".

It might seem that way, and it is certainly hard-wired into our genes to want to have a lot of sex, but I think I can speak for most men here when I say that we would really actually like to be able to get into a relationship with a good woman without having to worry about the myriad of things that create a hostile situation for us. And the more women try to push and push the more men back away. It's a vicious cycle that won't end until there are some pretty big changes made.

My goal in being here is to learn, so that I have a better understanding of men and their perceptions of women, and the dynamic between the two within relationships.

I just turned 29.

Not talking about you, but if women in general would shut up and pay attention to what men are trying to say, they would learn a LOT about how to do their part to make their relationships work.

The big problem I see is that women would rather complain about things than try to make them better. I suppose it is the nature of the beast to an extent, but when I try to have a discussion with most of them they either want to argue or tune you out.

It's frustrating listening to women repeat the same feminist myths over and over, and they never want to hear (or they pretend to listen but they don't accept it) the other sided of the story. One that comes to mind is the "Men just want a subservient woman who will wait on them hand and foot". They don't want to hear that what men REALLY want is a woman whose femininity turns them on, and a LOT of men would give five years of their life to find a woman who ENJOYS and EMBRACES a more traditional feminine role.

This is something I can relate to... in my past relationships with men who also did these things and rationalized that is was not cheating, so I really feel for anyone in this position. It's frustrating!

I know of many women on the other end of the spectrum, who also consider something called 'emotional cheating' as cheating. It's a concept I am new to and it's difficult for me to articulate, but basically means, that if one is thinking about, spending time with, and otherwise interested in "Person B" while they have "Person A" at home, they may consider this to be a form of cheating, even though they may not be kissing, having sex with or touching "Person B".

Men certainly lie about infidelity as much as women do, but women have a much greater capacity to filter information to allow them to act without guilt.

I consider any type of inappropriate relationship to be cheating. It doesn't have to involve physical contact.

The thing with a lot of women is that they will engage in many forms of inappropriate behavior, and if it doesn't involve a blatant sexual act, they see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

Newsflash ladies- the line is crossed WAAAAAY before any clothing comes off.

It is sad to think that a woman would forgo true understanding and ultimately happiness by acknowledging their own faults, (hey no one is perfect)! I, however, would be a willing student. I'm hooked!

I'm dead serious. I mean like heart attack serious. I would LOVE to share the male perspective with women who are willing to listen. Sadly, women tend to stick to a self-reinforcing support network of other women who are equally as clueless as to why things don't go their way. The blind leading the blind.

You know, I HAVE had a few women listen intently when we are discussing these sorts of things, but I have to wonder if most of them were only listening because they were attracted to me.

I might be tempted to hit up some of the women I know to see if there could possibly be a market for it. Women seem to be getting more and more frustrated every day. Eh....who am I kidding. I'm the first person to preach the idea that words bounce off of women like bullets bounce off Superman's chest

How do these terms control men? Do you mean that men feel obligated to live up to some kind of standard set by women? What kind of standards do men set for themselves? (Yes, I understand, it's different for everyone, but a general idea would be appreciated).

More accurately, it is society that sets the standards men feel obligated to live by (but guess which sex has the most control over society??)

Men are the disposable sex. Sacrificial lambs. The same masculine traits society vilifies when it comes to sex and relationships, it EXPECTS of men when it comes to providing women with protection. It's a cruel double standard which I personally refuse to accept.

What do you mean by "equal obligations"? I am a little confused as to what this means.

Yes, most women DO avoid the dirtiest, most dangerous jobs, but I am proud to say that I have no problems doing my own oil changes and welding. I've tried to gain employment in these fields, and despite my education, have not been able to do so. So much for Affirmative Action!

Feminism isn't about equality as feminists would like us to believe, it is about preferential treatment. Women want the benefits of equal opportunity, but they don't want the drawbacks. jobs are a great example of this. They want to have a preferential shot at desirable jobs not the less desirable ones.

People don't like what they don't understand. Perhaps if these ideas were talked about more openly there wouldn't be such a disdain. Then again, you can't change others' opinions and mindsets, only hope that they are open to the ideas.

I agree. But as others have already pointed out, you can't so much as utter a peep of critical thought directed at women without having to face a lynch mob of angry women and weak beta males.

Not exactly good for "talking openly" about things.

We have to, no one else is going to. Others may have good intentions, but you have to put yourself first and foremost in this world. When I tell people that I get called "selfish", but here I have a feeling this idea is widely practiced. Now, lying as a method of getting your needs met? Well, that is and will always be debatable. I don't agree with it, but to each his own.

Ah...you too have experienced shaming for speaking the truth!

People don't like to think of the unpleasant side of things. When you say "people are inherently selfish creatures", people will call YOU selfish. It is a fact that to most intelligent human being should be readily apparent, but acknowledging this would mean that people's illusions would be shattered. They really don't like that.

 

[EA Gold]

Never Write Posts In Pink.... Ever Again!!!

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Okay... but what do women lie about? Do you have a specific example, let's say, that is widespread and common knowledge amongst men? What social advantages do women gain from these lies?

"It's your baby"

When this is a lie, that's all you need to know about the woman. Think of the personal, social and psychological ramifications this lie has, not only for the man and the woman, but "their" child, families, friends, and every aspect of society that encounters this lie. Think of the overarching duration and impact this lie has. What lie can a man tell that's as equitable with this on as many levels? What lie can a man tell that has as permanent and as life damaging consequences for as many people? Only a woman can tell this lie.

 

[parrot84]

Plaything is a histrionic.

And here she is spouting crap about how she is such a pure good girl, how she is so thoughtful in her selection of men, how she makes a man wait before spreading her legs because of her purity of intent. LOL. Give me a break.

YAP.. She's a pure girl and is thoughtful in her selection of Bad Men! She MAKES a NICE GUY wait before never spreading her legs for a guy like that and crapping all over the poor guy!

THE NICE GUYS ARE THE GUYS THAT INFLATE HER EGO... THE GUYS SHE REJECTED AND MAKE HER FEEL SHE IS SELECTIVE! My histrionic was just like that! Fycking sick! sick! sick!

My advice is (as someone else posted earlier) never bother to deplete your energy trying to understand, or to change, or to punish this psychotic congnitive dynamics because YOU WILL FAIL. Make your goals depend ON NOTHING BUT YOUR ACTIONS!

 

[Da Realist]

I don't don't agree for several reasons. First, why are you taking direction about how to act from women? You're a man. You're supposed to be the thing they are missing, not something that they can see from one of their girlfriends. My other gripe is that what makes a man a man is his integrity. You're going to be resolute about what you stand for and will make no excuse about who and what you are. Best yet, that integrity gives you substance. My last reason is that no woman should be good enough to make the effort to lie to her while you're dating her. If she can't deal with you if you're not doing anything wrong or afc-ish, she's got the problem, not you.

 

[captain underpants]

Why the f&$# is this hypocritical b#tch on our forums spouting her nonsense i think it would be wise for everyone if we just ignored female posters and didnt respond to them its a waste of time. I urge everyone to stop discussing and replying to her and start thinking about the topic/op.

I think that i am slowly becoming a sociopath recently and i think that it does help me in life but it also makes it hard to love other people and feel relationships it would be a good idea to take some of there qualities but please dont try to become a sociopath

 

[Aenigma]

I urge everyone to stop discussing and replying to her and start thinking about the topic/op.

I second that. This forum is for helping men- not "explaining" things to lying manipulative attention whoe women who know very well what women are like and what they do.

I think that i am slowly becoming a sociopath recently and i think that it does help me in life but it also makes it hard to love other people and feel relationships it would be a good idea to take some of there qualities but please dont try to become a sociopath

I'm not suggesting that you completely shut down your emotions and become completely machivellian in all aspects of your life. If you have good friends and a good family then by all means embrace it and give them the love and respect that they give you and deserve. Deal with business associates and coworkers on an honest, friendly, and ethical level. Basic Golden Rule. They give you the respect you deserve so you return the respect, honesty, and friendliness they give you.

Most American women are a different story though. They are, on an ethical and moral level, complete trash.


Trash is worthless
Trash does not deserve truth
Trash does not deserve straight forwardness
Trash does not deserve respect
Trash is common and easily replaced
Trash is a tissue that you ejacualte into then throw in the garbage
Trash will poison and hurt you if you consume it (let it affect your emotions/you don't protect your heart)


No doubt some of you think that saying this is harsh and cruel.

Justice is harsh and cruel sometimes.

Everything I've just said is about flipping the coin of Justice- by being lying, manpulative, deceptive cheaters women have decided that they deserve the same thing for themselves.


As you Sow- thus shall you Reap.
The Golden Rule Rules.

 

[Nutz]

I say yes. American women act in their own best interest- they lie, cheat, steal, and manipulate heartlessly and do so following their emotional whims. They have no ethics to speak of- they are completely amoral. I say that what's good for the goose is good for the gander- we have every right to do the same to get OUR NEEDS met.

I fully agree that women do this, but what you have to understand is that it's how they're raised in Western culture and I hope it's not a deliberate thing. I think we already beat this horse to death in this thread:


http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1541755&postcount=62

 

[Nutz]

The average american woman is a joke. To quote Diseal 95% of them are worthless for anything other then ****ing. The sad part is that 4.99% of the remaining 5 are either taken, fat, stupid or ugly.

LOL. How's that saying go? Women are:

Hot
Crazy
Taken

Pick 2


Something like that anyway.

 

[KontrollerX]

Yes, yes! You're right! Why didn't I see this before we should copy maniacs!

I can see it now, fvck Don Juan! I want a total forum revamp. www.sosociapathic.net, I'm thinking Ted Bundy Discussion. Maybe an Ed Gein Forum to replace the Mature Man section, erm, Eric Harris Forum to replace the high school forum maybe. Sounds good no?

Lol though, to be fair, Ted Bundy was pretty smooth. A sick ****, but a smooth sick ****

Heh heh I don't think Aenigma is suggesting we start cannabilizing people or committing ritualistic murder like the Dexter character or the real life socios but rather simply work at emulating the aspects of sociopaths that are so irresistable to people on a social level.

So yes emulate all the charm of Ted Bundy, Dexter et all but don't go around cutting off people's heads and sh!t. :crackup:

Aenigma's topic is like what we say about all the advice here.

Take what is useful for your life and discard the rest.

So yeah re-written this is basically a topic encouraging the useful traits of charm and deception to attain your goal.

The only thing that makes the topic seem spooky or wrong is the word "sociopath".

Its just a word.

Again what Aenigma is getting at is charm and deceit can be useful in the game and he's absolutely right.

 

[intrextrovert]

If you need to lie to get ***** then i think something is wrong.

Like if you're new and using a canned opener that probably hasn't happened to you to break the ice that's ok, but seriously devieving a girl? Why?